User talk:Alanfromwakefield

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The History of Rugby League
Hi Alanfromwakefield, I'm DynamoDegsy from Wakefield, I see that your article edits are in the same topic area as mine, i.e. the history of rugby league. If you fancy collaborating on any articles, then just let me know. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for not replying sooner – but I’m a bit new at the Wiki write/edit and didn’t realise the “talk” tab was live. Looking at your output, you look as though you’ve been a bit busy.

Anyway, yes, I’m interested in R L history Have been interested in the game since I saw Billy Stott, on the Beverley Beers lorry, in Wood St (or could it have been the Bull Ring) lift the challenge cup trophy Unfortunately shortly after that my father, who worked for P&B was transferred ‘up North’ to Darlington, where RL is an “unknown word”. Consequently, for the rest of my life, it’s been a bit difficult getting hold of any info on the game. Even our newspapers have different sports Pages from yours. So the “from Wakefield” bit meant born there. Once I’d finished adding pages for the “missing” defunct clubs, I had thought of :- It may be a bit difficult working together but I’d certainly be willing to assist and/or listed Alan Mountain “from Wakefield” Alanfromwakefield (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * a)	Adding the wartime seasons/leagues – but I can’t find many details on the September 1918 to Jan/Feb 1919 period, when a wartime league commenced but never finished and  no table was produced - when a peacetime league began and ran from Feb to summer
 * b)	Details of the challenge cup competitions, not just the final – but there’s a great scarcity of details
 * c)	Disappearing clubs and club names – like
 * i)	Salford (bankrupt and new club Salford (1914) Ltd was formed)
 * ii)	Bradford Northern (1968) Ltd who took over 6 months after Bradford dropped out of the league midway through the season
 * iii)	Huddersfield Barracudas
 * iv)	And many more
 * If you can remember Billy Stott then you must be a little older than me, were you born in the 1930s? I was named Derek back in 1964 in reference to Derek Turner, who I coincidently called 'round to see last week, to ask him, his wife and son (Darren) to check through his Wikipedia article. There's a sentence on disappearing clubs and club names in the articles Salford City Reds, Huddersfield Giants, and Bradford Bulls, but an expansion wouldn't go a miss. By the way, who are/were P&B? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 07:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And here's me thinking it was the chap with the Toothbrush moustache (not Charlie Chaplin) that was to blame, but it was you all along!!!
 * An ex-girlfirend of mine worked as a knitwear designer at Sirdar on Flanshaw Lane in Alverthorpe, she later worker for Jaeger in Darlington, I'm wondering whether Patons and Baldwins became Jaeger?
 * I'd like to do some work on Other Nationalities rugby league team but I don't have the references, and also the the county rugby league sides, not just Yorkshire and Lancashire, but also Cumberland/Cumbria, and Cheshire, and I've also seen mention of Welsh county (Glamorgan, etc.) rugby league sides, but not enough to constitute an article. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

If you could scan and send the County rugby information, that'd be great. My email address is herbert_chapmans_ghost@hotmail.com. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:13, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Cite web corrections for the Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season articles
Alanfromwakefield,

Aloha! I made some corrections to the following pages:


 * 1941-42 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season
 * 1942-43 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season
 * 1943-44 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season
 * 1944-45 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season

Specifically I added "|title=Wigan Warriors Rugby League Fan Site|accessdate=5 November 2011" to the template. It was previously throwing an error because the "title=" attribute was missing.

If you just want to put the external link (URL) in an article, then you can find guidance at External_links. However, I heartily recommend using the template, whose documentation you can find at Template:Cite_web.

I recommend using  Preview   before you   Save page   so that you can see any generated errors first.

Mahalo! Peaceray (talk) 03:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Even though I have marked up the 1939-40 season discussion, I thought you would like to know I have done the redirects in the Season template, so it goes automatically to your pages. Thanks for joining in the Rugby League project as well. We need all the help we can get. Rimmer1993 (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Runcorn (rugby)
With you having already created the Runcorn Highfield RLFC article, and the Runcorn RLC already being in existence, I wondered whether you had enough references to be tempted create an article for the Runcorn (rugby) club that was initially a rugby union club and joined the Northern Union in 1895. I previously added a paragraph at the end of the Runcorn → Sports article, but I believe the club is deserving of an article of its own. Best Regards


 * Busy tidying up the Geordie dialect article at the moment, I hadn't realised all the extra references etc required. I willl have a look soon and see what I have on Old Runcorn. Just out of curiosity, I struggled to find the (limited) amount of data on the 1897 Challenge Cup final, and felt sure someone out there would have had (at least) some of the missing data, but so far it doesn't appear so. Don't suppose you have any?. And how's the County compertition you mentioned coming along, I must remember to send you a bit more info I found. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 09:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Coincidently, I recently purchased a number of books about the Challenge Cup, so I'll check through and see what there is about the 1897 Challenge Cup. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you email me at herbert_chapmans_ghost at hotmail dot com, I'll email you scans of the pages from the books I have to augment your references. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Done (hopefully) both Runcorn RFC AND Canal Street Stadium for good measure. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

