User talk:128Sugarloaf

June 2017
Hello, I'm 32.218.44.183. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Janesville, Wisconsin, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. 32.218.44.183 (talk) 13:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes it is the third time you have added it and each time you have added it without any type of source where the information comes from. Do not add it back unless you add a reliable source for the information.  ~ GB fan 13:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please read. add a source for the information.  ~ GB fan 13:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. 32.218.32.137 (talk) 21:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

June 2017
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. clpo13(talk) 21:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring at Janesville, Wisconsin
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Janesville, Wisconsin. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. 32.218.152.113 (talk) 22:30, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Madison, Wisconsin
At Madison, Wisconsin, you added information to the economy section about poverty because you said "for some reason, this entry did not have the median family, per capita income rates nor the poverty rate for Madison. So I added it". It wasn't missing, but was in fact in the demographic section, with a proper source. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia editing before you continue. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:05, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring at Janesville, Wisconsin
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. The full report is at the edit warring noticeboard. You have been trying to add information about personal income but without supplying a source. Others have been reverting you on the grounds that the information is already provided. In case of dispute, you are expected to discuss with others and try to reach agreement. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 05:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Janesville edit dispute
Hi there.

I'm a little confused. I've checked into the Wikipedia articles of numerous towns in Wisconsin, and they include per capita income information and poverty rates. Why don't you want anyone to include this information for the Janesville article? I've noticed that towns @1/10th the size of Janesville include this information. What is so special about Janesville? I don't understand why you won't let anyone post the per capita income and the poverty rate. Please explain. Note: Ripon, WI, Markesan, WI, Berlin, WI Green Lake, WI and Princeton, WI and Hurley, WI all contain per capita incomes and poverty rates.

Also, shouldn't this information be under "economy" instead of "demographics"? If necessary I will bring this to a Wikipedia mediation. I'm very concerned that someone is censoring this information out unfairly for reasons I could speculate.

The information I am seeking to add to the Janesville WI article is from the government website www.census.gov If I'm doing something wrong here, please let me know. But this information MUST be on the Janesville page.

www.census.gov:

Income & Poverty Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015	$49,001 Per capita income in past 12 months (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015	$25,461 Persons in poverty, percent	15.2%

128Sugarloaf (talk) 22:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I have been blocked because my adversarial editor does not want me to post authoritative information ( from www.census.gov ) indicating the per capita income and poverty percentage rate of Janesville, WI. EVERY time I try to post this simple information, someone takes it down! The information is truthful, carefully sourced and extremely relevant to the economy or demographics of Janesville, WI. It appears as if several editors DO NOT want people to know these two statistics about Janesville, WI. I have been blocked for purely personal reasons that censor my right to add information to the Janesville WI page. Numerous other towns in Wisconsin, include the poverty rate and per capita income. Why not Janesville?


 * You were actually blocked because you were edit warring to get the information you think should be included, the way you want it included. Multiple people have tried to get you to go to the article talk page and discuss the edits.  That is what you need to do rather then continuously adding the information.  ~ GB fan 00:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

From 128Sugarloaf:

I understand. I will state my peace and then if we can't meet resolution about this rather simple, banal point, then we will need to have a mediator decide.

I've found yet another 3 towns in Wisconsin, Iron River, Milwaukee and Bayfield with the following demographic description:

Iron River: The median income for a household in the town was $28,796, and the median income for a family was $36,597. Males had a median income of $30,060 versus $18,125 for females. The per capita income for the town was $16,449. About 10.2% of families and 15.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 28.2% of those under age 18 and 12.4% of those age 65 or over.

Also, Milwaukee, from the 2010 Census:

Milwaukee: The median income for a household in the city is $32,216, and the median income for a family is $37,879. Males have a median income of $32,244 versus $26,013 for females. The per capita income for the city is $16,181. 21.3% of the population and 17.4% of families are below the poverty line. In 2010, rent increased an averaged 3% for home renters in Milwaukee.[46] Out of the total population, 31.6% of those under the age of 18 and 11.0% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Bayfield: The median income for a household in the city was $32,266, and the median income for a family was $36,500. Males had a median income of $34,375 versus $25,875 for females. The per capita income for the city was $18,377. About 10.5% of families and 11.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 20.5% of those under age 18 and 4.6% of those age 65 or over.

