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KioWare
I appreciate your feedback on the article. I am hoping to find out what you find promotional so I can make improvements. I'm happy to make modifications to the page to make it less promotional, if tone is the issue. Please provide feedback for improvement purposes. A lot of time was spent adding informational (non promotional) references. . . There are many competitors and similar companies to KioWare listed on Wikipedia with similar or fewer references/noteworthy comments and there are reference articles mentioning KioWare and other similar companies, which need a Wiki page to be listed. There is product history that should be noted and available for readers - historically significant from the standpoint of the kiosk industry (which has many pages referencing). I'm happy to make changes to make it non promotional, if that's how it currently reads. Lboniello (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Your closure of a discussion at WP:Amina Tukhtaeva
A colleague can not be deleted without reason we also understand template work together evaluate my created page this article should stand and should not insert a delete template; Jacob Mellis Worton (talk) 19:30, 11 September 13:30 2017 (UTC)
 * Your statement makes no sense. A 17-year old ski jumper from Kazakhstan with no coverage in secondary sources will almost certainly not be notable. Power~enwiki (talk) 01:38, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Your closure of a discussion at WP:Alina Tukhtaeva
A colleague can not be deleted without reason we also understand template work together evaluate my created page this article should stand and should not insert a delete template; Jacob Mellis Worton (talk) 19:30, 11 September 13:30 2017 (UTC)
 * Your statement makes no sense. A 17-year old ski jumper from Kazakhstan with no coverage in secondary sources will almost certainly not be notable. Power~enwiki (talk) 01:38, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Revert war on Jimbo's talk page
An IP was posting a rant on Jimbo's talk page and auto-reverting every time that someone would revert its edit. I notice that your section got caught in the crossfire and now the IP is just removing your section instead of re-adding the rant. Just a weird thing I noticed. Master of Time  ( talk ) 02:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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Expanded Ptolemy's Intense Diatonic Scale to Modes
Hello. Please, next time when you move article to Draft space, remove redirect either explicitly or by tagging it with Speedy Deletion, as I just did. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 22:01, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

About that poll
Hi, Power! Sorry if it seemed like I was harsh at the RFA poll. I felt like I needed to tell it like it is, and trust me, what I said is entirely true. But I don't want you to be discouraged or feel rejected. You could keep adminship in mind as a goal, and I want to suggest some things you could do to make that goal more achievable. (However, don't be too eager; people don't like to see evidence of WP:Hat collecting or of seeking adminship for its own sake.) Some suggestions:
 * Read through some previous RfAs, both successful and unsuccessful, to get a feeling for the process. I suspect if you had done that, you would never have filed the poll.
 * Work on article creation. Some people won't !vote for anyone who doesn't have a record of creating several dozen respectable articles. Some people want to see a GA or two in the mix although that isn't usually a deal breaker. I'll be glad to advise you on article creation if you like.
 * Get more experience at AfD. Your record there right now is not very good. On the good side, you do explain your !vote rather than just saying "Delete per nom" or some such thing; that kind of rubber-stamping is a negative. But your explanations are often not in line with policy and consensus, resulting in a "keep" !vote on an article where consensus is "delete" or vice versa. That's not to say the other people are always right and you are wrong, just that you may need to get a better sense of what the community does and doesn't regard as reasons to keep or delete. On the other hand, your CSD log is excellent; keep up that good work!
 * Don't spend so much time at ANI and AN and other drama pages. (Actually it looks as if you did cut back in September after spending way too much time there in August.) Jimbo-talk too. People would rather see you working to improve the encyclopedia, and too much "dramah seeking" can be a down-check.

Please understand that I am making these suggestions because I have been impressed with your potential from what I have seen of you, and I WANT you to improve and to be a great candidate next time. Any questions or comments welcome. --MelanieN (talk) 00:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way - any time you feel like you have "had enough" at the poll you can close it - or just say "Thanks for your opinions, everybody, I think we're done here!" --MelanieN (talk) 00:51, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Closed. I thought October was 6 months, upon doing math it turns out that's only 5. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Dropping by to say I think you are definitely on the right path. I feel like for this kind of case, Editor review would have been a better place to solicit opinions if it was still in existence :( Keep up the good work! Alex ShihTalk 03:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

