Talk:Wrexham A.F.C.

Simon Lenard-Jones
Have removed Simon Lenard-Jones from the squad, as a Wrexham fan I've never heard of him and can't find any other evidence of him on the net - please re-add with some evidence if anyone knows who he is. Jaded1 12:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

BIASED AND OPIONATED
THIS MUST BE THE MOST BIASED AND OPIONATED ARTICLE ON WIKI!!" WREXHAM HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION AS GIANT KILLERS". yEAH, EVERYWHERE I GO AROUND THE WORLD ALL PEOPLE ASK IS ABOUT WREXHAM!!! Please someone sort this page out, its about a tiny, unimportant little none league team, not manhester united. FFS!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.249.185 (talk) 09:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

A note on British English
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Proposal to Move
As found in the Companies House website and mentioned in the article itself:

Wrexham Football Club (2006) Ltd is the name of the 'phoenix' company that took over the assets of the old Wrexham Association Football Club Limited so technically the club is no longer known as Wrexham AFC

Should this article be moved to Wrexham FC? Marbles 21:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've just removed that sentence from the article, as I think it is based on a misunderstanding of company law. Yes, the holding company is WFC (2006) Ltd, but it is "trading as" Wrexham AFC.  What really matters is what name it uses on the badge etc.  The website is still WrexhamAFC.  Wikipedia has to follow, not lead. --Concrete Cowboy 00:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the club badge on the kit the A has been removed!

Want to put it back now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.226.171.50 (talk • contribs)

Hmm, and the official website now calls the team Wrexham FC. Born Acorn 17:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It is Wrexham FC i would leave it how it is now please. Hello wrexham peeps by the way. Delighted eyes 04:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Date of foundation
Contemporary Wrexham Advertiser articles reports foundation of the club as 1864. Reports of the first match as taking place on 22nd October of that year (Wrexham advertiser 8/10/1864, 21/10/1864, 29/10/1864). My (referenced) edits were reverted but see the Trust AGM documents for further evidence of continuity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.92.107 (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Since 2012 it has been claimed that Wrexham were the 3rd oldest professional association football club behind Notts County and Stoke City, being formed in 1864. In 2019 upon the relegation of Notts County; Notts Forest(1865) challenged Stoke City as the oldest club in the EFL and succeeded when it was evidenced that Stoke were in fact formed in 1868. This was acknowledged by the FA but this doesn't mean to any form of logic that you can just substitute Notts Forrest as the second oldest pro club when it was formed a year LATER than Wrexham.

If Wrexham wish to keep acknowledging Stoke's claim that's their prerogative perhaps but under no circumstances are Nottingham Forest older than Wrexham! And having this format list an 1865 club as older than an 1864 club is evidence of how poor a source it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:A080:4E01:AC4D:DF39:C072:3472 (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The state of this page.
I've just taken a look at this page for the first time in many months, and have to say that I am absolutely horrified with the absolute shambles this article has become. It has obviously become a plaything for a few anonymous editors who have been putting any old rubbish in here, and the continual edits and reverts have left crap all over the place - "Grove Park School for disabled children" in the early history of the club??? I am immediately semi-protecting this article to keep the vandals out - if you want to edit it, get yourself a registered account and wait 4 days. I'm also going to revert the article to the 12th October version which at least seems to be relatively problem-free - sorry if some genuine edits get reverted, but good-faith editors can always put those back. -- Arwel Parry (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Notable Former Players criteria
Hi, I would like to propose that the inclusion criteria be: Played a substantial number of games for Wrexham OR attained international caps.Pwimageglow (talk) 18:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Craig?!
Can anybody cite a reliable source on 007 actor Daniel Craig's support for Wrexham AFC? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.5.250.131 (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

No he was born in Chester and supports Liverpool. He grew up in Holylake and went to a few Chesse city games as a kid. Keegan10 (talk) 18:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Erroneous wikilink?
In the history section (1872 - 1905) a reference is being made to the Football Combination league, which Wrexham joined in 1890. However, the wikilink points to an article about a league that wasn't started until 1915 and says that it shouldn't be confused with something else.

