Template talk:Yamanote Line

reverts
I have reverted the edits made to the template, pending a discussion and resolution here.

Please comment regarding the circle-style template or the list-style template. Comments from other perspectives is really helpful, although I don't know if this talk page is going to seen by anyone who isn't already somewhat familiar with Tokyo and the trains there in general. I've also started a list of reasons to choose one style or the other, based on my understanding on the complaint. Neier 11:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The case for the circle

 * Yamanote is famous for its loop... why not show it?
 * Graphically, it is easier to see that Shinagawa is close to Tokyo, and not so close to Shinjuku. Without counting stations on the list, it is difficult to see that.
 * Is this an argument that is better suited for travel wiki?
 * To anyone familiar with Tokyo, and wanting to quickly navigate around the stations in wikipedia, the circle is much more natural.
 * Avoid "why does the line start there and not here" questions.

The case for the list

 * Standardize with templates for other lines
 * Standardize with Japanese wiki
 * Circle is too large
 * Terminal stations are Shinagawa and Ōsaki only (often Ikebukuro). --Izumi5 04:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Circle would not fit for the Hide/Show. --Izumi5 04:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Need not to be a circle if the first and the last of list are the same. --Izumi5 04:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments
I liked the circle better, personally... -William McDuff 03:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I also like the circle, which is why I didn't use the same template for Yamanote that I had been using for the other lines.

Somewhat off-topic, but I'm confused by the order of the list, even though it matches the Japanese page. Starting with Shinagawa is one matter, and I think we can beat that argument to death, but at the end of the day, it's still the first station. But, I always thought Ōsaki was the defacto end of the line, since that's where the trains are taken out of service each night (I've been stuck there a few times, waiting for the next train to take me on around). Why is clockwise chosen? Neier 11:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I modified the Yamanote Line template to use a template like the Japanese ones. The railway line pages are getting too long with the line templates as is so I modified the Yamanote line one to be a simple list (with Shinagawa the zero point listed twice) rather than a circle. I also removed the background colour. I think you'll find this much nicer. By using a template it's also much easier to get the formatting consistent.Softgrow 01:56, 4 October 2005 (UTC). Thinking further about this I don't think showing the structure of the line belongs on an article about the station. The circle is something that the line has but as far as each station goes, it is connected to two others, only. I prefer the list.Softgrow 11:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's only about a line or two of text taller, so size isn't really that much of an issue, is it? However, Softgrow is right in that it doesn't much look like the other templates. Perhaps a compromise? Can you make the title more like the other templates, with yellow bars on each side, and switch the background color to white? And Softgrow, with a circular line like this, having a circular list of stations actually is clearer, as the connection to each station remains, merely clockwise or anti-clockwise, which is how it is. I'd be curious to see how JR lists it officially, however. -William McDuff 13:20, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the circle simply because the Yamanote is a circle and that's how the trains move along it. Actually it's two circles: the clockwise outer circle and the counterclockwise inner circle. (Note that the "why start here" as an official answer from JR: Osaki is the official shuten.) As it is, the table does look a bit clunky, but that means it should be improved, not eliminated. Vincent 00:29, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

If we can get the station names to line up better, I like the reduced height version. Tried to do a version with stripes, with mediocre success. -William McDuff 01:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the reduced height one is a bit less clear. Hard to follow. Still like to have the stripes in there somehow. -William McDuff 01:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Could someone please add notation as to which direction is the inner loop and the outer loop? It would make interpreating schedules and identifying platforms easier. -Jeremy Theil 01:58, 1, November 2007 (MST)