User:Hamster Sandwich/Archive 3

I have a number of concerns about what I plan to do: I have strong (and reasonably expert) views on several pages relating to hedgefunds, and I think they really need work. In particular they need trimming. I have made some changes and invited comment in the discussion pages; I plan to leave it a few days and if no-one objects I'll make some more. Any other suggestions?

Servalo 00:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)== :-) ==

You're so nice. Thanks for thinking of me. I see it's been quiet for a little while now... (fingers crossed!) Dmcdevit·t 09:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi Hamster Sandwich, Thank you for your support on my RFB. I withdrew it with a final vote of 14/5/2 and am planning on wait awhile before possibly re-applying. Thanks again for your vote. Jtkiefer T 21:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Coffee, juice or tea
I'm partial to tea these days and also to vodka and orange juice. Hey, silsor and I are in the rhurbarb patch. Shaping up to be my first dust-up. Kinda turns one off the project, though. I notice he made a big production out of de-admining himself, so maybe it's time for a holiday. Barry Wells 22:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hamster, if it's a dispute between different senses of humour, he's denying it. i.e., "I don't have a problem with your sense of humour or how risque it is." (his words.)

Regarding ignoring someone if they tick you off, I was never ticked off until he came out of nowhere to try and push me around. When asked why he was threatening me he just insults me. He keeps teling me "put a cork in it" or he'll kick me off the channel for no valid reason. In my view, he's on a silly Internet power trip and yes I know that IRC and Wikipedia are different, but I can't reason with the guy in there because he takes offence to everything and anything I say and he's got the button. I haven't taken nonsense from bullies ever and I'm not about to start now, moreso one that's still wet behind the years and barely out of diapers. Of course the whole thing is as empty and goofy as an old banana peel. Barry Wells 23:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Wild, Woolly and Semi-Weird but Wonderful
Hammy, if you get a moment, e-mail me. It's a local, strange-but-true story (nothing to do with Wikipedia). Barry Wells 21:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Heh, Userboxes
You should come join us at WP:UBX if you'd like to get or make some more, us Red Sox Nation, Hempist Aspies gotta stick together after all ;-) karmafist 06:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
 ''' Hello ,

I wish to thank you for your vote on my RfA. It has passed with a final tally of 59/0/0. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Knowledge Of Self | talk  03:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC) '''

Simple question
How do you cut & paste when editing an article?? (Maybe I missed it on the editing/help pages) THANK YOU............Z Wylld 21:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

My Request for Adminship
Hey, thanks for voting in my RfA, I got it! :) If you need anything, just give me a shout. - FrancisTyers 00:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Sir Barry of Antique Kanooter Valves
Given the number of people in London that care passionately about our heritage (and are willing to fight for it), it is indeed an honour to be named to the 2006 Mayor's Honour's List. I would have preferred that the group, The Friends of Labatt Park be named, as opposed to me personally, so when I go to the dinner on January 23rd at city hall, I'll ask for a large doggie bag for the other members of Friends of Labatt Park. I'll store the food in my fridge at home until they can pick it up (or I eat it). It's the thought that counts, right? Barry Wells 00:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Saugeen-Maitland Hall (Stripper)
Check out the Saugeen Stripper page on WP and the controversy regarding it. Barry Wells 01:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, check out the Talk: Saugeen Stripper page. You may be able to shed some light on this you walking encyclopedia, you. Barry Wells 22:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for your Full Lemmy Kilmister Support on my request for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me.

Great to chat with you on IRC too :) --Alf melmac 10:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Category template for conceptual treatment of subjects
Hello! I don't know whether this interests you or not but I hope you might like to look at Hall (concept). As it stands now it is an almost direct copy of Hall but the latter has a disambiguation tag put on it so someone will soon by trying to simplify it in the way that for example, Bolt was treated. It seems to me that the way that these two articles had begun to develop is useful.

Hall (concept) is capable of development as a page which links several other articles by following the development of the concept which together, they embody. It thereby makes the whole of the group of articles more than the sum of its parts. Converting it to a disambiguation page as was done with Bolt turns it into a simple index with none of the insight which might have been there. It is tempting to abandon the idea of doing such work as without some recognizable category, there is the likelihood that someone will follow up with a merger proposal or a disambiguation tag.

I therefore propose a new along the lines of the existing disambiguation one. If this does not interest you, perhaps you know better than I do, who might be interested in taking it up. :-) (RJP 21:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC))

Dancing the night away at Saugeen
Well, once again, I think that the stripper story should receive a mention in the too skimpy Saugeen-Maitland Hall page (more than is there now). To deem it un-newsworthy when it clearly has received coverage in several newspapers, including Canada's largest daily paper, the Toronto Star, is to rewrite history. Is that the purpose of WP? -- to rewrite history? I don't think so. Further, given the widely held reputation of Saugeen as a "fun place" to reside while attending UWO (Google Saugeen and see for yourselves 12 pages of "The Zoo's" reputation and memories), this incident adds context. And make no mistake about it. Senior officials at UWO have tried to alter Saugeen's reputation over the years -- effectively banning the use of the nickname "The Zoo." Are there UWO officials on WP trying to squelch this story? Probably not. But I don't think that we should do their dirty work. Barry Wells 23:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

It's interesting how two individuals that currently live in Saugeen (see above postings, User: The Vince-alator and the other user beginning with the letter "O") are strongly opposed to this page and presumably its inclusion in the Saugeen-Maitland Hall thread. Barry Wells 00:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The real significance of Saugeen-Maitland Hall lies in its history as the first co-ed residence on campus. Originally, in 1969, the men and women were separated -- the men were in the Saugeen portion and all women in the Maitland portion (locked doors between the two sections). The men and women each had their own "Proctor."

