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IIVeaa aka 1Veertje removed a whole table of data
Objection!!! Why removed the whole table of data in March Against Monsanto without giving people time to more complete it? I spent 7 hours till 04:00 to do it and I　had to sleep. Do you really want wikipedia work for the best of all people? Or are you just doing it for your own rules? Do you have stock or funds or interested or know anyone related to Monsanto & alike?? 218.102.187.145 (talk) 00:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * uploaded this file to be used on the Dutch Wikipedia, but NL does not have a fair-use copyright law so was unable to place it on the article about the company. --IIVeaa (talk) 15:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

frequency of crying remark
Hi, I noticed that change too a while back, but I was not the one that made the edit. I think I just trusted the person who made the change for some reason, and that was a mistake! The edit was by 99.245.6.213 at 16:30, 18 July 2011. And I wasn't pointing this out to be a jerk, just didn't want you thinking all the information I was putting was inaccurate!--MGualdoni (talk) 02:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit Warring at Opera Mobile
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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Crying
Hi, I didn't remove the information on Newborn's crying patterns (as in the paper you linked) - that was still in the article & I was happy with that. I removed the info about Eastern European, African and Asian babies crying more which quoted the Johnson & Johnson study. If you read that one, there was not a word in there to support what was being said. I'll remove it again - but will make sure the french / german pitch information remains. Clovis Sangrail (talk) 00:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Librivox template
I don't know if it's just one book but, after the changes you made, the librivox template no longer works for the SM U-28 (Germany) article. -- Randy2063 (talk) 02:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It's been a while since I edited that template, but I think my reasoning at the time went something along these lines: very popular works (like the declaration of independence, or the declaration of human rights, or Oscar Wildes stories) have had multiple recordings. They do show up in the search results but you won't know they even excisted if you link directly to one recording. The way the linking was done wasn't a very human think and needed some geeking out before you getting how that template was suppose to work. I did have some plans for encorporating both the highly advanced direct link to a single entry ánd still making it posible to link to search results, but my template tweaking skills aren't that advanced. --IIVeaa (talk) 06:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You're right that the change needed to be made. Unfortunately, a lot of other links also need to be fixed.
 * The good news is that there aren't too many of them. I'll try to get to them later this afternoon if you can't.
 * What is the exact syntax?
 * -- Randy2063 (talk) 11:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * if you include it takes the pagename for both the searchterm and the title of the link. parameter 1 is the searchterm, parameter 2 an alternative title.Parameter 3 gives you the option of including the name of the translator. --IIVeaa (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed them all. Had I known beforehand that only one or two still worked then I'd have reverted your changes and asked that you make a second template.  I wish you had tested your changes on more than one or two articles.
 * I like the option, although the problem with that is that a more accurate search usually requires both title and author.
 * It would be nice if using it with only one parameter would then get the title from the article title. Right now it seems to use the searchterm as the title.
 * -- Randy2063 (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Reverting
Re: this edit Your revert is appropriate--the text that was added is unsourced, malformed, and possibly incorrect anyway. I simply reverted Cluebot before that because the anonymous IP definitely was not vandalizing. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Pass Cavallo
Pass Cavallo (Texas). Have another look at that. It looks to me like you were trying to upload an image of a map I don't think it worked. I think it has to be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons first. Maile66 (talk) 00:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's a TIFF file, not all browsers are too happy about TIFF files, I'll try make a JPEG version of the same file. --IIVeaa (talk) 09:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just had a look. It's terrific.  Thanks for adding this. Maile66 (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's part of the National Archives and Records Administration that has recently been donated. You can help out by going over the files that still need categorisation --IIVeaa (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, this could keep a person busy for a long time. Thanks for pointing me that direction. And by the way, I've never downloaded on Commons.  How does one do what you just did - convert the TIFF to JPG? Maile66 (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I download the file, open it in Photo Shop and save as changing the format to JPEG (drop down menu below where you name the thing). I think an open source piece of software like Paint.NET should work too --IIVeaa (talk) 15:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hmm deleting thunderf00t but keeping rebecca watson..... I smell bias. Infernal Demon (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Bell-gable
Some time ago, you suggested splitting this article. There is clear concensus to make the change. Would you be willing to make the change? Op47 (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

File:Antigoni Papadopoulou Photo.jpg
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What is the difference?
You seem to know about gables. What is the difference between a Dordtse gable and a Crow-stepped gable? Both names are used in the categories here:. If they are the same it is silly to use both categories. Better then to mention in Crow-stepped gable that there is another name. What is your opinion on this? --VanBurenen (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Dordtse gables used to be the final exam for a master mason in Dordrecht. It's a subtype of stepped gable, in that it usually features docorated ancors, has clover leaves in the arches above the windows -- Vera (talk) 16:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Dank je. --VanBurenen (talk) 17:25, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Clément Janequin
Hi!

