User talk:Amandajm/archive2

Please stop
I understand you have an interest in architecture, but please stop shitting up other peoples' contributions because you think they're inappropriate. Do not take a generic term like "stained glass" and confine it to mean a narrow area such as church/historical flat stained glass panels when this is a tiny subset of the craft. You do a tremendous disservice to Wikipedia by appropriating a generic term and trying to associate it with a narrow subset of craft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabu2 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This comment was responded to by


 * an explanation on the talk page of the article.
 * some changes to the intro to make it clear that the term had been confined to the "narrow subset of craft" for 1000 years and has only recently been extended to include copperfoil lamps and the like. Amandajm 01:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Gothic Architecture
That's perfect, thank you. Matthieu 10:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Architecture
The only question I really have regarding the article above is in regards to exactly what qualifies as uncontroversial knowledge. If the majority of the article contains such information, then the comparatively light referencing as indicated there should be sufficient. I've never myself dealt with an main article of this type and the matter of what does and does not qualify as uncontroversial knowledge, so I'm really out of my depths in this regard. I certainly can see no objections to proposing it as a formal GA candidate, possibly indicating on the page that the above reason is the cause for the light referencing. Certainly, in all other ways, it looks to me like a more than reasonable candidate for GA status, but I'm not sure exactly what the "rules" are for u.k. in GAs. I think the best option might be to post your comments regarding this article on the Wikipedia talk:Good articles page and await a response from one of the more experienced GA judges there regarding the subject. John Carter 14:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm new at this, but here is my "award" to you for the great work you did on the article. The essence of what you did is, I believe, still there (in spite of some minor edits?). Nonetheless, it was not an easy task to rework and make sense out of the mess that was there prior. What we have now is a cohesive, fluid and well-written article with some very appropriate images. Regarding the candidacy referred to in the post above, if there is anything I can do for support, let me know (as I said, I am new at this!). Mariokempes 23:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your approval. This was the only part of the entire article that I felt needed some improvement... although, I'm not completely satisfied with "humanist". At least the intent is there- perhaps you can improve on it? Mariokempes 18:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the history article is in dire need of an overhaul. Unfortunately, I don't have the time and it is well beyond a "quick fix". Nonetheless, I'd be glad to offer some input should, one day, you find yourself up to the challenge. Mariokempes 20:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

2 quick points: 1- saying that architects "decorate" (at any scale) is a biased statement most architects would disagree with. 2- Only speaking about the "monuments" (the eiffel tower, etc...) of a society is a mistatement. Architecture is much more than signature buildings.

--User:quilian 05:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

(posted on previous conversation) Hi Amandajm

The article on Architecture has acceptable writing at best, has many errors of fact, and in general only half-represents the reality of architectural history, theory, and professional practice. What we are doing is not piecemeal editing, we are a group of architectural professionals, writers, and professors that are methodically going through the article using the archinect forum. We are also planning to expand the entry to include the theoretical and global perspective you are suggesting.

We would love your comments and edits but you cannot just dismiss us. We both care deeply about this entry so let us work together.

Best, Quilian

--User:quilian 05:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Amandajm,

I already apologized for the earlier misuses, but they were not done by a student but rather a concerned professional who is respected in the field of Landscape Architecture. I do not want to put words in his mouth, but I think he just got overtaken with the excitement of the idea of wiki.

I hope that as you put the article "off your watch list" you will be around to discuss the changes with us, discussion is healthy and is what is at the heart of a project like wiki and archinect. Using my schedule it will take us about a month to finish the entire overhaul, but we would only change a section once it is completely ready. Please refer to this thread to see the NEW proposed outline and schedule: http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads.php?id=60226_0_42_0_C

I seem to be in charge of the project. I am a STUDENT at Harvard University's Graduate School of Design. But if you are bias against my student status I can tell you I have been in the field for 10 years writing, editing, and designing in academia, the architectural press, and with some of the non-profits and design firms on the cutting edge of the field. But I am sure you have already seen the small bio I put under my username.