Then the men and women were put in alternating "units" (three floors made a "unit") in the respective two sections of the complex. Later still, men and women were put on the same floor. This is the real significance of Saugeen and the various hi-jinks and shenanigans/ memories and reputation of the place is part of that history. Barry Wells 03:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Giant flaming goat-heads
Was that a reference to a specific incident, or just a general reflection on things? I don't know why, but that phrase tickles a vague memory in my head for some reason. Turnstep 23:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey, thanks for Lemmy-ing me... feels like the next best thing to joining "The Road Crew"! Recognition was completely unexpected -- maybe you can tell me what you saw that seems to be in the right direction (and not "Overkill")? Cheers. Ccoll 00:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Incoming Award
Check you hotmail account. There's a surprise gift for you. Barry Wells 03:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

THANX for the editing help
Hi Ham, thanx for the answer to my cut & paste question. Actually, all I wanted to do was cut & paste text within the same article, but I will keep your note for reference if/when I get to the sophisticated point of using images. Your suggestion worked fine for what I was doing -- it never occurred to me to use block/edit/copy/paste; I kept looking for the scissors icon! Z Wylld 16:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The Butch McLarty Epic Barnstar for Editorial Excellence and Fine Dining

 * Hammy's a whore for barnstars :) Well earned my fried ewe friend, you deserve it! --Alf melmac 23:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * More of a ferret or a gerbil for Barnstars, no? Barry Wells 02:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
For the RV on my user page, I didn't even notice it until now --Alf melmac 17:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I found a local supplier should you get peckish... The Hampster Dance. --Alf melmac 12:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

RFA thanks
Thanks for supporting me in my RFA. --TimPope 13:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

re:Wiki-bday
Thanks! Maybe I need to get a life? Actually, I do enjoy this effort...almost makes you feel like you're doing a general good...I guess..happy editing!--MONGO 16:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the congrats, Hammy! I'll try to live up to your expectations. But you know me, just one of those utterly stupid young'uns. :-) On a more serious note, I'm glad you survived that early tumult after the RFA, and are in good spirits. Doing a good job adminning, I'm sure. I'm always here for you, friend. Dmcdevit·t 06:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry
I don't remember posting that explicit message in the discussion zone of the website, my guess is that it was one of the other band members who knows my password. I'm sorry that that had to come up and that such a horrible result would come. As a member of this band I would like to apologize to everyone that was offended by this message. I am trying to maintain a peaceful existence on this website and I would hate to have that ruined by something that I didn't have control of. Again, sorry Jahovasnout 03:19, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping me with my page and helping me understand the way this website works on a deeper level. Thanks for all the work you do to help keep this website in line, although it would be nice to allot me a page for the usage of my band, but I will work on getting it through. Thanks again Jahovasnout 04:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Hi, thanks for participating in my RfA discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). If you voted in support of my request, thank you! If you decided to oppose me at this time, then I hope that if I do choose to reapply in the future, the effort I will make in the meantime to improve and expand my contributions to Wikipedia may persuade you to reconsider your position. All the best, Proto t c 10:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Userpage, message to Slim Virgin
Are a bit obscure. You haven't resigned, have you? Wikipedia doen't need that! CanadianCaesar The Republic Restored 04:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I was referring to this edit, which sounded somewhat like a goodbye. Good to hear you're still with us.  CanadianCaesar The Republic Restored 04:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Your message on El C's page
Greetings... I noticed your reply on El C's page, and I'd like to ask you if you meant all of what you said there. I believe Gmaxwell has a legitimate complaint, on Carnildo's behalf: it's an awfully strong statement to accuse a longtime good-faith contributor of "inciting hate speech against children" without some awfully solid proof, and so a request to retract that in the absence of such proof is not uncalled for. Though I don't know him well, I've never known Carnildo to act to deliberately cause harm to anyone and to say that he was in such a fashion is inappropriate. (Regardless of what anyone else did or didn't do, or was or wasn't blocked for. I know that El C's statement wasn't the only improper statement or action made tonight, but it's one of them.) If you want to discount everything Greg says because you believe he has a history of being unreasonable, that's your prerogative; I don't know how you regard my opinion, but I would make the same request myself. Look, it's an emotional issue. People believe really strongly about these things, tempers run hot. And people say things and do things that aren't in the best of considered thought. But they shouldn't stand after some cooling down has taken place, and asking for them to be reconsidered is not out of line. I suppose I'd just like to ask you to consider your words, because they've caused hurt where they didn't need to. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 03:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Corgi? Did someone say, corgi?
I read your note of support and solidarity to Carbonite's page, and thought to look at your user page. Corgi dogs are the best, aren't they? Mine is named Boston and hes 10yrs old. What a dog! Smarter than most of the people I know (IMO). A more loyal and loving pet I have never seen. Anyways, hopefully Carbonite will come back to editing and administrating WP. In the past month or so, I have been watching as a clique of around 10-12 editor/admins attempt to highjack and dominate almost every discussion and debate that deals with article inclusion/deletion, user box use and policy process. Perhaps its always been the same 10-12 individuals and they were just on a bit of a break or something, but its very evident to me in the patterns they follow. Where one comments, the others are not far behind. They are generally savvy and cunning, and experts at gaming the system. My opinion is, give them enough rope to hang themselves and then drop the floor out from under them. WP will survive, even without the "old guard" of policy wonks and JimBo syncophants. Weak leadership is as bad or worse than no leadership. Ok, now that I got that off my chest...Thanks for your words of support to Carbonite. Lets hope they have a positive effect. Regards, Hamster Sandwich 00:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I love my Corgi, He's such a smart little guy, he is 14 months old now. We just taught him to "speak" today. Got any pics of yours? My pics here, my favs are here and here). I dunno about the whole admin thing, I hope it works out for him, I am not really into the politics side of WP. -Ravedave 04:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Hailin' the Hamster

