User talk:Agne27/Archive 6

As your interested...
What GA could have been? Marskell 09:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Vinography Ad flag
Why do you feel like a list of press coverage for the particular topic is tantamount to it being written as an advertisment? Is it because the title for that list of links is "press coverage" as oppposed to "external links"? If so, I will make that change. There are plenty of other precedents in Wikipedia for listing press mentions of a topic as a series of links, e.g. Woot, Drudge Report so the mere existence of these links in article shouldn't be a problem. -- Gnocchiandwine (talk) 17:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I felt the article reads likes an advertisement and according to our external links property a link farm of such a nature would not be appropriate. Feel free to look at our WP:ADVERT policy for more information. I would also caution that your edits seem to imply a possible close association with the subject matter. If you are connected, either professionally or personally with the project you may want make recommendation on the article's talk page or on the Wine Project talk page to avoid any possible conflict of interest. AgneCheese/Wine 19:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Bank of Sweden/Nobel Prize
Your comment is interesting, because surely the point of having the correct name ("Bank of Sweden Prize...) is that it doesn't elevate that status of the economics prizes to the level of the other real Nobel prizes?? Haven't you got it backwards? Please reconsider.  Wik idea  10:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't think the average reader cares that much about semantics and wordplay. The prestige and notability of the award is not really affected whether or not it is sponsored by the Bank of Sweden or sponsored by the Nobel Foundation. It's commonly known as the Nobel Prize in Economics. It's given at the same ceremony. The rest is just periphery. My belief is that it would be a disservice to the reader to have the article at the uncommonly known and awkwardly titled Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel and I don't think I'm alone in thinking that I'm at the wrong article if I came upon that page when I'm looking for the Nobel Prize in Economics. AgneCheese/Wine 11:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you guys please move/copy this conversation back to the survey since it's a response to a vote there? Thanks!  –panda 17:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Nobel famously detested economists. This is why he did not endow this prize. It is a blatant posthumous hacking of his intentions on the part of the bankers in Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.241.76 (talk) 01:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

History of American wine
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 * Wow, that is quick. Like less then a minute. :) I was creating a split from the main American wine out of the humongous history section there. I'm not aware of a copyright vio and do not know who the original author is but will look into the information. AgneCheese/Wine 06:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Nobel Prize
Could you please give some feedback on the discussion in Talk:Nobel Prize? I've also asked a couple other editors for their opinion. Thanks! –panda 18:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Failed verification
Hi. I can only assume that your removal of my citation in Kistler Vineyards was either an oversight in fact checking or perhaps since it's on one of the last pages of the book after the index, maybe not included in all printings. I've restored the citation and included a URL. (no biggy) But more to the point, I too am a stickler for citing sources and I actually appreciate your verification. However, I find it's often a better idea to tag a citation with either or  for at least few days to give the editor the benefit of the doubt if it seems like they're an earnest contributor. Courtesy and inclusion goes a long way on WP. Cheers! Toddstreat1 12:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I apologize if that came across as discourteous. Considering the fluid nature of the wiki, I tend to take Jimbo's words of just remove it rather then tag and wait to heart. It's better to have no information then to potentially have incorrect information. If I was mistaken, it's an easy fix. Though after reading the "Do yourself tasting guide" section that you posted online (and admittedly its not in either of my two copies of Tabers book), I have to admit I still have doubts as to the strength of that reference. The "leading Chardonnay" is quite vague and Kistler is mentioned almost in passing with no collaborating statements to back up the claim that they are a "leading producer of chardonnay" (Sales, production volume, range of distribution, history? etc). It just seems like an unsubstantiated personal opinion and just a token mention at that. AgneCheese/Wine 22:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