Monuments, although the most visible forms of architecture to the general public, are not the most important concerns of architectural discourse. If the idea of a wiki is to expand and educate people beyond what they already know, the description of architecture needs to go beyond the pyramids, the Colosseum, and the Eiffel tower. Not expanding that definition of Architecture for the general public (meaning those outside the design fields) may lead to a further dilapidation of the built environment with one or two monuments (that pass for Architecture) for an entire nation. Decoration can be a larger discussion than we may not need to get into in this section of the article. I propose that we do not include anything about decoration in the definition of Architecture, but rather in its historical context. Furthermore, Most architects today would not take it kindly if you told them that they "decorate." We are not writing an obituary to an art long dead, but rather a recap of a vibrant tradition of design that is strong today and has changed through the ages.

Let's keep talking, I am looking forward to a productive relationship.

best,

Quilian

--User:quilian 11:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Our proposed outline for the Architecture section:

Introduction

1 The Architect 1.1 Education 1.2 Profession

2 History 2.1 Origins and the Ancient World 2.1.1 Origins 2.1.2 Mesopotamia and Egypt 2.2. Europe 2.2.1 Classical European Period: Greece and Rome 2.2.2 Medieval Europe 2.2.3 Renaissance and the Enlightenment 2.3 The Islamic World 2.4 India 2.5 East Asia 2.6 Pre-colombian Civilizations 2.7 Africa 2.8 Modernism (1920-1960) 2.8.1 Global Modernist discourses 2.9 Architecture since the 1960's 2.10 Architecture Today

3 Theory of Architecture 3.1 Historical Treatises and Manifestos 3.2 Contemporary Theoretical Discourse 3.3 Sustainability

--User:quilian 12:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Annunciation (van Eyck)
There's an edit war ongoing with a frantic, Wiki-illiterate editor who doesn't accept my Wikifying of his (her?) article. Help is needed to reach a consensus about a decent version will kept here. Can you help? Thank you. --Attilios 11:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciao Amanda. Well, that person is a bit out of her mind. If you read the discussion at Annunciation's page, you'll see she's totally out of any Wikipedia rule. As for those images, I deleted simply 'cause they appeared exactly as the main image. Instead, she thought them as exapndable, and I agreed: in fact, now they appears in an apposite gallery at the bottom's page. What are you working on of nice lately? See you soon! --Attilios 13:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Need help
The problem-

There is a series of articles on the subject of History of art. There has been a box created to go in all the articles. The title of the box is "Art history".

However, art historians make a distinction between Art history and History of Art. "History of Art" is the progression of art through cultures and periods. "Art History" is the discipline practised by art historians.

The box needs to be relabelled "History of art".

Some of the specific articles also need moving so that they say "Western art", not "Western art history", for example, because "Western art history" is the study of art as it is practised by (specifically) "Western" art historians. It is not the History of Western art. In this particlar instance, three differnet titles all link to the page, so moving it should not be problematic.

But, how does one change the title of the box, and how does one change the list of subtitles in the box so that they read "Western art, Eastern art, Islamic art" etc instead of "Western art history, Eastern art history, Islamic art history"?

I'm myself an art historian. see Leonardo, Sistine Chapel ceiling, Renaissance architecture, Cathedral architecture of Western Europe, Giotto etc. I'm currently writing Italian Renaissance painting.

--Amandajm 06:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Hopefully I can provide some advice on how to resolve the issues you've presented. Firstly, the box that needs to be renamed is most likely a template. If you view the source of a page the box is on, you should see where the box is located on the article. You can edit the template by visiting it's template page, which for my example above would be Template:Something; the word Something should be replaced with whatever is located inside the  marks on the articles containing the box. Before making the change, you may want to discuss the change on the talk page.
 * Secondly, articles can be moved by using the "move" tab located near the top of the article. The new title you enter will be the new location for the article with a redirect left behind where the article used to be. Discussing such a move first on the article's talk page is a must, to ensure that there is consensus for such a move.
 * I hope I have been able to assist you. If you cannot find the template page for the "box" based on my directions above, I will be able to provide you with a direct link to the template page if you can link me to a page that contains the box. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 07:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

re: re Templates
Thank you for your message. Just something I'd like to point out: most Wikiproject tags have two different ways of rating the article: on class and on importance. "Class" are the ratings you referred to ("stub", "start", "b", "GA", "A", "Featured") while "importance" is "low", "mid", and "high". Please note that there is a difference between Class and Importance. An article's class is not determined based on the how important the subject is or how vital the information presented therein is. An article's class is a ranking of how well written the article is, among other editing issues. The article's importance, however, is where you would rank the article's importance in the scope of the Wikiproject. If you have any questions further, I suggest asking questions on the Wikiproject's talk page. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 19:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ciao!
Ciao Amanda. I didn't understand what you needed with Cremona, sorry, maybe I was a bit absent. What I can say is that you're making a fantastic job with Italian Renaissance painting. Hugs from --Attilios 09:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

