User talk:Abedwayyad


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Welcome
Hello Abed, welcome to Wikipedia. I hope to work with you on many articles. Meanwhile, please join me in a nice cup of tea. . RolandR (talk) 11:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Useful pages
Hi Abed

You may be interested in WikiProject Palestine and WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. You should also note the special rules relating to the Israel/Palestine conflict, resulting from the hostile nature of much editing on these articles. Happy editing! RolandR (talk) 16:20, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Merger of Mandate Palestine
I would like to ask you to post your opinion on the issue at the talk page, not at the wikiproject Palestine. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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The article on the Doha Center
Dear user colleague Abedwayyad: I corrected some of your entries on the Tausch article, mentioned by you, which does nothing else than to correct the averages provided by the Doha Center in its Arab Opinion Index by population weighted figures. Since, say, Egypt is so big in terms of population and Mauretania is so small, this has to be done, if we want to arrive at a true overall picture of opinions in the Arab countries. Tausch also says clearly that support for democracy in the region is enormous; his point is however that the support for the structures of civil society, with justification deemed necessary by many political scientists, including Gabriel Almond, for democratization, is still relatively weak. I hope you agree with this point. I also said at the beginning that the Doha Center indeed is a very important think tank, political controversies about its director Mr. Azmi Bishara, notwithstanding. I am against the degrading of good academic think tanks in any country, but by qualifying the GLORIA Center as a think tank of the Israeli military, dear user Abedwayyad, you do the same: You know, by degrading the think tanks of "the other side" we will never arrive at more humane structures in the world; and I say that BOTH the Doha Institute and the Gloria Center do important work in the field of social science. Lets calmly read the papers of such think tanks, and ask us ourselves what are the arguments, what is the evidence? Going through the pages of the MERIA Journal of the GLORIA Center, you will find that leading academic figures, including from Turkey, have written very valuable articles in it, just as I find that many of the papers of the Doha Center are truly interesting. Facts, not ideologies count. Let's leave politics aside, and let's leave it also aside on the pages of this article, and let's look at the academic work of those writing for think tanks. I also think that the last paragraph of your article should be moved to the WIKIPEDIA article dealing with the political figure, not the academic, Mr. Azmi Bishara. John de Norrona (talk) 19:19, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Arab Opinion Index and the Gloria Center article by Arno Tausch, whose mentioning was deleted by user Abedwayyad
Regarding the debate of the article http://www.gloria-center.org/author/arno-tausch/ in the article on the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies. Let's assume for reasons of calm and politiness that the deletion of mentioning of the Tausch article in the present Wikipedia article is not vandalism, but political passion by a Wikipedia user. Political passion is always a bad companion for a thoughtful analysis. There is no such thing as a "Herzliya" Institute, but only a "Gloria Center", and the allegation that this is a "Israeli military think tank" is not substantiated in any form; and at any rate: so what? I suspect that your knowedge of the center is still limited, judging by the erroneous mentioning of their very name in the first place. Good global think tanks, like the Rand Corporation, the Hudson Institute, the Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik, the IMEMO Institute in Moscow, the Instituto Fernando Henrique Cardoso in Brazil (my favorite one) or - for that matter - the ACRPS - all have relationships with governments, and many of them with the security agencies of these governments, and I hasten to add, the world would be much more peaceful and better, if only the political classes were to listen more to their expertise. Passionate follower as you are of what you term the "Palestinian cause" you should start to read, for example the Wikipedia article on Martin van Creveld, and you will realize how useful and good the analyses of researchers from think tanks can be, even in the passionate atmosphere of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. As I said in a comment to you, Mr. Abedwayyad, before: the region can learn a lot from the rational governance East and West acquired during the time of the Cold War, and the regular reading of the materials, produced by the think tanks of the other side, was part and parcel of that governance. As far as the entry on Tausch in the ACRPS is concerned, it was you who began the Tausch debate in the first place; since you now deleted the mentioning of the Tausch article altogether, I say: better no entry on that subject than a wrong entry. Of course, any 100 class of social survey research will teach you that if you have a survey of the usage of red shirts on Mondays, and two countries - one with 90 million inhabitants (country A), the other with 10 million inhabitants (country B), and in country A 50% are wearing a red shirt on Monday, while in country B only 10% are wearing a red shirt on Monday, it would be wrong to assume that in both countries 30% (the simple average of the two survey results) of the people wear a red shirt on Mondays, since in country A 45 million wear a red shirt on Monday, and in country B 1 million wear a red shirt on Monday, which makes 46 million people in both countries, i.e. 46%. The ACRPS however exactly provides only averages of the survey results, WITHOUT population weighting: The March 2012 of the Arab Opinion Index edition says on page 7 in reference to Figure 1 on page 8 quite clearly enough that 73% of the citizens of the Arab countries are satisfied or very satisfied with their lives. What Tausch did in his article is only to provide the population weighted results, and also to develop UNDP type indices from the ACRPS results. Where Tausch agreed in the interpretation with the ACRPS was that the desire for democracy in the region is enormous, but where he disagrees is that (given the weight of the Egyptian results) mass support for secular, democratic civil societies is weaker than suggested by the ACPRS, when you once introduce population weights. This certainly is a valid point, and several ACRPS research papers argue anyway along these lines. So why engage in an edit war? John de Norrona (talk) 09:21, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Let's just leave this out
Hi John. Thank you for taking the time to look over this so thoroughly. I am not going to engage with the valid criticisms which Tausch makes about the results. I think this might either be better placed in the article on the researcher on Wikipedia, or perhaps something separate all together. Maybe a different section of the article; but I think it's only fair to allow the ACRPS its own article.

I just want to avoid the controversy entirely.

Abedwayyad (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Sounds constructive
ok thanks you now understood the concern about pop weights, so inshallah lets wait and see. I think also you should highlight the ACRPS graduate research programme. perhpas you can say a word or two about the paper series etc. John de Norrona (talk) 11:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

The removed Jersualem Post quotation
Sorry, the removal really borders on vandalism. The article in the JP is a thorough and positive appreciation of the analytical work of the ACPRS by Israel's most authoritative paper John de Norrona (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

What is bordering on vandalism is the way you insist on keeping this up. Now there is somebody else, too, who is just quoting from the website. I don't know where to stop and which one of you to speak to first. Just please let the page breathe. All relevant material will be added in due course. Abedwayyad (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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