Template talk:Opera terms

Opera?
As with the category opera terminology, it is unfortunate that this page is called "opera terms" when many of the phrases apply to more than just opera. It would be appropriate to rename it vocal or musical terms, and then have a subgroup for those terms which are used exclusively in opera. kosboot 14:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. That's an original comment. Separating opera terms from vocal and musical ones? Vocal and musical terms that originated in opera? Anyway this infobox was designed for use with opera articles. That's its purpose. I don't think it would be a good idea to rename it. If you want to create a new infobox for a different context while including some of these articles that would be fine - but please leave this one where it is! -- Kleinzach 14:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Will do. So I'm wondering how to deal with all the terms that I'd like to add.  Should I add all the terms first and then follow up with definitions, or add word and definition together?  And do I add them to the template or do others do that?  kosboot (talk) 17:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. I'm sure there are lots of terms we can add, however we need to start the articles first. They don't have to be very long, but they need to be sourced. Which reference work are you going to use? Grove? I can fix the template with new links when the articles are created. -- Kleinzach (talk) 23:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW I've added some articles I've just found on Tenor C, Soprano C etc. I'm not sure if they are accurate. I'm adding them to give them due exposure. -- Kleinzach (talk) 08:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Italics?
Should, as terms, the listings in this template be italicized? Hyacinth (talk) 11:52, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The use of italics for foreign terms would be correct for many entries in this template, but not for all. I think that would create an uneven, irregular look. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:14, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Sort by language
How about sorting the table contents by language, a la:

? Hyacinth (talk) 18:15, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That certainly breaks up the "wall of words" quite nicely. It may be disputed whether a number of terms listed as Italian are indeed seen that way: aria, bel canto, coloratura, diva, falsetto, intermezzo, legato, libretto, maestro, verismo, vibrato; "leitmotif" may also lack a strong connection to the Teutonic language these days. On balance, this proposal seems to me an improvement, except that I would drop the "Unknown" description from the last group. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Other than the words' derivation, I'm not sure that grouping by language is a good thing for (to me) it suggests that such words belong *only* to that language. Why not break things down alphabetically instead? -- kosboot (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

If one was to question whether a term like aria was Italian, this would require recategorization or clarification of many entries, such as aria, which had been categorized as Category:Italian words and phrases. Hyacinth (talk) 18:01, 25 November 2013 (UTC)