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German Soldier House
Hi. I am writing you because you seem to be the mail contributor of German Soldier's House, an article whose factual correctness seems is doubtable to me, because no actual historical proof seems to be existant. Please look over at the talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.168.6.211 (talk • contribs).

Mapy
Serdecznie zapraszam do edycji Atlasu historycznego na Wikibooks Proszę o odpowiedź na http://pl.wikibooks.org/wiki/Dyskusja_Wikipedysty:Dawid —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

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Request for opinion
Halibutt, hi, I know we haven't agreed on some things in the past, but I do value your opinion on many things Poland-related. I know that you've worked on articles related to Polish Army officers, and I was wondering if you could take a moment to offer your opinion at this discussion? (caveat: It's about one of my relatives) Articles for deletion/Antoni Dunin (2nd nomination). It's my feeling that the debate could definitely benefit from more opinions from people who are actually familiar with the topic area. Thanks, Elonka 17:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and we'll see! Unfortunately there are a lot of politics going on, and I'm afraid that the article is being judged on other things than just its merits.  :/  If it's deleted, I would find that sad, since I think that it's currently in better shape than most of the other articles at Category:Polish Army officers!  I do wish we could find out why he was awarded the Virtuti Militari, but if nothing else, I was very interested in the information that you found, especially about the Battle of Bzura.  I was wondering, do you think you could find out which battle that Antoni's older brother died in?  The one in the Wojciech Kossak painting? The Death of Stanisław       Dunin,  Śmierć Porucznika Stanisława Dunina.  I was thinking that if there's an article about the incident somewhere on Wikipedia, perhaps I could donate an image of the painting.  I know very little about his military career or death, except "starszy syn Stanisław poległ śmiercią walecznych w r. 1920 pod Maciejowicami."  Thank you again for the help, Elonka 08:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't tell much about the other of your ancestors. In 1920 the village of Maciejowice in Masovia (or rather nearby Kobylnica; the battlefield of Kościuszko's earlier Battle of Maciejowice) was quite notable as the furthest point up the Vistula the Soviet Mozyr Group reached. There were some fights with Russian front guards there during Piłsudski's offensive (see the article on the Battle of Warsaw (1920) for more info), but the picture show some fights in the winter and in the winter of 1919-1920 the Bolsheviks were some 800 kilometres to the east of Maciejowice. Besides, judging by the Russian uniforms, the picture you linked seems to show a scene from the 1860 January Uprising rather than the 1919-1920 war. This might be a poetic representation (you know, like Bonaparte dressed in Roman armour), but the snow definitely is something fishy. Sure, there are other villages of that name in Poland, but all of them were outside of the Soviet sphere of control in 1920.  // Halibutt 12:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and that rings a bell. When I was a child, I remember someone telling me that the painting was indeed a stylized version of Stanislaw's death, and that there hadn't really been snow on the ground! I also remember them saying something about how it was more of a skirmish than a full-out battle.  The story that the painting is representing, is that of an ambush -- the enemies (Russians?) had been pretending to be a civilian family, and then as the Polish cavalry approached, the Russians threw off their covering blanket or something and then attacked.  The painting shows someone on the sled firing a handgun directly at Stanislaw (you can see the muzzle flash if you look closely at the painting), but from what I was told, that's stylized too, as he wasn't actually killed by that kind of small-arms fire.  Another art expert that I spoke to, who didn't know much about military history, was quite impressed by some of the other artistic elements of the painting, saying that there were some breakthroughs in terms of perspective or foreground/background elements in that period of art...  I wish I could remember more.  I do know that Wojciech Kossak has done a lot of work on patriotic Polish paintings, so there was probably something else that was being represented here about that area or the style of the fighting there, I'm not sure. My father told me that when he was in Poland, he remembered someone showing him a book of Kossak's artwork which talked more about this particular painting, and I think also held some earlier sketches of the same setting, but I've been unable to locate exactly which book.  There's a museum somewhere in Poland that has an entire wing of Kossak artwork, yes?  Perhaps they have a bookshop, hmm...  The link to the January Uprising is also interesting, as I know that there were other family members involved with that.  The painting was probably commissioned by Rodryg Dunin.  His grandmother Agnieszka Baranowska was a well-known playwright in Poznan, and her husband Stanislaw Baranowski (Rodryg's grandfather), another Army officer, died in the January Uprising.  So that link might have been deliberate!  But that's all just guesswork.  Oh, and the other painting of the man in uniform at my "paintings" page.  I'd be happy to donate an image of that as well, if you could figure out where it would be useful. :) Anyway, thanks again for the help, 10:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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PoeticBent and the Free City
So tell me, what convinced you?