MfD close review
Please revisit this one

I proposed Delete. There were only two votes for Keep including the creator and one non-policy keep everything regardless one. Note there is a whole AN thread about Taku's activity. There were two votes to redirect plus User:SmokeyJoe did not manage to type Redirect but he sure supported the redirect idea. I'm ok with redirect as well as it's better than a keep. Also since it's a very hot topic, you may want to let an Admin close it, but I fully support you doing an NAC. Legacypac (talk) 05:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The consensus seemed clear. Ignoring the general sense that Taku should move all of these pages to his user namespace, there's no support to delete this specific page. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * why would you ignore that general idea in the MfD, especially when it has broad support in the community? Legacypac (talk) 05:43, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Firther you should not be NAC closing as No Consensus MfDs related to this AN thread I suggest you unclose them and let an Admin do it. Legacypac (talk) 06:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) "Userfy". I signed off on someone else's quote of my argument to userfy.  This was yet another of 's notes pages that should be in his userspace.  The "keep" !votes are consistent with "userfy", and the page is not a draft and does not belong in draftspace.  As you made a contested NAC, you should revert your close.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have seen some off your recent MfD closes and will pretty much advice you to stop closing anything nominated by LegacyPac and tangentially or conjunctionally related to Taku and/or Godsy.It may be prudential to mention that I have thus reversed two of your NACs at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Genus (film) and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Norco (film).Also, that Articles for deletion/Tiamat (public figure) was hardly closed the correct manner.If you are withdrawing your nom, that shall be a keep. Notwithstanding all these and in spite of the few errors I pointed out, I feel pretty glad to see you working in a typically thankless area and wish to observe that you had done some pretty good closures too!Thank you! Winged Blades of Godric On leave 13:01, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Close of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Fibration of simplicial sets
I wonder if you could elaborate on your decision to close this discussion as "redirect"? There was only one comment suggesting redirection with no rationale at all, in the middle of three reasoned (barely) "keep" !votes. This seems like a bad WP:SUPERVOTE. I'm aware of the discussion about Taku's drafts but if something that happened elsewhere influenced your decision, it would be prudent to make a note of it in your close. I've also noticed just now that some of your other closes of discussions related to this dispute have been contested on this page. Per WP:BADNAC, I kindly suggest that it might be a good idea for you to refrain from closing any others at this time as the discussions are clearly contentious and should probably be closed by an administrator, but of course please feel free to comment. Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:42, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * There are some problematic votes there. As nom I can live with Redirect, and redirect in theory should satisfy the keep votes until someone decides to expand the topic (if ever). Any way, Power sure waded into some strange MfDs. Legacypac (talk) 16:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * There were two people in support of a redirect; Legacypac and Godric. VQuakr merely objected to the forum. The keep votes of Godsy and Taku are discussed in great detail on AN so I'll refrain from commenting here; but I felt a redirect was a non-controversial assessment of the consensus. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:49, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

WP:CRIN
These are the relevant extracts from the notability guideline:
 * has appeared as a player or umpire in at least one cricket match that is judged by a substantial source to have been played at the highest international or, if the country has Full ICC Member status, domestic level (see below re domestic cricket played before the first-class definition: this applies only to matches in Great Britain and Ireland, Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa and the West Indies)
 * The substantial source qualification includes any player or umpire (both men and women) who has appeared in a Test match since 1877; or in a limited overs international (including Twenty20 internationals) since 1971; or in any senior domestic competition or match.

It clearly states that notability depends on appearances in highest level domestic cricket as a minimum (obviously international cricket is a higher level). I can accept that you misread the guideline first time but you are deliberately obstructing the AfD now by refusing to accept that you are wrong. The AfD should be withdrawn because it has been raised on a false pretext. Jack &#124; talk page 05:22, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe that I am unable to withdraw an AfD after it has received at least 1 delete vote. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:26, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You can't close it yourself now, that's true, but you can post a "nomination withdrawn" comment if you wish, asking the closing admin to terminate it asap. Look, if you have any questions about CRIN or if you think we should revise it to reduce any ambiguity then let me know. Thanks. Jack &#124; talk page 05:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Aha, I found it. "Hence, a player who represented Kent in the earliest known inter-county match in 1709 is as notable as a player who represented Kent's first team in any recent County Championship season." as a sentence is completely clear, but several of the other sentences in that paragraph seem to suggest the opposite. As an editing matter, having a separately phrased guideline for pre-1900 players may be easiest to understand. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:43, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

"There are known knowns"
There are known knowns - The article as written feels like more of a Wikiquote entry than a Wikipedia entry. Is there any possible action that could improve the article or the encyclopedia? Power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Hi Power, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh 666 21:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