 * Well I was just trying to be helpful...I guess it can be either way. It is just that Heil (which can be pronounce either as Hile or as in English hail) seemed to be used more often. Chooserr 05:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I don't mind...information is information. Thanks, Chooserr 05:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Your name
I did want to ask though isn't there a picture on wikipedia of a Hamster in a roll. Chooserr 05:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

#wikipedia
Well, #wikipedia is not Wikipedia and costs no money to run...plus, you are not currently banned there, so I don't know what the problem was. Adam Bishop 00:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

MFD on RFC/USER
While I understand your position here, I think it would be hard for the community to come up with a worse dispute "resolution" mechanism than RFC/USER if we tried. To me, the important thing isn't the exceptional cases, but the ordinary ones - and RFC fails on that front as well. It simply doesn't resolve disputes; at best, it gives people enough rope to hang themselves with for Arbcom. We can and should do better, and I genuinely hope that this MFD will get some productive discussion going. Thank you for your input. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 03:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Leaving?
Man, I guess things have changed. I'm not leaving, although if this was happening in December, I would like have felt that way. To be completely honest, in a non-related thing, I almost died tonight...and last Thursday...and the Sunday before that. Wikipedia is a hobby, that's the only way you can go at it if you have alot of edits or it'll eat you up. If the aristocracy wants to block me forever, they can go right ahead. I've done nothing wrong other than bug them with a conscience. Keep up the good fight with the strike! Karm a  fist  03:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Poll
User RFC reform is now open. Feel free to contribute. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS)</TT> 04:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Using rollback on non-vandalism edits
Hi, Hamster Sandwich, could you explain why you are using the rollback privilege on an edit which is clearly not vandalism ? Thanks, Talrias (t | e | c) 21:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can. Its because I have no technique in reverting a page to its former state. My thinking is, that I might do more harm than good in such an instance. Also, you say the change made by jacoplane was not vandalism. I disagree with you. It was, even if of the most minor sort. His removals of material from anothers user page, several times, even after I left a message for him to desist, indicates he is presenting a definate POV on the issue, and this troubles me, and evidently other editor/admins as well. I hope this explanation at least in part satisfies you. Beacause I have nothing further to add to it! Regards Hamster Sandwich 21:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't make things up. You left me a message to desist 5 minutes after I had made my last edit to the page. I also stated my last edit that it was my "final" edit, in any case I would not break 3RR. I will cede that my edits were in poor taste, I did not realize that El C had been blocked, or I would not have made the edit. Jaco  plane  22:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In other words, do as I say, not as I do: Oh the irony... FeloniousMonk 22:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Clarification
I'm not blocking anyone over it, nor do I have intention to take any other actions on it. (I didn't protect it either.) All I did was make a plea for the edit warring to stop before it became a recreation of Sunday night. So, you have nothing to worry about over me. (Voice of All did note intention to block, however, so that would be the best place to go if you're concerned.) <font color=#696969>Essjay Talk • Contact 22:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Which way to the Casbah, Bwana?
Look at the fine mess that you've got us in now, Ollie! The Whodoos are fighting with the Voodoos, the Pygmies are fighting with the Pygmalions, the Midgets are fighting with the Dwarves, the Muslims are out for Danish blood because of a few disrespectful (shurely shome mishtake!) editorial cartoons and Lord Black of Crossharbour is looking at jail time in a U.S. hoosegow. What in the hell is the whirld coming to? Before you know it we'll all be up to our asses in plastic alligators! Barry Wells 22:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

re: User:Conrad-14 year old socialist
I dunno. I'm not inclined to think of inaction as a blockable offense. I'd wait until he does something wrong, although I think it's ridiculous to advertise oneself as a vandal... -GTBacchus(talk) 15:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Sandwich
I heartily accept the Sandwich that you have seen fit to bestow on me. I would like to thank my parents, my agent, etc, etc. Thankyou! The Land 15:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Conrad-14 year old socialist
The editor has not responded to the message I left on his talk page, which linked him to the discussion you took place in at WP:ANI. Perhaps a short block is now in order based on WP:Point. If so, how long would you suggest is appropriate? Regards, Hamster Sandwich 13:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * For a first block, either 12 or 24 hours should be sufficient. Leave a message on his talk page advising him that he can be unblocked early if he complies with the request, and then keep an eye on it. <TT>Crotalus horridus <SMALL>(TALK • CONTRIBS)</SMALL></TT> 18:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Or, alternatively, we could just remove the "vandal" nonsense from his page, and if he puts it back, block him then. <TT>Crotalus horridus <SMALL>(TALK • CONTRIBS)</SMALL></TT> 18:27, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Just watch me order a Hamster Sandwich
The country is strong, just like Margaret's weed! Barry Wells 23:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The media coverage about being named as the Keeper of Her Worship's Royal Dog Kennels was in a Sunday paper on January 1, 2006, and the delightful ceremony was during the council meeting on January 23, 2006 -- the same day as the Bermudian shipping magnate, Paulie Martino, went down in a ball of flames. Ah, Funkadelic and Parliament, two of my favourite spaceships. God bless Amerika and keep those smoke signals blowing my way! Barry Wells 23:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

DSchor

 * Thanks for the heads up about the ban on this user as a result of the Request for Arbitration. I have now responded to his e-mail. Capitalistroadster 20:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Trade Union
The reasons were valid, I also suggest you read the discussion page before making these accusations. I have been working with someone to improve that section so it is not pov and O.R. Thank you. (Gibby 15:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC))

Oh shoot!
Oh darn, oh gosh, oh gee. Someone told me "at least Hamster Sandwich is doing reasonably ok as an admin now", so I was going to check, and spotted your user page again...