PoeticBent cited two things:
 * Other articles which use Kraków, many of which he moved himself. It's entirely possible that some of them should have it, by WP:NCGN; if it would help, I'll make that point.
 * Policy references which do not say what PoeticBent says they do.

If you are in fact reacting to the appalling baiting going on, please consider that this, in the long run, gives the "victory" to the side with the least scruples and greatest numbers; destroying WP's civility and credibility in the process. Tempting though this must be, are the odds with you? and is it worth it? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

History of Warsaw
I'd suggest you don't waste your time on trying to convince some Lithuanian editors to our POV; it is as stressfull as it is ineffective. Instead, why not try to finish History of Warsaw project? I am sure it will be much less stressfull and much more rewarding.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You know its not true. We have dozens of long articles that vandals rarely touch.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 06:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And all articles were related to Lithuania. Do you see a trend? If they don't want our help, let them be. We have plenty of Poland-related topics to develop. I am all for waiting 10 years and seeing if by then we get more editors from those parts who understand words like 'cooperation' and 'consensus', but I am not ready to let few extremists chase me off this project when there is still so much work to do in areas which they don't frequent. Again, I urge you to start work on History of Warsaw, and for each trolling you suffer during it I pledge to buy you a case of beer :) How does that sound? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately in my areas of interest there's barely anyone but extremists. Sure, it was fun to browse through hilarious delusions by Nico, Zyvinbudas or Dr.Dan, but it is fun no more. Once I had plenty of time to write articles - and some of them must've been nice. However, currently my time is limited and I really don't like the idea of wasting it on writing articles for the bunch of hammers to vandalize just for the sake of it. Ever seen Lokyz, M.K. or Dan provide a single piece of evidence to their claims? Nope. Then why should I be better then they are? If they can do harm to this project and go unpunished, then there's no place for me here. Sad but true. I'll let them play their games in peace. Mądry głupiemu ustępuje, or something along those lines.  // Halibutt 17:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why should you be better then they are is rather obvious. And please, show me a non-Lithuania topic you wrote an article recently on and that was subject to trolling?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If Wiki is a restaurant, it's a big one. If you insist on eating in the troll section, and complain that they insult you - tough luck. There are many other sections with nice, cultural and friendly people, who appreciate what you do. Again, I urge you: don't get involved with trolls, edit something else. If you don't enter their small section, they will cease to exist for you.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I like your metaphores. But few points of order: 1) is the Lithuanian cuisine all you like? 2) Several people have seen the problem, but it appears that the crazy chief goes nuts only when he see Poles - and as few people frequent the Polish-Lithuanian corner, few people see the problem. I believe that the Lithuanian restaurant is an exception to the rule one bad restaurant in the city odoesn't mean that all food is bad there. One again I think you would solve all your problems if you could just give up on Lithuanian cusine for a few years. I am sure that soon enough, more migrants from that place will come to our Wikitown, and drive out the chief and his troll-aids who wreck their reputation, anyway.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

As for evidences you failed to provide single academic source to "Expulsions of Poles" claims. Maybe this read will help you clear your mind. It's about Belarus, but I do doubt situation seriously was different In Lithuania. And yes your metaphors really show your level of culture and bias.--Lokyz 14:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

My final argument: in the end, Wikipedia is on the right track. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Ok, I admit I could have and should have handled myself better regarding the last message. But I could not help after reading your posts on Piotrus talk about mad chefs, ultras, and other nice words.

This the very first and the very last time I ranted (BTW, 12 days shy of one year anniversary). I left, healed myself, stopped caring, and returned. In other words, moved on. Now you, on the other hand, have been ranting ever since. So I am just trying to understand, having been in the very same shoes, why don't you move on (either direction)? Renata 20:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Kraków: 1918 to the present
Thank you for making the text clearer. OTOH, the opening phrase, "the only major pre-war Polish city that was left in Poland after the war" is, strictly speaking, incorrect. Łódż, of roughly similar size to Kraków, wasn't badly destroyed either.

