Template talk:Catholic Church hierarchy sidebar

Existing discussion
There is an existing discussion about this template at Portal talk:Catholicism. — Asterisk *  Splat → 19:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Division of list into six groups
Greetings, Since the last time I viewed this list, it has grown to be large. IMO it was difficult to read & find a specific title. So I have moved titles into groups. Since this is the first revision with a new structure, I welcome any addition discussion for improvements, errors (there are some rarely used titles) to make this template even better. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't look, but can well imagine it was a mess before.
 * I think we go too far inserting these (there are dozens if not hundreds of others) as sidebars instead of navigational templates at the bottom of the article. It is distracting to have so much excess volume on the right of an article.
 * There is really only one terse hierarchy: Pope-->Bishop-->Pastor--->(laity). The problem with this template is that includes so much else that is confusing from a "hierarchy" point of view. Is a sexton higher or lower than a sacristan (and who cares, right?).


 * I think the template should be drastically pruned to ten articles at the most. The rest should be moved into a navigational template. Or maybe several templates. Student7 (talk) 22:56, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


 * @JoeHebda. The "hierarchical template would then be correct, confining itself to Catholics only. The other navigational templates involve titles/jobs that cross religious lines and are not strictly Catholic. Those could be broken into several navigational templates, as appropriate.Student7 (talk) 02:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Display error for "List of Princes and Grand Masters of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta"
Greetings, At Village Pump, Technical I will be asking for an expert to look at why this list displays with a "(" in front even though there is none in the wikicode line. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 12:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

what the heck is this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.144.220.2 (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Current picture
The template sidebar is currently displaying File:Gesupietrochiave.jpg. This image is cut by the Delivery of the Keys (Perugino) of the Italian painter Pietro Perugino and it doesn't display the chromatic opposition between Jude Iscariot the betrayer and St. Peter the Apostle.

I suggest to replace it with dated to the 5th-6th century AD. It shows a very different iconography of the couple of keys which was given by the Lord to Saint Peter.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Perugino's is a fairly recognizable treatment of the subject, and it is visually very clear. There is nothing wrong with it. Judas is not very important here. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone can cut images according to his preferences. Readers must dispplay the original painting, which has a chromatic contrast among the colours worn by St. Peter with his couPle of keys and the ones worn by Judas the Betrayer. Perugino identifies and depicts both of them as the key points of the subject. I don't think we need to show a higher artistic literacy than him.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 22:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you are talking about. The image in the template is cropped from the original painting, and it is this crop which is always shown to readers. What is "cut"? What are you doing with your absurd wikilink from Judas? I oppose your suggested image because it is not nearly as clear or striking. Elizium23 (talk) 00:29, 30 November 2019 (UTC)