... and saw that you have aspergers.

Shit. That means I screwed up massively. I walked right into that. I'm supposed to know better.

This isn't an apology yet. And please don't go yelling at me for being wrong or whatever yet. Let me ponder on this.

Kim Bruning 10:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Leaving myself a note...
Trying to get the "You have new messages" banner to leave my pages. They've been there all day, and I can't seem to get rid of it. Someone suggested editing this page to see if it would eliminate the banner. Have a nice day! Hamster Sandwich 21:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahhh! that worked! Kudos to Evil Monkey for suggesting it! Hamster Sandwich 21:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes i see how i am wrong but...
1) He started it with insults and sarcasim. So dont only get on to me, he called me a noob, cheep beer lover, and crap hitting the water.

2) He mentioned your syndrome that you have, he stated it in his message, and i think you think that i down ppl with deseases, not saying you are, but it sure is kinda a quinki dinki, im sorry you have it, i have severe ADHD. I can hear buzzes everytime my mom or neighbors make a call by cellphone.

Please dont judge untill you have it all please, if i did any personal attacks, i didnt mean it in that way, i see none here.--Gators222 01:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

of note

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For the horde, '''... '''<span style="background-color: #11cbc4; width: 52px; height: 16px; font-size: 12px; p { text-align: center; font-face: Times New Roman} ">aa:talk 02:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Viking horns forever at Labatt Park
I took the following picture of the legendary Norm Aldridge at Labatt Park on May 31, 1998 during "The Rumble at the Riverforks" fundraising ballgame that I co-organized.


 * Longtime London Major Norm Aldridge at Labatt Park wearing Viking Horns

How does one put it on the London Majors WP page? Barry Wells 00:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Drive by
I thought I'd take a drive by the ol' Sandwich place and leave my wishes on this my 20,000th edit. Yeee-haaw. --Alf <sup style="color:green;">melmac 17:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Psst
Check out this page. Pass it along. Nudge nudge. -- evrik 17:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Dealing with rebels and seditionists


I just hope that you're behaving yourself these days as the reptilian shape-shifters and other assorted Mason jars have ways of dealing with rebels and seditionists. Just look what happened to the once-feisty Butch (The Beast) McLarty. He's shuffling around in his slippers with cross-stitched hatch marks on his bumpy forehead and a glazed look in his once lively eyes. Barry Wells 00:18, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I see ol' silsor's taken a wikibreak and rolled up his user-page. Wonder what happened there. The price you pay for being a channel-op on IRC, I guess. He did seem like a very fine upstanding young man. Barry Wells 17:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for supporting my successful Requests for adminship/Raven4x4x request for adminship. I'll try to put the admin tools to good and responsible use. If I do anything wrong you know where to find me. Raven4x4x 07:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Suggestion.
Thank you for the suggestions you gave me.I will certainly try to avoid conflicts with other editors/administrators so that I may become a useful editor.However I will continue to fight for my rights as a Wikipedian.These rights include-1)Voting as I wish in RFAs.2)Issuing warnings to vandals.But I will without doubt endeavour to avoid confrontations with other editors.User:Prasi90 03:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar, OTR & PUA Review
FYI. You may want to look and comment here: Barnstar and award proposals/Proposed Changes. For your reference, the guidelines are referenced here: Barnstar Proposal Guidelines. Thanks -- evrik 18:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedian Cabal of Aliens


Hamster Sandwich, should you see my name in the London Free Press obits within the next few weeks, contact CSIS agent Rumplestiltskin without delay. Barry Wells 02:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I have Barry pencilled in for a June abduction actually. --Alf <sup style="color:green;">melmac 10:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Ip
That IP actually belongs to the Thames Valley District School Board and is used only by a bunch of punk kid vandals. Nothing good has ever come out of that school and,in the unlikely event that something does, I doubt it will overcomes all of the negative erffects of the vandalism. Just my opinion, but I have no attachments to my blocks so that's fine. Thanks.Gator (talk) 14:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your comment on my talk page
Hello, thanks for your message. The message I left on the talk page was in response to two  instances of vandalism which I reverted. At the minute, the primary mechanism available to bring about a cessation of wilful vandalism is to issue the incremental warnings and block if the vandalism continues. If you look at the contribution for the IP for the relevant period you will see that the vandalism did in fact continue after the warnings and had I been at my computer at that point I would have continued to warn and, if the vandalism hadn't stopped, I would eventually would have listed at WP:AIAV.