True Cross
Hi Amandajm. I'm not sure I entirely understand your point. I take neither a pro-Christian nor an anti-Christian position. I'm merely a dispassionate observer of history with an interest in expressing things as simply as possible in a neutral point of view, which is what Wikipedia is all about. Is it possible that your pro-Christian stance (" ... What one wants (as a Christian) is to get them to follow a link to something more powerful.") is getting in the way of adopting a similar approach? This isn't the place for Christians and anti-Christians to be fighting their battles; the rest of the world is available for that. In any case, it seems now that at least 2 other editors have made changes along the lines I did, so others also seem to be of the view that a simpler description of the True Cross is warranted. "The subject of certain records" can apply to anything - the White House or the Taj Mahal or Beethoven's 9th Symphony are all the subjects of certain written records, but we don't use such language when describing them, so why do it for the True Cross? That there are certain written records is a fact, and they can be fully discussed in the text of the article. Cheers. -- JackofOz 09:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ren. painting

 * Of course that was the meaning. Just a note: "Messina" sounds horrendous, it is not his surname!!! "da Messina" is meant just as to specify which "Antonello" is him. Please write always Antonello da Messina. Hugs from Attilio. --Attilios 11:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

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MacAskill
The North Sydney referred too in the article is in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia. It too is a suburb of a larger town known as Sydney. Part of the greater Sydney-Dominion-Glace Bay metropolitan area. I removed the link to the antipodian Sydney found in the article and pointed out the correct locale. Regards, Hamster Sandwich 23:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Noah
Terrific explanation ! JNW 13:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You are, of course, right about the good efforts of first-time contributors. I too easily forget such basic wisdom when I spend more time looking for reverts (being critical tends to become a self-perpetuating, and downward, spiral) than contributing content. Speaking of which, my kudos to you for the heavyweight contributions--I'd feel like an interloper to even try to suggest a better title for your Renaissance/themes article.

Thank you for the kind words--Friends was done a few years ago, of two dear students, really brilliant artists who are still practicing. The picture was painted over a few false starts; in the event, what is now evident was painted in just three or four sittings. All my time is not spent at the keyboard: in the last few months I've completed a whole bunch of paintings (a portrait, some figures, and landscapes). Renoir once said that it would be asking too much to do what he loved and expect to receive financial compensation for it...this contributor is exceedingly fortunate.

I hope all is well with you. I am glad you are writing on Wikipedia. Keep up the great work, JNW 03:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, judgment can be spelled both ways--I changed it to be consistent with the spelling of The Last Judgment in the linked article. Although I may have changed a few alternative spellings along the way, my intent has been to honour your 'English English'. JNW 14:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * And I don't mind telling you again that your contributions are essential. JNW 14:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

FOG
Yes, the NG Titian exhibition in 2003 had those two, plus the 2 from the Prado, plus smaller panels above by Dosso Dossi (these not adding much), all in the same room, which was fabulous. The catalogue doesn't mention Giorgione at all, nor do the pretty full notes on the NGA web-site, so I dropped him. According to both, someone else, probably Dosso Dossi, had a go, but was nearly all overpainted by Titian. Vasari had mentioned Titian & recent study (after a big clean & technical exam) has confimed it.

Borgonone (or whatever) isn't the most exciting painter, but we don't want to annoy the Milanese - according to them it's Rome that's provincial!