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Deprodding of Quetzal:_match_three,_let_the_prizes_come_to_me
I have removed the tag from Quetzal:_match_three,_let_the_prizes_come_to_me, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the file. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! --Dimotika (talk) 00:21, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Al-Hajibi
I noticed Al-Hajibi returned to the newpagesfeed, and noticed you had PRODed it. Should I review it or do you want to take it to AfD? Mduvekot (talk) 00:50, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to wait at least 24 hours before touching the article further. You're welcome to review it. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 00:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Dexia
Regarding your edits. It had been removed. Dexia still existed and still called Dexia. Did you mean Dexia's Canadian branch or RBC Investor Services? Matthew_hk  t  c  05:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * is the other relevant diff. Both that page and Belfius claim to be successors of Dexia, which (as far as I can tell) is in receivership. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 05:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Belfius is a subsidiary. I had read the citation, the company you concerned was Dexia Asset Management, NOT Dexia . Matthew_hk   t  c  05:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I confused Dexia AM with Dexia SA. I'll leave it as it was. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 05:59, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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Move review
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Steve Down
Hi Power~enwiki, don't forget to fix the refs. scope_creep (talk) 18:20, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * We have bots for that (specifically AnomieBOT). power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:22, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Got it covered - Anon1-3483579 (talk) 18:32, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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Could you please step up your game?
You left a vote at WP:Articles_for_deletion/Olympia_Nelson -- "this is a whole lot of puffed-up nothingburger."

Policy compliant not-votes base their arguments on wikpedia policies,on wikipedia guidelines, on long-standing wikipedia conventions, r on those essays that are so widely accepted they might as well be guidelines. (Technically, WP:SOLDIER and WP:Arguments to avoid] (ATA), are merely essays - but they are so widely accepted I am sure lots of people think they are official wikidocuments.)

Your comment, obviously, does not reference to any wikidocuments. Good faith contributors who think an article is on a notable topic, read the policy-based concerns of those who think an article should be deleted, and try to figure out ways to address those concerns, trusting that good faith contributors who had concerns will changes their minds if they see the weaknesses theyhighlighted were fixed.

So, how would a good faith contributor try to address the concerns that prompted you calling the article "puffed-up nothingburger". Rhetorical question -- your comment is completely worthless to anyone trying to make a god faith attempt to address valid policy-based concerns.

I think you need to be reminded that we are not supposed to leave opinions in AFD based on what we think about the current state of the article. Rather, any opinion we leave in an AFD is supposed to be based on the underlying notability of the topic.

Is it possible to leave an informed opinion on the underlying notability of a topic without performing any internet searches? Yes, but only when one knows a topic is notable from one's fund of general knowledge. But how can anyone leave a truly informed delete opinion, based on general knowledge? If they don't make the effort to perform the appropriate web searches, how can they know there aren't references out here, that would change their mind as to the topic's notability -- if only they had looked for them

Do you have to read Nelson's 2013 essay, "Dark undercurrents of teenage girls' selfies: Pouty self portraits have turned boy-girl relations into a cut-throat sexual rat race"? No, its importance is established, and the extent to which it established Nelson's notability, by looking at what other reliable sources had to say about the essay, and about Nelson.

This is one of the ways in which the current state of the article is weak, very weak.

But we don't delete weak articles, when the underlying topic is notable.

How closely did you review the results of a google scholar search on Nelson?

Legal scholars, child welfare advocates, mental health professionals, are all very interested in the topics Nelson raised. Most teens voiced their opinions on twitter, facebook, and other social media. Those social media comments are essentially unciteable, for scholars. Meanwhile, Nelson's widely cited essay is clear, intelligent, articulate.

Now, your "puffed nothingburger" comment may be your opinion on the topic of Nelson's essay -- pouty self portraits? Is that what you meant?

It doesn't matter that I, personally, think her essay was on an important topic, because, like every other wikipedia contributor, I am not a reliable source. This applies just as firmly to you. You aren't an RS either. The opinions of RS count. Our personal opinions don't. Our most basic polices establish this.

I think RS have spoken -- not just scholars. In the months following the publication of her essay multiple Australian TV and radio show interviewed her. Multiple Australian TV and radio shows profiled her. If you were aware of these references, and thought they were the "puffed nothingburger" is there a reason you didn't say so? If you were aware of these references, and thought they were the "puffed nothingburger" is there a reason you didn't explain why you don't accept that these references established notability?

Yes, ideally, the article should have cited more of those references. But we don't delete articles on notable topics, merely because the current state of the article is weak. Geo Swan (talk) 04:37, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * You are 100% wrong. Having taken so many words to prove your wrongness, I also accuse you of having a conflict of interest. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 14:18, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 100 percent wrong? Is there any point to going to the deletion policy, and quoting relevant passages?  Do you care what our policies say?