I do understand your point about the many other users using this IP; I think that the edits and reversions and warnings that I have made and issued have been made on the individual basis of the behaviour of the person using the IP at that time. I understand that the thousands of users who use that IP will (in the event of blocks occasioned by vandalism from the IP) be temporarily unable to edit wikipedia, but that seems to be a price worth paying if it protects the efforts and time of thousands of contributors to wikipedia and the potential benefit to millions of readers of wikipedia. Politepunk 19:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Prasi
I'lll kindly refer you to my response on Zero's page. He's a troll and has used up all the good faith that reasonable editors have to offer. Keep him blocked or we'll just have to go through this again. Just my opninion about an obvious troll and I will not ever apologize for calling a troll a troll. Thanks for the advice though. It's directed at the wrong parties (as is the norm here) but I appreciate the effort nonetheless.Gator (talk) 17:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Prasi90
I have moved User Prasi90:Probationary mentorship log to User:Prasi90/Probationary mentorship log. If you prefer the user_talk: namespace, you can move it again. -- RHaworth 18:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Whatever works the best way. As long as I can find the page, it's going to be useful. Thanks! Hamster Sandwich 18:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Question
This is creative. The restrictions particularly so, since such restrictions would normally be the domain of Arbitration. However, if the editor willingly agrees to abide by them, as Prasi90 appears to have done, then I think there is nothing wrong and much good in avoiding the Committee. I think it may take up some of your time, judging from a quick read through the talk page and the block log. If all parties are willing to make a genuinely good-faith effort in the direction indicated, and also to cut one another a little slack, it may well work. I would observe that structurally similar arrangements were reached (by Linuxbeak) with both JarlaxleArtemis and MARMOT, both of whom quickly exhausted their newfound welcome. You'll need to tread especially carefully in dealing with approaches to Prasi90 by the editors with whom s/he has disagreed in the past, and a little of "keep your distance", gently, might be needed. Prasi90 offers that much on his own part, so reciprocation is only fair. Ultimately, it would nice if all those restrictions could be lifted, of course. Judging from the "below this line" section, there is at least one other admin hawking the situation; you might need to reach an understanding that Prasi90's primary accountability in terms of blocks/unblocks lies only with one of you. Submitting to one master is enough for most people, I'd think, and you'd need to act completely in concert with any other involved admin or the damage could finish up being three-way. Good luck, -Splash talk 21:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

removing the block
Hi Hamster Sandwich, I normally reply to messages on my own talk but wasn't sure that you would be watching. I did not put a one week block on to be vindictive or because I was unaware of the guidelines. I took a look at Special:Contributions/198.20.32.254 and saw that not only was the IP the source of multiple vandalism, but that it was also often spree vandalism and that I could not identify any recent pattern of good edits. There may be some buried in the contribs, but I couldn't find any in a spot check, though I noted one edit I felt may have been intended to be helpful. However, there is a point at which admins have to stop catering to the hypothetical beneficial users and start dealing with the actual regular vandals.

I believe that I have decent judgement, when looking over a talk page and contribs history, of seeing when vandalism is likely to be halted by a 15 minute "pause" block and this pattern, despite multiple prior blocks, never had a hiccup in the stream. The week long block was taken with consideration for any beneficial users, in balance with the chronic vandalism. I will not wheel war, but I feel that your judgement is wrong on this and, if this IP comes back on my watchlist with a similar pattern, I do not give up the option of putting up another long block. I would of course immediately unblock if I receive communication from an affected Wikipedian. Regards, BanyanTree 17:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have replied back at my talk. Thanks, BanyanTree 22:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Wasting your time
I think you are wasting your time, however, I applaud you, absolutely, with your demonstration of good faith and I do wish you the best. I wash my hands of this situation.--MONGO 18:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Again, if anyone can turn him around, it would be you. I do hope you succeed, so my involvement in the matter is over as I think that will be the best way to help you succeed. In other matters, if you need anything, never hesitate to ask.--MONGO 18:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

sound of silence
Hey, wait! My silence is speaking volumes about what a flake I am! :-S Sorry. Looking now. FreplySpang (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if you are up for mentoring him, good luck. I'm not sure that it's a good idea to keep him 100% off article talk pages, since that's supposed to be where difficult things get thrashed out. Also, I think it could be a good idea to require him to always log in. I don't quite understand his concerns with his IP "coming under the same conditions" - it seems like it opens a space for puppetry or wikilawyering. Does he understand that rules, warnings, etc., apply to the person and not the account? I like your suggestion for him to show his potential for good edits by drafting an article. I'm impressed with your patience and AGFing in taking on this mentorship - good luck, I really do hope it works out well and serves as a model for others! FreplySpang (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Prasi90
I have decided I see zero reason to unblock Prasi90 or his IP ever. I will contest any mentorship you have in mind as I find him to be completely unredeemable. His latest edit to his talk page demonstrates that his intentions are to continue to troll and disrupt. You can't save everyone and I definitely respect your good faith intentions, but I do not concur.--MONGO 15:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to add that there are hundreds of new editors that sign up everyday, and the vast majority of them do not have the tarnished editing history that Prasi90 has. I suppose if he makes just one mistake after he is unblocked, I will arbitrate for his permanent blocking. There simply is no pain threshold with him.--MONGO 02:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyway...Prasi90 started making legal threats and User:NSLE reprotected his talk page and I have now indefinitely banned his IP. I know you had high hopes, but some people are simply unredeemable as editors here I am afraid.--MONGO 08:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

irc note
well, someone on irc with nick syte told me to drop you this note (he's blocked it seems): >	tell him tht Prasi90 is editing Wikinews as PVJ59 to prove good intentions give him this link- http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PVJ59 also tell him tht my talkpages (user ID and IP) hav been protected

