Template talk:Records in swimming

Records for the "Americas" do not exist at the moment (March 2008): they have not been tracked. The USA national records are referred to as "American Records", which may or may not be an accurate description (there is a possibility that they all are the fastest times in the hemisphere). South American Records are tracked (hence this page), but no North American Records, as a counterpart, exist. Hooperswim (talk) 04:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Alternate layout proposal
This template 'navigation box' is getting a little crowded. I have put together an alternative (see: User:Yboy83/Sandbox2) using the standard Navbox template. Any thoughts for further improvement? Happy for it to be implemented? Yboy83 (talk) 17:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Has been a few days, so later today I'll WP:BB and implement this updated navigation box template. Yboy83 (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine // S MARTSKAFT | &iquest; 15:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Flags
Per MOSFLAG:


 * We do not emphasize nationality without good reason as it leads to potential POV issues. i.e., using national flags in such a manner.


 * We don't accompany flags with country names. You make the assumption that flags help readers identify nations, whereas our policy takes the opposite approach - we can't assume that readers can readily identify national flags.  Thus, they are considered more of a nuisance than help when used in a table or a list.

--Madchester (talk) 21:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Madchester, the country aspect is part of the importance of the records. The items listed under the "...without good reason" deal with calling one of the Beatles and an English Beatles, solely to identify their nationality, when there aren't "the Beatles" from other countries. The national is part of the identity of each of these records: there are records from each country. Emphasis is appropriate: the records are the national records for the country name; recognized by a local national body. Denoting them with the national flag is relevant.
 * Per your second point, the MOS says to accompany flags with country name; it does not say to not accompany, as you have stated. That particularl MOS is related to making sure the country name appears with the flag, rather than the flag all by itself (in essence, the exact opposite of what has happened here: you've removed the flag for the name).
 * The flags aid in identification. They are not the only form of identification, nor am I suggesting they should be. I am suggesting what was there, the flag and the country name, should be there: not that the flag should replace the country name. The flags help: I do not view them as a nuisance, and in fact, their absence makes the template harder to read, rather than easier.
 * Another point: this template may be one of the few places where the flag and country name are connected. Hooperswim (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The flags also help to visually differentiate between the national records on the non-national records that are on the template. Hooperswim (talk) 18:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Meet records
Should meet records (i.e. fastest time done in the history of a particular meet) be included on the chart? Or be listed separately? The placement of the "Australian Championships" records next to the Oceania Championships marks is troubling, as this is a national-level meet in a space where regional or continental marks are listed in all the other cases. As most nations will have a meet record at their nationals, many could be placed there. The records tied to the World Championships and "games" (Olympics, Pan Ams, Asian) also would fit into the same group. Maybe they should move to "Other"? -- Hooperswim (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think "Australian Championships" should move to a new section like "National Championships", maybe together with the United States Short Course Swimming Championships records and others. I don't agree with the movement from World Cup and World/Europen Junior Championships. I think they belong to World/Europe.Montell 74 (talk) 21:13, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Junior Worlds meet records?
Um, where did the meet records for the Junior Worlds go? Wasn't there a page for them? (Which appears to have been over-written by the Junior World Records???) Hooperswim (talk) 19:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. I added the CRs. See also template "International swimming".Montell 74 (talk) 07:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)