You may not have noticed my saying so in an edit summary, so let me say again it's great work your're doing on this and the other IR article. Johnbod 13:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes - until 18 months ago I worked an 8 minute walk from the NG, which was wonderful. Their exhibitions over the last few years have been amazing - glad you caught the Caravaggio. The Raphael caused a lot of fuss, but the NG are standing firm. For a time there was a chap standing outside the NG handing out flyers claiming he had painted it. I don't know the full provenance, but it had been in the Dukes of Nothumberland collection for a long time, in recent decades as a workshop copy or similar - some critics suggested that was more accurate. They had a Raphael exhibition where they lined it up with similar small works and it seemed to hold its own. £20m seemed a lot then - at current prices it seems rather reasonable. It is very small, and they have lots of other Raphaels. Their Rubens Delilah cutting Sampson's hair has been claimed to be a forgery for a long time - there's a website on it inevitably. Johnbod 14:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

It's claimed to be a modern forgery - it appears on a wall in the background of another painting, & I think was engraved - then it disappeared. So the forger would have had the composition to follow. I don't believe it myself. Johnbod 15:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm back!!
Hey, somebody added a copyedit tag to our Cefalù Cathedral. Do you have any idea why? Good work!! --Attilios 19:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it. Thanks. Thank you for good work as usual. --Attilios 08:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That was entirely my bad. Oh the dangers of using multiple monitors. I had articles open in all three of mine yesterday and as far as I can tell I put the tag on the wrong article. I read through this one a couple times to make sure, and as far as I can tell it's perfect. Sorry about that and have a good day. Trusilver 17:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Amanda
I hope you have recovered from your holidays and getting to grips with all you wikipedia editing. Malcolmlow 20:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Request of copyedit
Maybe you can give a copyedit glance (language) to Vittore Carpaccio and the articles about paintings I've just made (you can find them in my user:Contributions of June 14). I've also made Trento Cathedral, Basilica di Santa Maria dei Servi, Palazzo della Pilotta and Fontana del Nettuno, Bologna. Ciao and thanks!!! --Attilios 09:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for good work as usual!! Good work

Problem!
I went to my user prefernce page with the aim to seeing how a different "skin" affected the appearance of articles. Having doen that, I can access the page, but cannot use some of the functions on the menu, including the "skin" which I want to set back to the default. --Amandajm 11:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC) help

Hello Amanda
It's good to hear from you again, I am pleased you had a lovely holiday, and seen you granddaughter best in the whole world, a proud Grandma!! Yes it is a shame that some churches have to lock their doors. I have written a booklet on the Funtley Iron Mill and Henry Cort only 16 pages A4 for local interest in the Library and the Museum for people to read who do not have internet, sometimes we can forget this!! I had help from another website contributor Eric Alexander who has been researching 'Henry Cort the Father of the Iron Trade' he has helped me with the correct information, he has a wonderful site http://www.henrycort.net/