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France's Songs of the Bards of the Tyne
You added a rather lengthy table into an article here: France's_Songs_of_the_Bards_of_the_Tyne_-_1850. I've removed it because it is not encyclopedic, but you can consider moving it to wikisource, a project which would accept it. IRWolfie- (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I am sorry I forgot about the Fordyce songster when moving this. I have tried to move it again to "The Tyneside Songster (J. W. Swanston)" (only the first three words should be in italics) but it will not work. Another move will need to be done by an administrator who can deal with the problem.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Lancashire Cup articles
Alan, thanks for all the new articles on the Lancashire Cup, it was about time this trophy got the attention it deserved. I've done a bit of tidying up on the first two (chronologically) and the one thing I wanted to point out is that all the references need amending as they all point to the 1897 season. I'll carry on with the rest later but if you create any more can you update these aa you go. Nthep (talk) 11:59, 13 February 2014 (UTC) Firstly thanks for your message and also for clearing my sandbox Secondly, apologise for adding another handful of articles before I noticed your article Thanks for tidying them up, so before I add the remainder I thought I should ask you to clarify certain points (mainly on the basis of “if you don’t ask you’ll never learn”) So here goes :-

point 1	Infobox		You have added a line "no_of_teams = (and a number which varies)		curiosity	Out of curiosity, why, as it is "hidden", or have I missed something (if you don't ask, you never find out) point 2	Dates	my reason	Decimal numbers were used instead of calendar names to reduce the length of the date and to enable it to fit into the limited space without wrapping onto 2 lines		query	If the months must be named, can they be abbreviated to Jan etc. (PS I spent hours reducing the names to numbers - phew)		point 3	references point	you point out that they all refer to 1897 season	reason	my reason	intended to lead to the archives page (generally) to allow the reader to choose this particular and/or any other season		query	is this concept not valid ? point 4	venue for final	From the comments you have deleted the extra info I added		my reason	it was added on the basis that it would be of interest to others and that all information is useful query	is this concept not valid ? point 5	see also		You have deleted == See also == Rugby league county cups my reason	This list all (but only the actual) cup final results - I did intend, after all the 80 years were added, to link each year on this article to my article on the relevant year query	Is this allowable or feasible point 6	see also		You have deleted == See also == List of defunct rugby league clubs my reason	lists clubs taking part who are no longer operating query	why delete ? point 7	category		You have deleted Category:(year e.g. 1905) in English sport my reason	The Lancashire Cup fits well with the rugby league seasons already there query	why delete ? Thank Alan Forget point 1 - I've just looked at the finished article (which I should have done before) Alanfromwakefield (talk) 12:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Alan,
 * point 2. Preferred date format is full month spelt out with abbreviated form if needed for reasons of space, so they could be left at Oct, Nov etc but is was as fast using search and replace to do the full job.  I wasn't too concerned about wordwrap so I went for the full spelling.  If you want abbreviated that's fine by me.   Numbers only is not preferred due to different dating systems around the world.  Is 10-11-1921 10 November 1921, as it would be to you and me, or 11 October 1921 as it would read to our trans-Atlantic cousins?  Oh and now the competition is past the twentieth it's ok to use 21st, 22nd, 23rd, etc  rather than spell it out.
 * point 3. References should be as specific as possible and only to index pages if there is no alternative.  An example is the Saints archive where you can only get to the landing page and then have to put the search criteria in.  Chemics, Cherry and White, Wolves etc all allow specific seasons to be identfied as part of the URL (incidentally the Wolves URL is http://warringtonwolves.com/results-archive?y=)
 * points 4 and 6. Interesting information but in the wrong article.  So if someone wants to know when The Willows was in use, it's capacity and biggest crowd they can go to the article about it - that's why we have links in the aticles.  Same with the list of defunct clubs, want to know about history of Coventry RLFC? Click on the article about the club.  I don't think there are any of the pro or semi-pro clubs that don't have an article about them, so the link to the list of defunct clubs is superfluous.  It's the same with other information like Barrow's ground being requisitioned so they had  to move - that's relevant to the article about the club, but not the article on a specific year and specific competition unless it was relevant to that year and that competition
 * point 5. Better ways of doing the same thing. I'm working on a navigational template to add to all the articles which allows instant navigation to any year as well as to the master topics e.g. RL county cups.  It's a pity the origins of the cup are so obscure, a referenced article about the competition in general would be useful
 * point 7. I meant, but forgot, to add the pages into the category 19XX-YY Northern Rugby Football League season which is a sub-catgory of 19XX in English sport (I'll recify this later). If a topic fits into a low level category, it shouldn't then be added to another further up the tree.
 * I've replaced all the links for 1905 to 1929 in the relevant season articles and Rugby league county cups to point to these pages you've created. Anyway please keep up the good work. Are you going to do the Yorkshire Cup next? And if you've got any other questions just leave a note on here and I'll see it Nthep (talk) 14:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the info - I have completed most of the research on the Yorkshire Cup, just missing a couple of fixtures (but lots od team members - which I hope degsy will be able to add to/complete) - but then is the long job of knocking it into shape, so it could be a while before it sees the light of (wiki) day - thank goodness for retirement Alanfromwakefield (talk) 14:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I look forward to the day I can read about Keighley's (almost) glory days in the Yorkshire Cup :-) Nthep (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Well I’m old, but you must be decrepit if you’re going to tell me you saw them lose to my team at Fartown in ’51. But more seriously we enjoyed many happy weekends watching Brian Jefferson and company at Cougar Park (or Lawkholme Lane to give it it’s proper name) in the 70’s and 80’s If you know a lot about Keighley can you tell me why they played in the 1939–40 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season albeit finishing second bottom - and took part in the 1940–41 Northern Rugby Football League Wartime Emergency League season but failed (according to the information I have gathered) to take part in the intervening 1939-40 Yorkshire Cup which was played in June 1940 ? Alanfromwakefield (talk) 16:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not old enough to be drawing my pension so Fartown in 51 is beyond me. I'm glad to see you call Lawkholme Lane by it's proper name, almost as barren as I remember Fartown being in the 80s when I used to go there quite a lot.  Coming from the Midlands I was a late (ok teenage) convert to League and despite living across the road from Headingley I preferred places like Keighley, Bramley and Huddersfield to watch games.  Became a Keighley fan because my then girlfriend was from Keighley, so I don't know enough of their history to be able to answer but I'll ask around. Nthep (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