-- ( drini's page   ☎  ) 04:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Prasi
Hello mate, just pointing you to this you may have missed: In my opinion that was serious enough to deny him any chance of making it back here. NSL E (T+C) at 16:06 UTC (2006-04-27)
 * Believe me, I understand that you, and particularly MONGO have been in reciept of questionable material from Prasi90. I have asked him in no uncertain terms to refrain from emailing any admin. unless he has a serious question that he wishes to have resolved by administration. I know that you are resistant to his unblocking, but I have resolved to bring his case before ArbCom unless he is allowed to edit under the terms and conditions of the agreement he and I have reached concerning his mentorship. I would plead that although his past actions were bad, he has resolved to begin anew. I would argue that since someone with a bit of experience is willing to instruct, guide him, that he should be given a chance to reform. I would ask that the day he is unblocked and allowed to edit once again he will be held to the strict arrangement he and I reached, but that after a specified time of mentorship, which has not been arrived at yet, that day where he can be considered an editor in his own right, free of mentorship, he is treated as an editor in good standing, with the same rights and responsibilities as any other editor in good standing. Although there has been strenuous resistance to Prasi90 being given this chance, based on his wish to reform after committing his former bad acts (and the decreased potential to commit more of the same), the resistance has not been universal. In fact enough encouragement has come from disparate sources that I actually think that any effort to help this young man will prove to be a postive benefit to the project. If I'm wrong about any part of this, how difficult would it be in the long or short term to un-do anything that he may do which could be regarded as truly vandalistic? Not very. My hope was that I could begin the "Prasi90 Project" without bothering the ArbCom, but this is less and less likely, and frankly, I would welcome clear direction from them at this point, direction which all interested parties would be obliged to abide by. NSLE, I wish to protect the project as strongly as any administrator on the site, but my willingness in showing a bit of patience and providing at least a push in the right direction to an errent editor such as Prasi90 has been, may be a particular strength that I could offer to Wikipedia at large. I won't know unless I'm given a chance to find out. So, it is not just Prasi90 I am trying to help. It's him, me and the project as a whole. Best regards, Hamster Sandwich 16:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Aspergian Wikipedians
Category:Aspergian Wikipedians which you have included on your user page has been proposed for deletion you can comment at Categories for deletion. The is also a proposal to create an association to meet the needs of users with mental health conditions. --Salix alba (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Hammy ...
You're not going to take that nonsense (above post) are ya?

Royal Pillow Fluffer
Her Worship the Mayor and Bride-to-Be has kindly hired me to fluff her Royal Satin Pillows before her Prince and her retire to the boudoir on Saturday, June 17, apres the wedding at St. Mary's Church and reception at the Macaroni Club. Oh to be a Fly on the Boudoir Wall that Blessed evening! On the QT ... Google an' all.

Thanks
Hey, thank you. I've not heard from you for ages. It's good to see your name again. :-) SlimVirgin <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 22:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Back?
Noticed you edited today... are you planning to stick around? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oooh.. those Internet cafes are pricy. Yeah, that was me last September.  CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Time for a London Majors playoff game?


Hammy, as you may be aware, the London Majors knocked Kitchener Panthers out of the first round of the Intercounty Baseball League playoffs in four games straight. The league hasn't yet announced which team the Majors will face in the second round (likely Toronto, Barrie or Brantford) or when the games are (it will be announced any day now), but you should try and make it down to a game at Labatt Park. The Friends of Labatt Park have the old Roy McKay Clubhouse open to the public during the playoffs -- with baseball displays in there. London has a strong team (first in batting in the league with an overall average of .305) and should do well. Hope you can find the time. Barry Wells 23:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Semi-Finals for the 2006 IBL Playoffs have been announced. The London Majors open the Semi-Finals Wednesday, August 9th against the Barrie Baycats in Barrie at 8:00 pm.

The games are as scheduled:

Game 1 - Wed August 9th 8:00 pm @ Barrie Game 2 – Friday, August 11th, 7:30 pm @ London Game 3 - Sat August 12th 2:00 pm @ Barrie Game 4 – Sunday, August 13th, 1:00 pm @ London Game #5 - TBA* Game #6 - TBA* @ London Game #7 - TBA*


 * If necessary Barry Wells 22:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The Majors are currently leading the series with Barrie Baycats three games to one after horsewhipping their pimply, boney asses 16-5 on Wednesday, 11-3 Friday night and 6-1 this afternoon. Barry Wells 22:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The Majors are now in the IBL championship series with the Brantford Red Sox. The series is tied at one game a piece. The next game is at Labatt Park on Wed. Aug. 23 at 7:30 p.m. Check out www.icbaseball.com or www.londonmajors.com. London hasn't won the title since 1975 and Brantford hasn't won it since 1981. Barry Wells 18:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Recusal
Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to finish up my part of the article next week and will introduce some references, though I don't know how many court case and law review article citations are appropriate in a general-interest encyclopedia. The other problem with the article, as I mentioned on its talk page, is that as of now it's too USA-centric, so contributions from authors from or knowledgeable about the legal systems in other countries would certainly be welcome. As for the Wiki arbitration system, analogies between real-world courts and ArbCom only go so far, and I think the biggest problem with our ArbCom isn't borderline recusal issues, but the delays in getting the cases decided. (Understood that the arbs are busy people, but still.) Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk page present
Er, thanks! :-) I'm still trying to figure out what prompted it, though... Glad to see you editing again. Dmcdevit·t 02:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to your recent message on my talk page.
Feel free to delete this once you recieve it - just making sure you see the response. Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 21:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Joni
is there already. Here is where this is acting out. Coyotes in popular culture Carptrash 03:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh Foxes - we've not been there yet, but then the show is over - though we're still spinning tunes. and my partner [the man with the radio face] is interested.  Know any hamster songs?  Carptrash 04:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hamster Dance is a Disney song so we won't do it, but are playing Dead Hamster by Roy D. Mercer even as we speak. The hamster is named  Liberace, by the way.Carptrash 04:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Egg???
LOL!!! Eggs easily break, though. I'm not that sensitive. And I wouldn't want to be fried or scrambled either. Anyway, thanks!!!--Edtalk c E  23:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Larry's side
Here is Larry's perspective http://www.memoryarchive.org/en/The_Origins_of_Wikipedia,_2001,_by_Larry_Sanger A search for "consensus" in this document yields interesting results. Fred Bauder 00:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Query
Just as a point of information so I can form a further opinion on this, are we discussing re-editting an article for the expressed purpose of changing a comment made in the edit summary before the article is saved?