American Viticultural Areas
Good work on getting all the names of the AVA's switched to (Name) AVA format. Now we just need to create pages for those that don't already exist. In addition to the Virgnia wine article, I'm going to try to work on the East Coast AVA's that still need articles. VirginiaProp 22:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate your work. Again let me know when you start and I'll be glad to pitch in. AgneCheese/Wine 22:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Low-end fortified wine
Well I've moved it there - I don't think original research is a concern, as we're not putting this forward as a colloquialism, rather than as a description of the class. Cheers! bd2412 T 03:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter for November 2007
The November 2007 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles newsletter has been published. Comments are welcome on this, as well as suggestions or offers of assistance for the December 2007 issue. Dr. Cash 01:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Gilbert Perreault
I am unclear on your position. It seems you are saying removing citations in favor of a ref section is bad, but then with respect to the article you are saying it is not necessarily well cited. However, this is not clear. In short, it sound like you may be on my side, but I can't really tell.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not on yours or anyone else's side. I strongly favor the use of inline citations but my honest opinion was that as a GA reviewer I wouldn't have passed the Gilbert Perreault article that you original did without some improvement to the citation structure of the article. (I certainly wouldn't pass the current version). I tried to give some example to explain that you don't need multiple citations for the same claim but you do need to make sure that more opinion oriented claims (like the two I picked out) are cited. This meant that in order for the article to be "well cited" some redundant cites would need to be removed but some relevant cites would be added. AgneCheese/Wine 02:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Agne
You're pretty darned impressive yourself :o)) --mikaultalk 15:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Wine Portal
I've stopped by the Portal:Wine a few times and noticed it hasn't been updated since I believe April. I've been updating the Portal:Food for the last six+ months along with the other stuff for the WikiProject Food and Drink and was going to start updating the Portal:Wine but wanted to see if you are anyone else on the WikiProject Wine had plans.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 22:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That was Charleen & Schark's baby. I really didn't have much to do with it. If you want to work with it, feel free. AgneCheese/Wine 22:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Wine/Template wine region article
Hi, started this. Georgeg 19:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. If you haven't already, drop a note on the Wine Project to hopefully solicit more input. Admittedly I won't be too active with this template in the early going since I have a couple articles like Piemonte (wine) that I'm still working heavily on. AgneCheese/Wine 20:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" style="text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;" ! style="background-color: #CC9966; text-align: center;" |The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter  {| The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XI - November 1, 2007 Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!
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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know. Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).
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DYK
You should become an admin!  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment but I've got more articles to write that I would fret that adminship would distract me from. But thanks again for the thought. AgneCheese/Wine 15:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Merci!
Thanks for your comments, they were helpful.-- Char leen mer ced  Talk  21:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. It is a good article (Much like your other work on Carménère) and I thought the criticism missed the marked. It was an honest assessment of the article from an (admittedly) non-soap fan. AgneCheese/Wine 21:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Galician wine, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Spanish connections
Hi Agne, I see you're working hard on Spanish wines :) Glad to see that someone else cares!!! :) Apart from me and Mickaud no-one else seems to have contributed and we have both been kind of inactive lately. In my case, I'm really busy with Other Things at the moment (including my wine project!) so I cant do much. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 09:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks but you two really laid the ground work with the individual DO articles. I'm just doing some of the broader scale work. But thanks again for the kind words. AgneCheese/Wine 09:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

A toast
In appreciation of your patient advocacy on my behalf, even though we haven't interacted very much. I'm touched by your kindness. Best regards, Durova Charge! 17:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well thank you. I consider myself just a simple editor and I was moved to speak after seeing one of the project's best admin get railroaded for a very simple and human mistake. It is easy to see a lot more damaging admin abuses out there and it good to see that even Jimbo can recognize the silliness that has erupted. You've conducted yourself with the utmost integrity and class and I think I represent a fair share of the "average editors" out there whose only interaction with you is to see the quality work that you do. AgneCheese/Wine 21:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your great post on the Contest talk page. We would love to have you on Veropedia as well, to keep the wine articles stable and in good shape. If you are interested, please let me know. Danny (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * hmm, that might be something to consider. I've got a couple other non-wiki projects that will take up some of my time for this next week and a half but after that I would probably be interested. AgneCheese/Wine 03:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

