User:Deiz/archive1

Talk archive 1, Dec 05 - Mar 06

Music
Good taste in music, a man with a mind like yours ought to check out Kyuss ;) - FrancisTyers 01:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Takashi Hasegawa: Afd nomination inquiry.
Hello,

I noticed that you recently tagged the article on Takashi Hasegawa for deletion? Why is that? Folajimi(talk)


 * No hard feelings. Thanks for the link to the guide on Notable subjects. For whatever it is worth, I agree with (and support) your arguments for the article's deletion. Cheers. Folajimi(talk)

West Lorne
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid the entirety of my contact with West Lorne has been a three-week teaching practicum at West Elgin Secondary School in 1989, under Robert Karn, whom your girlfriend may remember if she went to high school there (Mr. Karn was planning to retire in 2000; so it depends how long ago she went there). I never saw much of the town as I was living in London, Ontario at the time and hitched a ride back and forth, which I had to be at the school for.

I suppose I could make a couple of small additions, such as mentioning the school, and putting the town's coördinates, and a link to a satellite view. Also, I don't believe that West Lorne is directly south of London – more westsouthwest, I thought. I'll check a map. It is also just off Highway 401, which has an article that I could link to.

As for teaching in Saudi Arabia, that seems to be a man's job, as virtually everything seems to be over there. If your girlfriend would like to teach there, her only hope would be to land a position at a girls' or women's institution. There's no way she'll be allowed to teach men. And of course, she would have to be all right with wearing exceedingly modest Islamic clothing, at least in public. In some places, though, including Jubail Town, and sometimes Jubail Industrial City (two distinct towns), foreign non-Moslem women can get away with showing their faces, and even their hair – something otherwise considered very risqué in the KSA – in public.

If all this puts her off, she might consider a neighbouring country if she has her heart set on living and working in that part of the world. Bahrain, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates are all rather less strict than Saudi Arabia.

I hope that helps.

By the way, how is Portugal for English teaching? Kelisi 02:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Well, I've made some minor improvements to the West Lorne, Ontario article, including a link to a satellite image (yes, I'm sure that place in the picture is West Lorne). Kelisi 02:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Christine Belle
You made a good point that the article on the band isn't up for deletion. Do you suggest I make an article on the band instead and include a section on the director? You probably know what it feels like to have your article deleted though. Also, for future reference, don't say "OMG". It makes you sound stupid... schyler 03:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

c'mon
I wasn't trying to be mean. Yah, I was kind of mad, but that doesn't mean you have to go on a rant about all the things I did wrong. I'm sorry if you took it personally. I just forgot to sign my comment that one time. I did read the criteria, and it looked to me like she was notable enough because it says right there in black and white that if the person has placed or won a major music competition they are notable. And about all the red links: maybe someone should make a page about it. Again, i'm sorry if you took it personally (which it sound like you did). schyler 03:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC) (happy?)

Re: North Berwick
Oops, looked fine when I did it! I rearranged the images again and it seems to look OK. Thanks for letting me know :Supergolden:: 21:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks!
Okay, this is perhaps a bit overdue, but thank-you for your support in my recent RfA! I passed with a final vote count consensus of (82/1/0), which was a lot of support that I really appreciate. I'll try to live up to the expectations; and on that note, if there's ever something I do wrong (or don't do right), please spit in my general direction. Cheers! --P e ruvianLlama(spit) 05:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

More Liberty Dollar
After further research and reflection, I've come to believe that the Liberty Dollar entry should be merged with "Private currency" or "Community money" and redirected accordingly. This merge would help put this controversial topic into a broader context it desperately needs. Thank you for your participation. BrianGCrawfordMA 18:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I beg to differ
I drew that heartagram. Yes, the actual sign is copyrighten by HIM (and partialy by Bam Margera) but that's an original. That's like saying no one can draw one. I stated that I drew the heartagram, not that I own it. I'm not sure about this whole thing though. If you want to bring it up at WP:AN, that's fine. I'm not clear as to if my creation is a violation or not. M o e  ε  05:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How are you the "creator of this work"? This is as clear-cut a case of copyright violation as I've yet seen on WP. It's the intellectual property and trademark of HIM, which in turn Bam Margera has sub-licensed for a fee. Just because you drew a copy of it in MSPaint doesn't mean you created it, much less have the right to release it into the public domain under the GDFL - what if you did the same to the McDonald's M? You even gave it the filename "HIM logo". There is a tag for "logo" which you should immediately apply to this image. Copyrighted images can only be used on WP to identify the artists and works they belong to, which does not include being part of a WP editor's signature. This is exactly what all the picture licensing controls are designed to avoid. ++Deiz 05:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Your signature
I just noticed noticed something myself about your signature; it doesn't link to anything. I was going to go to your user page by clicking on your signature to find that it has no links. This is what is currently reads as your signature:

 ++Deiz 

Maybe you could go through and add some links to it? M o e  ε  14:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Gee... I thanks you for your kind remarks about me here. I didn't think anyone was going to see my message to Gators222 about the images but I guess I was wrong. ;-) Thanks again. M o e   ε  00:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Athletes Copyvio
Hey thanks for catching that copy vio however could you note which page exactly was copied? Or was it many? I was just going through AFDs and if its just one large copy paste from that website i going to vote to delete it, but if its only parts it'd influence my decision a bit. Thanks! Mike (T C) 06:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice the prohibition in the copyright violation notice you added against making edits until after I made one: sorry. However, it looks like you did not complete the submission of the possible violation - at the top of it there are some instructions to follow starting with "If you have just labeled this page as a possible copyright infringement, please add the following:  Consequently, it does not appear to be listed on Copyright problems.  Additionally, looking at that site, they have fairly lenient copyright permission: "Permission is granted to all to take material from this site, subject to the following two conditions: (1) Material used must be attributed to www.islam-qa.com, (2) Material must be reproduced faithfully and without alteration or omission." Schizombie 10:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

NORFED etc.
Quoting: But funnily enough you don't edit on topics concerning democracy, religion or freedom of association, do you Lance? In fact, it would appear that with very few exceptions in the 3 weeks you have been a contributing editor you only concern yourself with contributing to the Liberty Dollar article. Given your in-depth additions, link scattering, photo uploads and patronising edit summaries you might forgive me for harbouring suspicions that you are a NORFED "associate" who chooses to hide that fact... In fact, very few seem to be able to admit to being an associate when casting votes on this topic. Such editors do a great disservice to the ideals of Wikipedia, I hope you'll agree. Deiz 01:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi,


 * If you mean by that: Am I wise enough to leave huge sections of Wikipedia alone in areas where I am not extremely knowledgeable? You bet--I limit my involvement (or tampering--you choose) to areas where 1) I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about; and 2) where there's a SERIOUS need to fix it.  I used to be a Registered Investment Advisor with the US Securities & Exchange Commission & branch manager of a nationwide investment banking firm.  Yes I'm a NORFED member, no I don't hide it--no one's asked  (never thought about it actually; since I'm one of the very few around here using their full-name, it wouldn't be hard to figure-out I'm a NORFED member).  I belong to NORFED because I know what I do about finance!  While I could edit Christianity pages (I'm working on a Doctorate in Ministry right now), I don't see the wildly uneducated rants & accusations there, like is on the Liberty Dollar page.  PS: not sure where you got the 3 months editing figure...well over a year, probably 2 would be more accurate.  Take care, --Lance W. Haverkamp 07:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Amstrad CPC AfD
Hi Deiz, AfD is about whether a particular topic is appropriate for Wikipedia and not about the current state of the article. If there are excessive redlinks or inappropriate bluelinks, or if the article is incomplete, these are content issues and can be remedied through normal editing processes outside AfD. In determining whether an article topic is suitable for Wikipedia, the closing admin's responsibility is to determine whether there is consensus on the issue, rather than to decide which side is right. Rationales contrary to Wikipedia policy should not be viewed as contributing to the consensus, but I don't really see that here: for the most part the debate seemed to be about whether or not this list served a function separate from that of a category. I saw no consensus on this issue (certainly no supermajority) so I closed it as a no consensus. You can request that the decision be reviewed at Deletion review, if you like. Hope this helps, and if you have any other questions, please do let me know! Babajobu 07:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Deiz, I referred to it as an article in the sense that all entries at AfD are "Articles for deletion". "As the closing admin I'm sure you looked at the list - does it serve a purpose separate to the existing category?" It appeared to me that this was an issue about which reasonable could (and did) disagree. My job wasn't to decide who was right, but to determine consensus. As you point out, it often only takes a few people to earn a "No consensus" on an AfD. The schools AfDs went on for months with school articles earning "no consensus" because a number of users felt strongly that they should be kept. Whether we like it or not, this is how AfD works for now, though it's also one of the reasons why so many people have requested that the AfD process be replaced with something else. For the time being, though, it's what we've got. I sympathize with you when you say that you don't understand why this entry should be in an encyclopedia...I think all of us here at Wikipedia can name numerous articles about which we feel that way. Again, sorry I can't be of more help, and remember again that you are welcome to take the issue to Deletion review to get some more feedback. Regards, Babajobu 15:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