Why aren't I allowed to post the similar information, per capita, poverty rate and age groups of the poverty rate provided for Janesville? Why is this information permitted to be posted for Iron River, Markesan, Ripon, Berlin, Princeton, Green Lake, Bayfield and Milwaukee but not permitted for Janesville? What is so special about Janesville?

I've made copies of the current articles on Iron River, Milwaukee, Ripon, Green Lake, Berlin, Marksman, Bayfield and Princeton ( dated 6 22 17 ) in the event that anyone tries to delete this economic information from these articles and then claim this info never existed on those articles, such efforts will not prevail.

I find it very curious indeed that you have never provided an answer to my question.

The question is " What is so special about Janesville where you feel the per capita income and the poverty rate and age groups for poverty should not be included in either the demographics or the economy section of the Janesville article? " I'm waiting for an answer, which you seem unwilling to respond. Why?

I'm one guy. A lawyer from Chicago. I'm carefully keeping copies of our correspondence. Also, I don't mean to be rude or demeaning, but I need to know if I'm corresponding with one person or several person working together? Or are you really all separate people from separate wiki accounts who are NOT communicating with each other? If the latter, apparently the question of posting Janesville per capita and poverty rate and poverty age group demographics appears to be quite a hot topic for the Janesville WI wikipedia article. I don't know why this would be such a hot topic.

I will tell you that I am an American citizen, a lawyer, and a documentary filmmaker.

But first, please if you will, answer my question: Why won't someone allow the per capita income and poverty rate and age ranges for poverty rates for Janesville, WI to be included in the article when such information is posted for other cities in Wisconsin?

Thank you.

128Sugarloaf 128Sugarloaf (talk) 15:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Please excuse my typo, the city mentioned about is not Marksman, it is Markesan. Darn auto write! Thank you!

128Sugarloaf

128Sugarloaf (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I've removed a large amount of content from this page that was either
 * A). An attempt to continue the content dispute that got this editor blocked, or


 * B). Plain nonsense that was completely off-topic from Wikipedia or this block
 * I don't know which one it technically was, but it was inappropriate. 24.63.117.188 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I restored it, they are entitled to state their opinion. They have said they will use the talk page. It wasn't the content that was the reason for the block, it was the edit warring and not discussing. This is an attempt to discuss. No need to remove it. ~ GB fan 22:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you GB fan for agreeing that I should be allowed to discuss on this page. I believe my points are valid and fair. It's good to know that even though I might meet up with folks who disagree with me, editors like GB fan are willing to discuss and fairly allow me to discuss on this page. As to my friend, 24.63.117.188, who posted the A) and B) above. You, like the earlier editors still have not answered my central question. Why can't I be allowed to post the per capita income statistic and the poverty rate information about Janesville when such information is allowed for most if not all of the cities and towns in Wisconsin? What is so special about Janesville? I'm still wondering why no one will answer my question. Furthermore, 24.63.117.188, who are you to determine what is " inappropriate"? I have a doctoral degree and my information about Janesville, I assure you is highly appropriate. What is inappropriate is your effort to shove and push me around from adding valid and relevant information about one of the largest cities in Wisconsin- when all the other cities and towns in Wisconsin I have researched contain this exact economic demographic information about per capita and poverty rate. Your point A is preposterous since this talk page is the very page I should be allowed to discuss. Your point B states a conclusion without stating any evidence that it is "nonsense". Why is it nonsense? Please explain. You can't explain. You can only shove and push and act as if you have authority. You encourage me to push harder to provide truth to this article, truth to Wisconsin.

