Template talk:Boeing military aircraft

Others
I'm not sure where some of these should go.


 * YAL-1·
 * OC-135·
 * RC-135 Rivet Joint·


 * E-4·
 * E-6·
 * E-10 MC2A

Where do observation aircraft go? Under Reconn? -Fnlayson 01:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * yes to Obser, and put YAL-1 per below. - BillCJ 02:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Prototypes
Should the Y planes be put on a Prototype line? -Fnlayson 01:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * We could change "Experimental" to add Prototypes, and put those there (like YAL-1). - BillCJ 02:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good!
I've doubled up a few entries, and got it down to seven lines. I don't think it's too crowded. However, if it does turn out to be too cramped, we can split into combat and non-combat pages - shouldn't bee too much overlap that way. - BillCJ 02:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea! There a lot of planes listed. -Fnlayson 02:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Are the craft listed on Chrono order? If so, the YAL-1 should be last on the Experimental/Prototypes line. -Fnlayson 03:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I usually use designation order on pages like this, but it depends alot on the product too. - BillCJ 03:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well there are a lot of the older planes that aren't listed numerically cause they have pre-'62 designations (KC-135, ?-137, etc). -Fnlayson 03:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Split
This thing is awfully big. What would you think of going ahead and dividing it? I think it would allow us to spread each category out a bit, and still not bee too long. We could use Template:Boeing combat aircraft for the combat planes, and keep this one for the others, but change the title line to "Boeing military transport and support aircraft". THoughts? If we're not sure about what to do, we could ask on WP:AIR for comments. - BillCJ 03:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds alright. So fighters, bombers, & attack helos, would go to the combat group, right?  Please bring it up on the Air page.  Might get some help there. ;). -Fnlayson 03:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

fighters, bombers, & attack helos, would go to the combat group - that's what I had in mind, yes. Do you mean bringing it up on WP:AIR before or after a split? (just to clarify) - BillCJ 03:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I say ask before. See if anyone has a better idea.  If there's not anything after a couple days go forward with the combat/transport & support split.  That's my suggestion anyway. -Fnlayson 04:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem - will ask. - BillCJ 04:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Done! Feel free to ammend/add to it as you like. - BillCJ 04:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I have both template set up on Template:Boeing combat aircraft. Take a look and see what you think. THe combat one is smaller than the support one, but the latter's not as big as the combined one. - BillCJ 04:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks fine. The spliting method is clear and logical.  They aren't even.. but oh well.  Seems like the easiest thing would to copy the non-combat part here and rename this template to "Boeing military transport and support aircraft".  -Fnlayson 04:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, copying it over was what I had in mind. It was very easy to copy this one twice to that page, and then just take out what I didn't need for each template. I tried as much as I could to move anything half-way combat related to that template. It also made it easy to compare them. THe one I'm kinda stuck on is the trainers list, as there's a basic trainer (PT-17 family), an advanced carrier trainer (T-45), and an awfully big navigation trainer (T-43). I'd like to have the T-45 on the combat page, but it may be too much of a stretch. Any thoughts?

Anyway, I've split them up, and will start to post on articles them during the day on Monday, hopefully. ANy help on that would be appreciated, as there's a LOT of articles to cover. But I'm not in too much of a hurry on that - we'll get done when we get done! - BillCJ 06:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Transports
Why is the CC-137 listed last on that line? I had it next to C-137, since they seem very similar, both being 707-based. -Fnlayson 14:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I was just trying to list them by designation, as the CF uses it's own system. I keep forgetting everyone else wants to list them by time period. Sorry! We can move it back. - BillCJ 15:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see what you mean. I guess it's one way or the other then. -Fnlayson 16:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, it's back after C-137. - BillCJ 16:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Splitting Transports line
The "Transport" line is pretty long, and will spill over with the next couple of additions. When it does (and I think we'll find a few more aircraft to add soon), I propose splitting it into separate categories. I'd probably go with Piston and Jet, similar to the division on the Boeing AIrliner templates. - BillCJ 16:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Piston and jet makes for a good way to split them. Would rotorcraft be split by piston/turbine engines as well (probably not a real factor)?  -Fnlayson 23:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Good. On rotorcraft, I don't think it's necessary here, esp as we haven't included the pre-Boeing Vertol piston engine helis by Piasecki and Vertol, and BV only made turbine models. It does brign up a good point, ans I don't think thee's a template for those models yet. We could make one for all the Piasecki/Vertol/BV modles, and remove the helicopters here. THe attack copters are slightly different, and were actyually under Boeing IDS, not BV/Boeing Helicopters. Just some ideas, don't know if we'd want to do it now though, or how. - BillCJ 23:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Humm, the piston aircraft could probably all fit on 1 template. That'd mean 3 for Boeing military: "Boeing military piston aircraft", "Boeing Combat jets" and "Boeing support jets".  But jets doesn't exactly cover helicopters.  That could be in 4th one as you say.  -Fnlayson 23:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Jeff, I think we crossed a wire: I was referring to the "Transport" line in the support template, that it could be divided if it went to two lines, which I think it will. I think the whole support template is OK as it is, tho removing the helicoters would free up some room. - BillCJ 00:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh! I thought you meant put piston aircraft on another template.  Two lines for Transports is fine.  Changed section label to match what you mean. -Fnlayson 00:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I've put together a test page for a Piaseki-Boeing helicopter template at User:BillCJ/Test Article 3, with Template:Boeing-Vertol in mind as the final template name. Take a look, and see what you think. As always, I'm open to suggestions. THanks. - BillCJ 03:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That looks fine to me. I meant Splitting in the section header.  My typing to so-so and goes to bad when rushing. -Fnlayson 04:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it was a typo, but was just trying to be light. I make enough typos myself that sure I can't fault anyone else! - BillCJ 05:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't want to have to "spit" up that line. ;) -Fnlayson 05:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed aircraft?
Should proposed only aircraft like the Boeing C-33 be included? Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)