User:SilasW/S&MValleyLines

For Talk:This article does not conform to WP conventions, but it cannot as it attempts to clear a misunderstanding by some editors. Google listed 37 hits for "Sutton & Mole Valley Lines" (many of which are cribs or copies of the WP article) a significant contrast to the 100,000 for "North London Line". The map is intentionally very basic and links are avoided. It is hoped that the article can soon be ....

Sutton & Mole Valley Lines, or a similar name, has sometimes been applied informally to an ill defined group of connected railway lines in and somewhat beyond the southwest suburbs of London. A widespread failure to distinguish "Line" as tracks and "Service" as timetabled routes has compounded confusion.

Two uses of such a name occur:
 * 1) The only possibly "official" use is that the train operating company Southern Ltd. has applied "Sutton and Mole Valley" with or without "Line" or "Lines" to its services running over some of the lines listed below. The text which this version replaces said that Southern grouped all its services using Sutton under this name, however neither the article as it stood nor Southern online publicity material for "Sutton and Mole Valley" included the peak hour use of the Sutton (or Wimbledon) loop. The external link to Southern, below, carried over from that previous version, goes to "Sutton and Mole Valley London services route map" which is far from assigning a name to any line or set of lines, although the final word in the gloss of the link was "Line" it is changed here to "Services" for that is what the link is about. The map highlights the following services:
 * London (Victoria and London Bridge) to Balham thence to Sutton via Mitcham junction and via West Croydon
 * Sutton to Epsom Downs
 * Sutton, necessarily via Epsom and Leatherhead, to Horsham.


 * 2) Some WP editors have taken one of the variants of the name to be that of a line or lines and have shown connections to the false entity in articles and on maps. Those connections are being reworded.

None of the following segments (as opposed to services) which editors have variously bundled in the group runs as far as a central London terminus, though most of their services do.

A) Four running out from London suburbs B) Two linking the inner and outer lines of the group C) Two running beyond those links D) In this context the Epsom Downs branch occurs only on Southern's map
 * Raynes Park to Epsom - this is not served by Southern
 * Peckham Rye to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
 * Streatham to West Croydon
 * West Croydon to Sutton
 * Sutton to Epsom
 * Epsom to Leatherhead
 * Leatherhead to Horsham
 * Leatherhead to Effingham Junction

E) Effingham Junction (given in the earlier version of this article) does have a limited Southern service but is not on the company's list.

Each of the above segments is now linked to a more focused WP article.

Mole Valley Line
This is another ill defined line. Some hold it to be the line from Raynes Park to Epsom, possibly beyond, even to Horsham. One online article has it as the line from London Bridge thru Sutton to (but this may give a hint of the article's value) Horhsham.