List of Amstrad CPC games
Hi Rob, no shit the list contains lots of misdirected blue links and lots more besides... you can see my crusade to sort out this nightmare listcruft with the original AfD and the deletion review. However, the page has just survived AfD with no consensus - > keep, and also survived Deletion Review with "keep and cleanup" so I don't think it should be redirected right now. As per guidance from JzG, if the article isn't attended to by those who saved it, it will be renominated in due course. However, after all the recent debate over this page I don't think it should just be hidden and I'm going to revert the redirect. Hope you agree. De<FONT COLOR="#9900CC">iz</FONT> 12:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I won't revert, but here's how I feel. We default to "keep" on "no consensus", because delete is permanent,and not easily reversed (more so in the past).  We don't want to destroy information.  That's the reason for the vote, and the caution.  A redirect isn't a delete.  No info is lost.  Anybody can undo it.  Editors are told to not go to AFD when it can be avoided.  Redirecting is simply one type of regular edit.  Like any other one, it doesn't require consensus support or a vote.  Now if anybody contests a redirect (as has happened) than it's inappropriate to reimpose a redirect without a vote.  That's why I'll leave it.  But, I stress that there's a huge difference between a redirect and a delete.  A delete (in Wikipedia) is like salting the Earth (or maybe scorch the Earth).  For all practical purposes, information generally  lost forever, and all work in an article is wasted (very unwiki).  But, the redirect is harmless *if* done once.  --Rob 16:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with the technical side of your argument - that deletion is different to redirect - but you're missing my point. The page was kept on condition it gets cleaned up. If you hide it behind a redirect, nobody gets to see it and it stays the same. If somebody had redirected this before it went to AfD, then great. This article has been through AfD and deletion review, the decision was to "keep and cleanup". Not to "pretend it isn't there but if somebody really wants to deal with it and is prepared to do some digging in the history it could get re-instated sometime in the future". I genuinely want to see if anybody will deal with this list. If nobody cares about it then it isn't encyclopedic information and it's getting nominated again. You obviously have a good grasp of Wiki policy but you have to consider the merits of each case too. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990099">D</FONT><FONT COLOR="#669900">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#9900CC">iz</FONT> 20:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, you have a fair point. A redirect before an AFD is better. One after an AFD, has some problems. I've done this before, but on articles that never had an AFD. Another controversial approach, is to remove most of the information, but not all. This follows WP:V (which says unverified info can be removed). This leaves the cleanup tag/category in place, but no false information. Strip it down to a about half dozen valid/confirmed items, move the rest to the talk page, and slap a "incomplete list" tag on it (so people know it's incomplete). Anyways, I won't do further edits on this page, as I acknowledge I don't have a good solution. --Rob 20:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Marduk
You shouldn't have change Marduk: World Funeral description it was there for a long time. I just updated the album with an infobox. Are you sure the rest of the information was not true? Please put an answer on my talk page User talk:Death2. Death2 16:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">D</FONT><FONT COLOR="#669900">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">izio</FONT> 13:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Death2
OK! Thanks for the tips. I apologize for "shouldn't have". I just wanted to say that the information was relativly good, and the article was edited shortly after I updated it, when you noticed that it was recently edited. Before that it was lacking attention... Anyway I hope you understood what I am trying to say and the article is probably better this way. As for my English... By the way Children Of Bodom rock! Death2 07:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: VfD for "Masters of Destruction"
I liked what you implied in your words to User:JJay about how he should clean up the article if he's heard so much about its subject. I think it's the worst kind of hypocrisy to vote to keep an article and then refuse to fix it when reasonably asked to do so, but I may hold a minority view. See User talk:BrianGCrawfordMA for some rather nasty responses to my request to clean up Sexual Victimization of Native American Women. As I recall, five voted to keep it, and it was kept. I didn't even know about the VfD or get to vote, but rather found the article later. It remained substandard, so I left messages on the talk pages of those users who voted to keep, asking them to fix the article. Well, they didn't like this very much, and gave me a piece of their vengeful, petty little minds. The funny thing was that in the time it took for them to tell me what they thought about me asking them to help, they could have fixed at least one sentence of the article. Brian G. Crawford 20:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Written in Portuguese, ask me if you want it in English instead
Minha resposta a sua mensagem: Perdão senhor, talvez tem razão, mais não vou perder tempo com isto. Não creio que uma explanação em muitas detalhes é necessária. Você não deve agir tão grosseiro tampouco. Até logo. ε γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  23:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Estou esperando. ε  γκυκλοπ  αίδεια  *  23:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