2007 Kansas Jayhawks football team
I noticed that you made an edit to what I had posted. Kansas and Mizzou BOTH are tied in the Big 12 North at 7-1, albeit, Mizzou, wins the Tie-Breaker and will represent the Big 12 North in the title game, that also means that Kansas is the C0-Champion of the Big 12 North and will receive a flag nxet year saying as such. Just like Georgia and Tenn. both are tied at 6-2 in the SEC East and are Co-Champions of the East, but Tenn won the tie breaker. Georgia will still be labeled as the SEC East Co-Champion. Dawg1279 (talk) 06:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. According to the Big XII itself, Mizzou is the outright Big 12 north champion. Tigers Down Jayhawks 36-28 to Win Big 12 North AgneCheese/Wine 06:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is from the Kansas Football Website: No. 4 Missouri Upends No. 2 Kansas 36-28. Read the 2nd paragraph. Dawg1279 (talk) 06:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, I think the Kansas website would be a tad more bias then the official Big XII website. AgneCheese/Wine 15:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, I figured I would get belittled for that one, I thought it was funny. ;) Barnstars only suck in the sense that they are completely intangible. I give 'em out, because it's nice to know someone is thinking of or appreciates you. It's the time it takes, not the actual award itself though, which a message accomplishes the same thing, of course. :) Thanks again.IvoShandor (talk) 16:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Mosel wine
Hello Agne, nice to see that you've improved significantly on the Mosel article. I suppose it was to celebrate what I've heard is a quite good vintage, which we need after the relatively horrible 2006. I made a few minor corrections to the text, and I thought I should point out that German vineyard names are usually written unhyphenated. Brauneberger Juffer-Sonnenuhr is one of few exceptions. The article also stated that Müller-Thurgau from Mosel goes into Liebfraumlich, which can't be fullt correct since Liebfraumlich can't come from Mosel (only from Rheingau, Nahe, Rheinhessen or Pfalz). I changed that to "Liebfraumilch-style" wine as an easy workaround. To be quite honest, I don't know where M-T ends up or if the present statement is really correct. I don't think I've ever seen a real life bottle of Moseltaler (the Liebfraumilch-look-a-like from Mosel), but I have seen Rivaner (dry M-T) from Mosel, and I think cold-grown M-T works OK in Sekt, especially if blended with Elbling which has very high acidity. I suppose I have to try to check it up some time. BTW, keep up the good work! Tomas e (talk) 22:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the corrections. You are quite right, it was a Liebraumilch style wine that I was trying to refer to but obviously missed in clarifying that. I probably should drink a little less of my subject matter when working on articles. :P AgneCheese/Wine 20:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Oak (wine) pic is up
Hey Agne, I finally got round to it, or something like it, by way of another shot I was doing. They're reds of course, rather than the whites you suggested, but I guess it's all the same. I didn't notice anything directly relating to colour changes in the text, hence the long caption. If you'd rather add all that sort of thing to the text (including why the colour changes..) be my guest :) --mikaultalk 22:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mick! I'll take a look. AgneCheese/Wine 20:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thank you for nominating this article. I went out of town before I could nominate it prior to the 5 day mark. I appreciate you finding a good hook from it. AgneCheese/Wine 18:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome, Agne27. Thank you for the nice article. It very much deserves a spot on MainPage. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject newsletter
Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 20:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter for December 2007
The December 2007 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles newsletter has been published. Comments are welcome on this, as well as suggestions or offers of assistance for the January 2008 issue. Dr. Cash 00:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Maison Joseph Drouhin
I'm working on cleaning up old Oregon-related merge proposals and was wondering if there's any reason we shouldn't go ahead and merge the other two articles into this one? Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant
Oh why thank you! DYK is a fun project and thank you, as well, for your participation in it. AgneCheese/Wine 21:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wine region picture
Yes, you can use it. The permission was for use in Wikipedia, not any particular article. Just don't use it outside of Wikipedia. -- Char leen mer ced  Talk  15:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, cool! Thanks :) Almost done with the article. AgneCheese/Wine 15:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome
By the way, there are still a lot to write about various countries producing wine: Turkey, South Korea, India, etc... only if we can find reliable sources. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah! It's exciting that there is a literally a world of wine out there but daunting at the same time. I've got access to a few good sources so I'll see what I can do. I'm currently researching Algerian wine. AgneCheese/Wine 13:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Deuxième thoughts
(cont. from here)

If you haven't seen these there's some promise. A NY Times article (adorably ancient voice from 89) which gets a RS nod, and what I belive to be a transcript from a L'Express article from 2005, in French mind you, and not through L'Express' official pages. As far as the NYT article, quite a few things have changed, long before Réserve du Général became Alter Ego, but the historical snapshot is nice. The sources oddly differ as NYT mentions that Mouton-Rothschild stands out by not having a second, while L'Express credits Mouton Cadet with giving impetus to the practice. As far as the pioneer, NYT points to a Brane-Cantenac deuxième some time in the 19th century "according to Decanter", while L'express claims there are records of Pichon-Lalande sending a second to the world's fair in Moscow 1874. Léoville Las-Cazes producing Clos du Marquis in 1904 they agree on.. M URGH  disc.  00:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that is interesting. Good find! If I get a chance tonight I'll try to start the article but you are always welcome to take the lead if you like. AgneCheese/Wine 04:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, yes I just might do that once I'm done with this bout of Graves wineries. M URGH   disc.  15:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Started! Second wine AgneCheese/Wine 01:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A good, thorough start. I found a nice official pdf listing all the top cru seconds, I'll start applying soon. What I'm not sure where to insert, what I feel is initially missing, that many chateaux will make its second exclusively from its youngest wines, producing sort of a juvenile sampler. Where do you think that best fits? M URGH   disc.  02:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It probably would go best in the "Production" section. AgneCheese/Wine 02:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)