Talk:Youth detention center

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Criminal actions?
article cites "Its intended purpose is to protect the public from the criminal actions of minors by granting those minors secure detention and temporary care with intent, in most cases, to make those who serve time functioning adults in society."

Most states, Idaho being cited here, disallow the denomination of juveniles as criminals, crimes are referenced as acts under the purview of the juvenile justice act of 1974 and specifically note this difference. Additionally, in order to be "convicted" of a "crime" the suspect has the right to a trial by jury. A right not afforded to juveniles being tried under the purview of their respective states juveinle justice act. Definitions can be cited in Idaho code 20-502 §13.

Ajohnson353 00:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)Adam Johnson

Merge?
I'm proposing merging Reform school and Reformatory into this page. To me they look like they all are overlapping concepts. However, I'm concerned there might be some slight differences between them that might justify seperate articles. So, as per the merge rules, if anyone agrees I'll perform the merge in a couple of weeks, if no one says anything I'll do it in four weeks. If there seems to be a consensus to not do a merge (or no clear consensus), I'll remove the templates (I don't know about anyone else, but merge templates that just sit there without anyone doing anything with them drive me up the wall). Curtangel 16:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Merging with Reformatory
Reformatory might be synonymous with youth detention in the United States, but not in Canada and other parts of the world. As such, a merged article would not reflect the world view of the word reformatory. --Jeff Johnston 19:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * My suggestion was based on the definition of reformatory offered in the article itself -- in fact the article seems to suggest (to me at least) that the term is more common in this usage outside the United States. Living in the United States myself, I can't say that I personally see the words as synonomous. In fact, I think of it as being for adult institutions as well.  I assumed this term was more common in other parts of the world in this manner and therefore appropriate.  If no one else disagrees, I will not merge that article -- but it clearly needs to be expanded to a fuller explanation of what a reformatory is, because as it is it seems to suggest it is almost exclusively for youths.  Curtangel 00:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I support a merge, but perhaps with a title for the combined program that is not specific to a particular cultural usage and instead a categorical name like 'Juvenile Prison' or similar. That seems to me to be the descriptive category of all these articles. Or maybe something like that. Right now many related articles have overlapping content. Without lots of specific distinctions between them seems to make more sense as one high level article and then subarticles could be expanded if and when there is enough distinctions to be made. - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not support and reiterate my previous argument. Reformatory has been used as a label for juvenile facilities, but just as commonly (if not more commonly) for adult facilities. In fact, many US adult correctional facilities have, and continue to use, the label "reformatory". The article really only briefly touches on the juvenile definition and speaks mostly about the adult usage. If you want to merge it with another article, it would be more appropriate to merge it with Prison. --JeffJ (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Training School
The link to training school goes to an unrelated page, does that mean it needs a disambiguation page or something instead? Beccaviola (talk) 01:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

US centric article?
Only halfway through, but I am reading (seemingly editorial) phrases decrying how "differences in definition between the states make a uniform definition of 'criminal acts' impossible" (paraphrase). Unless this refers to nation states or something, this suggests a statement only pertaining to the US, which should therefore be quantified as such, assuming that there are juvenile detention policies in most nations of the world. I would secondly point to the seemingly editorial slant which appears (to my biased eyes) to suggest that the US would be better off with a uniform, national definition of juvenile "crimes", which I would view as unconstitutional usurpation of states rights, since such local lawmaking is explicitly NOT the responsibility of the federal government under the US constitution. But those are just my views on the matter..45Colt 11:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Why is there a redirect on the Young Offender Institution? This article only relates to the United States and does not represent YOI's in the UK (actually England & Wales, Scotnad is again separate) Pandaplodder (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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Readability
As noted in one of the other discussions on this entry, this article seems to be USA specific without making this explicit. I arrived here after searching "juvenile hall", which I believe is a US term. Certainly, by excluding any reference to a country this implies the entry is applicable globally, which it is not. The article is generally lacking in specificity.

An example of an article which begins to address the topic more clearly can be found here - https://legalbeagle.com/5005578-what-happens-juvenile-detention-center.html Cicero UK (talk) 09:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, this article is very US-centric, to the extent that it might be better renamed as Youth detention centers in the US? I see that there are articles named American juvenile justice system and Juvenile court (US). Youth justice (DAB page) leads to articles about a journal and articles about youth justice in England and Wales, and New Zealand. Juvenile detention in the Northern Territory (Australia), various "juvenile justice"-related articles, and then there is Young offender, which includes brief sections on the UK, US, Brazil and Sweden. All a bit of a hotch-potch, which could do with some attention and linking via See also sections perhaps. Laterthanyouthink (talk)