I understand you supplied the image here - but I'm afraid this is definitely not Janequin (although the source of the image suggests it is): It is one of several paintings of Henry III of France - cf. the images in wikimedia commons category "Henry III of Poland and France". As I don't know a great deal about editing I'll leave it to you to make the necessary changes. . . NobbyHH (talk) 21:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I know too little about the matter to find a right picture. A lot of sources seem to say that this is him. --Vera (talk) 21:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Bot blocked
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Keyboard
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Rebecca Watson
We have been through this a dozen times? So because people disagree on deleting a page we have to puppy-guard a wikipedia page/ Cmon man Infernal Demon (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That is what it means for there to br consensus -  15:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

So if there is not a consensus on an article the article stays up? Ok... By The way I am not a troll or to engage in a edit or flame war with you. i just firmly believe that page is not notable according to wikipedia's deletion standards. Infernal Demon (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

ok. I'm not even going to mark the page up for deletion for a 4th time. Fine. If this is your Alamo and you have to defend it go right ahead. And you can name call all you want and say I'm a troll. Infernal Demon (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Removed
Hoi Vera,

Ik zie dat je mijn aanpassing op http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Bike vanwege vermeende advertising hebt verwijderd. Hoe moet ik het dan plaatsen zodat het wel toegestaan is?

Hoor graag van je.

Gr Merlijn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlijn007 (talk • contribs) 09:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Als ik een gepast had gezien een andere manier van publicatie te maken, dan had ik het artikel naar dat inzicht aangepast. -- 10:06, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, i dont quite understand what you mean. Can I just add a photo then, since there are many other photos from party bikes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.86.225.108 (talk) 15:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Your question about Google Maps on Tool Labs
Hi Vera!

At Wikimania, you asked if it's okay to use Google Maps in tools on Tool Labs. I don't know if you follow either labs-l or toolserver-l. Here is a summary of the discussion: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/toolserver-l/2013-August/006251.html Bottomline: Give examples! What does the tool do exactly? Cheers, Silke WMDE (talk) 13:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! My app has been approved to be published on Labs here. I've been having so trouble publishing my app there though, partially because of lack of time. I got SFTP working this weekend though!.
 * My app doesn't point users to Google Maps, it uses its API under the hood to gather geocoordinates to add these to lists of municipal monuments. I could put a checkbox at the starting page that confirms people agree to the terms of use? -- 13:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for inviting me to record my voice. I will do that as soon as my computer is repaired (which should be either today or tomorrow). I read the instructions and find them a little confusing, but when the time comes I will ask you or someone else for assistance. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Edits to Federal savings bank
Hi. I wanted to inform you that I removed a section that you added to the federal savings bank article. This article focuses on the definition of what a federal savings bank is in the United States and not the company article itself. I have added the information you input into the Paul Manafort article and I credited you in Manafort's history revision page. FunksBrother (talk) 03:41, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ah, my bad1Veertje (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Videos
Hi 1Veertje. I've removed a couple of your recent video additions as being problematic in the context of WP:SOAP and WP:POV. I see you've added quite a few of such videos. Have you had discussions about such additions, or are you working from consensus developed from others' discussions on the topic? --Ronz (talk) 21:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Again, adding a video about a research project seems to promote the project and give it undue weight. --Ronz (talk) 23:36, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't thing it's something that should be decided between you and me. It should be decided on the article's talk page.--1Veertje (talk) 13:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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Stadium Rename
I saw you have relocated the Cars Jeans Stadion from Kyocera before, could you please do the same for the JenS Vesting, which is now called De Oude Meerdijk? Krughal (talk) 10:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ 1Veertje (talk) 12:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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The English language Wikipedia should grow up and accept wiki data parameters 1Veertje (talk) 23:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

thanks for creating #visiblewomen
tweet here Victuallers (talk) 12:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you. I've created wikidata items for people who I was able to identify in this photoset.seee an overview of these items--1Veertje (talk) 00:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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Manhatten
Dear Vera,