Most interesting of all, 24.63.117.188, is the fact that you deleted my comments above about the glaring inconsistency that most towns have this poverty info and per capita info but that when such information is added to the Janesville article it is deleted. You may have felt threatened in this argument that you chose to remove all evidence of our discussion on this page out of concern that you might be perceived as losing this argument. It took another editor GBfan to restore the information you deleted. You actually had the audacity to claim that MY actions were "inappropriate". Your edit bullying ( if not warring- that seems to be your preferred phrase ) is what is highly inappropriate and I am saving this talk page so you can't delete it, or if you are utilizing the efforts of a meat puppet, then such a puppet can't delete it in the future. Thank you again, GBfan for standing up to this individual in this instance.

AS A CONSEQUENCE TO YOUR DELETION OF PORTIONS OF THIS PAGE (WHICH GBFAN RESTORED), 24.63.117.188, I AM MAKING A COPY OF THIS ENTIRE PAGE FOR FUTURE USE. ( YOU'LL SEE ).

As for EdJohnson and Magnolia677- why have you both refused to answer my question? I've asked it several times. Still no answer. If several other cities and towns in Wisconsin have permitted this information- per capita and poverty rate to be included in their descriptive Wiki articles, towns like Hurley, Iron River, Milwaukee, Bayfield, Green Lake, Princeton, Ripon, Berlin and Markesan, why can't such poverty rate and per capita information be posted for Janesville? Why must Janesville be excluded? Why Janesville?

In any event, I insist the following information about Janesville, WI be added under economy section of the Janesville WI page:

Income & Poverty : Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015	$49,001 Per capita income in past 12 months (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015	$25,461 Persons in poverty, percent 15.2%

Are we in agreement that these statistics will be added to the Janesville article? When I obtain more statistics on the exact breakdown of the poverty rate as far as ages that comprise that poverty rate, I will add them as soon as I can identify an authoritative source for that percentage breakdown- just as they appear on other WI town and city articles on Wiki. ( I'm trying my best to be fair here. )

I have three additional statistics which I will NOT ask at this time to be added to the Janesville article:

41% of Janesville residents earn 40,000 a year or less. 60% of Janesville residents earn 60,000 a year or less. 20% of Janesville residents earn 100,000 per year or more.

Since these last three statistics do not appear on numerous other WI city sites I have researched I do not think it fair that they should be added to the Janesville Wiki page. However, I WILL add the information below to the Janesville page in a few days:

Income & Poverty : Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015	$49,001 Per capita income in past 12 months (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015	$25,461 Persons in poverty, percent 15.2%

Again, when I obtain more statistics on the exact age percentage composition of the Janesville poverty rate, I will add them too. This is consistent with all the other WI towns I have researched thus far. Your arguments against the addition of this information are not persuasive and will not hold up in court.

I will go forward and add these three facts directly above to the Janesville articles in a few days. If these stats are taken down again- via your own edit war upon these three standard statistics that are apart of every town and city in Wisconsin I've seen ( I've researched 8 of them ) but not, (for some reason that none of you are willing to provide,) for Janesville, I will seek a wikipedia mediator, providing all of the comments of this talk page to back me up. This is really crazy. Many of you are acting quite unreasonable.

By the way, GBfan, I am also a GB fan. ( I spent most of my childhood growing up in Central Wis. I helped pay my way through college by working in a WI steel fabrication factory in the 1970's- before it was closed.)

Sincerely,

128Sugarloaf 128Sugarloaf (talk) 14:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

128Sugarloaf:

I've added the information about per capita income and poverty rate for Janesville. I have carefully checked other cities in Wisconsin and note that none of them have the "mean income". That is a highly misleading statistic, and it is not used in presenting income statistics of cities. The mean income of the precise towns in which Bill Gates and Paul Allen live must be much larger than a median figure. The same probably holds true for various towns in Arkansas, as several members of the Walton family live there (Walmart). Omaha NEB must be huge because Warren Buffet lives there. Mean income provides a highly misleading indication of population income. In all the cities I've observed in Wisconsin, the following statistics are provided: median family income, per capita income and poverty rate. Mean income is NOT provided, so it shouldn't be provided for Janesville. So median and per capita income and poverty rate are the three statistics that should be used for Janesville. (Bear in mind, according the US Census Bureau, 60% of Janesville WI residents earn 60,000 a year or less. 2.1 % earn over 200,000- further evidence that a mean income higher than 60K is extremely misleading and that is why the other cities in WI don't include it.)