I think the intent of the proposal is speaking to insulting or otherwise offensive edit summaries that have alledgedly been made by some of the may parties to the dispute. There has been an argument made that the recipient of such comments in one part of the dispute be able to expunge what he considers to be a highly offensive comment made by an administrator who blocked him, to wit, "Blocked for Hate Speech". In another part of the case, the one we are discussing presently, there is a proposal speaking to commentary made in the edit summary at the save point of Wikipedia transmission.

Theres alot to be said for the ol' preview button, is my opinion. Hamster Sandwich 03:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, If my response was to you what yours was for me (and in re-reading it, I think perhaps it was), then first, let me apologize for not being clearer.

I don't know if this is true for all browsers, but for me, below this edit window is an edit box labelled "edit summary". It is roughly half the length of this box, and one line deep. if you type an edit summary longer than the length of the box, it auto scrolls. I presume the length is 255 characters. If you want to read the line from start, you either have to cursor all the way back, or hit the "home" key (or whatever other short cuts you may have). But the whole line is not "on screen", so there is no way to ascertain context, except from side-scrolling and/or memory.

Put a touch-typer in that situation, and I doubt they even look at what they are typing. And since there is no "page preview" for the edit summary, whatever you typed, is likely to be what is placed.

My thought is that we should present an opportunity for editors to not "trip up" in such a way ("Provide a postive environment which helps suggest wiki-love"). And one way that I feel we can do that is to have a way to view the "final form" of the edit summary, before it becomes final.

I would presume that the easiest way to do this would be to have the edit summary appear just over the edit summary editing box (between the cv/gdfl statement and the summary editing box), as an additional result of hitting "show preview". In most cases, I'd like to believe in the editor's good faith and think that an inflammatory, or even uncivil comment may have been a mistake or not well enough thought out. Seeing the edit summary in all it's glory might give that editor a moment to pause, and "self-edit". An edit summary typed "in the heat of the moment" may be less likely to be "self-edited", especially under the current viewing/editing conditions.

I also noted the added benefit for all users, in that it would also allow us to see how the markup will look (You don't want to know how many times I've accidentally typoed an edit summary link, discovering that it's red-linked in the edit summary, something as simple as leaving a bracket off of a link : )

As for removing edit summaries "after-the fact". Unless there is a legal issue involved, it's probably better to leave the edit summaries alone once "save page" is hit. If ARBcom, (or whomever else is appropriate) decides that an edit summary should be deleted (because it is felt that it should not be available for public consumption), I would think that we should just merely delete the individual page edit, which makes it unviewable by the general public, and the information remains for admins for future reference.

Hope it helps. If there is anything still unclear, or anything else you would like to know, please feel free to ask : ) - jc37 05:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Skor
In the Skor article you made about a year ago, you said that its Kosher status is OUD. What does OUD mean, I can't find anything about that on the Kosher article. <b style="color:#0099FF;">Sonic</b><b style="color:#CC0033;">3K</b><b style="color:#0099FF;">Master</b><sup style="color:#00CC66;">(talk) 17:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

nudgerrific
ha, :-D ! Good to hear from you, hope things are going well! FreplySpang 23:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I feel welcome
Thank you for your welcome. I am quite amazed that Wikipedia has grown to its current extent, there must be enough value in this empowerment thing to overcome its huge quantities of conflict and mischief.

Survey Invitation
Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 00:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)talk to me

N.B. Forrest
I guess your comment is in reaction to my edits to the disambiguation note. Feel free to edit it to clarify his role in the KKK, or to delete the text about the Klan entirely. (My main concern in doing that edit was to add some indication of what N.B. Forrest III was notable for.)--orlady 17:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Lusignan
Yeah seems pretty spurious, and it seems to be the guy himself adding the info. And thanks! I still have a few years to finish my PhD, and then Wikipedia can verify me all it wants! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adam Bishop (talk • contribs) 18:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism
Vandalizing someone's talk page is really, really dumb, since there's that little "You have new messages" with a latest diff link. Don't do that again. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And now we both have one, don't we? Hamster Sandwich 20:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's so easy to confuse vandalism and good-natured silliness. Don't mind my lack of a sense of humor today, then, not one bit. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers
Don't worry. I'm not going. As I say, I'm still very inspired by the cause of free content and am not planning on doing anything drastic. I'm just still disappointed with the community as a whole, the direction it seems to have headed, the disconnect there seems to be between the mission and the community, and, frankly, quite a few people in particular, who acted very discouragingly. But if it looks like I'm inactive, it's because I'm splitting my time much more evenly between Wikipedia and Wiktionary now, not to worry.

