Template talk:Black separatist organizations

Rules for Addition
I think we should lay some ground rules for adding an organization to this list.
 * 1) There should be documented evidence that the organization in it's doctrines or the leader, not just a few members, have promoted a Black supremacist ideology. IE: A Black Hebrew Israelite may be a Black Supremacist but the organization is not.
 * 2) The documentation should be from a reputable source: the organization itself, a group such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, etc. I think news reports and statements from individual people should be avoided if possible because they tend to blur the line between a few members and the organization or they mislabel an organization. Kind of like we might think of the Sons of Confederate Veterans as a hate group because of their opinions, but that doesn't make them a supremacist group.
 * 3) Black separatism and Black Power are not racist ideologies in the same way that White Power and White separatism are. These groups largely want to be treated equally or left alone.

CJ 12:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we should also add that black nationalism in itself is also not black supremacism.  Yahel  Guhan  21:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea that too. CJ 22:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

These are great ground rules, CJ. futurebird 14:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I call two yays and no nays as a consensus. They're on the main page of the template. CJ 17:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

"Black separatism and Black Power are not racist ideologies in the same way that White Power and White separatism are. These groups largely want to be treated equally or left alone."; I disagree, particularly with respect to white vs. black separatism. Either separatism is racist or it isn't. With respect to "white power" and "black power", what is the situation of people that espouse these ideas and what do they want? They are people who are or perceive themselves to be marginalized economically and socially and want not to be. That a broad consensus of people would agree that this is the situation for more blacks than whites doesn't change the underlying motivations and desire of either group nor make one worse than the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.102.155 (talk) 01:58, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

CJ what do you mean?
"They have been agreed upon by multiple editors and should not be changed without consensus."

The last part is unclear to me... I'd reword it but I don't know what you're going for. futurebird 18:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I pulled that last bit. I was trying to encourage people to not arbitrarily change those guidelines without seeking a consensus first. It's not necessary just a little bit of stress from the whole Crown Heights debate leaking over. CJ 18:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

joining up
i want to be a general and have a battion 12.188.116.38 (talk) 21:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)