Finally, I note I never got an answer from all you friends as to why you didn't want me to post per capita income and poverty rate for Janesville, WI. No answer as to whether you folks were communicating with each other or operating independently in your effort to keep the per capita income and poverty rate off the Janesville, WI article. No answers. I guess it was something you didn't want to talk about. Must have been an embarrassing reason to never answer my questions.

If my per capita and poverty rate data is removed, I will complain to Wikipedia that you are conducting an edit war with me. I've made another copy of this talk page. Stay tuned, friends.

Have a good day, -128Sugarloaf
 * You said you would go to the article talk page. Why did you just insert your preferred version without discussing it on the talk page?  ~ GB fan 23:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

128Sugarloaf: I said last week on the talk page I was going to add the information. So I already was public about that. I took down the mean income statistic for two reasons: no WI towns have that info because it is meaningless and worse, it is very misleading for reasons I've mentioned. Other WI cities contain only median income, per capita income and poverty rate. I'm being fair here. I did what I said I was going to do. I added the info. I kept it consistent with other WI towns.

-128Sugarloaf
 * If you continue to edit the article without using the talk page to discuss the edits you will probably end up blocked indefinitely. ~ GB fan 23:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I have repeatedly used the talk page. I offered to have your friends comment on specific questions but no answers were forthcoming from your end. I made my recommendations and my last recommendations did not elicit a response. Your accusation is merely a pretense for trying to keep me from posting the poverty rate of Janesville, WI and the per capita income of Janesville, WI. You are making accusations in order to keep that information off the page. The per capita income and poverty rate statistics I have added to the Janesville page appear on nearly every other town and city in Wisconsin. You have never told me why your people don't want that economic data shared about Janesville. I still don't know why you are doing this edit war against me and the edit war preventing the information about the 15.2% poverty rate from being published about the city of Janesville, WI. Please explain. Also please explain whether you are communicating with the other people trying to keep the poverty rate and per capita income about Janesville WI from being shared with the world- when all the other towns in Wisconsin share that information. Please tell me, for crying out loud, why you don't want the poverty rate of Janesville, WI and the per capita income figure being shared on the Janesville, WI Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128Sugarloaf (talk • contribs)


 * Let me set you straight on a couple of things. You have never posted to the article's talk page, Talk:Janesville, Wisconsin. Your have posted to this talk page but discussions about an article should be on the article's talk page. The only time I have removed the data is when you added our without any source and when you copied and pasted from a source in violation of copyright. I don't know any reason the information doesn't belong. So you should get off your high horse and get your facts straight. ~ GB fan 02:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Complaint about your edits on my talk page
Hello 128Sugarloaf. Recently you made an edit at Janesville, Wisconsin where you removed the mean household income, $61,746 (which did have a source) and added a 'per capita income' figure but without providing an actual source. (You didn't link to any text that contained the dollar value $25,461 which is what you say is the per capita income). Another user has complained about your edits at User talk:EdJohnston. He argues that you are continuing to fight the same edit war for which you were blocked on June 21. You can respond to the complaint on my talk page if you wish. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Ed, I am responding by tomorrow morning in more detail.

But in a nutshell, as I explained above on this talk page- the page which is the designated talk page for this discussion- the mean income figure is a misleading statistic which is NOT used by any Wisconsin town Wiki entry I have checked thus far. The three most meaningful income statistics are: median family income, per capita income and poverty rate. As I explained above, if you were to go to a small town where a billionaire lived, like Bentonville, Arkansas, where Sam Walton resided- the mean income would be skewed higher due to the fact that Sam Walton was one of the richest men in the world. Mean income is NOT used for economic demographics for the Wisconsin towns I have checked (and I'll check several more tonight). Numerous wealthy people who comprise the 1% of Janesville, skews mean income higher- so that the statistic becomes highly misleading- why it is NOT used for the majority of Wisconsin town wiki entries- at least none of the nine I've checked. Who do we know who resides in that 1%? He could be a very powerful man or a a group of very very wealthy people.

