Talk:XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps

The Cossack Corps was never part of the Waffen-S.S.

The article is full of incorrect statements. The Cossacks were up to the surrender part of the Wehrmacht. It should read: "By the end of the war, the S.S. attemted to gain control of the Cossack Division and transfer the Cossacks under their structure. Despite the refusal of General Helmuth von Pannwith to enter the S.S. together with his division (from beginning 1945 enlarged to the XVth Cossack Cavalery Corps) the Corps was placed under SS administration in terms of replacements and supplies without actually making the Cossack units a part of the Waffen S.S." The Himmler file in the Imperial War Museum contains a record of a conversation which occured on August 26, 1944, between Himmler and General von Pannwitz and his Chief of Staff, Colonel H.-J. von Schultz. An agreement was reached that the Cossack Division, soon to be the Cossack Corps, was only placed under S-S. administration in terms of replacements and supplies. Document H/22/41, Imperial War Museum, p.2.Bargen 11:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

The Cossack Corps has never been in Albania! Bargen 11:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * the Corps was placed under SS administration in terms of — so the corps was part of SS, it does not matter, in what capacity and with what functions. You can make additonal arguments as to its allegiance to the SS, but its belonging to that formation is unquestionable and is supported by multiple sources. I understand XVth SS Cossack Cavalry Corps was the original title of the article, until someone moved it without discussion and trying to get concensus of the editors. I am moving it back. If there are arguments against the original title, they should be presented first, and concensus should be sought before unilateral move of the page. --Hillock65 15:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If the Corps would have been part of the Waffen SS, wouldn't it been commandeered by Waffen SS officers? Since when were von Pannwitz and his German officers part of the Waffen SS? And why would logistical support by the Waffen SS make a unit a Waffen SS formation? - Clearly the current title with the "SS" label creates problems and its historical accuracy is debatable. Did the corps call itself a Waffen SS unit in its own documents? The Waffen SS issue needs to be discussed in the article but left out of the title as wikipedia should not make decisions regarding questions that should be answered by historians. Ekem (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The corps became part of the Waffen-SS February 1, 1945 at the latest. Nethertheless, cossacks retained their unit characteristics and its commanding officer. Why change a working system? What's the big deal anyway, most foreign units were transferred to the Waffen-SS towards the end of WWII? --KomBrig (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The title is not in conformity with the historical truth
To Hillock65: What makes you so sure that the belonging to the Waffen-SS is unquestionable when all serious historians are questioning this and even the still existing record of the agreement reached between Himmler and General von Pannwitz is stating that the 15th C.C.C. was only placed administration wise for logistic reasons under the Waffen-SS. Even the article explains that the Corps was not part of the Waffen-SS. By the way there is a great difference between the Waffen-SS and the political SS. But the title is wrong and mispresenting the facts. The SS has to be deleted from the title as it is not in conformity with the historical truth.Bargen 18:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Basic grammar
"XVth SS Cossack Cavalry Corps" makes no sense as name. It should be either "15th SS Cossack Cavalry Corps" or "XV SS Cossack Cavalry Corps" as we don't write "Elisabeth IInd". --Dia^ (talk) 18:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * German corps use Roman numbers. So it's 1. Division but I. Corps. Nothing to do with English grammar. --KomBrig (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fortunately someone else agreed with me and corrected the article. :0) --Dia^ (talk) 01:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong illustration!
The painting by Ilja Repin, showing ukrainian Zaporoh Cossacks, and hetman Ivan Sirko writing a letter to the turkish sultan, relly has nothing to do with russian cossacks fighting with the nazis -- 200 years later in hiastory. So please delet it and use someting more appropriate. 79.136.120.65 (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems to me that the painting is part of the info-box on cossacks rather than the article. --Dodo19 (talk) 06:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Use of Roman numerals
The use of Roman numerals is standard for German corps in WWII, as far as I am aware all German corps articles use roman numerals. It is also the usage most commonly seen for this corps. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:31, 8 November 2017 (UTC)