Talk:Zambia/Archive 2

mobile phone manufacture
Is it really the case to mention mobile phone manufacture in the introduction? I would not expect this here, but rather in the Industry chapter! Sorin Toma (talk) 11:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Nice archive of photographs, newspaper/journal articles
Might be worth putting into the external links:
 * Northern Rhodesia and Zambia Photographs and Information from the Fifties and Sixties.

--Dc987 (talk) 07:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Vedanta Propaganda
I was a little concerned at the mention of Vedanta's investment in mining. Vedanta has come under criticism for it's human rights, environmental, and safety record. I therefore removed the reference, rather than attempt a discussion of the issues.

212.135.216.130 (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well fair enough, I agree that removing the content uncited since 2009 is correct - but what you replaced it with had no citation either - so I've removed that. Perhaps nothing is what's needed there - the article is about Zambia, not a discussion on the rights and wrongs of a particular company there. If anything is needed, maybe a nice, neutral statement on foreign investment ?  -  Begoon (talk) 11:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

that Zambia is a Christian nation
You've gotta make it all the way down to the bottom--in the Religion section--to find this???!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cj1646 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Schrandit - Stop trying to negative words against Zambia
This is a message to 'Schrandit' stop trying to pull down Zambia. Your country USA has 1 million Aids sufferers. Perhaps we should put that down in it's front page. What possible reason is there to reference those kind of statistics as a general introduction to Zambia. I suspect you are a European, which explains your activity in this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.52.135 (talk) 17:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not an argument to claim that someone comes from the USA, and then, changing your mind, claim they're European. Zambia has a high HIV infection rate - that's a notable fact about the country, not a plot to "pull down" the country. This is an encyclopedia, not a tourist brochure. Please discuss your proposed changes on the talk page first. Greenman (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

He has described himself as a 'German-American' which is the basis of my text. Read his page.

The USA had 50 million people in poverty, the most business failures and the most hated country in the world. Why are these points not referenced in it's front page.

Nonsense. Your input is hostile biased and emphatically non-relevant to a general introduction to a country. It has non basis to appear in the front page.

Your editing of the page will result in re-editing by myself. You are wasting your time in this page.

These examples of actions are clear examples of race based hostility towards Africa. Again by European origin peoples.

In none of their own country texts is anything negative ever referenced. Go check out every country in Europe they are painted as perfect when they have nothing in their bank account.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.52.135 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC) Anonymous, feel free to discuss your suggested additions to the USA page there. However, claiming victimisation and racism is not a reason for removing cited facts. Please discuss on talk before getting into an edit war. Greenman (talk) 22:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I will report your activities for hostile malice forethought in editing.

Your revisions will be constantly subject to my revisions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.52.135 (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not claiming anything. I'm stating the obvious. Texts that document statistics cannot in any way explain a country of over 15million within 3 paragraphs. And nor should they. They will be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Botsworld (talk • contribs) 22:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Shaka Zulu
The article states in the introductory paragraphs that South African people that settled the area were fleeing the aggression of Shaka Zulu in the 12th century, this makes little sense as Shaka wasn't born until the 18th century. However, I don't have much experience with the history of the region, so I don't feel qualified to rewrite the section. If someone with more background in African history could review this section and — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.98.190 (talk) 17:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

mining policy
if you have any about mining policy in zambia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.19.129.108 (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

"Fastest"
In 2010, the World Bank named Zambia one of the world's fastest economically reformed countries.

— Huh? What are we trying to say here? Fastest-growing? Not clear. Sca (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Madalitso Muthiya
The final paragraph of the article had referred to golfer Madalitso Muthiya as the first "African American African" to play in the US Open. This phrasing is, at best, ambiguous, and most likely incorrect. Being an American, I have noticed that sometimes Americans have a hard time using the word "black" when describing a person's race, and will incorrectly substitute "African American," regardless of the person's country of origin. Obviously, Muthiya was born in Zambia. If he were to have obtained naturalized citizenship in the United States he might be described as "African American African," but I find no evidence for this to be the case. I have changed the phrasing in the article. I am only writing here because I have essentially no knowledge on this subject and am basing the edit on a brief Internet search, as well as the reference to Muthiya in his own Wikipedia article as being the first black African to play in the US Open. If my edit is in error, I apologize. El piel (talk) 18:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Tourism in Zambia
Hi! It would be great if you could create this article: Tourism in Zambia!

