Template talk:Maryland

Size
The footer is way too large and will force people to scroll I don't see the relevance of the governor here. All the other listings are places. There can be a MediaWiki:Maryland_cities but trying to include every remote political division or related topic of Maryland is absurd. --Jiang 02:43, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Which of the cities listed do you feel is a "remote political division"? I do not understand how you can claim that the Governor of Maryland is not relevant to Maryland. Tuf-Kat 02:50, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

A footer should not be a replacement for a List of Maryland-related topics. What does the governor have to do with the other items listed? Why not keep the subdivisions at the county level? It's more manageable that way. Footers should be made only for cities within each individual county. --Jiang 02:54, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * If a list of Maryland-related topics existed, it would contain many more links than were in this box. The Governor I could lose, but the cities are relevant.  I don't want to keep the subdivisions at the county level because the cities are far more relevant for learning about Maryland geography, and there are no "manageability" issues since neither cities nor counties change very often.  I'm not willing to argue this with you, Jiang, go ahead and do whatever you want.  Tuf-Kat 03:27, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

Notable cities
I believe that this title refers to both incorporated and unincorporated cities (or it should in any event). If it is only referring to officially incorporated cities, then the title is only relevant to 2 cities in Maryland, Annapolis and Baltimore (Boothy, Frederick? It has never, then or now, even in Antietam times, been an important city). --Noitall 13:03, August 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * I know for a fact that Bowie is incorporated (since I live there). -- tomf688  21:18, August 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * True, but that is not what I am stating. Notable "cities" refers to both incorporated and unincorporated cities, especially since Maryland is dominated by the latter.  --Noitall 01:00, August 31, 2005 (UTC)


 * Therefore, I would like to make the notable cities consistent with the Maryland page. Since I suppose it should be limited, I propose the following (any questions and I will go into my rationale -- and forgive me Tom for not including Bowie):
 * Annapolis | Baltimore | Columbia | Ocean City | Rockville | Towson

--Noitall 01:46, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Not Acceptable. , and until a appropate solution is compiled and reasonable resons for changes besides, "Frederick? It has never, then or now, even in Antietam times, been an important city, which is total bs based on the changes, then i will change it back to what it was at the start and will revert changes. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 05:37, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * This discussion has been here for awhile and you did not respond.  "Not acceptable" is not a reason and makes me think you have some POV town at stake here.  In any event, the notability should correspond in some manner with the Maryland page.  I think that can be pared down to what I proposed.  The problem with your proposal is there is no limit and nothing is notable. We might as well dump every single city and town in it.  My initial edit is the only workable proposal unless you want to make some argument more than "not acceptable".--Noitall 05:47, September 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * The only POV i see is from you, and i don't see you making an argument for any change. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 05:49, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * You are the one trying to revert and change my edit, you tell me what is wrong with it and why yours is better. I wrote a couple paragraphs on my rationale already.  We haven't heard anything from you except that you love Frederick.  --Noitall 06:00, September 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * A paragraph after someone challanged you n your edits, i didn't see you trying to discuss any changes before you did them, nor did i see you give any kinda of rational behind you changes untill i challanged you on it, and the only thing you could do was put up the bs Frederick statement. So the burden for changes from the start is in you hands, so unless you plan onhaving a revert war, then you mine as well start discussing. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 06:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

You are lazy and have stated some misleading statements, which does not get you off on a good start for any rationale that you refuse to state. See if you can use your brain instead of your revert button. Let me start you off here: Important cities and towns See incorporated cities at List of cities in Maryland and unincorporated cities at List of census-designated places in Maryland.

--Noitall 06:56, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Annapolis – state capital, home of United States Naval Academy
 * Baltimore – most populous city; commercial and cultural hub
 * College Park – D.C. suburb, home to the University of Maryland, College Park
 * Columbia – large unincorporated planned community managed by The Rouse Company; were it incorporated, it would be Maryland's 2nd largest city
 * Ellicott City – county seat of Howard County
 * Frederick – western gateway to Appalachian Mountains, suburban center
 * Hagerstown – largest community in 3 county Western Maryland region, has decaying industrial base
 * Ocean City – very popular beach resort on Atlantic coastline; 2nd most populous city in numbers of residents during the summer months
 * Rockville – county seat and business center of Montgomery County northwest of Washington
 * Salisbury – largest city and business center of Delmarva pennisula
 * Towson – county seat of suburban Baltimore County


 * Wow thats not even what was on the template you proposed, and would not say that you any less lazy then my self. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 06:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It was a direct cut and paste from the reference I gave twice on this page and which either your lazy eyes or your lazy brain refused to notice. Let's see if you can read what else I wrote about paring it down.  At least I am willing to consider any proposal you make, if you have ANY rationale at all, even going so far as to include your cherished city of Frederick (but reserving the right to keep laughing as to your assertion that "Frederick as that is one of the most important Cities in the state") --Noitall 07:11, September 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * You know what about about this, no change. you dont like it to bad, but i am not going to work with the likes of you. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 07:14, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Fine, this is not a charity where anyone has to edit article OR work with lazy POV pushing editors. Take your Frederick POV elsewhere.  --Noitall 10:19, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

U.S. state templates
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Harmonizing Template:Maryland
Finished harmonizing Template:Maryland User:BigBang11 00:05 PST 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm yeah, wasnt really harmonized. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Notable Cities
The previous Notable Cities list seemed to pick cities at random so I replaced it with one based strictly on population with a cutoff of 20,000.

