User talk:Althepal/Archive 2

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POTD notification
Hi Ariel,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:BirdBeaksA.svg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-11-03.  howcheng  {chat} 19:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's neat, Howcheng! :) Althepal 03:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Pricing comment
I get what you're saying and I agree that there were too many currencies and conversions happening. I simply didn't understand why there were random currencies listed but not the Euro, which is one of the four major currencies (USD, Euro, pound, yen). I must point out the prices in Euros and Dollars I had in there were 100% correct and I was not implying that they're the same in value. But Leopard does in fact sell for $129 and €129 (rip off for Europe I know).

Anyhow an updated table of all the different prices for Leopard and the currency it sells in is provided for in the main Mac OS X article. I linked to that table in the intro of the Leopard article. This way the intro is not cluttered with the many different prices and versions of Leopard (retail, family pack, server, academic, etc.) and its random currencies. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nja247 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I'd still like to see a source for the euro thing. Althepal 04:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

- click on any store where the country uses the Euro and you'll see the pricing. Cheers. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. So I guess people in Europe will buy it from Amazon.com in dollars, huh? ;) -Althepal 17:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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PhotoLine 32
Hi! It seems like you created PhotoLine 32, so you might like to know that I'm proposing it for deletion because it seems to be a non-notable definition only linked from a couple lists. It'd be great if you could improve it a bit more, but I'm not sure it has much potential... Dreamyshade (talk) 00:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I think it is a fairly well-known program. I don't use it, but it was listed so I wanted it to have an article that someone else could expand. Sorry but I can't do that myself. Althepal (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Featured article candidates/Windows Vista
I noticed your comment on the Vista FAC page and that info is included in the Criticism Section  Alex ' fus ' co5  02:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I specifically meant about mentioning that high numbers of businesses and people say they don't want to upgrade; that is an interesting point. I didn't see it in the criticism section, but I didn't carefully read the article either. Althepal 04:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi it was a good piece of info.. I did a copyedit though... :) Mugunth ( ping me!!!, contribs ) 16:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC) I also feel that second and third sections, specially the list of new features section does not seem to be a "Featured Article" stuff.. how do u feel? Mugunth ( ping me!!!, contribs ) 16:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry. The Firefox spellchecker doesn't seem to be working 100% properly lately. I think those sections are pretty good, they have lots of interesting information. Of course they could be made better, but I think it is good enough to be featured. Anyway, that's what the vote is for. ;) Althepal 19:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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Windows Vista Orb
Hi I was wondering if there's a place where I could find the svg image of the Vista Orb you made...I could really use it...Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max611987 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't think I still have it, and it's not online anymore. Maybe this will help: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsvista/images/WinVista-Button_rgb.jpg Althepal (talk) 04:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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 * Fine. I've never seen so much care about what OS is being used before... Whatever. Windows and OS X are used all over Wikipedia for programs which are Linux-compatible and their rationals are not contested. (Even the beta image I replaced with my Thunderbird screenshot was originally on Windows (with no rational form at all) and it wasn't contested.) If you want programs to look like they are from the '90s, fine, but I highly doubt this is needed and still haven't seen anything saying that Linux must be used for screenshots. But could you please at least use Kubuntu or a nice theme so it doesn't make the program's appear outdated? Althepal (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

budgerigar photo
I noticed a budgerigar photo in use on wikipedia section on budgerigars. The budgerigar has a description of an OPalINE BUDGERIGAR. This title to the picture

is in fact incorrect as this budgerigar is NOT an opaline budgerigar but what is called a "normal" budgerigar. Any chance this can be edited so the article is correct ?