Perhaps you can draw some inspiration from Tourism in Brazil and Tourism in Germany. :) Use proper sources! Thanks & all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 22:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Lacerda e Almeida
I removed part of a good and correct (mostly) contribution (removed material in bold) in the chapter of the first European contact:


 * "The earliest European to visit the area was the Portuguese explorer Francisco de Lacerda in the late 18th century. De Lacerda led an expedition to the Kazembe region in Zambia[15] and passed away during the expedition in 1798. The expedition was from then on led by his friend Fransisco Pinto. This territory, located between Portuguese Mozambique and Portuguese Angola, was claimed and explored by Portugal in that period. Although Brazil tried to claim the same territory" (?) "on the ground that De Lacerda was Brazillian," (correct, altough also Portuguese or a national Portuguese in the case) "the Portuguese paid the costs of the expedition" (this expression does not make much sense in a context where the whole entourage have the same nationality and were serving their country, and not properly a captain of foreign origin in the service of another country) "and were the recognized conquerors of the Kazembe kingdom."


 * Unlikely (?). The leader was Portuguese by nationality (Brazilian from São Paulo, by his place of birth, then one Portuguese viceroyalty, son of a European and a Euro-Brazilian by places of birth). The Brazil Independent, after 1822, acknowledged Angola to Portugal, but continued for some limited time to have more cultural influence in Angola (than Portugal at the time) and "ambitions" about Angola, and supposedly, by extension, including its possible expansion (and not on a specific region, and a new region (future Zambia) between Mozambique an Angola), and due to older historical close relations between Portuguese Brazil and Angola (over the past two centuries before, included sea and land Captains) and the slave trade etc., not so based properly on particular new important explorers like Lacerda, who by the way, departed from Quelimane, Mozambique. And over all Angola, in particular the Angolan coast. (mainly political and commercial in many of the influential settlers for some time in the 19th century, including the boycott (attempts) of the Portuguese general abolition of slavery (trade before and then slavery), by a influential class - some powerfull traders, landowners and politicians (please note, not not all Brazilian elite then, there were the abolitionists at the time) in Brazil on Euro or Luzo-Brazilian settlers in Angola).


 * But if there are sources on this: Empire of Brazil, or some people in its gonvernment, or representing it, or intellectually influential people, claiming territory in present-day Zambia; and I made a mistake, please, replace (it would be better with a reliable source, if possible). --LuzoGraal (talk) 17:30, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Merge "Zambian" here
The page Zambian is not a proper disambiguation page, but a list of Zambia-related topics that should all be linked from this page anyway. It should be redirected here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:59, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

The Irony: Selfishness in the Zambian Music Industry
If you've been observing the evolution of Zambian music carefully then you would most likely agree with me that it has not been easy for our musical artists to breakthrough. Even those who manage to breakthrough still don't reach a certain level of success. Let's take a look at Oliver Mtukudzi for example, he's from our neighbor Zimbabwe, but has managed to reach a level so high that he is a household name in almost every English-speaking and every African country. So my point is that Zambian Musicians are just too self centred and as long as the self centeredness continues, Zambian music will never breakthrough as a whole. It's like everyone just wants to get heard even if what they have produced isn't the best in the country. I was in Mansa one time and heard a song called "Tuli Kuno" by a young group of artists called The "Saharan Swag". It was a really nice song that had potential to go viral in almost every African country. I thought of getting in touch with their former manager and I was told that the group split and every former member was now working solo. That was in 2014 and up to the time I was writing this article the Saharan Swag and it's former members have never done any song as good as the ones they did while working together. For the big cats like Zone FAM and Black Muntu their stories are both obvious. The saying "United we stand, decided we fall" has to be considered by every Zambian Musician and Stakeholders if Zambian music is to have a meaningful and long-lasting breakthrough. Tee Fly The Flowlord (talk) 23:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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Bibliography about Zambia (suggestions by Duncan Money)

