User talk:Ajisekanla

Advance Fee Fraud (419) References
Listen, do NOT remove any sections regarding 419 advance fee fraud. I patrol that article, so I know who removes what.

It is a truth that 419 happens in Lagos. It does NOT need to be described in detail; but a small subsection is enough! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

"Placing it under "Economy" implies that this is a significant part of economic activity, which it is not." Aji, that is an incredibly untrue statement. I have read many, many, MANY articles which state that 419 is a huge part of the Nigerian economy. I found the Slate article, and I am sure I can find more articles.
 * http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2006/08/71387

"Advance-fee fraud boomed in Nigeria as government corruption and an economic downturn during the 1990s fueled poverty and disillusionment in the country, said Insa Nolte of the University of Birmingham's Centre of West African Studies.

To some, internet scams looked like an easy way to bag some quick cash.

"The availability of e-mail helped to transform a local form of fraud into one of Nigeria's most important export industries," Nolte said."

In fact, I'll add this. 419 belongs in the economy AND crime sections, and it also should be mentioned in Lagos and Amsterdam.

I'll look at more of your reply later, but I think the University of Birmingham statement invalidated the rationale in your post.

WhisperToMe (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Nolte, you said: "Insa Nolte is not an economist nor has she published research on this subject (Advance fee fraud) or on the economy of Nigeria –http://www.cwas.bham.ac.uk/staff/nolte.htm"

The economy of Nigeria... could be in any one of these: "2002, "Chieftaincy and the State in Abacha's Nigeria: Kingship, Political Rivalry and Competing Histories in Abeokuta during the 1990s", in Africa 72 (3), 46-89.

2002, "Federalism and Communal Conflict in Nigeria", in Journal of Regional and Federal Studies 12 (1), 171-192. 2001, "Traditionelle Herrscher im modernen afrikanischen Staat: Das Beispiel Ijebu Remo in Nigerien" ("Traditional Rulers in the Modern African State: A Case Study of Ijebu Remo, Nigeria") in Zeitschrift für Weltgeschichte (Germany) 2 (2), 109-133."

In order to say she has not published research on the topic, you would have to read all of these books and find nothing on the Nigerian economy. Anyway, while for now I will use the Wired magazine as the source, I will e-mail her and ask her which book the statement from the Wired magazine article originated from. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, per WP:RS, it is okay to cite the view of a person IF he or she has credentials - As the head of a history department at  a British university, she seems like a good enough source for insight; all I have to do is show that she made the statements (i.e. attribute statements to her). WhisperToMe (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

''Kindly do not revert agreed upon edits without extensive discussion and consensus. Because the mentioning of 419 is the status quo, the status quo WILL stay in the Nigeria article unless there is a consensus to revert'' WhisperToMe (talk) 04:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way, this shall continue in the Nigeria talk page. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed that you were shocked by the allegations of the Nigerian government being corrupt. Many people believe that the Nigerian government(s) is/are corrupt to some degree. The BBC article "Nigeria - where the truth is hard to find" (about the crash of Bellview Airlines Flight 210) explains how and why information in Nigeria is difficult to verify because of complexities in politics and money: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4372458.stm WhisperToMe (talk) 04:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's look over this. could not operate without political connections." - www.haverford.edu/pols/faculty/glickman/Articles/CJAS_Text_final_1-35.pdf
 * First, there is a consensus that "corruption" is an issue in Nigeria: Take a look at this Google search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Nigeria+corrupt&btnG=Google+Search
 * As for corruption and 419: I found a source from Haverford College written by Harvey Glickman - "dvance fee fraud scams

That wasn't so hard.

Also, Aji, your arguments about knowing what an economy is, ETC. do not convince me. You think that 419 is not notable enough to mention in the Nigeria page while I think the opposite. IMO Wikipedia sees 419 as notable and significant. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Aji, have you read Wizzy's remarks? As he said, 419 should be mentioned on the Nigeria page, but it should not be a large mention - it only needs to be brief. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

First, we do things by consensus. There is no policy stating that crime cannot be mentioned on city pages, so we decide by arguments. Of course Wikipedia is subjective and selective in terms of deciding which content to include; we have to select content to keep. use the words "Content dispute" - Do not use "opinion" because you are confusing this dispute with a NPOV. You are in a content dispute - Call it a content dispute.

Number two, please try to format your comments so they are precise and readable. For some reason I hate having to read through long blocks of text. Try to say more in less text, if you know what I mean. Also, if you need a large amount of text, try to format it so it is more readable. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Where did I say you were the anon? Albeit us Wikipedians are suspicious of anonymous accounts and newly-registered accounts in terms of Wikipedia debates... WhisperToMe (talk) 21:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: I found the place. I stand by what I said - I doubt the identity of the other people - Also we do not appreciate Meatpuppets (To find out what that is, look at it) - We want people who are "trusted" editors.

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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I added mentions of 419 in Ghana, Benin, and the Ivory Coast articles
Aji, I took the 419 mention from Nigeria and modified it to place in the articles for Ghana, Benin, and the Ivory Coast. I used anti-fraud statements from United States embassies as sources. I plan to add South Africa, Spain, Burkina Faso, Togo, and the Netherlands once I get enough sources. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC) EDIT: I have all of them except Spain and South Africa. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

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When you come back, see if you can look at Festac Town.. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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