Talk:Xbox 360/Archive 12

Xbox 360 Pro
for the types of xbox 360s shouldnt the premium be replaced with pro bundle? or better i suggest instead of just putting "premium", change it to "Pro/Premium"

Xbox 360 table core information
uh shouldnt the controller for the core system be at the least "partial" due to the fact that it is not wireless unlike the other versions of the 360? just asking —Preceding unsigned comment added by Storms15 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Right..... all controlers are wierless. unless you count charging, but thats a little overboard(220.236.187.71 (talk) 04:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC))

well now they are, before they had breakaway on the core. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.66.110 (talk) 16:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

what do you mean i got a early console and it had wierless controlers. it not changed eather —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.189.93 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record, the 360 Core did originally come with a wired controller (see here for proof); though I'm not sure if that was changed just before it was discontinued. Thingg (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 user category nominated for deletion
Since the nominator wasn't kind enough to notify anyone here,

Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 17:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

cheers. xenocidic (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The SRP in the UK is now 259.99 for the Elite, £199.99 for the Premium and £159.99 for the Arcade, so it needs to be changed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.241.164 (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoever Erased my Hexic HD edit is stupid
you have Wii sports as 18 million and thats a pack in, Hexic HD is a pack in with any 360 with a HDD, so yes, it has sold as much —Preceding unsigned comment added by PseudoKirby (talk • contribs) 08:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * However, Wii Sports is sold in Japan as a standalone game. Hexic HD is a free game, otherwise we would have Minesweeper as the best selling game ever created. Also, Microsoft did not sell 17.7 million of premium or elite packs, they have sold a good amount of core as well, so that Hexic number is wrong. Finally, we don't consider downloadable games in the best-selling lists. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 08:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Your edit also replaced a reference tag name with soemthing else that caused a cite error on the page. I don't know if you intended to or not, but it appeared to be vandalism and was reverted. And ditto to what ReyBrujo said. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 10:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you can provide a reliable source for the number of copies Hexic HD has sold on Xbox 360 then nobody will question your edit. --Decompiled (talk) 15:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hexic HD is also a purchasable game for those that bought the core

and wii sports could have been a Downloadable game, its simple enough, Nintendo just slapped together something and its crap, but that SHOULD NOT MATTER, its a game, its a pack in, the number of premiums should also reflect the number of copes Hexic has sold PseudoKirby (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Could have, but isn't. Please read No original research whenever you have time. We cannot assume, we need references. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Japan gets 360 arcade sku
The arcade sku is getting released in japan at the same time sony are releasing the "silver satin" PS3. I dont have links as i've only just remembered seeing this - will add it at a later date if no one beats me to it.--DJ Smiley (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Game history
No other consoles have there game history on the main page (of that console), only on other PAGES --JayTur1 (Contribs) 19:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The game libary should be removed. --JayTur1 (Contribs) 17:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:POINT?  N i m i T i z e 02:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? The problem with that game library is that it is not limited in time. As more games are released, more games will be added, making the section even larger. If it were the launching games, it would be different. As it is, I am afraid more and more games will be added (especially those with many fans). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 02:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned peer review
There is an orphaned peer review that is not listed in the article milestones, see Peer review/Xbox 360/archive4 (November 2006 apparently). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 has sold 18 Million
John Schappert: I think that we've sold 18 million, the last time I've checked. 18 million hardware units worldwide.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=93248 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=33415 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.97.83 (talk) 18:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

http://kotaku.com/359527/18-million-360s-sold-worldwide --Elven6 (talk) 22:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Um. No the Xbox 360 only sold 17 million so far. I know Wikipedia would update the Xbox 360 is that was true. Kylee20051 (talk) 01:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * He thinks they've sold that much. Based on the citatable sources, he's not far wrong, but his guess isn't suitable for updating our numbers. Sockatume (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Schappert is a reliable source, he works at Microsoft, has access to the numbers, and more important, he can speak in the name of Microsoft. Therefore, even though he may be doubtful, the number is valid. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Err, no. "I think that we've sold X" clearly isn't a reliable figure, it's a guess, regardless of who's making it. I'd take "definitely 17m" over "probably 18m" any day of the week, for all the difference it makes to the number itself. Sockatume (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If it is said by a blogger, it is not. It is said by a Microsoft representant in an interview, it is good enough. We don't require truth, we only require verifiability, and we can verify he said 18 million. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 10:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The man *works* for Microsoft. And, he checked.  The last time he did, they had sold 18M.  There is no better sopurce, or no more clear language.  I Disagree with Sockatume.  As for "kylee20051", he clearly doesnt know how Wikipedia works.


 * The sales figure most certainly should change to be 18M. In fact, it should be "over 18M" because the 18M mark had been reached "last time he checked".