 * Conflict of interest? Really?  Are you accusing me of being Ms Nelson, or being closely related to her?  If not, exactly what do you think our conflict of interest policy states?  What, exactly, is your evidence for this accusation?  Geo Swan (talk) 18:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * The new page backlog is currently at 12,878 pages. We have worked hard to decrease from over 22,000, but more hard work is needed! Please consider reviewing even just a few pages a day.
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 * Primefac has created a script that will assist in requesting revision deletion for copyright violations that are often found in new pages. For more information see User:Primefac/revdel.
 * The Article Wizard has been updated and simplified to match the layout style of the new user landing page. If you have not yet seen it, take a look.
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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

There are a large number of new discussions on that page which may be of interest to people reading this talk page. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!


Happy Halloween!

Hello Power~enwiki: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  North America1000 02:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

ERevMax -RateTiger
Chhuti (talk) 06:11, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for your suggestions. However eRevMax RateTiger has been making hotel software for 16 years and the first one to develop hotel channel manager and integrated management dashboard - which was not mentioned in the article as we feel wikipedia is not the place for promotion. The company has over 9000 hote clients and winner of a number of awards - also note that it's one of the very few product companies in Kolkata. I hope this merits a place in wikipedia. Chhuti (talk) 06:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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Alt-right deletions
I've made a number of XfD and CSD proposals of contributions related to alt-right topics by two different users blocked for sockpuppetry. Please discuss any concerns here. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

A History of the Modern World
I have began to improve its content. But Could you give me a link, where to comment the Deletion proposal, please Boeing720 (talk) 06:55, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You can comment on the talk page of the article, Talk:A History of the Modern World. Beyond that, you can ask for help at the WP:Teahouse, or if you add material sourced to anything other than the book itself, I'll gladly switch to an AfD as a courtesy, which you can comment at as well. Just adding the list of chapters doesn't improve the article or make a case that it meets WP:NBOOK. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 17:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Had to begin somewhere. This work meets at least points 3, 4 and 5 of WP:NBOOK, it's University literature (the Swedish translation of its second edition, was used by my mother, at her history studies) Newer versions are in use today. It's used as source at Wikipedia and is considered reliable here. If you still insist, can you switch to an AfD, please ? Thanks Boeing720 (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Point 4 says in the footnote: "This criterion does not include textbooks or reference books written specifically for study in educational programs, but only independent works deemed sufficiently significant to be the subject of study themselves, such as major works in philosophy, literature, or science." I don't see any references which claim it meets points 3.  As far as point 5: "The book's author is so historically significant that any of the author's written works may be considered notable.", most of Robert Roswell Palmer and Joel Colton's works don't have pages, and the wrong Lloyd Kramer is linked. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:08, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Here, New York Times Boeing720 (talk) 20:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's enough to meet NBOOK, but it's enough that I've switched from PROD to AfD. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 20:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Vivek Bindra Article
hi This is Gourav and i want to Say that Vivek Bindra Is One Of The Famous Motivational Speaker In India and One of The Top YouTube Subscribed motivational Speaker you can verify this over Internet. Pls. help me to setup this page and i am not sure which content is promotional.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

K.Gourav (talk)

Help! 'Liane Chu' page
Hi there! Firstly, thank you for getting back to me regarding the 'Liane Chu' Wikipedia page. I had understood your proposed deletion of the page, however, I would like to know what I could do in order to prevent the page from getting deleted. Please advise! Also, I'm not entirely sure how to "remove the text that looks like this: ", as mentioned in your comments for the page. After I had opened the 'Edit the page' link, all the content was gone and I don't know which text I should be removing.

Thank you in advance for your help!

Best, Pngsh525

Help please : ANIs+Plamsa Physics
I was hoping for assistance regarding the problems of dealing with the two active ANIs and the behaviour of VQuakr stemming from the complex edits of Plasma (physics). So far I have been dealing with these complaints, which in the last three days is now beginning to cause me real distress. This individual has seemingly done everything possible to make things difficult, which seems towards intimidation. There last responses by VQuakr in the ANI case are disturbing. I've admitted my mistakes, and have tried to correct them, especially with Attic Salthere and here. I have also tried to since assist them several times. How do I end this?

October 2017
It was an accident. Don't come to me on your high horse.