Maybe I'm just a stupid dutchman who knows nothing about English/Welsh football, but shouldn't the link point to The_Combination rather than Football_Combination? Skysmurf (talk) 21:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay people, it's been almost a week and nobody either made the edit or told me I'm wrong. I'm starting to feel more and more inclined to go ahead and make the edit, so if you're sure that I'm wrong please tell me. Skysmurf (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Wrexham FC history
I think it's too long for the main page and a new page would be suitable - "History of Wrexham AFC" - for example. Pretty much every club has an additional page for their history as there's a lot of text.

Would anyone be able to move the history to a new page and copy the text/pictures/references over? I would be happy to then update the new page as there's quite a bit missing. For example, we have more text on the current season then we do for 1960-70!

AndrewRichardJones (talk) 19:25, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

The history is VERY confusing. Where do all the moves fit into the English system? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system Of course, that is pretty confusing itself. 74.127.200.37 (talk) 18:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

First sentence in the Rivalries section is incorrect....
Wrexham has a fierce rivalry with Chester,[64][65] the clubs are just 12 miles apart, but are English and Welsh respectively

This is the text in the article but it is not correct, the clubs are surely 'Welsh and English respectively' and not the other way round ????/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.158.205.231 (talk) 12:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 14 June 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by a page mover).  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   06:52, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Wrexham F.C. → Wrexham A.F.C. – Club renamed, as per infobox on the page itself – Owain (talk) 20:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Philg88 ♦talk 04:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Club renamed, as per infobox on the page itself – Owain (talk) 20:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note the existence of Category:Wrexham F.C.. That would need to be moved as well for consistency. Also note that the redirect deliberately has 2 revisions to prevent the move. I think this needs to go through a proper RM. (moved by me) — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 22:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC) You can probably take this to an RM. Also, note Special:Diff/713083725 and Special:Diff/713084168 — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 22:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support The club has renamed itself, why this could not have been an uncontroversial technical request is beyond me. Number   5  7  12:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The second revision on the redirect was intentional against this, but thanks, the move makes sense now. The discussion closer should be aware of that, for consistency, the move probably consists of ~20-25 pages, which looks like a good deal of cleanup afterwards as well. See Category:Wrexham F.C.. Unless it's deemed the categories can stay put. If they move, the pages using the categories need updating, which looks like a bot or AWB task — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 01:27, 18 June 2016 (UTC) 07:27, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: The club's website and badge are all using A.F.C. which supports the move. Kosack (talk) 07:32, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per Kosack - The badge, website and even the football shirts have been updated so no reason not to move it. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:31, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support, under WP:IAR and WP:SNOW, but I point out that under WP:AT no case has been made above, see WP:official names. Andrewa (talk) 21:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


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Older Football Clubs in Other Codes
The article claims that Wrexham is the 3rd oldest football club in the world but this is objectively wrong.

Sheffield Football Club was founded in 1857. Melbourne Football Club was founded in 1859 and Geelong Football Club was founded later that same year. All those 3 football clubs still exist.

Wrexham was founded in 1864. Therefore, Wrexham can't be the 3rd oldest football club in the world. However, Melbourne and Geelong play Aussie Rules.

Does the article mean that Wrexham is the 3rd oldest soccer club in the world? If so, then this should be clarified in the article.

1.127.110.246 (talk)

Wales is the third oldest professional team. WelshOfWallStreet (talk) 00:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @WelshOfWallStreet, Wales? (you sure?) This is about Wrexham. :D Wrexham A.F.C. is the third oldest association football team still in existence. The lead used to say just "football" which means different things internationally, so corrected to "association football" (happily not "soccer") after this IP comment. The issue is resolved I guess.  Dank Jae  11:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