 * What we see here is an example of what is the problem with this article. Known, verifiable, reliable information is being mixed in with POV and opinion.  Langauge should be used to show what is GOOD information and what is POV and OPINION.


 * Examples include the speculation on failure-rates and their causes. What MSFT says and what urban-web-legends say should be clearly identified.


 * Wageslave (talk) 20:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's another articel saying that xbox sold 18 million: It's german but from de.msn.com:

http://tech.de.msn.com/spiele/spielenews_artikel.aspx?cp-documentid=7769963 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.62.247.54 (talk) 14:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Divx Support
I think that this should be added to the Multimedia chapter in this article. Please visit this site as reference:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/xbox-360-divx%5Cxvid-test/xbox-360-divxxvid-playback-tested-verdict-its-almost-perfect-329769.php

By the the way. I try this and works perfectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Augusto.cabrera (talk • contribs) 20:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. But don't forget to add in the fact that it's not flawless. One problem will pop up sooner or later. Farslayer (talk) 12:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I've watched several full legnth movies that were DIVX encoded AVIs (That I totally got from legitamate soures) that didn't have any playback problems. --8bitJake (talk) 02:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

HD-DVD drive
This paragraph:

On February 22, 2008, Toshiba announced that it will discontinue manufacturing HD DVD equipment, which affects the Xbox 360, as it supports HD DVD format. According to Toshiba, this will help settle the war between HD DVD and Blu Ray formats. On February 26, 2008, the price of the HD DVD player for the Xbox 360 dropped from $129.99 to $49.99. This comes just two days after Microsoft confirmed that they would no longer produce the HD DVD player.

References:

Makes claims unsupported by the links, and does not reflect reality. It should be changed and a NPOV restored.

Wageslave (talk) 18:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have removed the paragraph completely for the following reasons: its an accessory not hardware, its mentioned below and it, as you said, is quite innacurate Chocobogamer (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sales
"However, despite these sales figures, Microsoft's gaming division is losing money. Through 2005, the Xbox gaming division had lost over $4 billion.[86] However, Microsoft expects the console will start making money in 2008.[87] The losses are due to the market strategy of selling consoles below cost in order to obtain market saturation and gain profits on software and peripherals that have a much higher profit margin.[88][89] Also notable is that Microsoft has taken a charge of $1 billion dollars on its June 2007 Income Statement to account for the cost of replacing bricked Xbox 360s.[90]" (this is from the sales part of the article)

Definite hint of bias. Terms like "bricked" should be avoided as readers may not understand this terminology. Present tense should be eliminated as it detracts from credibility. Final sentence seems to be defending lackluster earnings, either remove sentence or remove sense of protecting the corporation. Should either be removed or edited to remove bias and subpar encyclopedic writing. Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.10.3 (talk) 21:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Brick is a word to define the term, if the system is broken or disposed.  N i m i  T i  z e 21:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't read like it has an obvious bias. It is an explanation of what exactly is going on. Selling consoles below cost is a valid market strategy that even Sony uses with it's PS2 and PS3. As for the usage of bricked, I'll have a look into whether it needs clarification or a reference, although I think generally anyone will know bricked means busted. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 10:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Bricked has an entry in wikipedia (as you can see), its a common term. Mahjongg (talk) 13:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Machines with heat failure are not "bricked". That should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wageslave (talk • contribs) 20:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The term "Bricked" ususally denotes a software or BIOS problem. While the RROD is a hardware failure such as fried memory or a melted CPU joint. --8bitJake (talk) 04:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Is this information still correct? The latest earnings report from Microsoft reported a nice profit from their entertainment division which includes the Xbox 360. Microsoft does not break down this units sales by entity, but it seems the 360 might have actually made a profit last quarter for the first time. See reference here: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080125-gaming-profitable-once-again-as-microsoft-reports-earnings.html It sounds like they've netted $500 million in profits from the entertainment division in the last 2 quarters and expect that number to keep going up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.30.135.1 (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it's time to update the section. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 14:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, there are more things missing:

- $1300 million losses in 2006

- $800 million losses in 2007 (the $1100 million RROD write-off is not included)

And the sentence "The losses are due to the market strategy of selling consoles below cost [...]" is not enough to explain the situation because the $4 billion losses counted by Forbes in 2005 are basically the definite net losses of the first XBox, already including all software and accessory sales in that generation. The customers that bought the original XBox will never make Microsoft any profit, so it's not the "razor and blade" model what we are seeing here. Microsoft's business model was to buy market share with the 1st Xbox, without regard for profit making. The 360 is probably on better footing, with net losses so far around $2 billion and shrinking, but even for the 360 that sentence is speculating on future profits in 2008-2010. Repetition (talk) 01:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox repairs
Now that the Xbox core edition has been discontinued, does this mean that the core version will now be replaed with the Arcade version on repair? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.227.138 (talk) 18:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