What is used is median family income, per capita income and poverty rate. Finally your assertion that I did not use " an actual source ". I used the U.S. census site. If the U.S. census site is not an actual source, I don't know what is. Also, the numbers I have quoted are cross checkable by other sources other than U.S. Census. I am NOT the one causing trouble about the three Janesville income statistics. I am simply adding the same standard income information one finds on other Wisconsin city Wiki sites: Median family income, Per Capita Income and Poverty Rate. Finally, Ed, no one has yet to answer my question. Why are these income statistics permitted on most if not all Wisconsin towns, including all the towns I've checked on Wikipedia so far- but NOT permitted for Janesville? This must be the tenth time I've asked this question and not a single one of my adversarial editors are willing to provide an answer on this talk page. I'm still waiting for an answer.

Thanks. By the way, I've spent a good part of my life growing up in a small town in central Wisconsin. I love Wisconsin. But I love God and the truth just as much.

128Sugarloaf 128Sugarloaf (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I just checked five more cities and towns in Wisconsin, see below. I have now checked 14 cities and towns in Wisconsin. None of them have mean income figures. Not one. Why? Because the mean income is misleading and utterly meaningless for reasons that I have mentioned above. Below you will find the income demographics for three more major Wisconsin cities and two more small towns, bringing now the total to 14 cities and towns I've checked. Result: NO MEAN INCOME STATISTIC. If we checked the mean income of the Seattle suburb where Bill Gates lived, the mean income might indicate that people have an income several thousand dollars more than they actually do because Bill Gates brings up the mean to a number that is meaningless for everyone other than Bill Gates- particularly in a town with only 63,000 people like Janesville!

Fond du Lac:

The median income for a household in the city was $41,113, and the median income for a family was $50,341. Males had a median income of $35,682 versus $22,492 for females. The per capita income for the city was $18,996. About 4.6% of families and 7.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 7.9% of those under age 18 and 8.9% of those age 65 or over.

Appleton:

The median income for a household in the city was $39,285, and the median income for a family was $44,097. Males had a median income of $36,459 versus $22,890 for females. The per capita income for the city was $17,478. About 7.3% of families and 9.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 7.1% of those under age 18 and 4.8% of those age 65 or over.

Plainfield:

The median income for a household in the village was $36,328, and the median income for a family was $43,977. Males had a median income of $29,688 versus $19,750 for females. The per capita income for the village was $15,563. About 8.0% of families and 11.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 10.2% of those under age 18 and 14.0% of those age 65 or over.

Rosendale:

The median income for a household in the village was $52,448, and the median income for a family was $57,083. Males had a median income of $38,125 versus $26,250 for females. The per capita income for the village was $18,653. About 0.4% of families and 2.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 3.8% of those under age 18 and none of those age 65 or over.

Oshkosh:

The median income for a household in the city was $37,636, and the median income for a family was $48,843. Males had a median income of $33,750 versus $24,154 for females. The per capita income for the city was $18,964. About 5.2% of families and 10.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 8.6% of those under age 18 and 6.9% of those age 65 or over.

128Sugarloaf 128Sugarloaf (talk) 18:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Ed,

There is another reason why I posted those five cities above. You may notice that none of them have citations or headnotes- none! Yet I don't see my Janesville opponents screaming about the five cities above for not having an " actual source ". No, they just scream about Janesville, don't they? I ask you another question now. Why are you so stringent in your scrutiny about the " actual source " of the income statistics for Janesville but NOT for the 5 towns and cities listed above? Why only Janesville?

128Sugarloaf 128Sugarloaf (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Warning re Janesville, Wisconsin
You are risking a block for disruption if you revert again on any Wisconsin articles regarding census data, unless you have got a prior consensus on the article's talk page. The background for this warning is in the two AN3 complaints about your account, and is still visible above. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ed. Happy Fourth of July.