What are you on about?
Hey Deiz, I edited Richard O'Brien to tone down refs to two Richard O'Briens. You revert to a previous version and in the edit summary state "Reverting to remove absurd edits. If you want to continue this bizarre "2 richard o'brien" nonsense then I'll see you on the talk page." Precisely what "bizarre nonsense" do you mean, and what were my "absurd edits"? Moriori 01:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Rocky Horror
They had a go at these too: The Rocky Horror Show, The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Arniep 02:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you, good sir! By the way, I don't know if you are interested in skateboarding at all, but I might be starting a Wikiproject:Skateboarding (temporarily at User:Liface/Skateboarding.

Lol
Thanks for your support vote, even if it was a little late :-) --kingboyk 04:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You got it <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">D</FONT><FONT COLOR="#669900">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">izio</FONT> 12:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

User Help
I'd like for you to answer the questions outlined in the Ncaabbs deletion discussion page. Those have not been addressed, and I have now asked for the 3rd time. Thanks. Techfan 05:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">D</FONT><FONT COLOR="#669900">e</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">izio</FONT> 10:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for your support in my RfA. It passed, with a final tally of 62/0/1. I'm touched by all the kind comments it attracted, and hope I'll be of some use with the new tools. You know where I am if you need to shout at me. Flowerparty ■ 17:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks for supporting my RFA. I really appreciated the show of support and all the kind words from so many great Wikipedians. I hope I live up to them! -- Vary | Talk 17:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment
If you actually looked at the posts I made, I didn't ask for flooding. I asked for user help b/c when you have nearly 14,000 members some are bound to use wikipedia. Newspaper writers get their stories FROM US. Go pick up the Toledo Blade and see how many times "a message board" is mentioned in abstract as the source of rumors, stories, discussion, recruiting talk, and debate. Of course we didn't link those articles b/c they don't outright mention us... but there is flat out NO OTHER big Toledo forum on the 'net. You do the math. There's similar stories and scenarios for our various other active areas.... our Memphis staff are frequently on the football broadcasts pre and/or post game.... there's been a feature on a NIU fan on our site (huskiemobile.com)... and I could go on forever. I would go pull up countless other wiki entries for sites less worthy, but I'm trying to limit the space here.

Before I bothered registering I did a truckload of submitting and editing for Georgia Tech related entries... I created the Paul Hewitt page... touched up and updated most every other major one as well. Having liked it, I donated and registered here. Now that I see how things have changed after the Siegenthaler Wiki-Bio drama (thank you for helping point out the glaring deficiencies) I will make sure steady stream of cash is stopped because I sure as hell don't want to finance 'holier-than-thou' mobs.

