Talk:Yakov Yurovsky

Also, "murder" is defined as the unlawful killing of a person. Whoever wrote the article states that the members of the Royal Family were "murdered" by Yurovsky's comrades. If the Soviet ruled they were enemies of the state, they were therefore lawfully executed, and "killed" rather than "murdered." I guess it's all whose perspective you take.

Try writing something like this under the page for Holocaust. So you're saying that the Bolsheviks were the legal government of Russia, but the Nazis and Hitler were not the legal government in Germany. At least the Nazis were elected. I'll go out on a limb and say that the Jews killed in Nazi Germany were in fact 'murdered.' ````Shandafirde

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 * I think they mean unlawful in the sense of an extra-judicial killing, hence murder and not lawful execution.

It is curious to me that you would take the time to discuss the difference between 'murder' and 'execution:'. What does that tell us about you? Many people feel that state sponsered 'execution' is murder by the government. In any case what this butcher execute did was barbaric. You can call it what you like, and you can try to scrub these pages of the brutality of Marxism in action. Are you some how related to this butcher? That people like you still exist in our world, and take the time to put your propaganda forward, shows me that it is necessary to be forever vigilant. The forces of World Marxism are obviously alive and well, and they are in leauge, perhaps, with people akin to this butcher. That could be the real story here, folks.


 * Take your empty hyperbole elsewhere, my anonymous friend. Czarist Russia wasn't exactly a democratic wonderland. Pogroms, serfdom (abolished by Alexander II, but obviously too late to decisively appease the growing opposition) and deportations to Siberia. I can't blame the red Russians for revolting, even though the new regime came to develop a system of oppression of its own devise. Jonas Liljeström (talk) 12:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * How does that justify the brutal murder of defenseless women who had no political power or real relation to the situation at hand? Murder is the proper word, as chasing someone around the room with a bayonet is not an "execution". You speak of hyperbole, but you changed the meaning of the situation so that its political. If this were political, it seems like they would have only killed the Czar and perhaps his heir. Tell me: What did their servants and doctor do to deserve being shot and stabbed to death? Any references to the killings of these people, besides "murder" is simply whitewashing. By Russian law, the Romanovs are considered victims of political repression; no less murdered than those killed in Nazi concentration camps. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Q.: Regarding the phrase, "this may have been prompted by the prejudice toward Jews frequently exhibited in Russia at the time." Which came first, the chicken or the egg? In other words, which came first, antisemitism by Russians or Jewish participation in anarchist and other revolutionary groups? If you need sources, check your Talmud. ````Shandafirde
 * A bizarre comment. Anti-Semitism came first, as even a superficial glance at Russian and Ukrainian history prior to the 19th century would show. Implying that the Talmud is the reason for "Jewish participation in anarchist and other revolutionary groups" is laughable, even more so given that anti-Semitic sentiments were by no means unknown among Anarchists and Narodniks. --Ismail (talk) 11:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

"And perhaps his heir". Do you mean the only actual child that was murdered in the massacre? How is the murder of a 13-year-old boy less barbaric than that of adult women or teenage girls? Because he had political value? Well, the Romanov women had it as well. They could have been used as symbols or inspiring figures by the enemies of the Soviets regardless of what the law said about succession and that is why they were murdered. You say that chasing women with bayonets is not "execution", and I completely agree, but shooting, beating, and stabbing a child could never be "execution" either, otherwise I don´t see the point in bringing morality into this debate at all. It is either "murder" to kill people without trial solely for political reasons or it isn´t. The only person there who could be said to have been executed and not murdered was Nicholas and even then it is doubtful since he didn´t get a trial (Which doesn´t mean this man who held a lot of power and probably had blood in his hands was innocent, only that to call what happened to him without warning or a chance to defend himself "execution" is laughable).

Any sources proving that his grandfather was a Rebbe and his father was a criminal? 71.252.104.108 21:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You'll will only find that information in czarist and antisemitic books. 19:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * how painful was his ulcer? I assume much for it killed him, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.34.142 (talk) 06:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Poor Research
The Yurovsky family were Russian Orthodox. This is very poorly researched.

The above comment is confirmed by the content of one of the links in the article itself http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/yurovski_bio.html

Authors should read their own sources before submitting articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SMBreitstein (talk • contribs).