W2W
Should Welcome to Wrekham have it own page. 92.236.253.249 (talk) 14:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I support Welcome to Wre x ham having its own page, I have started a draft here, as of this comment it is in the very early draft stage.  Dank Jae  17:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Ownership details in infobox
I don’t know if this is just quibbling, but I’m not sure if “RR McReynolds Company, LLC” should be listed as the owners as it’s not a registered company in the UK (no entry on Companies House). It was in fact registered in Delaware in October 2020 and has a branch registered in California in September 2021. Thoughts? — Arwel Parry (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Is there a guideline against foreign companies in football club infoboxes? Arsenal F.C. and Leicester City F.C. do have foreign owners in their infoboxes? I believe it is important that readers can easily see the ownership of a club (especially with the coverage around it), regardless if the owner is British or not. But be free to explain further, confused at what the issue is, do UK football clubs only list the owner if they're British-owned? Thanks  Dank Jae  19:28, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is information about the ownership of Wrexham AFC on their own site (See here), it says "Wrexham AFC Limited is wholly owned by Wrexham Holdings LLC. The R.R. McReynolds Company, LLC, a company formed pursuant to the Delaware Limited Liability Company Act in the USA own 95% of the shares in Wrexham Holdings LLC. The R.R. McReynolds Company, LLC is owned equally by Rob McElhenney & Ryan Reynolds and as such, they are jointly the ultimate beneficial owners of 95% in Wrexham AFC Limited." YborCityJohn (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Think the logo needs updating
Think an SVG version of the club logo should be added if possible. Joseph1891 (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Wasn't able to find a SVG one when I looked a few months ago. If found, be free to replace the image and with the non-free rationale. A SVG replacement would improve the article.  Dank Jae  17:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I can get .SVG images it's just that it says 1973 instead of 1964 WelshOfWallStreet (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @WelshOfWallStreet, noticed you overwritten the non-free file with a smaller version. I only see a minor colour change, is there any chance for a version in a resolution similar to the previous image? Thanks  Dank Jae  11:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

It makes it look atleast visible now nothing really changed WelshOfWallStreet (talk) 15:37, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

No point of changing the logo if it’s not replaced with an SVG version. Don’t really see a difference from the new one to what it look liked before? Joseph1891 (talk) 10:33, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The replacement is more blurry and smaller, but I guess colour wise more accurate. The green and red is slightly lighter (older version to be deleted on Dec 23). Would prefer SVG, but seems to not be available for the current logo with 1864.  Dank Jae  19:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * https://freebiesupply.com/logos/wrexham-afc-logo/ Joseph1891 (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That has 1873 rather than 1864, so the old logo pre-2012. It also looks stylistically different (may be a user mock-up?), in particular the dragons. It would be best for one from official Wrexham A.F.C. documents. Thanks though.  Dank Jae  22:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see, sorry about that Joseph1891 (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Usage of "relegated"
In the left, it says that at some time in the past the club was "relegated." This may be a term of art in the UK to mean "reduced to some understood lower status," but as a U.S. reader, I'm left saying "relegated to WHAT?" Edison (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In the pyramid of British football certain numbers of teams drop each year from one league to the next one down; this is relegation. Some equal number, of course, go from the lower to the higher; this is promotion, which Wrexham has just achieved with this weekend's game result.  Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 16:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * While I am open to it being more clear, if "relegated" follows a statement such as "fourth tier", then assume it means to the fifth tier.  Dank Jae  17:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Because of how the English football pyramid works, there is only one place a relegated professional team can go—-that is the league below. It is therefore self evident, unless you are talking about relegation to regional leagues in which case there may even be a choice of which league the club enters. Regional divisons and leagues begin below the top tier of the National League from which Wrexham have just gained promotion from. SteadyJames (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed new article - List of Wrexham A.F.C. records and statistics
With this article at over 160kB, I believe this article would qualify for WP:SIZESPLIT as it seems quite bloated currently. I was considering splitting sections from this article such as: Player of the Year, Young Player of the Year, Steve Edwards Goal of the Season Award, Top scorers and PFA Team of the Year onto a new page - List of Wrexham A.F.C. records and statistics. I would also add honours and European records etc in line with other existing pages such as: List of Port Vale F.C. records and statistics. What are people's thoughts on this? Michaeldble (talk) 15:55, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Actual legal name of the owning company
In the part of the article documenting the goings-on in the early years of this century, there’s a bit: “''Had the club still been in Administration by 3 June (2007) then Wrexham would have automatically been expelled from the League because of their financial situation. Wrexham Football Club (2006) Ltd is the name of the "phoenix" company that took over the assets of the old Wrexham Association Football Club Limited – technically, the club is no longer known as Wrexham Association Football Club due to the takeover of the club by Neville Dickens and Geoff Moss and their associates; this is reflected on new merchandise, although most fans will still refer to it as "Wrexham AFC".''” This is not actually a full description of what happened, but the tangled web of administration and suchlike is complex, as I discovered while poking around on Companies House:
 * — the original limited company was company number 124022, Wrexham Association Football Club Limited (The), incorporated on 29 August 1912, in administration between 3 December 2004 and 29 May 2007, still showing as active on Companies House, though with accounts overdue since 2005! This is the company Gutterman and Hamilton were directors of.
 * — Company number 5800501, Wrexham Football Club (2006) Ltd, incorporated 28 April 2006, dissolved on 10 March 2015. This is the company Neville Dickens was a director of 2006-2008.
 * — there’s also company number 7638718, Wrexham Football Club Limited, incorporated 18 May 2011 and dissolved on 8 January 2013, Jonathan Elwyn Harris was the only director, and the company was dissolved by compulsory strike-off, implying that it never filed any accounts with Companies House.
 * — Company number 7698872, Wrexham AFC Limited, incorporated 8 July 2011 - this is the company Ryan and Rob bought, which they and Humphrey Ker are the current directors of.
 * — there’s also company number 6931786 Wrexham AFC Community Trust (until 2 November 2021, The Racecourse Community Foundation), incorporated 11 June 2009, a “Private Limited Company by guarantee without share capital use of ‘Limited’ exemption”, Humphrey Ker is one of 5 remaining directors of this company. They filed an annual report and accounts with Companies House earlier this year which makes interesting reading, documenting their charitable work promoting football in North Wales.