And by the way... any mod who lists Alexa as a reason to include/exclude any site in wikipedia... and the site isn't in the Top 250 or so... they should be removed as mod, hunted down, and shot to prevent their stupidity from spreading to the rest of the world through breeding. Give me a domain and 20 people with an Alexa toolbar installed and I'll give you a site that magically jumps into the top few thousand. Georgia tech swagger 00:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF6600">z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">io</FONT> 01:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bechna.com
Hi, how's it going. You closed this AfD as no consensus. Did you mean to? The few votes to keep were backed up by nothing more than the weakest rationales while many of the greater no. of votes to delete were from long standing editors with reasoned rationales. Admins have to do more than count votes and apply their own basic math formula when making decisions, in the spirit of holding admins accountable for their actions I have to say I find this decision strange. Do you consider votes such as "Weak keep, looks like possibly notable in India" to be significant? Have you seen the article and site? I´ll be taking this to deletion review. Hopefully you'll have a chance to look at the article in question, the site and the AfD debate and join me there, Cheers. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF6600">z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">io</FONT> 11:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Deiz, as you may have seen from the previous message left on my talk page, about my closure of Articles for deletion/Artbox, I do indeed take closures very seriously. I appreciate that you may consider the comments of the people who supported keeping the article to be weak, but on the other hand, the rationales of those who supported deletion were fairly weak also ("advertising/nn website", for example). Samir did offer a good reason, however I can't consider that the people who contributed before him agreed with him. As a final factor, the comments of Bluesargam tended to weigh against Samir's comments. Also note that an article reading like advertising is not a problem requiring deletion. So ultimately there is no consensus here. That said, I have no objections to another nomination in a week or two which is based on Samir's argument from the beginning. --bainer (talk) 11:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I do see that and I appreciate your reasoning and prompt reply, a quick sniff around also tells me that you're a solid admin. I still don't see what's good about this page, and there is absolutely no verification that this subject is notable. I also don't know what value a "Conditional keep" vote has, that's just indicriminate inclusionism. I am constantly frustrated by the ability of a couple of people with vested interests in an article, and a couple of blind inclusionists to be able to keep through no consensus something which so blatantly doesn't belong. Admins have to be guided by policy as well as the AfD debate. However, per your reply I will hold off on deletion review and see if anyone can verify this articles worthiness. Nice one <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF6600">z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">io</FONT> 12:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC).


 * You're welcome. On the subject of "conditional keep", it is essentially a message to the closing admin to interpret the person's comments in a certain way depending on what happens between their comment and when the debate closes. For example, it is quite common for people to say something like "Conditional keep, if someone provides some sources. Otherwise, delete." Thus, if no sources have been provided by the time the discussion is closed, the closer can interpret the comment as supporting deletion. This is useful because most people only visit an AfD once during the time it is open. --bainer (talk) 10:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="Thanks " style="background:#B5DBAF; border:1px solid #063; margin:0.5em; padding:0.5em;"> Thanks  Thanks for your recent support on my RfA which passed 91/0/0. If you ever need anything, feel free to leave me a message! Gflores Talk 05:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Bechna.com
Please don't take the stuff on the AfD too personally.. However, creating a WP account solely to create one article, and one on a commercial web venture at that, does not create the most positive impression in the minds of other editors. It may be that the entry is kept this time because there is no overall consensus to delete. In such case, you should strive even harder to improve the article as it can always be renominated. If it does get deleted, either as a result of this AfD or a future vote, please dont despair. Read the policies (listed at the top of the page) especially WP:WEB. My essay at WP:CHILL might also help. You can always try again when the site meets the criteria. Deizio 03:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed entirely, your article will probably be a no-consensus keep. Have a look around the encyclopedia and see if there is anything else that you can help contribute to. If you have questions, feel free to ask on my talk page. -- Samir (the scope) 01:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DVR2006"

Hello, I hope its ok I post here. I would like to kindly request that the msg on bechna.com be removed. The article is not a commercial website like you mentioned. It is a completely free site that is one of the leading free online classifieds sites in India. Please let me know what you think is not accurate in the article. DVR2006 16:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

...
posting here is the only way I saw to communicate to you. Calling you Bozo seemed approproriate seemed in line with your "meat sock puttpet" remark, whatever that means? And as far as leaving an invitation to engage in a discussion by a reference to an article on a nova pbs cite by a forensic anthropologish a "racial remark," you really need to grow up!. This is a reply to your juvenile remarks on an administrator's website. will31415923:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm not interested in this debate anymore. Please sign your posts using ~ which will produce your hyperlinked name and the date/time when you save the page. Sockpuppetry is when a user posts under multiple personalities, not necessarily multiple named accounts. Kingboyk's cleanup of the page demonstrated you to be unfamiliar with how to sign your posts, and I agreed with him on that page that there was no sockpuppetry involved. I don't know what "nova pbs cite" means. You left a remark about Kinuki's race/social construct userbox and the only reason you viewed his page was because he voted on this AfD. As for my remarks being juvenile, that's your opinion and you're welcome to express it. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF6600">z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">io</FONT> 00:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA vote
You might want to fix your vote here. You forgot to number it. AucamanTalk 12:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thx for the spot, I did number it but also manged to bullet it which overrides the number, doh! Nice one <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#990000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF6600">z</FONT><FONT COLOR="#990000">io</FONT> 12:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)