I added the detail to the webpage of the iron-mongering business with all good intentions but Peter-King did not really appreciate the intrussion into his work. I do not know how to retrieve it but as you know I a willing to learn. Hope you settle in alright, Malcolmlow 16:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Amanda for your time and help I have copied the article from your message onto a Word Page for future use. I have rechecked Henry Cort site and I think I would be duplicating it there, I was hoping that the ironmongering would like to have a note of the work that Cort did. Malcolm Low 19:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Your harassing Italian friend
Sorry... but maybe you'd be interested in Basilica di San Zeno di Verona... --Attilios 21:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciao Amandissima!! (PS: "Bambino" is also quite-no Italian but it's toooo funny toooo!!!) thank very much for your copyediting of my article. As for "narthex" (Italian: nartece), it was just my approximatively translation of the Italian protiro, which I could not find on my vocabulary. Is there a direct English translation? Now I'm seeking for the other ones I put in other articles to check them. I think, the church you're meaning is Santa Prassede (can you believe, I've never been there? The Velabro one is San Giorgio al Velabro, near Santa Maria in Cosmedin, and is Byzantine). Good work and thanks again. --Attilios 10:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Theater of Pompey Help
I certainly can use your help with this article. I found it as a stub and added 90% of what is there. I am pretty obsessed with the Structure. Researching it has been a great joy. Probably my biggest surprise was seeing my words quoted during a later web search and seeing the page copied in many locations. It needs work to add mention of Proffesor Packards latest digs and the Pompey Project. --Amadscientist 02:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll be adding information from James Packer's site that goes into detail about the last big project early this decade. --Amadscientist 02:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciaon nonna! I like your funny stories about tourism in Italy... as for me, I'm still missing both S.ta Maria in Cosmedin and S. Giorgio in Velabro, for when I went there one time they were both closed. Not to speak I miss St. pudenziana and S. Prassede... Waaahhh! Can you believe I've been engaged for 9 years with a student of architecture? Well, I was instead the man of culture of the family... she never proposed me a single trip to anywhere or any place!!! SO now I'm trying to recover time slowly. Ciao and good work (In the meantime I've finished sant'Agostino di Siena, Scaliger Tombs, Palazzo del Podestà, Santa Anastasia, Verona, Santa Maria Maggiore, Gazzo and San Francesco, Bologna. Also a request: the articles on Gothic art are awful, especially about Italy. In the Italian version there are a little bit more complete articles for each main nation. Are you going to make something in the field? --Attilios 08:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh eh... you've got entangled with my Italianish English... I meant "added the bell". Ciao and thanks!!! --Attilios 11:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've finally been in Santa Prassede! the byzantine chapel was outstanding... however, a was with a female Swiss friend who the whole time complained about being hungry, thirsty, sick, sleepy, cold, hot etc... Thus we arrived late and could only rush to see the basilica. Grrrrrr! Anyway, I liked it. Ciao and good work. --Attilios 14:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Gothic architecture
Hi Amanda. The two paragraphs you're referring to don't look all that related to me. The second paragraph doesn't really mention anything about Abbot Sugar. If both paragraphs were about him, then the second paragraph should have at least mentioned him. You do have a point that it would be better for the Islamic influence to have its own paragraph rather than just a sentence, but there's no need to get aggressive about it. Regards, Jagged 85 11:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow! I confess I didn't understand anything in your last message. Of course I don't know nearly nothing about Gothic evolution in Italy. What I could do is to translate the Italian article for good. And you? --Attilios 11:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just finished Gothic architecture in Italy. It looks sketchy... of course needs your attention to correct language and terminology. Can you believe it? The Czech and Polish articles look hugely better!!! Do you know such languages? Do you think you can bring it to something comparable, also for other countries? Thanks and good work!!! --Attilios 10:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * PS... just jumped on Autun Cathedral and could not believe the childish level of the article. Struggling between my poor French and some google grabs, I managed to provide this. Let me know if it's good. --Attilios 11:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * AHHH!! Soorrrryyyyy... don't know why, I was convinced in your emisphere people were sleeping at this tme... Hugs... --Attilios 08:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Archives
Hi Amanda. I archived some of your old talk, as you asked. But there's still a lot here. If you think this is too much already and want a cleaner page, just cut as much as you want from here and paste it into the archive. Cheers PiCo 08:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Romanesque or Gothic?
OK, I'm very pleased to do it. However, you must promise that, once finished with Romanesque, you'll improve beautifully as usual regional articles also (say, Gothic architecture in Italy, England, Portugal etc...


 * Just check my new expansion, St. Antimo Abbey. Needs some help as I was in trouble with some architectural language. Thanks and good work!!! --Attilios 12:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Cologne Cathedral
Hi Amandajm - There is some difference of opinion over whether bare years should be linked, but the majority feeling (and mine) is that it's almost always valueless. See Manual of Style (dates and numbers)). It's very unlikely that anyone would click on this sort of year link, and if they did, they're even less likely to find anything useful there: the year articles are just a ragbag of unrelated facts. Colonies Chris 10:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Gothic architecture
I've fixed a few typos and redlinks. This is a very good article (in my untutored opinion), well organised, illustrated and fully referenced. You might think about getting it rated - it has potential to be a Featured Article, I think. Colonies Chris 11:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Hans Christian Anderson
I apologize for the misunderstanding. I do, however, still feel it was an inappropriate addition to the lead, and clumsily stated. Next time I will add the template as you suggested. María ( críticame ) 14:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The newest addition to the lead is much better, thank you. María ( críticame ) 14:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

"Hassling"
I don't know what it means... I added that note in Romanesque architecture not an invite tou you, but as a generical explaination why I had added the expand markup. Best wishes from Atti. --Attilios 14:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

gothic architecture
always plased to help... :) Maybe you can tell me your opinion about a personal idea of mine about romanesque architecture in Italy... My idea it that the large stained galls windows wre not used also because in summertime the chuch wouldd be too hot, so a large wall would be better. Does this sounds stupid? Did you ever read something like this in an architecture book? let me know, cheers --Sailko 22:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)e