Cheers karen
 * It looks like you took care of that. I did not write "opaline" anyway. Althepal (talk) 07:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * Its not used on Wikipedia pages, so no point anyway. I just took the two screenshots for the two programs already found on Wikipedia and put them together... no website. Can that make it a free copyright? I doubt it. Althepal (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Signature question
Hey, in my preferences I typed in a signature but it still shows up unsigned when I post. Can you tell me what I am doing wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WinCEB (talk • contribs) 01:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to type ~ at the end of your comments every time. It's not automatic. Althepal (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Althepal, I guess I'm a true Wikipedian now!
 * If you ever get tired of chatting with me, let me know and I'll stop filling up your page. I will respect your wishes. I can talk technology all the time so I enjoy this. Talk later... -Chad WinCEB (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I like technology too. :) When I get tired I'll tell you. You know there is a irc at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-social next time I see you respond maybe I'll check if you're online there. Althepal (talk) 03:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Althepal, I'll try to look at that site tomorrow. I like the new section, I'll try to respond to that too.  -Chad  —Preceding unsigned comment added by WinCEB (talk • contribs) 02:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, forget about the irc. I'm not gonna use it. Althepal (talk) 18:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Xpvistaleopardchangewave.png
Can you do an SVG version? --soum talk 19:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can, but it won't look as nice and it would take some time to draw... is there anything wrong with the PNG? I can do it in a different res if you want, but I don't know if it's worth the time to draw the SVG unless there is some reason. You see, I did it in Numbers so it was pretty much typing in the different numbers and boom I got a nice chart, but if I make an SVG in Inkscape, I would have to measure the different values, plus it wouldn't look as nice with the 3D and all. Althepal (talk) 20:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you export the spreadsheet to Microsoft Excel format? If you you can copy the graph to Microsoft Visio and save it in SVG format. If you don't have Visio, you can send it to me. --soum talk 05:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have Visio. I have Excel, and I could export and then upload an Excel file somewhere online, but it would be easier if you just make the chart in Excel yourself. Purchase rate, Q2 08 is 20% vista, 53% xp, 8% leopard. "Highly satisfied" corporate user rate is 8% vista, 40% xp, 53% leopard. Althepal (talk) 05:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The textures are not vectors. :-( --soum talk 05:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well how important is it that we have SVG? Althepal (talk) 06:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not very. Thats why I have given up! Its just that if it ain't photographic, vector images scale much better. Thats why I prefer SVGs if it is possible. --soum talk 06:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer SVGs too, but that chart already looks soooo nice. :-) Like I said, I could make it a different size if it's needed. (I don't know how the graphics in Numbers works, but I can stretch or squeeze them. Maybe it's vector with texture. You can do those, you know.) Althepal (talk) 16:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I recreated the graph with Excel, but since Excel does not come with these textures, I had to get it from your graph. When thats exported to SVG, the textures are embedded as bitmaps within the SVG file, and MediaWiki worse-than-chokes on them. So, unless the textures can be exported as vectors, we are stuck with PNG.
 * Yeah the chart looks nice, but I tend to prefer ones with solid colors and gradients, not textures. Like this. Anyway, that is not something to edit war over. :-P --soum talk 17:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if you want to change it, it's okay with me. You can use solid colors in excel, with or without 3D, and make it SVG. I don't mind that much anyhow. Althepal (talk) 17:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Reception Section Unbalanced Again
Hello Althepal, been a lull in our conversations so I thought I would spark it up again. In your reception section it is unbalanced again now that you added a twist to the end about the benefits of gaming to make it a question whether it is better. The whole section now seems to be a vista crusher rather than sticking to the facts. The amount of debate over Directx 10 is so small, it doesn't warrant adding that sentence in to throw it off. Developers switched to DirectX 10 as soon as hardware was for sale. All the information I have found show HUGE benefits over DirectX 10 in performance and visuals. If you refuse to remove it, I will add a sentence after that to a notable source showing the huge benefits in performance over DirectX 9. On my PC dual booting XP and Vista, all my games, including DirectX 9 games runing 33% to 50% faster under Vista which contridicts the sentence you added about gaming performance being debated. I haven't looked at that other site in a few days because the comments are too slow so if you been writing me there, I may not see it. Take care  WinCEB (talk) 15:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Chad. I didn't add that, and it looks like soum already removed the questionable text, so that settles that. :-) I don't think I'm gonna be on Wikipedia much for a while, so don't expect immediate responses to talk pages, and don't be surprised if I don't change the Vista article or go to talk pages at all. Cya, Althepal (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Althepal, hope I haven't made you mad or anything. Nothing has been at you other than just debating.  You are a very smart person and your POV is certainly just as good as mine or anybody else.  You have become quite a friend to me.  Hope you stick around!!!  By the way, I got me a new camera, the Canon S5 IS.  Have you ever seen it in stores?  WinCEB (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm not mad. Just kind of busy. The S5 is a really terrific camera... if I didn't already have my Fujifilm, I might buy it. Or the new Fuji, or the new Sony. They're all really good. Have fun. :-) Althepal (talk) 23:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I guess I'm not as busy as I thought. But still, I'm kind of done with Vista's article. I put in a lot of work to make sure it had all the important reception information while still being NPOV, so it's pretty good, and I'll let the article take its course now. If you bring up something on my talk page, I'll probably respond, and you know it's fine by me to discuss cameras and nature photography, not just computers. Althepal (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

English Budgie
Okay, I like all your pics but there is something about English Budgie that I like. This guy just looks like he enjoys the picture moments! Good job on your pics. WinCEB (talk) 23:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he's quite a character! Always getting into stuff... :) *sigh* Thanks for the compliments. Althepal (talk) 00:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

New icon
Hey Althepal, that new icon for the Windows wikiproject is great... I like it better than what's there now, and I'll certainly support its use. -/- Warren 00:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you like it. I'm hoping it replaces the current bland or off-colored icons. I suggested it on Warren's talk page so maybe he could do something about it. I'm not sure where to nominate a change or if I should just change it, so I just told Warren about it. If you support that icon, that's great! :) Thank you. But now I'm really not going to be on Wikipedia for a few days, so I'll check back then and see if there has been any progress. TTYL, Althepal (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Err, I -am- Warren? :-) -/- Warren 04:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! Oops, sorry. I thought you were WinCEB (didn't check, expected him on my talk, started with "W"). Well, then. So should I just change the templates? Althepal (talk) 04:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I changed the templates. Hope it makes Wikipedia a nicer place! :) Althepal (talk) 04:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

OS-specific userbox
Warren, what about OS-specific userboxes (eg "this user uses Windows XP")? You think I should put my icon in there too, leave those icons alone, or make different versions of this icon for XP, Vista, etc.? Althepal (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Copy and paste edits
If you are going to copy and paste content from one article to another, please respect other editors contributions and make it clear where you are sourcing the content from by mentioning the article title in your edit summaries. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Thanks. Althepal (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Althepal, looks like you made some guy mad. It happens every time you turn.  Have a nice day.  WinCEB (talk) 01:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah.... Thanks. Althepal (talk) 04:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)