Talk:Zetsuai 1989

Russian
Added summary of the first manga volume of Bronze, translated from corresponding article in Russian, but can't get the reference to show up on the main page.

Untitled
Shouldn't this be moved to the full title of the manga, Zetsuai 1989? Snarfies 16:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

soundtracks merge
I've proposed the merge of all three soundtracks related to this series into one list. I've included Calekka because it is tied to the Captain Tsubasa doujinshi that Zetsuai is based on. --Malkinann (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC) By the way, Russian article doesn't contain much information, as I've written it while being new to Wikipedia. Nothing really useful there. :) -- deerstop. 02:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mind. -- deerstop. 18:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Boldly done. :) --Malkinann (talk) 20:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm not sure about Calekka. It's true that Zetsuai is based on Captain Tsubasa, but how does that link Zetsuai and Calekka? -- deerstop. 11:28, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Captain Tsubasa dojinshi, Dokusen Yoku, led to the production of the Calekka album. I gather that Dokusen Yoku is the predecessor of Zetsuai.  To my mind, Calekka is enough like the predecessor of the other Zetsuai albums to be included in a list of Zetsuai albums.  Plus, a listing of albums is often more acceptable for notability purposes than each album in their own article.  --Malkinann (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Notability aside, do you really consider Calekka to be the predecessor of Zetsuai albums? +_+ It seems far-fetched to me. -- deerstop. 23:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

French Dico Manga Coverage
Shima Kadokura & Misato Kakizaki-Raillard, page 621: ''La description presque violente de l'amour entre hommes est une vraie révélation pour les nombreuses lectrices de ce manga. [...] "Zetsuai 1989" est l'une des oeuvres majeures du genre "yaoi", crée à une époque où cette catégorie de bande dessinées accédait à peine à la reconnaissance.''

"The nearly violent description of love between two men is a real revelation for the many females readers of this manga. [...] Zetsuai 1989 is one of the major works of the yaoi genre, created at a time where that category of comics barely reached recognition."

Comment: Nicolas Finet was the lead editor but the article was written by Shima Kadokura & Misato Kakizaki-Raillard. I don't know how to handle it properly with the cite template. --KrebMarkt 07:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

About Izumi expelled from the house
''Why? what happens to Serika and Yugo?'' - They live separately. After parents' death Serika and Yugo got adopted, so they live with foster parents Hirouchi family. Hirouchi are Izumi's mother cousins (or something like it). In short, they are related to Izumi somewhow. It's been a while since I read Zetsuai, so I could mix up facts. If I remember correctly, Izumi never managed to love them, so he lives in his own apartament, got several part time jobs to pay the bills and etc. As for "why?" question, well, he got a puppy, which was not allowed. The night Koji passed out on a street, Takuto took not only him, but also a dog he found near Koji. His "landlady" warned him about pets, but he couldn't force himself to get rid of a dog. I suppose it won't be easy to explain in plot section. -- deerstop. 00:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like Izumi's the Hana Saint Juste of the family.. almost.. XD I've tried to add in the extra information in a short and unconfusing way. --Malkinann (talk) 03:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Izumi doesn't commit suicide. :) He is not unhappy, because he has the greatest love of his life - a football. I think you explained pretty much everything. Nice that you mentioned a dog, because we will need it later. ^^ -- deerstop. 09:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Too suggestive?
I didn't think so... :/ taking someone to bed would be suggestive, but putting someone to sleep has unfortunate implications. I had thought that putting him to bed would imply that Koji is not joining him and that it's in an innocent and caring fashion...? Bleh. Koji just forces Izumi to get some sleep for his own good, right? --Malkinann (talk) 00:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. Okay, let it be "putting". -- deerstop. 01:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Mother
I guess information about Izumi's past and his mother would better fit in "Synopsis". Not sure about this matter. -- deerstop. 10:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't exactly know, but seeing as she has been mentioned by Suzuki as an example of terrible women (especially mothers) in yaoi, we do need to clearly understand what she did. I don't get "Izumi agrees to accept Koji's feelings, because he doesn't see any other way. Although Izumi is not sure that he is capable of feeling love, Koji wants to be close to him anyway." - could you please elaborate a bit? --Malkinann (talk) 12:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that my plot overview is confusing. Well, the ending of Zetsuai manga is very unclear, so it is hard for me to elaborate it. Through the series Izumi is haunted by Koji: 1) they study in the same school, because Koji arranged it; 2) they live in the same flat, and Izumi cannot afford to move out; 3) Serika and Yugo like Koji and blame Izumi for being cold with his friend, so he feels guilty; 4) it is impossible for Izumi to establish normal relationship with any person (i.e. girl), because when he tried once with Minako, Koji raped Minako; 5) what's more, Izumi neved had a girlfriend, so he's just unexperienced with whole thing; 6) Koji's absolutely serious "As long as I live, I will pursue you, so you have to kill me". Obviously, Izumi is not a murderer and he is afraid of such words because of the painful memories. He cannot say "Get out, or I will kill you" or "I will get rid of you at all costs"; 6) Izumi, in fact, needs Koji, because he's never got a single friend and was always alone; 7) etc etc. BUT in the manga all this facts are read between the lines, they are never told straight out, so can be considered my original research if added to the article. I guess we can add just their last conversation. The main point of it is that Izumi is tired and sees no escape from Koji, because the latter follows him everywhere. In the end of the manga Izumi says "I don't see any other way, so you can have me, but I cannot return your feelings". Koji answers with something like "It's fine, I don't care, as long as I'm near you". And they, well, have sex. That's all. -- deerstop. 19:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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