Fra Angelico
Basically, I saw that the article seemed to be primarily complete. Granted, the nine years were removed. Unfortunately, as a non-expert in the field, I had to assume that such was done for a reason, and it's not my place to question that when dealing with articles at Stub, Start, or B level. Also, so far as I could tell, there never was an "A" rating on the article, and it wouldn't be my place as an individual to award that anyway. That's what WikiProject Biography/A-class review does. The B rating, for what it's worth, is given to articles which are still a bit shy of GA level. This one is more than a Start, as it is, comparatively, complete, except for one section whose absence is questionable, but that absence is probably not sufficient in and of itself to put it at "Start" class. With any luck, a more formal, detailed peer review could be requested, and then any deficiencies addressed. And, for what it's worth, nowhere in the article did it say that it was written by an expert in the field, and I know that many/most of the articles I work on are not written by such an expert, as I would never describe myself that way. I grant you that I may have been wrong in placing the Visual Arts assessment in, as I am technically not a member of that project. However, I have looked there scale over and I see nothing which indicates that they treat biographical articles any differently than Biography or Saints does. As for placing the comments in the comments section, I could have done that. However, in going over all the articles relevant to the Saints project, which is the proximate reason for my doing the bulk of these assessments, I know that as a non-expert I would have any comments I would make very likely poorly received, given my own lack of prior editing on the article, and sought to avoid that situation. For what it's worth, the article will now be watched over a bit more closely, by myself and the project, and I am placing it on my watchlist, but I can't guarantee that I am knowledgable enough in the art field to catch any errors relevant to content in that field. If you do wish a more formal, detailed review, I certainly would have no objections to myself placing it up for a more detailed peer review. John Carter 00:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the importance assessments were done by User:Pastordavid, who has a rather higher knowledge of the subject than I do. My guess is that he was ranked as "mid" (which is higher than several FA articles about people commemorated in religious calendars, like Leonhard Euler got, because of the significant impact on Christian religious history and art he made. Pastordavid tended to reserve top and high ranking to the likes of the Twelve apostles, the Virgin Mary, and the big Christian theologians, whose lasting contributions tended to be more written than visual. Regarding things like the Ghent Altarpiece, I am also now moderately involved in the Christianity Project, and know some people in the Catholicism project, and will try to add such content as I can find on such works to them. When the content is there, it will be rather harder to question the addition of the banners.

I can try to get together content relating to the miracles of Angelico and his works. I have access to a really good Catholic library locally, and can try to find it there. I'm not sure of the age of the miracle(s), however, so they might be rather difficult to find references to them in English. I do have a question whether miracles tied to the works of Angelico and others would better be included in articles (if any) about the specific works, or in the main article about the artist. Regarding the allegations of personal misconduct being included, we're getting used to that. Wikipedia's beliefs about presenting "criticism" make them kind of unavoidable. John the Apostle recently separated out a whole article, Homosexual readings of Jesus and John, pretty much on the same sort of content. That might be the best approach here as well. John Carter 01:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Painting
you say "no need for it to be discussed in the brief summary given within the Leonardo da Vinci article" No need why. Says who? I am proof enough a simple summary why should be included. Stangely enough all the major news networks here on Mars haven't covered the controversy of the painting. Nor on Earth. At least not front page on the major news outlets be it BBC, Reuters, Fox, CNN etc. Rather than sarcasm why not add the information that way the caption actually has context to the article rather than be misleading and non linking for those who want to know why. Then you say "but it is something that people find interesting" whats interesting about a statement that doesn't say why? Hey this painting is controversial but here on the authors page we won't say why or link it we will just leave it up to you to dig. Not very helpful is it. So why not just best of both worlds if you know the reason why its 'controversial' add the info or link it somehow so those of us living on Mars know why. Rather than just being presumptuous  and assuming everyone knows because you do. --Xiahou 22:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and linked it. That way it goes directly to the information in question. --Xiahou 23:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Your preaching to the choir. I think So little of Browns opinions that I didn't take it into account. I so competley discounted them that it didn't even register. Its a flat earth issue to me. Its been shot down so much I thought issue was dead years ago. Just money grubbing sensationalism trying to change history to fit their conspiracy to sell books. --Xiahou 00:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Gothic (again)
I'm not really up to contributing on architecture - I don't know the terms etc. But I'll keep an eye on it and add what I can. great work you're doing on these basic topics! Johnbod 02:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Translation
Will do, I'll put it in the reference and I'll leave you arranging the page as you want (this reference is present twice on the page BTW). Matthieu 05:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