— Arwel Parry (talk) 15:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

2024 Promotion to League One
Stockport and Wrexham were auto-promoted hours ago and their article references that. So should this. https://theathletic.com/5412493/2024/04/13/wrexham-promoted-league-one/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1F:8702:F501:FC2B:1B88:346A:1538 (talk) 20:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The season has to end first.  Dank Jae  21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Added that they're promoted. Was meaning to say we cannot state they're in One until the season ends, remembering very eager edits last time. Hopefully my addition can be expanded.  Dank Jae  21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * They will be a League One team as of the final whistle on 19 May 2024, as that is when the play-offs end. Right? Unless the Championship Play-Off Final 7 days later is the cut off date. The article will have to stay semi-locked till then.
 * https://www.efl.com/news/2023/may/efl-key-dates-announced-ahead-of-202324-season/ 2A00:1F:8702:F501:91:D648:7D2F:6A2D (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Welp, we've officially reached the end of the season with Crawley Town F.C. winning the championship and being promoted to League One, so for the Wrexham AFC article can someone please NOW change the league in the InfoBox from League Two to League One, I cannot figure out how to do it. YborCityJohn (talk) 00:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It uses English football updater so dependent on who updates that, under what timeframe.  Dank Jae  15:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. YborCityJohn (talk) YborCityJohn (talk) 17:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As stated above, it will be updated once all leagues are complete (i.e. after the Championship play-off final). Updating it before then would lead to inconsistencies where clubs were stated to be in leagues that were ongoing. Cheers, Number   5  7  20:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Malayalam Translation of the page (Help Needed)
Hi I created a Malayalam translation of this page. But the automatic translation of the name 'Wrexham' wasn't right in Malayalam, so I edited it. But I think because of that, it didn't get linked to the original article.

Forgetting I did the same exercise six months ago, I did it again (Because when I looked for the malayalam version of the page, I couldn't find one, sorry.) ￼

But what I did is, I made both pages exactly the same.

So, if anyone could, please choose one page, link it to the original and delete the other one.

Linking both here (They are exactly the same):

റെക്സം എ.എഫ്.സി - വിക്കിപീഡിയ (wikipedia.org)

റെക്സം എ. എഫ്. സി. - വിക്കിപീഡിയ (wikipedia.org) Libinthathappilly (talk) 11:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Libinthathappilly, bit confused by what you're after. But if you're questioning why under "languages" Malayalam doesn't appear, you need to edit the Wikidata item and add the title of the (correct, by your definition) Malayalam version there (near the bottom in the "Wikipedia" list of language versions, I assume with language code ).
 * The concern of deleting the article has to be raised on Malayalam Wikipedia not here on English Wikipedia, although you appear to be the sole author of both versions so you could (assuming a similar policy to here) redirect the one with the incorrect title, to the correct one. Otherwise follow Malayalam Wikipedia's policy concerning deletion, moving or redirecting.
 * Nonetheless, thanks!  Dank Jae  19:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)