help, please can you clear my sandbox again. It opens as 1930 Lancashire Cup, so there is obviously some sort of link there. Alanfromwakefield (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC) Thank you again Alanfromwakefield (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

1949 Lancashire Cup
I made some changes to the article that the other articles should also have done.

You did alot of articles. That is alot of work. Thank you for doing all of these. I hope you continue doing more articles. If you ever have question, you are always welcome to leave a message at my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 08:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) My bot changed this for all articles.  The ===Background=== should be ==Background== .  All headers start out at "level 2".
 * 2) At the end, I changed  to  .  This will sort the article in the category by "Lancashire Cup".  "1949" is not needed as all articles in that category are 1949.
 * 3) There are alot of  tags but no  tags.  They should be removed. (minor)
 * 4) There are  tags all alone in the tables.  These should be removed.
 * 5) I removed alot of  tags in text.  Generally, things should be in paragraphs and not single lines.

Alan Lowndes
Well spotted, I've updated the infobox in the Alan Lowndes article. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Welsh Rugby League games
Hi AfW, I think I'm going to disappoint you here. The majority of information I managed to find on Welsh rugby league (and there really isn't much out there on the subject as you may guess), came from the Lush book referenced in each of the articles 'Tries in the Valley: A History of Rugby League in Wales'. Unfortunately I don't own the book, it was a library borrow. I'm pretty sure that the book listed every game for every season of the Welsh teams from the early 20th century. I see you are already in contact with Degsy, who I would have pointed you to next. I have little info at my fingertips at present. Sorry, FruitMonkey (talk) 19:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Alanfromwakefield, if you email me your postal address to herbert_chapmans_ghost at hotmail dot com, I'll send a spare copy of "Tries in the Valleys: A History of Rugby League in Wales" to you, gratis. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Rugby league county cups
Unfortunately, I have very little information about players in the Rugby league county cups, and the little information I do have is likely to be about Wakefield Trinity, and hence it's about the Yorkshire Cup rather than the Lancashire Cup. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:36, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The Yorkshire Cup is on it's way, (just a bit of last minute and "fringe" searching being completed) and there are a few blanks on the Wakefield (and lots of other) team sheets, so you'll have no excuses then. Was Ian Slater one of your entries, and did you manage to correct it ? Alanfromwakefield (talk) 11:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

the first dozen from 1905 Yorkshire Cup onwards are now entered. I notice that I have several players in the final teams that are also subject to a Wikipedia entry, but which doesn't mention them as playing in the finals. There are also lots of players names (and/or details) missing. I'm sure you will be able to fill a lot of the gaps. Alan Alanfromwakefield (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Could you please check the Wakefield Trinity fullbacks for the 1960 Yorkshire Cup, and 1961 Yorkshire Cup, as I believe Frank Mortimer left Wakefield Trinity in 1959, so it's more likely that Donald Metcalfe, or Gerry Round would have played at fullback. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Yorkshire cup 1945
Alan I've added the Bradford Northern scorers but they have come out on the Wakefield Trinity side, I don't know how tom correct this? thanks Baldymart
 * Alan would you like the northern team from that day? I don't know how to do the up date my self I'm afraid. Baldymart

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