User talk:Alikaalex

Wording choice in Orange Line article
Hi AlikaAlex. I see you prefer the shorter wording of the cost of the BRT system. I wanted to discuss this. I guess you think the Orange Line isn't a substitute for rail and the line's length doesn't need to be repeated.

Transit planners originally wanted light rail along the right-of-way, an extention of the Red Line, but local objected, as the article discusses. So it was a substitute.


 * I think the original intent was to extend the Red Line, which is heavy rail. Light rail was considered after heavy rail ceased to be an option, so I would argue that the Orange Line is no more a substitute for light rail than it is for heavy rail. Since the article goes into depth about the other transit modes considered prior to BRT, I would argue the point has been more than adequately discussed and needs not be restated. --Alika 08:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The length of the line was only in the infobox, and important information on a topic belongs in the article body, not just in an infobox.


 * Actually, I believe you're mistaken. The third sentence of the article states the length of the line. I agree that it doesn't hurt to mention it in the infobox as well, but one mention in the first paragraph of the article (a position of great importance) along with the infobox mention is sufficient to remind readers of the length of the line. --Alika 08:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Why in that place in the article? Because the cost of the system (especially cost vs. light rail) is a significant topic of the article, and it makes sense to put the length of the line next to its cost so readers can see how much it costs for how much transit they got.


 * I would support a more complete analysis of the costs per mile of heavy rail vs. light rail vs. busway, but I don't think a single sentence can do that argument justice. That's why I think the sentence should be pared down into a simple statement of cost. If you want to insert a complete analysis, I'd suggest adding a dedicated section of the article. –-Alika 08:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Lastly, I just think it the text reads better, if I might complement my own writing, which is usually at Wikipedia's boring standard :-).


 * I just feel your word choice reads more as commentary than statement of fact. The "substitute" wording really seems to convey the idea that BRT is inferior to light rail (which, again, was not the only rail option considered for this route). As a rail supporter, I happen to agree that rail transit is superior to bus transit, but implying that in the article strays from Wikipedia's goal of being neutral and unbiased. --Alika 08:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, what are your thoughts? Thanks! Diderot's  dreams  (talk) 20:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hope the above more completely states my wording concerns. Thanks for the interesting discussion! :-) --Alika 08:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. The Orange Line was a substitute, not just light rail, technically, as you point out, as a subway is usually heavy rail, but for more expensive rail alternatives.  Now it is very clear from the preceeding paragraphs in the article that's  what it is, and so it isn't neccessary to repeat it.  My purpose was stylistic, to have a different noun for the Orange Line.  I see how you might see it as an attempt at POV.  And you are right about the length of the line in being in the lead.  It isn't really the length of line that is the relevant information anyway, but the cost per mile.  This is a straight forward fact, and if more  information is warranted, then it can be added, but factually accurate information shouldn't be removed because it is incomplete.


 * So I suggest changing the text from this:


 * Construction began in September 2002 and the line opened three years later, on October 29, 2005, and cost $324 million.


 * to this:


 * Construction began in September 2002 and the line opened three years later, on October 29, 2005. The bus rapid transit line cost $324 million ($23 million per mile).


 * Would that work for you?  Diderot's   dreams  (talk) 03:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the lengthy delay in this reply. The holidays and several nasty back-to-back colds have basically sidelined me for the past month or so. :-( Anyway, I like your revised text! I think it works well in the article. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion. --Alika 02:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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