BTW, the sentence as it is now "As the only [...] Polish city that was left in Poland after the war, Kraków remained relatively undamaged..." doesn't read very well IMHO. I'll try to improve it.--Jotel 13:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

wirtualnapolonia - unreliable
I think you'd be interested in the Polish kitchen cookings by your friend, to experience the true taste of cookies presented  as an academic references. Feel free to express yourself.--Lokyz 23:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have removed that ref from the artile; the tone is really not appopriate for our project.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 04:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

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Articles to create
Are you planning to finish User:Halibtt/Jerzy_Wo%C5%82kowicki, User:Halibutt/Orli%C3%B1ski, User:Halibutt/Kowel?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Lviv Rail Terminal
I think you got some explaining to do here for these two edits,. I would like you to state your position, and explain why, the second edit was carried out with no statement on the talk page, even though i already put it. --Kuban Cossack 12:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reversions made on October 11 2007 to Karolina Proniewska
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 24 hours. Nishkid64 (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you were wondering: Revert1, Revert2, Revert3, Revert4 (partial revert, but you still re-inserted material previously removed). Nishkid64 (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: User seized editing the article 24 hours ago. Uninvolved editor should simply warn him to stop revert warring. No point to block him to stop the war as war have already ended as the user stopped editing the article. A stern warning to stay away from an article for, say, another 24 hours and that he may be blocked if he resumes edit warring would have been sufficient IMO. Users with a long record of contributions tend to be more aggravated with blocks and in general, blocks should be avoided if things can be accomplished with other means. --Irpen 16:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Irpen. I thought today was the 10th (I was just looking at the diffs only on the 9th, I didn't see Piotrus's edit on the 11th). There seems no point to prevent this user from discussing, so I have unblocked. My apologies, Halibutt. Nishkid64 (talk) 16:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Nishkid. Let's hope the war will not continue and Halibutt will take this event as a reminder to not revert war. --Irpen 17:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem guys, didn't notice the 3RR anyway. BTW, I'm the one to try to settle some consensus at the talk page - and the one currently waiting for the others to accept or decline my proposals regarding that article (of which I am the author, BTW).  // Halibutt 17:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

 // Halibutt 17:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hans Frank
I've added some comments to the Talk page here. Please could you have a look.--Major Bonkers (talk) 11:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Please don't accuse estabilished editors of vandalism
Sorry Halibutt, but this is not how we do it. They do it, sure - but we have to keep better standards.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Pushing one's POV against all references, even the ones provided by the person herself, is disruption of wikipedia. And to me disruption of wikipedia is vandalism. Fullstop.  // Halibutt 22:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Consider lessons of WP:SPADE.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keeping up with the good standards only makes wikipedia more vulnerable to vandalism and POV-pushing. Note I proposed at least 3 different solutions at the talk page - all were ignored. Yet the guys constantly revert the article to their liking. So, I could either follow the good spirit of wikipedia and try to talk to them ad nauseam - or simply revert the vandalism. There's not chance I could force Lokyz to respond to my proposals or questions, just like I couldn't force the Lithuanian club to provide a single piece of evidence for their slander. Reverting vandalism is easier.  // Halibutt 23:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * But it doesn't yield a solution. You revert them, they revert you, where does it end? I'd suggest WP:DR, works in 9 out of 10 cases in my experience.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Other ways do not yield a solution either. I tried using sources, I tried talking things over at the talk page, I tried seeking a third eye, I tried using formal steps... If the only way is to go through painful and lengthy WP procedures each and every time Lithuanian nationalists try to promote their views on Wikipedia, then where does all the fun go? Writing articles should be fun. Caring for wikipedia should be fun. Constant conflicts with their club kills it.  // Halibutt 00:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Dialects of the Polish language, was selected for DYK!
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Greetings
Hello, I'd just like to stop by in order to thank You for barnstar. I greatly appreciate it especially from a Wikipedian much senior to myself, with such an impressive list of contributions (and as I can see from the user page one of the principal authors of the article about Lviv). Hope will be seeing each other around on Wikipedia. --Vohon 16:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Lithuanian vs. Polish names again
Hali, this chain of edits appears to be WP:POINTish and disruptive:      Please stop messing with that can of worms and write new staff instead. If there is any foundation for the name dispute, Piotrus would handle it out. Believe me, I really do not want to block you for disruption but I will have to if it continues Alex Bakharev 09:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hali, dalbys sobie spokoj z takimi zabawami. Po co dolewac oliwy do ognia? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you think other editors vandalize articles, complain about it on AN/I, to other admins, or use DR procedures. Imitating them is POINTless in all meanings of this term.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