 * Duly noted. I've changed "Jewish" to "Russian Orthodox" in the article. Jonas Liljeström (talk) 12:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The boxes at the bottom of the page still mention a non-Greek denomination.


 * Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out! Jonas Liljeström (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Needs More Work
I corrected a couple of minor factual errors. Unfortunately, there is a reference to questionable, probably forged documents relating to the execution squad. Researchers are now able to determine more facts relating to the execution. This page really should be re-evalutated for accuracy. Kate Singh.

I recently read: "The Fate of the Romanovs" by Greg King and Penny Wilson (Wiley, 2003) that suggests that Yurovsky's death was due to a heart attack, and not an ulcer. Although, the text did mention the fact he had an ulcer at the time he died.

SunflowerseedSari 02:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Needs to stay objective
I edited out the word "scumbags" after the term Bolsheviks. I don't feel that is appropriate here. Katcelata (talk) 22:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Photos
Why are photos of 2 different people in this article? They're clearly different persons.189.60.77.56 (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with the "Execution of the Romanov family" article
From this article:

It has been documented that the order to assassinate the Imperial family came from Yakov Sverdlov in Moscow and had been initiated by Lenin himself.

From Execution of the Romanov family:

However, as of 2011 there has been no conclusive evidence that either Lenin or Sverdlov gave the order.[5] V.N. Solovyov, the leader of the Investigative Committee of Russia's 1993 investigation on the shooting of the Romanov family,[6] has concluded that there is no reliable document that indicates that either Lenin or Sverdlov were responsible.[7][8]

Which is right? 2600:8805:E003:A800:D927:7F25:B0BA:AC2E (talk) 02:41, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Family
I have to post this i tried and im hoping this one works.. I am a direct decendent of Yakov. We have been looking for more information about him but my family is not forth coming at all and i will explain why ... Yakovs son and most of the family were taken out of russia in secret to America and there names were changed to hide them from the Russian government. Yakovs son had 3 daughters betty bobbie and molly. We have tried to ask hundreds of times about him with no avail. They refuse to talk the only thing i can think of is there disgraced about what happened to the Zars family or they are scared, as a child i do remember them telling me there were scared of what would happen if they were found out so i dont know. We were only told he was the most brutal executioner under the Zar. The last of the daughters will not be with us much longer and is still refusing to talk even to this day and the rest of us would like more information as we keep running into road blocks when looking it seems someone or something is preventing us from finding out more maybe to protect i dont know and am frustrated about it so im here asking you. We would like more of a family background if it can be found ie: other children names places and whos still alive ...As the older members of this family will not be around much longer myself included ... I will look forward to any responses in reguard to this and my mail is open to those who have any information that they can share. Contact: Superbikemike4@yahoo.com Thankyou very much for helping me if and when you can :) --Mike Yurovsky (talk) 19:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)Mike  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Yurovsky (talk • contribs) 18:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Detail
I want more detail about the later period in Yakov's career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.147.175.160 (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There is very little about the 1930 to 1938 spell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.147.175.160 (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Where is the evidence that Yakov Yurovsky was Jewish?
The "source" seems to be the published books of Robert Wilton from the early 1920s, who was a raving antisemite believing in things like the Blood Libel. Here are some footnotes which prove why it is so hard to ascertain Yurovsky's Jewishness: www (dot) bit (dot) ly/2rCmBqF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:541:E300:D9FC:403B:98A1:ACF1 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Remorse or not?
This article says that "In 1920, a British officer who met Yurovsky recorded that he was remorseful over his role in the execution of the Romanovs.", but the article Execution of the Romanov family says that "Yurovsky never expressed regret or remorse over the murders".

There is obviously a contradiction that might need sorting out. However, both claims have a source. 91.157.10.191 (talk) 02:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * "Yurovsky was apparently satisfied that he had left not a trace of the bodies in existence, but he has since developed an intense fear of vengeance. This dread of future vengeance, mixed perhaps with feelings of remorse and horror, and the dreadful consciousness of having committed a crime which has placed him apart for ever from all other men, has been the pre-dominant trait in his character ever since." (My emphasis)
 * From A Prisoner of the Reds (1922) by Francis McCullagh, the British officer who met Yurovsky in 1920. Although the two men talked, the executions were not mentioned.
 * https://archive.org/details/prisonerreds00mccu/page/n162/mode/1up Simon Barne (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)