How do you do it??
Can you teach me how to create a page plz?? It would be helpful--Editor232 15:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Len expanded
Added 200+???? Whoops! Still, my prose is definitely elegant and a boon to any article - anyway, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. I'll have a look at Architecture. PiCo 07:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Architecture
Not my cup of tea. PiCo 11:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci
Sounds good :).Thanks for showing me the scientist and inventor sub article of leonardo da vinci. Ill put the main article as mid and the science and inventor one as high importance.petze 07:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Amanda
You'll have to do another archiving if you keep this up! You on gmail? PiCo 07:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm in Oz, in Canberra. Gmail is Google's email system - it allows text messaging (and I don't use any other text messaging system). Who's Wendy Richardson? PiCo 07:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Email me. PiCo 08:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Neilbeach 06:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)]]
 * Neilbeach 13:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Arezzo
Hey!!! The most beautiful Romanesque church in the world IS Santa Maria della Pieve in Arezzo!!!!!!! Too stunning... I'm just back. I watched almost all Piero della Francesca masterworks, but in the end what impressed me the more is that church. Apart from exterior (also the massive mullioned windowed bell tower was striking), the interior is truly a full immersion in medieval word and sobriety. The reason it isn't famous? I think the fact that you can't shoot the façade if not from improbable positions; or that all art historians in Arezzo get much distracted by Piero's works. What a pity. Ciao and good work. --Attilios 21:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just added San Michele Maggiore by suggestion from a dead link in your article. It needs your attention for some terms (what the heck is the correct linke for the Cycle of the Months?!?!) Of course, if I see the "inuse" mark, I don't write in your articles. Good work. --Attilios 09:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Kölner Dom Picture
Hi Amandajm, did you write me (Dstern German Wiki) about the Kölner Dom Picture? If you want, you can Downlowd and Uplod the Picture by yourself and put my name there.... If you have any prblems contakt me.... best Christoph

Cathedral architecture
There's a passage that I didn't understood [here], that about the campanile. What did you mean? Ciao and thanks. --Attilios 22:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Insert non-formatted text here == Romanesque architecture ==

Your major edit should be, as you can see on the picture, "for a short while". Several hours is not "for a short while". Please let the other people work on Wikipedia. --Tlumaczek 11:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Objection of inserting of favorite pics I can formulate in accordance with you. I can also formulate an egoism objection. What do you mean completly rewrite? I think that it means point of view of all Wikipedians elaborated during years will be substituted by your point of view and your favorite pics. You simply don't respect their work. Sorry, but I can't accept that. --Tlumaczek 15:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. Mainly I agree with You but have one question. What about buildings like Speyer Cathedral? On german page [] You can see the phases of constructing this building which shows this cathedral was in it's main part reubuilded long after romanesque period. Can we show it in encyclopedia as an example of romanesque architecture? I've chosen this building as an example. We both know the phenomenon is much wider. Regards. --Tlumaczek 07:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Romanesque or Byzantine?
Ciao! I see you smartly replaced Santa Maria Arabona with San Vittore alle Chiuse image... so you spurred me to write the latter's article. Very nice!! I've taken infos from this excellent website, especially for images. Ciao and good work. --Attilios 15:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I see those men traited you bad!!! To avoid that, you can use instead of inuse... Ciao and good work. --Attilios 15:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The caption beginning with "interior..." must be in capital. And it's also better to specify that Genga is in Italy. Good work. --Attilios 13:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Angouleme
Ciao! I took inspiration by correcting links in your wide-scope giant articles to write Angouleme Cathedral. Can you give it a glance as I used an automatic translator from French... maybe some jerkish passages have remained (PS: try to add links to Cathedral as, say, Piacenza Cathedral, Cahors Cathedral etc. Most would be existing already. For other churches or edifices you can check the Main sights section I added in most articles, especially Italian ones.). Good work!!! --Attilios 14:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes.. thanks. Check also Cahors Cathedral... I did it in the momentum of enthusiasm... Ciao and good night!!! --Attilios 15:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry - just seen that. I had stopped for tonight, but may come back another day. It's looking very good I think. Johnbod 02:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Not at all! Actually I'm just going to stick a few sculppture photos in the gallery, unless you're working, in which case I'll stack em in the sandpit. Johnbod 03:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, Romanesque paintings are hard to find, and photograph . WP amateurs can't get the lighting, or the scaffolding. Johnbod 03:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello to you too
I've noticed your work in the architecture section of this intellectual emporium, and made reference to your contributions. Be careful, or your name will be added here. Of more modest means is my latest entry, the biography of a mentor who is greatly missed. I was about to paint his portrait (we were actually to pose for one another) the week he died. Thank you for the kind words re: Adriane. Had a good painting week, completing a landscape and a large figure piece. Next week I teach a figure painting workshop. Very best regards, JNW 03:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Romanesque
I do apologise, and promise not to chop your prose up again. I started out looking for typos. but never could resist the temptation to amend, reorganise, and generally rewrite other people's work. (Must have a go at the Sermon on the Mount some day - I'm sure Christ isn't the last word.)