 * Ambler, Charles, ‘Popular Films and Colonial Audiences: The Movies in Northern Rhodesia’, The American Historical Review, 106, 1 (2001), pp. 81-105.
 * Ambler, Charles, ‘Alcohol, Racial Segregation and Popular Politics in Northern Rhodesia’, The Journal of African History, 31 (1990), pp. 295-313.
 * Berger, Elena, Labour, Race and Colonial Rule: the Copperbelt from 1924 until independence, (Oxford, 1974).
 * Chauncy Jnr, George, ‘The Locus of Reproduction: Women’s labour on the Zambian Copperbelt, 1927-53’, Journal of Southern African Studies, 7, 2 (1981), pp. 135-64.
 * Chanock, Martin, Law, Customs and Social Order. The Colonial Experience in Malawi and Zambia (Cambridge, 1985).
 * Ferguson, James, Expectations of Modernity: Myths and meanings of urban life on the Zambian Copperbelt (Berkeley, 1999).
 * Fraser, Alistair and Miles Larmer (eds.), Zambia, Mining, and Neoliberalism: boom and bust on the globalized Copperbelt (Basingstoke, 2011).
 * Gewald, Jan Bart, Marja Hinfelaar and Giacomo Macola (eds.), One Zambia, Many Histories. Towards a History of Post-Colonial Zambia (Leiden, 2008).
 * Gewald, Jan Bart, Marja Hinfelaar and Giacomo Macola (eds.), Living at the End of Empire: Politics and Society in Late Colonial Zambia, (Leiden, 2011)
 * Hansen, Karen, Distant Companions: Servants and Employers in Zambia, 1900-1985 (Ithaca, 1989).
 * Kay, George, A Social Geography of Zambia: A survey of population patterns in a developing country (London, 1967).
 * Kalinga, Owen, ‘Independence Negotiations in Nyasaland and Northern Rhodesia’, International Negotiation, 10 (2005), pp. 235-62.
 * Kalusa, Walima and Megan Vaughan, Death, Belief and Politics in Central African History (Lusaka, 2013)
 * Larmer, Miles, Mineworkers in Zambia: Labour and Political Change in Post-Colonial Africa, (London, 2007).
 * Macola, Giacomo, ‘Reassessing the Significance of Firearms in Central Africa: The Case of North-West Zambia to the 1920s’, Journal of African History 51, (2010), pp. 301-321.
 * Meebelo, Henry, African proletarians and colonial capitalism: The origins, growth, and struggles of the Zambian labour movement to 1964 (Lusaka, 1986).
 * Moore, H. and Vaughan, Megan, Cutting Down Trees. Gender, Nutrition, and Agricul¬tural Change in the Northern Province of Zambia, 1890-1990 (Portsmouth, 1994)
 * Murphy, Philip, ‘Government by Blackmail’: The Origins of the Central African Federation Reconsidered’ in Martin Lynn (ed.), The British Empire in the 1950s: Retreat or Revival? (Basingstoke, 2006), pp. 53-76.
 * Mususa, Patience, ‘Mining, welfare and urbanisation: the wavering urban character of Zambia’s Copperbelt’, Journal of Contemporary African Studies, 30, 4 (2012), pp. 571-87.
 * Mutale, Emmanuel, ‘The Urban Development of Nkana-Kitwe, Zambia: Structural Conflict in the Management of Land and Services’, (East London Univ. Ph.D. thesis 1994).
 * Parpart, Jane, Labor and Capital on the African Copperbelt (Philadelphia, 1983).
 * Phiri, Bizeck Jube, A Political History of Zambia: from colonial rule to the third republic, 1890-2001 (Trenton, 2006).
 * Roberts, Andrew, A History of Zambia (London, 1976).
 * Roberts, Andrew, ‘Notes towards a Financial History of Copper Mining in Northern Rhodesia’, Canadian Journal of African Studies, 16, 2 (1982), pp. 347-59.
 * Schumaker, Lyn, ‘Slimes and Death-Dealing Dambos: Water, Industry and the Garden City on Zambia’s Copperbelt,’ Journal of Southern African Studies, 34, 4 (2008), pp. 823-40.

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August 2017
Nice place with lot of copper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.179 (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

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World Cultures eJournal
Should Wotela have been removed? World Cultures doesn't appear to be predatory (editor was https://niu.edu/bennardo/, author is https://www.wits.ac.za/staff/academic-a-z-listing/w/kambidimawotelawitsacza/) ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 11:58, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will re-check. This was a match on a bad sources list but that could well be an error. I won't challenge if you reinsert it, as you seem to know the journal. Guy (Help!) 12:00, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No knowledge so won't re-add -- but noticed it was published by UC Irvine and headed off down the rabbit hole =). ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 12:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion for section on science and technology
Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well. The UNESCO Science Report may be a good place to start and can copied from directly using these instructions.

Thanks John Cummings (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Poverty citations
Poverty percentage was stated without defining poverty. I added a definition and updated the percentages to 2015 (which seems to be the latest available). But having two citations to the same thing seems odd down in the references. Perhaps someone else knows the best way to fix that. 伟思礼 (talk) 20:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Physical education
Traditional games 41.216.86.45 (talk) 04:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Русский
Русский — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.170.79.191 (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

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