Thanks !
As I finished my answer at the AfD, an "edit-conflict" "hit" me. It was really nice of you to add my comment inside the closed AfD, Thanks ! I wish to make a few comments, if you don´t mind. I began this article some months ago, my intention was to expand and improve it. By time. The sources were, as you put it, not sufficient, I realise that now . Other matters came up, and I guess I forgot about this article. There is more to write about it. Plenty of webb-sources, but whether they relate more to RR Plmar or to this article, is currently not fully "investigated" yet, if I may use that term. Also others might contribute. So we will see. I presume you're either still rather young or history isn't your main concern or both. Perhaps you are a "specialist" in cleaning up ? I don't know. And if I did, I wouldn't hold that against you. There are stuff at Wikipedia which doesn't belong in an encyclopedic work. So specialists in such matters are certainly welcome, as I see it. And given your politeness and helpfulness I think you are suitable for such tasks. But I don't really know if you are a such "specialist" About the content and re-translation of chapter and sub-chapter titles, this is far from optional, naturally. But I still think they can give our readers some perspectives about this work, and using the Swedish titles would in my opinion not be of any value. (And I do point that out, titles are re-translated from Swedish back to English) Any thoughts on that ?

May I also ask how you came up with this deletion proposal ? The reason I wonder, is (might be) related to a somewhat infected matter, which I though hoped was solved and that we had "smoked the peace-pipe", so to speak. You can see it here and. Also included in that mess are a one deleted article as well as a huge amount of photos for deletion proposals, but I'm not really a part of that issue. So in that respect I became involved in a larger matter between Swedish editors here and Swedish Wikipedia editors, who in my opinion have arrived here "temporarily" with a task from that Wiki. This appear to include some kind of personal harrasment of a North American-Swede, who has edited at both that Wiki and here. I was involved in the periphery of that "greater task", I guess. (Just for instance Swedish Wikipedia, in my experience and opinion, does not function even remotely close to the way this Wikipedia does. If this was Swedish Wikipedia, some admin had just decided to delete the article. And if I had protested, the admin could very well block me for a year or so, stating I'm a troublemaker etc.. This was the case as late as in 2011) So I simply wonder '' did someone else suggest to you, to make this deletion proposal (or have a look at it) ? '' A brief reply would be much appreciated and could be of help to me. Are "they" persecuting me or have I no reason for that suspicion ? Please note, this is not in any way any kind of accusation or meant for any other reason than given. Cheers ! Boeing720 (talk) 11:51, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a New Pages Patrol that lists recently created pages; I was looking at those created 30 days ago and not yet approved. I still don't see how it meets WP:NBOOK, but as pointed out that's not the correct standard for textbooks.  I have a bit of a tendency to step in disputes all over the project, you can note my multiple other deletion proposals from my edit history. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 18:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know the reason. And I can see that my time estimation was wrong.
 * (((But as you introduced WP:NBOOK I had not noticed that one before, if just one of the five points is met, it appears to be enough. No 3 can be disputed, but No 4 is obvious to me 'used at 1000 universities etc' and No 5 - former president of both Society for French Historical Studies and American Historical Association, in combination with his other academical works. . Also this book is "alive" a long time after the original author's retirement and death. I doubt if even The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich,Hitler: A Short Biography or Hitler: A Study in Tyranny stands stronger from the view of WP:NBOOK ? Perhaps the reason for not using it in cases like this...))) That was a parenthesis in triple. Life is much of an everyday school, perhaps not every day, but still. And I will have a look at that "New Pages Patrol" link myself. All the best Boeing720 (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

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Emo hip hop
As you were the original contributor to the tag, I would like to ask if I can remove the notability tag solely. The other improvement tags are valid, but notability is assured for this article; it has 19 sources as of current. So, I'd like to ask you if I can remove this tag. Thanks. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 22:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 22:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, the reason the page is named emo hip hop is because that's what the genre is called. It wouldn't make sense to have a different name. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 00:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * the article starts by says "Emo hip hop (also known as emo rap)", and several of the references only refer to emo rap. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 00:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * But you also stated in your edit description that emo rap would also not be a good name for the article. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 00:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not what I meant. I meant that it's possible that the page should be renamed from Emo hip hop to Emo rap; I'm not sure which is the best name. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Either is fine with me, I just thought emo hip hop made more sense for the actual genre; In actuality, the genre doesn't include as much "rapping" as other hip hop genres and includes more of a whiny and raspy singing voice most of the time. The main hip hop thing here is sampling, beats, as well as minor rapping. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 00:32, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

bot
It's been listed at WP:UAA. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It is my account, but I'm not going to remove it from there myself. I should have the proposal as described at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5 ready on Thursday. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 01:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)