I randomly clicked on a link on User:Jim.henderson's user page, to "Vera de Kok's list of NYC targets", and found that "Manhattan" is mis-spelled in the panel to the left. Not that it matters. Maproom (talk) 10:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * hi! Fixed it :) 1Veertje (talk) 11:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Adam Leipzig
Hi. Would it, do you think, be at all useful to report and block Adam Leipzig's entire sockpuppet farm? while keeping the page, which I suggest because he does seem ot have the sort of sourcing that makes it hard to delete, my usual preference with obvious PROMO E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know, in recent years he/his people seem to have taken to editing from ip addresses. The various accounts that have edited it have done so sequentially. I doubt the old accounts will rear their heads again so it's probably not worth the trouble. 1Veertje (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikitrain from Copenhagen to Stockholm on Monday August 12
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Gregory Lee
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Re Watchmen ep5
I understand where you are coming from in calling what Wade/LG went through as "sexual assault" but that is original research in context of the episode and sources. I looked to see if any RS called it that, and the closest I found was which Lindelof explains what the scene was to be - a young person scared about sex, not someone that was sexually assaulted, that coupled with the big attack, caused trauma for life. You need to find multiple RSes that consider that scene to be one of sexual assault to make that case. --M asem (t) 15:13, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Reviews calling it what it is: 1, 2, 3. --1Veertje (talk) 12:36, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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After seeing the objection, I've declined the technical move of Oliver Laxe to the accented version. When a person deserves an article due to their work in a professional field, it is normal to see by what name they are usually referred to in that setting. It is hard to see many sources for the Óliver spelling. If you still believe the move is desirable, you can open a WP:Requested move on the article talk page. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * @Andrew did you see the Discussion tools in the bèta features? Some projects already have it on by default, which is how I learned of its existence. It's quite neat. You don't have to remember the accolades or indentation. 1Veertje (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me. I've got this turned on in my preferences but haven't tried using it yet as I'm more familiar with other ways of doing this.  But if it's working well for you, I'll give it a try now. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:31, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hallo Vera
Just to demonstrate the working of the talk page for Sydney! Greetz, Dick Bos (talk) 13:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hoi! Alvast een fijn weekend 1Veertje (talk) 13:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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ABA lead
Hi! I noticed you added some information to the lead. I do not see an inconsistency with that information and what is already in the lead so I kept it. I have added back language that was removed by you, as since this page has been the subject of many editing controversies for years, it was widely decided by editors of the page that any alterations to pre-existing language in the lead have consensus first.

Please note discussions about the lead last year. The current version has been extensively litigated and it was decided that editors seeking to change the lead should seek consensus first. That is what I was referring to. Please seek this course of action over unilateral changes that are more likely to cause discord rather than mutual agreement.

Talk:Applied behavior analysis/Archive 4 Barbarbarty (talk) 01:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * If you are concerned about potential minimizations of ABA disputes in the field of psychology, would something proper to you be like: “particularly in the autism rights movement and among psychologists”? Barbarbarty (talk) 06:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you can't accept that it is controversial - full stop. People are subjected to it by psychologists and there is a sizable group of psychologists who have shown it to be ineffective, harmful and based on an outdated understanding of autism. (the Dutch HHS report also concluded this). Understandably this has lead to autism rights movements mobilizing to protect autistic kids from being subjected to it. The autism rights movement isn't the cause or the scope of where the controversy resides. 1Veertje (talk) 11:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I accept it is controversial in certain sectors, but I cannot see it as an issue that is viewed as “controversial” in the general, universal sense. There have been disputes over the language in the lead regarding whether past manifestations are too favorable or critical of ABA, and this topic specifically was extensively litigated last year and other times before that. Would a compromise for you be something like “ABA is considered controversial, particularly within the autism rights movement”? That language specifies the autism rights movement, but also leaves room for other areas where ABA is considered controversial. There is also much discussion on psychologic critiques of ABA in the section of the article pertaining to its use in “treating” autism. Please feel free to add to that section if you feel it is insufficient. Barbarbarty (talk) 22:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It is irrelevant what other sectors other than the field of psychology don't consider it controversial. It is controversial - full stop. Just because you want to drag this discussion out for some reason doesn't mean it's a valid discussion. 1Veertje (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m sorry but your argument is simply not convincing. I’m not “dragging” out the conversation, but you seem to not be interested in an actual resolution. You seem unwilling to reach any compromise, and all I am saying is that when this was discussed in the past on the article’s talk page, other users also did not find convincing evidence of what you are saying. If you would like to open a RfC or other mechanism to gather consensus to change the lead, please feel free. However, until then, I simply feel it is best to keep the status quo for the lead until we get more eyes on the article. Barbarbarty (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)