The information below contains all the demographic statistics for the city of Kenosha, Wisconsin taken directly ( copy and paste ) from the U.S. Census (census.gov) for the year 2010. I noticed on the current wiki Kenosha site there is some anecdotal income statistics listed under the Economy section of the Kenosha wiki page, but that info sites a statistic for the year 2006. It's best that Wiki sites for Wisconsin (or any state's cities) be updated, at least with every 10 year US Census data. I think this is common sense and quite fair. Frankly, I think it would be un-American to exclude standard census data (below) from the Wikipedia websites of U.S. Cities.

The last info we have on these stats are from the 2010 Census, so I am proposing we put the entirety of this census info below on the Kenosha page under either Demographics or Economy- preferably Demographics, but I'm open on the issue of whether Demographics or Economy. In particular, we need to put the number of veterans who risked their lives for our country on the wiki site- some of whom suffer from the effects of risking all for our country- many of whom might struggle with health issues and poverty.

I also am proposing we make similar additions for the cities of Janesville and Racine.

I am an American and most of all, I love Wisconsin and want to do well for my friends in that state. The truth, Ed, is sometimes a short term pain in the ass, but in the long term, I think the truth is the way to go. I come from a family of staunch Republicans. My uncle John donated money to all Republican Presidents. ( He once shared a Hi-Ball with Richard Nixon- as John was a big donor ). I respect conservatism like I respect the blood in my veins. But when information is not fully presented accurately on very popular sites like Wikipedia ( Fifth in the World for web traffic ), whether those inaccuracies are promoted by Democrats or Republicans, I stand up and fight against that. Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican President and he wouldn't stand for it either. ( I spent a lot of my time growing up near Ripon Wisconsin, so I've been a Republican much of my life. ).

As a source, I recommend keeping the written sources as stated below, but adding the census.gov webpage at the start and also at the end of the post so people will have more than adequate access to the full citation of source. Kenosha is the fourth largest city in Wisconsin and it, like all other cities, should contain ALL of the information below. Janesville is the tenth largest. Racine is also one of the largest cities in Wisconsin. I would like to make these additions, please let me know if you agree. I am a lawyer and I fully believe that these statistics are needed to give a full and accurate picture of the demographic characteristics of these three cities, Janesville, Racine and Kenosha. Let me know. I think Wikipedia needs a general over-haul in terms of adding these statistics. If these stats are considered essential by the U.S. Census Dept. then why aren't they apart of Wikipedia? I'll wait for your response over the next 2-3 days, but if I don't hear back, I'll go ahead and make the changes. Thanks, enjoy the rest of your Holiday- Happy 4th!

2016 Population Estimates 99,631 Source: Vintage 2016 Population Estimates: Population Estimates

Median Household Income $ 49,160 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Per Capita (Per Person) Income: $ 23,471 Source: www.census.gov

Persons in poverty, percent 19.5 % Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Educational Attainment: Percent high school graduate or higher 88.6 % Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Persons without health insurance, percent 10.2 % Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

Median Housing Value $ 141,400 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Total Housing Units 40,660 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Number of Companies 5,837 Source: 2012 Survey of Business Owners: Company Summary

Male Median Income $ 30,551 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Female Median Income $ 20,145 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates

Veterans 5,867 Source: 2011-2015 American Community Survey 5-Year Profiles

128Sugarloaf 128Sugarloaf (talk) 18:21, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Block
Huon, first off, thank you for trying to help me. I'm using the account 128Sugarloaf and you said this account should be unblocked. But I'm still blocked. Can you help me? I keep getting this error message:

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Editing from Sugarloaf128 has been blocked (disabled) by Yamla for the following reason(s): Abusing multiple accounts: 128Sugarloaf This block has been set to expire: no expiry set.

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 * Sorry, I didn't see your comment here. If you want to contact me on a page I haven't recently contributed to, you may want to ping me. You should also sign your talk page messages with four tildes.
 * There are two accounts: This one, 128Sugarloaf, which should be able to edit freely, and Sugarloaf128, which remains blocked. The block message you quote above clearly is from the latter: "Editing from Sugarloaf128 has been blocked". If you have problems editing from this account, please request an unblock and tell us the block message you see from this account, by using the code (including the curly brackets). Huon (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)