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In Remembrance...
--nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 01:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Interesting discussions
Maps: Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board

Polish military insignia images: Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board/Archive_9

--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

3RR
I reviewed the report at WP:AN3RR involvingn you. I decided that a block wouldn't be the best way of handling the matter and protected the page instead. I hope that positive contributions will come from that. You certainly did breach the three revert rule on a strict reading of that policy - restoring the same content in part 5 times. On the basis of your positive contributions to the project I've stuck my neck out a little and declined to block, but more edit warring will prob will result in an admin blocking you. Whatever the circumstances, please enter into discussion rather than repeatedly reintroducing disputed content. WjBscribe 23:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Merger of Projects
There is a proposal to merge WikiProject History of Poland with WikiProject European history, probably by making the former a task force or work group of the latter. If you have any interest in the matter, please see the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_European_history--Doug.(talk • contribs) 21:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

próba
Jesli mnie widzisz tzn że umiem pisac w Twojej dyskusji hi hi:)... Jak już pisałem guru komputerowym to ja nie jestem. Jeśli jest dobrze, będę już pisał tu. Narazie odpisałem na polskiej.--62.69.207.31 15:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC) hm...czyli keriM

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expanding of "Proces szesnastu"
Hello. Can You (or anybody) expand article Trial_of_the_Sixteen? Polish version is much longer (imho most important is background). I think it's good to translate it into English. I would like to do it, but my English is poor. 148.81.137.4 (talk) 16:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC) ;)

Helena Wolińska-Brus
Hello again. Please can you have a look at this article - the situation is blowing up again with another extradition request and the article would benefit from expansion. Yours, --Major Bonkers (talk) 10:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Imperial triple crown jewels
Your Imperial Majesty, Piotrus nominated you for the award. May you wear it well.  Durova Charge! 22:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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Of interest
Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_review.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

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Regarding the Digwuren case
The Digwuren case at ARBCOM has been closed, but one of the remedies that passed in that case (found at Requests for arbitration/Digwuren) applies to any editor of Eastern European topics, not just those directly involved with the case before it was closed. Take a look at that "General restriction" section and the sections immediately following it as they detail what the general restriction is and what action can be taken. If you have any questions, you can just leave a message here and I'll respond as quickly as possible. Thanks! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to add a short note here to clarify why I'm interested in everything going on in the Eastern European articles. All I'm looking for here is for everyone to be on their best behavior, no matter what the circumstances...no more incivility, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith; just to be nice, basically.  I have faith that everyone working in Eastern European topics is capable of doing this, and my goal with these notices that I've left is to serve as a reminder of that.  Cheers, stay cool, and keep up the good work; your contributions are truly outstanding and you are a tremendous value to this project!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 21:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wanted to add my agreement with Ieoth here. I'm glad you did not leave WP afterall, and hope I am welcome back on your talk page. Dr. Dan (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes you are provided you have something constructive to say - or at least stay on topic and refrain from personal remarks.  // Halibutt 22:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. That's the way it should be and can be. Personally one of my pet peeves (and probably one of my own past sins) is when someone else chimes into someone else's discussion, before the initial parties have even had a chance to explore their issue without an interuption. I hope you agree with this. Then of course everyone else can jump in with their own "two cents". Is that logical, or too impractical of a request? Dr. Dan (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This chat is drifting towards OT. Feel free to contact me in case there is a content dispute. I'm also interested in how the wiki works, but not in general theory of talk space chats. Queuejumping, discussionjumping and such are none of my interest.  // Halibutt 11:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

