Talk:Yeung Ku-wan

Photos to be placed
I hope to add the following photos:
 * of the cover of the cited book (which is a statue of Yang Quyun), but am not sure about copyright situation. I feel it should be OK as the cover of a book is in the public domain.
 * of members of the Revive China Society (Xingzhonghui), with Yang Quyun presiding and Sun Yat-sen on the back row, along with members of the Japanese Chapter of Xingzhonghui
 * of the tomb of Yang Quyun

There isn't much space and the present photo of the Gage St memorial plaque needs to be moved Duncan.france (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Reason for the change of name from 'Yang Quyun' to 'Yeung Kui-wan'
As Yeung Kui-wan was born in South China and is known (as are his descendents) by the Wade-Giles romanisation 'Yeung Kui-wan' rather than the pinyin version - 'Yang Quyun', I, as the initial author of the article, would prefer the name 'Yeung Kui-wan' spelling which reflects his origin and avoids a certain cultural piracy. There is an important precedent, i.e. that of Sun Yat-sen - Names:


 * "The original name of Sun Yat-sen was Sun Wen (孫文) and genealogy name was Sun Deming (孫德明).[1][6] As a child name his milkname was Dixiang (帝象).[1] The courtesy name of Sun Yat-sen was Zaizhi (載之), and his baptized name was Rixin (日新).[7]
 * While schooling in Hong Kong he earned the name Yat Sen (逸仙; Mandarin: Yixian)".

Obviously, the Article Name, 'Yang Quyun' should be changed to 'Yeung Kui-wan'. As a Redirect article titled 'Yeung Kui-wan' [which redirects to this 'Yang Quyun' article exists already, and is not accessible to me, I would be grateful if an expert could either change it, or advise me how to change the article's name. Duncan.france (talk) 07:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Evidence for Yeung Kui-wan descendent preferring that spelling
I have a couple of e-mails from descendents of Yeung Kui-wan which underline the preference for the usage of that romanisation.

The text of a old e-mail is as follows:
 * On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Adrian Yeung [brother of Yeung Hing-on] 
 * > wrote:
 * > Dear Duncan,
 * > My brother remind me that the corrected name for Yang should be Yeung
 * > Kui-wan same as Prof. Luo Hui advised. see below:
 * > The details to be filled in in your article:
 * > 1. Yang's Wade-Giles spelling: Yeung Kui-wan
 * > The main reason is that you can chase after
 * > from history with original name, hope you can change it back
 * > Regards / Adrian
 * > from history with original name, hope you can change it back
 * > Regards / Adrian

The last one (see below) includes an image of a memo to Tse Tsan-tai (謝纘泰; pinyin: Xie Zuantai), the treasurer of the Furen Literary Society, from Yeung Kui-wan using the 'Yeung Kui-wan' spelling.


 * >2011/9/10 Adrian Yeung 
 * >Dear Duncan,
 * >1, please see photo 1 showing Yeung 's letter to Tse with his own signature by Yeung kui-wan
 * >2, The other two enclosed South China Morning Post for your update reference showing SCMP using same original name
 * >   Adrian
 * > 主題︰ 寫給謝纘泰信中的簽名


 * > 今傳上附件證明楊衢雲的英文名寫法，其中最重要的證明是他寫給謝纘泰信中的簽名. 南華早報已用他簽名的串法.

As you can see from the above, Yeung's descendents' position is really that the spelling of his name should respect historic usage (rather than avoiding "cultural piracy". That was my spin...).

Hope that this is sufficient to convince you that the spelling change should hold. If so, I will be grateful for your help in carrying out the 'Name of article change' Duncan.france (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Please copy the evidence you've provided above to the article, or maybe the talk page. I've renamed the article as per your request, and made some minor changes as well. There are certain parts that still need citations though.   Lonelydarksky (暗無天日)  contact me (聯絡) 08:53, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Appeal for undeletion of: File:Tombstone be anonymous in Hong Kong Cemetery, Happy Vally, Hong Kong.JPG
The following apeal was lodged on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Appeal_for_undeletion_of:_File:Tombstone_be_anonymous_in_Hong_Kong_Cemetery.2C_Happy_Vally.2C_Hong_Kong.JPG

While the original photo was, as far as I know, published in one of the Hong Kong newspaper's website (unknown to me, as the photo was supplied to me by the nephew of Yeung Kui-wan, in which article I posted it), I appeal the deletion of the title .jpg on the grounds that:

1) I had problems with defining the copyright status at the time of posting, but more importantly:

2) The subject of the photo (Yeung Kui-wan's unnamed tomb) is in the public domain, i.e. in Hong Kong cemetery, Happy Valley, and ANYONE could have taken such a photo.

Hopefully 'you' will arbitrate in favor of undeletion of this image, as it is so pertinent to the article. Thanking you in advance -Duncan.france (talk) 05:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If I have understood your request correctly, you want an image undeleted, while acknowledging that it was published by a newspaper. If the copyright belongs to the newspaper, it may not be placed in Wikipedia. The rules are very clear about this.


 * If the image is a photograph of a memorial stone, then Yeung Kui-wan's nephew (or, as you say, anyone else) can travel to the cemetery with a camera, take a photograph of it, and release the copyright of that photograph so that it can be used on Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 16:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Problem with spelling of 'Yeung Kui-wan'
I generated the basic article based on information supplied by Yeung Hing-on, the nephew of the man object of this article.

The problem stems from difficulties in communication with Yeung Hing-on, a Chinese man whose English is relatively limited.

He had insisted that 'Yeung Kui-wan' WAS the spelling of his uncle's name (in a romanisation of Cantonese).

The HK government has finally recognised his uncle, and has placed a plaque next to his uncle's un-named grave, which shows the name 'Yeung Ku-wan'!

THe family members (Adrian and Albert (Yeung Hing-on) as in e-mail conversation above), wish now that the name be 'Yeung Ku-wan', i.e. aligned to that chosen by the HK government. Ideally, the spelling 'Yeung Kui-wan' should be eliminated (unless as a redirect). This means, for me, changing the article 'Yeung Kui-wan' to a redirect and placing the suitably corrected text in a 'Yeung Ku-wan' article.

If anyone can advise on how to do this, I would be grateful.

Duncan.france (talk) 09:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)