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Yang Wang
I have had the information from Cercle Brugge's webmaster. He received the official transfer documents from the Cercle Brugge board. On those documents was filled in that Yang is his surname and Wang is his first name. But if you would have different reliable information, please don't hesitate to let me know ;-) Grtz Karma-AH (talk) 05:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I had no chance of seeing any official document regarding his transfer or identity, but his transfer to Cercle Brugge drew much attention in China football community. His Chinese name is 汪洋, 汪Wang is the family name and 洋Yang is the given name with the literal meaning of "ocean". The following page on sina.com introducing his recent goal in a reserve match there can prove that his name is 汪洋, but not 洋汪. That's all I can provide. I can understand that because the different order Chinese people and westerners adopt will probably cause that result, maybe only when his family name is filled as Yang can the displayed name be actually Wang Yang, just like in games such as FM. Finally, you can trust me, I'm myself Chinese native. ;-) Aa4 (talk) 06:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information! I have passed it through to the Cercle Brugge webmaster. I hope the board will double check :-) Grtz Karma-AH (talk) 15:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Good for you. And I found that your another page on a Chinese business man Ye Zheyun having the same problem. What's funny is that noboday here knows about his actual name in Chinese.

Xiaoting Pan/Pan Xiaoting
Hi Aa4. I have reversed your edits to the article and its redirect. If a page is to be retitled, its edit history must be preserved to comply with the GFDL (what all our content is licensed under), so it must be moved to the new name rather than cut and pasted there. If you feel strongly about the issue, you can request that the article be moved at the requested moves page. However, please note our naming convention guideline, Naming conventions (common names). In short, articles should be at their most common names in English. She is on TV in the U.S. just about weekly in one match or another on ESPN and other stations and as far as I have ever seen, is always billed as Xiaoting Pan, rather than Pan Xiaoting. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I tried to move the title in the way I thought correct, but it indicated that there had already been a page named "Pan Xiaoting", so I did what I did :). It's all right actually for me to live with "Xiaoting Pan", though the correct way to call all Chinese names according to Chinese national standard is "family name + given name" no matter in Chinese or in foreign languages. It appears that most of the pages in wiki comply with this. Sure, I will learn more about this, thanks!Aa4 (talk) 13:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me clarify some technicalities. Anyone with an account can move a page (well, once they are autoconfirmed; not relevant to you) but only if the target is either nonexistent, or only has a single edit to it pointing back to the article you are attempting to move from. If the target title already exists, and it either has more than one edit in its history, or doesn't point to the article you are moving from, only an administrator can move the page. When that is the case, you can request that the page be moved at Requested moves, following the process instructions at the top of the page (it also has an uncontroversial move section for things like misspellings and the like, which are taken care of very quickly). I am aware of the family name issue and this has come up before with regard to biographies of Chinese individuals. Some of our naming conventions can seem a bit counterintuitive the first time you come across them. Per this naming conventions guideline, the basic rule we follow is if a person is well represented in English language sources by a particular name, we title the article after the form that the English language sources call the person, betting that the most people looking for an English Language encyclopedia article will use the form of name the person is know for in English sources, even when it may not be their birth name or name order. Of course, since the redirect exists, anyone searching for Pan Xiaoting will reach her article (the beauty of redirects). At this point I;m not actually sure that this article anme is so clear cut. I just searched and though the present form does have more sources, its not a huge disparity. So a requested move might actually work here. It's just that we can't do it by cut and paste because the edit history of the article is lost and the attribution of the edits is required under the GFDL. I hope that clears up some matters. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

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FINA
Hey, they do get medals? If so, they should remain on the list of course. Kante4 (talk) 13:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Owh, ok. I thought only those who really participated receive one as the others did not do anything for it. ;-) Then i´m sorry and you change it back as i create the swimming articles today. Kante4 (talk) 13:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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