At this time no, they have a stock of older machines. In the future this may happen. Typhoon87 (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008

Early xbox 360 Core systems included the "Xenon" Motherboard like the Pro SKU. Then the Core got the "Zephyr" Motherboard when it got HDMI. Now the Arcade SKU packs a "Falcon" Motherboard. You are going to get the same kind of Xbox motherboard back from Microsoft when it gets "Repaired". Actually Microsoft has several million broken Xenons in their hardware repair cycle. --8bitJake (talk) 04:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Upscale Dvd player?
Can we include some information about the xbox 360 upscale dvd player, as in, which editions have it and which don't? --Uselesswarrior (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a little too in-depth for the audience of the article, but DVD upscaling is available on all versions of the XBox360. However this feature is only enabled when the console's display setting is in HD and a VGA or HDMI cable is used. Upscaling is not enabled over any Component cable (like the one that comes supplied in the box as standard) because of licencing issues with the Component standard and not because Microsoft couldn't do it if they wanted to. --Decompiled (talk) 00:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

XBOX 360 Ultimate
May just be rumours at the moment, but a website, located here has information on the "XBOX 360 Ultimate". It is as follows:

Bill Gates and the Microsoft crew are rumored to be planning something big for next week's Consumer Electronics Show, but we've got nothing but speculation to tide us over until then. Gadget mag Stuff, however, thinks it has—or genuinely has—the scoop on what's coming down the product pipeline from Redmond. The Xbox 360 Ultimate, Stuff writes, will be hitting store shelves by this autumn and feature "1080p HDMI output, built-in Wi-Fi, hi-def audio output, cooler 65nm hardware architecture and a near-silent fan." On top of all that, the IPTV service that MS touted at last year's CES will be good to go.

Also included in the Ultimate? A 320GB hard drive and HD-DVD drive. While we have our doubts about the authenticity of the details, the news seems a bit too matter of fact to ring false. Is someone at Stuff simply letting the cat out of the bag early? Perhaps we'll know more this Sunday, when we report directly from CES '08.

Is it a rumour? Is it true? You be the judge. 69.156.176.163 (talk) 00:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a complete waste of time and should not be included in the article unless a reliable source actually quotes microsoft on it.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 13:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, if it's true, I'll be owing you an "I told you so", but as well, I'll be wanting an XBOX 360 Ultimate. 69.156.176.163 (talk) 01:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's another quote on this subject:

We’ve already had the Xbox 360 Premium and Elite. Both are, of course, fine gaming machines with the best games catalogue in the next-gen field. But come autumn 2008, we predict both will be rendered obsolete by a new model. We'll call it the Xbox Ultimate.

If our guesstimate is correct, this PS3-mauler will benefit from all manner of killer features, including 1080p HDMI output, built-in Wi-Fi, hi-def audio output, cooler 65nm hardware architecture and a near-silent fan.

Once the Xbox IPTV service is in full swing, we're hoping you'll be able to record TV shows to its beefier 320GB hard disk and watch live TV shows via your broadband provider.

But the piece de resistance? Well, fingers-crossed for a built-in HD DVD drive. Let Round 12 with the PS3 commence...

There you have it. 69.156.176.163 (talk) 08:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A rumour really has no place on Wikipedia. Once a reliable source confirms this new model (ie. Microsoft) then it can be added. BeShaMo (talk) 15:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

no rumors on wiki. Besides Microsoft wouldn't put a built in HD-DVD drive in the ultimate because of Blu-ray's win. that would be like putting betamax in the thing.75.121.36.237 (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Arbiter099


 * its actually quite likely that a prototype of a 360 with a built-in HD DVD drive was developed and built, with a view to production, but it would never be revealed now that the HD DVD format is dead. It could very well have been unveiled this year hadn't WB dropped HD support and killed the format. I however highly doubt that they'll make one with a bigger hard drive as 120GB is more than sufficient for most users. The Premium might get an update to 60GB though, if anything. Wi-Fi is the big missing feature and a 360 with built in Wi-Fi is almost certain (obviously along with other extras, probably like a wireless headset or including the play&charge kit and a battery, or inbuilt flash card readers) should the PS3 begin to catch it up saleswise. a 320GB drive would be ridiculous and would make the console completely unprofitable. You're talking about probably an extra $100 for the drive and $100 for the built in Wi-Fi! Besides if they're going for a massive hard drive like 320GB surely they would be clever and make it a 360GB drive. Chocobogamer (talk) 01:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They wouldn't add anything like a play and charge kit or built in WiFi, because they make big profit from the sale of extras and the console would be too expensive with these add ons 203.129.52.88 (talk) 11:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hardware revisions
Should there be a hardware revision section for the the 360 as there is for the ps 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_2#Hardware_revisions)? To date there have been 3 motherboard revisions, three drives and there are two different power supply wattages, the original 203 watt, and the newer 175 watt that is only for the "falcon" motherboard. Typhoon87 (talk) 03:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)Typhoon87 January 07, 2008
 * Are they really that different? Maybe a table would simplify the information enough to fit in a single section? -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

that would work. Here is a rough list (would need rewording and cleaning up)

The launch board "Xenon" the first version of the board suffered high rrod failure rates.