O.K. Let's get down to business then. You have ardently made a point to put many Polish-Lithuanians into wiki-space. I think your arguments are well grounded and often make a lot of sense. Are you prepared to use the same arguments and logic in so far as Jozef Pilsudski is concerned? Or is this a different case?. Earlier you gave me the impression that it was actually a "no-brainer". Dr. Dan (talk) 01:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In most cases the matters are already being solved at the relevant talk pages, as is the case of Talk:Józef Piłsudski. If you want to discuss his "Lithuanianness" and the differences between "Lithuanians" and "Lietuvans" in that article (he considered himself a member of the earlier group, that is heir to the GDL and not to ethnic Lithuanian club)- be my guest. If you find a proof that he also called himself Juozapas Pilsudskis - feel free to add that name to the header. Consistency is the key here.  // Halibutt 14:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The "Juozapas Pilsudkis" matter is a dead issue as far as I'm concerned. However whether to acknowledge him as a Polish-Lithuanian is the larger issue. And not completely resolved at this point. You, perhaps more than any other editor has recently endeavored to take a variety of individuals from the "Grand Duchy of Lithuania" and describe them as Polish-Lithuanians. Would the key of consistency fit in this lock? Is Pilsudski a different case? Dr. Dan (talk) 15:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Already answered that question I believe.  // Halibutt 18:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes you have, earlier. This is why I think your input on the talk pages would be very pertinent, in the FA nomination process. I agree that the matter has been attempted to be resolved at the relevant talk pages, but it would be quite helpful for your input to be added to straighten it out. Your opinion is unfortunately absent at the moment. Certainly your viewpoint would be useful. Any suggestions? Dr. Dan (talk) 01:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That's precisely what you got wrong. It's not a matter of my input, my opinion or my taste. It's a matter of supporting sources - or lack of such. My ideal solution would be as simple as it gets: someone finds a source saying that a person used more than one name (could even be an indirect source, I don't mind) - we include it in the header in the way WP:MoS suggests it. There is no such source - case is closed, name is not included. This could straighten hundreds of conflicts up, from Copernicus to Proniewska.
 * In the case of Pilsudski - it should work the very same way. Find a source, add it to the article and then add the name in the header. If someone reverts that - let me know and I'll intervene.  // Halibutt 02:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry but you got it wrong. I said the name issue is a "dead issue", as far as I'm concerned. I was hoping for your input on the nationality question at the talk page, as it is unresolved. Your earlier efforts and sources can only be helpful in clarifying the matter. Please forget the name WP:MoS issue and work with us the the nationality question. Like you, I hope consistency will be the key here. Dr. Dan (talk) 02:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Please forgive me for pressing the issue, but some of your recent efforts at articles like Simonas Daukantas, cause me to reiterate my desire to ask you to expand your efforts to the Pilsudski nationality question. Specifically whether the Polish-Lithuanian designation is appropriate there. I repeat, like you, I hope consistency will be the key regarding your input. Dr. Dan (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I do remember your excellent
Contribution in Kulturkampf article, perhaps you would be willing to use your knowledge of German-Polish history likewise to expand Kidnapping of Polish children by Germany ? They are some issues and comments that need to be adressed, and since you already communicated well with the same user in Kulturkampf article, perhaps this time also you could expand the article and confront the issues he has raised ?--Molobo (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Wesołych Świąt


Cześć! Życzę wesołych Świąt Bożego Narodzenia i wszystkiego najlepszego w Nowym Roku. - Darwinek (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Racibórz Mapa.PNG
Hi, I'm going through images with unknown sources at WikiCommons. The image description for this image says "Screen2 na podst. projektu Halibutta". Has that anything to do with you? I know you have contributed Poland-related maps before. If you do know, could you please remove the "No sources"-tag? Regards, Thuresson (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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Karolina Proniewska reversions
Halibutt, I just wanted to drop you a note because a couple of editors have expressed concern over your use of Twinkle in the (what looks to me like a) content dispute on the Karolina Proniewska. To me it seems like no big deal, but if you could avoid using Twinkle's [ rollback (VANDAL) ] link and use [rollback (AGF) ] (or just revert manually), it would probably avoid a lot of undue attention. As I'm sure you know, in content disputes, it's best not to label edits as "vandalism" at the risk of offending other editors, and some are opposed to Twinkle being used, even AGF rollback, at all in this context. Anyway, this isn't a warning or anything, just a recommendation. Cheers and happy editing! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit
Hi,

I saw that you created some barnstars of national merit.

Could you please make one for Israel? Two blue vertical stripes would be enough.

If you don't have the time or the will to it, could you please send me a template so i could make one myself?

Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Leonard Skierski
Calm! Don't need to be nervous. I only placed that tag in the article because he don't had a category; any newpage patroller may put this tag in tha moment; sorry for the problem, but you can continue your work in the article, and nobody will bother you. Only add the tag of in that article and nobody will touch in there, OK? (you must know this, but for me is better than write in the edit summary, because not at all peoples see the edit summary); Sorry for the problem, but I did my work, and I too write articles here, and not of all are perfects. (one tag in the article isn't the end of the world) :-) --Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko (talk) 00:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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