Of course, one of the greatest things about Wikipedia at its best is that it can be full of loving, patient people who stick up for their own and even worry when others are stressed. People like you. Thank you so much for the kind regards, my friend. Dmcdevit·t 08:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Trudeaujustwatch.jpg
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G'Day!
Thenksfer gennin backtummy abowt Nor-sinny. I woz born Nor-sinny, etcherly. Moved to ther bush. --Amandajm 02:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!
And for once something on Wikimedia happens sooner than the announced date. ;-) Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 02:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppet
It was my pleasure :-) If you got the time for it, please watch out for him too. I strongly suspect that we are dealing with a sock puppet of banned user His Excellency -- Karl Meier 16:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for pointing that out! I've added the reference now and will be watching arguments on the talk page. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 19:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

user:Twiceknown
This user, whom you blocked for one hour, I propose blocking permanently as a vandalism-only account and as a sockpuppet. Do you have a problem with that, before I do it? --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 00:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

DreamGuy my response to those who have commented on this user's blocking
(Posted also on individual talk pages) Thank you to Bishonen, LessHeard vanU, Hamster Sandwich, Lsi john, Butseriouslyfolks, Pascal.Tesson & Evilclown93 for taking an interest in this matter. I appreciate the views you have provided and understand them all to be in good faith. I detail the following comments for historical purposes: Again thank you all for your comments. Please let me know if anything at all needs further explaining. With best wishes -- VS talk 02:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) For the record I do not get upset by comments made towards me on wikipedia. If you feel that I have, those feelings are incorrect, and I wish to go on the record as saying that I do not have any personal issue with or feelings against DreamGuy in any way.
 * 2) People will have different views on edit-warring. That was absolutely neither my intention nor, in my view a reflection of my actions in regards to Image:Daredevil46.jpg.  DreamGuy placed a tag initially |here on July 5th that said, This images has been deleted probably some 20 times now under various names.... no fair use, not cover art that was used as cover, needs a speedy delete as recreation of deleted image, and the guy who keeps uploading it needs to get blocked so he knows not to pull this crap.... I mean, seriously, how many times do we have to delete this thing, he's just stubbornly refusing to listen.
 * I assume as a part of his admin role Evilclown93 removed that tag as detailed here.
 * Dream Guy's reply (unknown to me at the time) was to suggest that Evilclown93 was a sock of the uploader.
 * It was only a few days later that I, also as a part of my admin role came across the speedy delete request and confronted with the above rationale, agreed with Evilclown93 views and removed the request stating in my edit notice: reverted edits by DreamGuy to that of Evilclown93 - who is not a "sock" but an admin. Pls use only correct speedy tags before replacing (if at all).
 * A further four days later, again just as a part of my admin role (see history of my admin work for that day) I came across the renewed speedy request, again with the above rationale. Confronted by no more information, I removed the speedy noting in the edit summary: Speedy deletion tag removed - awaiting a NPOV request that retains civility!  You will note that I was talking about the content of the speedy deletion tag request of which I considered words such as the guy who keeps uploading it needs to get blocked so he knows not to pull this crap.... to be misplaced, no matter the frustration felt by Dream Guy.  I then left the matter.
 * DreamGuy it appears renewed his request again and without alteration at which point Butseriouslyfolks removed it, it was renewed and then Butseriouslyfolks put it up at WP:FUR.
 * I came across it a day later and after I had left an adjusted canned message (which as most of you know includes a welcome to wikipedia line) on DreamGuy's talk page that also said, politely, Please assume good faith in relation to tagging an image for Speedy Delete. The reason that two (and now 3 admins) did not agree with your tag was made more and more obvious to you. Quite simply your request was polluted with a non-neutral POV and did not nothing to assist us in attending to the request. Please do not continue to suggest speedy deletion in this method - no matter what editor is frustrating you with their additions as it belittles your otherwise good work. Keep editing!  My warning therefore was in relation to his edit-warring with three admins who did not agree with his method.
 * 1) In relation to blocking ... Following the posting at WP:FUR - at which I note Dream Guy has commented, he still reverted Butseriouslyfolks' removal of the speedy tag, even after Butseriouslyfolks wrote in his edit summary, Let's discuss it first, please?. Finding another reversion, despite an ongoing request at WP:FUR and noting that DreamGuy has been warned before and blocked before, and most importantly that whatever any admin did DreamGuy would revert, I blocked him for a period which I considered at the time to be commensurate with his previous block and the continued reversions.  To the extent that others consider that amount of time excessive I thank you, and particularly to Pascal.Tesson for his revision of the time line.
 * 2) I note the comments above that in the opinion of an other editor Dream Guy is not the most polite individual on wikipedia, but he damned sure isn't the most acrid either and I agree totally. Whilst DreamGuy may not be able to accept that my message to him as detailed above was positive - I reiterate here again for all and sundry that I believe he is an otherwise good editor that was confronted by enormous frustration over the image he has been trying to delete.  HOWEVER my job as I understand it is to assist in the protection of wikipedia.  For those edits that relate to this matter - in my opinion DreamGuy needed to be blocked so that the process of deletion or otherwise of this image could be dealt with, without having to battle his continuing nose thumbing at the Good Faith decisions being made - especially with regards listing the matter at WP:FUR.
 * 3) I should end by also indicating that my becoming unavailable at the time I did had everything to do with it being 2.00am in the morning at my location (bed and pillow beckoned) and no other reasoning.

Board election results
Sure thing: here 'tis  cheers Tvoz | talk 23:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * My pleasure - but why Why WHY  do you have a picture of Richard Nixon on your user page? Tvoz | talk 23:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Perfect response! Carry on. Tvoz | talk 23:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)