The first revision "Zepher" added HDMI connector, changed the x-clamp (in an attempt to reduce board flexing and reduce RROD), saw slight hardware changes on the mother board and would see a new version of the heatsink, was only used for about 7 months saw little reduction in rrod hardware failures. About two months into the production of the zepher revisions run the power brick was changed from a 3 prong to 2 prong end. This board was first used to launch the elite model as it had an HDMI port. Slightly later in the production run the core and premium were quitely changed over to use the new board later the core was replaced in the product lineup by the arcade.

The current revision "Falcon" (refrence http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152) further slight revisons to the x-clamp, main chip die shrink, video chip die shrink, eram die shrink, slight changes to the motherboard layout, newer build dates have 175 watt power bricks instead of the older 203 watt bricks most of the changes were an attempt to reduce rrod and other hardware failure issues. (Note: 175 watt power brick had a diffrent key end on the end that plugs in to the 360 making it impossible to use a 175 watt supply on an older machine.) This revision has been predicted by many to bring the amount of RROD failures to a much more reasonable number although as of the writing (02/08) the revision has not been on the market long enough to prove this. It also helps Microsoft reduce the cost per machine. Typhoon87 (talk) 00:23, 16, February 2008


 * It's been 2 months since someone requested, and no one has added it to the article. why? This is information that the article is missing. what are you waiting for? --MarioV (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Arcade paragraph, and quotation marks
I find most of this paragraph to be confusing. I think a little cleanup could make it clearer and more effective, but I hesitate to do so because I don't want to cloud any of its meaning. If someone would care to take a stab at it, I would be appreciative. "The Xbox 360 Arcade,[15] priced at US$279.99,[16] is the replacement for the 'Xbox 360 Core'.[17] It was publicly revealed (though it was available in stores far earlier)[18] by Microsoft's president of Entertainment Devices devision Robbie Bach to the Financial Times on October 18, 2007,[16] and officially announced on October 22, 2007.[19] It includes a wireless controller, 256 MB memory unit, composite AV cable, HDMI 1.2 output, and 5 Xbox Live Arcade titles.[20] Holiday 2007 consoles, with packaging labeled 'Go Play!', are bundled with Boom Boom Rocket, Feeding Frenzy, Luxor 2, Pac-Man Championship Edition, and Uno on a single disk, which also includes a 'Welcome Video' and several game trailers/demos.[21]" I also think that the usage of quotes to denote the types of Xbox should either be used uniformly in the article or not at all. Thanks. DeftHand (talk) 08:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

80 GB model?
On the ticker at the bottom of the screen on G4 over the weekend was a bit about a possible 80 GB model of the 360? Is there any additional information on this possibility? Sadly, I cannot for the life of me remember the source G4 was citing for this what I'm guessing is a rumor, unless it's been confirmed and I am just in the dark. Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a rumor at this point. Another rumor is a 60 Gig HD on the pro. We will just have to wait and see.--8bitJake (talk) 20:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 20:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the new Hard drive is going to be 60 gigs. It's not official yet. --8bitJake (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Special Editions
Does anyone know whatever became of the 300 Special Edition XBOX 360? It's not listed with the other two, and I know that it was produced as a "special" edition.Gyrferret (talk) 03:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well both it and the Simsons edition are extremely limited custom runs for promotional purposes and never actually sold to the public. Hello Kitty Crystal Xbox One on the other hand was actually sold on store shelves --8bitJake (talk) 04:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Grand Theft Auto IV edition Xbox consoles http://www.complex.com/blogs/2008/03/20/xbox-drops-500-limited-edition-gta-iv-360s/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.13.57.129 (talk) 04:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That looks Photoshopped.--8bitJake (talk) 05:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Xbox is white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.144.195 (talk) 06:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, light the box from below with a black background, (to correct for inverted shadows) then convert the picture to a negative. I agree the picture -does- look shopped. Mahjongg (talk) 23:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No it is real, sorry i can't remember where but it was a reliable source where i heard about this 203.129.52.88 (talk) 11:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe a Fools Day joke, but I just received information on a Vintage and Recon edition. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 16:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * HAHAHAHA theres no maybe about it, come on they were announced alongside a wireless helmet and Xbox LIVE: The board game!, by adding it here, u look a total April Fool! Sorry. Chocobogamer (talk) 23:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)