Baltimore 636,251 Columbia 88,254 (unincorp) Silver Spring 76,540 (unincorp) Gaithersburg 58,091 Rockville 57,100 Frederick 57,009 Germantown 55,419 (unincorp) Bethesda 55,277 (unincorp) Bowie 53,840 Towson 51,793 (unincorp) Hagerstown 37,536 Annapolis 36,217 College Park 25,350 Waldorf 22,312 (unincorp) Greenbelt 22,176 Laurel 21,048 Cumberland 20,957 from http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/tables/SUB-EST2004-04-24.xls, unincorporated populations looked up at http://censtats.census.gov/cgi-bin/pct/pctProfile.pl Kmusser 19:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * This seems to be more/less the design of the page til recently, however it's still inconsistent (ignores many cases, and equates cities to unincorporated areas). The cities went down to 10,000 to get the "notable ones".  I split out the CDPs and listed those down to the same level.  A little larger than I'd like, but paring everything up to 20,000 will simply start the special-cases over again. Tedickey (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Standardization of state templates
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Ellicott City
I added Elliott City because it has a population of about 55000 and it is the county seat. Made a note here because my previous addition (Poolesville) was removed. Thanks --Hdt83 Chat 09:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Cities, CDPs out the ass... but no Towns?
This simply should not be. All towns seem to have been completely blown off in favor of a ton of CDPs. I'm not sure of the town count in Maryland, but I know that the current setup completely blows off Easton. This, to me, is unacceptable, considering that Frederick Douglass has plenty of history with the town.

Additionally, the amount of CDPs is appalling. Why so many? My biggest issue here is that there are so many that have no real significance other than being within the state of Maryland. Most people looking at Maryland wouldn't be thinking about... Arnold, per se. This thing really, really does need to have some sort of CDP standard.

Until that happens, though, I will add a Towns section. Easton should not be completely blown off like that. EDIT: And neither should Ocean City!! Yeah. A Towns section is something I'm starting NOW. EDITII: Okay, I saw the reason why the CDP section is so large. Getting every CDP with a population at or over 10,000 will lead to insanity come the 2010 Census numbers. There needs to be a better cutoff. I saw the argument for 20,000 causing issues, so how about 15,000? And removal of all CDPs that are redundant to another "main" area? Such as... Bel Air North and Bel Air South being removed in favor of the Town of Bel Air?&mdash;Onore Baka Sama(speak 18:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You may not like it, but the designation of towns and cities is up to the state of Maryland. The list of towns, cities, Census-designated places (CDP), and communities (if applicable) are included on the official list published by the state of Maryland. On the official list published by the state of Maryland, Easton, Maryland is classified as a town, and likewise for Ocean City, Maryland according to the state of Maryland.


 * How do I know?


 * Read what it says in the charter -- you can find this information provided by the state of Marylands about the locality. For example, Ocean City is chartered as a town, even though Ocean City has a city council. On the other hand, Easton mentions in on the first page of its charter that the state designates it as a town. Also, Easton mentions that it has a town council, not a city council. So, Ocean City and Easton are towns according their charters, and those are the facts that must be reflected in the articles, nothing less or more. Can you tell us where you're seeing anything other than this information for how the state of Maryland classifies these areas?


 * FYI, if a community does not, cannot, or decides against applying for and receiving a village, city, or town charter by the legislature (that's where these requests are handled at the end), those places will be designated in all likelihood as Census-designated places by the U.S. federal government because of population.


 * Therefore, encyclopedic articles are not crafted around opinions, emotions, or feelings; articles are based on verifiable, reliable, and credible information. And...the legislative history in this case qualifies in all areas. Otherwise, the erroneous information will be subject to correction where and when found.  → Lwalt ♦ talk 19:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ...Wow, you missed the entire point of what I said. I shall explain myself again in fewer words, since tl;dr is so popular:  There are a ton of pointless CDPs on the list, but not major towns such as Ocean City or Easton, which have far more cultural significance than some random DC suburb with a population over 10,000.


 * In case you did not notice, there was NO Towns section on the template until I posted this. Therefore, I put Ocean City in the Towns section that I made (thus, I know that OC is a town), which was not on the template whatsoever, prior.  I don't know what you interpreted my post as because it clearly was not read, but actually reading the post and confirming with the history would help.  &mdash;Onore Baka Sama(speak 22:11, 6 October 2010 (UTC)