"What it is, and who came up with the term, are not the same thing." An interesting point. If no-one comes up with the idea, does the thing exist? This is what lies behind Adam's naming the animals in Genesis - if he hadn't done this, they wouldn't really exist, or at least they wouldn't be distinguishable from each other, and Seth and subsequent generations would never have known whether one should ride horses and milk cows, or vice versa.

PiCo 11:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll give you my address - when's the angel arriving? PiCo 12:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Metz Cathedral
Hello Amandajm,

I see that you have a great interest for religious architecture. Mine was lesser, I only added a stub for Metz because it was listed in the "tallest churches" and I was looking for unlinked ones.

My source was the french WP : there are plenty of good english sources on the net. Feel free to check and rewrite. Thank you! -- DLL .. T 20:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What is insulting and what not?
It is not "typos" what I want to talk. Criticizing of your work is also not my intention. I wanted only to talk about idea of Wikipedia. You've explained to me Your intentions and as I said above I mainly agree with you. You said my attitude is insulting because I can also say Your attitude is insulting because to the man who disagree with You, you say: "You are stupid". As wikipedian like you I have rights to discuss about this article and to edit it. Very good idea (consistent with encyclopedia idea) is to write about all rebuilding and reconstructions of romanesque structures. First of all, there is important by the reason of rebuildings of romnesque structures by architects like Eugène Viollet-le-Duc made according to their imagination but not truth historic. In spite of all best regards. --Tlumaczek 09:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Briefs
The joke would be funnier if I could find his edit - shows only two - are they about on a different account I don't know about? --Mcginnly | Natter 11:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I see - it was your misreading. I found them at archinect :-) BTW it's generally going to be difficult to represent current academic thinking with an old copy of Fletcher under your arm. The reprint Sir Banister Fletcher, – Dan Cruickshank/ Published 1996 is a good read but expensive. I personally recommend Harry Francis Mallgrave Modern Architectural Theory: A Historical Survey, 1673-1968 and Architectural Theory: Anthology from Vitruvius to 1870 v. 1., and also A History of Western Architecture – David Watkin / Published 1996. BTW does anyone know what A history of architecture on the disparative method: With apologies to Sir Banister Fletcher (all eighteen editions) is like? - sounds a real hoot. Kind regards --Mcginnly | Natter 12:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Well if you're a medieval expert, I'd love to see someone sort out Chester Cathedral. Romanesque origins on Anglo-Saxon foundations. The choir stalls are spectacular, rood screen and various restorations by Gilbert Scott. My person favourite is a carving on one of the miserichords of a supposed elephant - clearly the carver hasn't even seen a picture of one, he's going on description and gives it a trunk but with the body of a dray horse. I've held back from any improvements waiting for this bizarre spat to get forgotten about. Quite what's happened in the bell ringing circles is anyone's guess - but sounds juicy! --Mcginnly | Natter 16:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ye hav' 2 cows
You have two cows. Which one are you trying to kill ? For me, none, that's why I'm out of an encyclopedia project that I cherished so much one year ago. -- DLL .. T 16:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * One is full of enthusiasm for knowledge, discovery, or just fandom.
 * The other just wants no personal research, no point of view, no life.

P.S. regarding the arachnids - they're from WP's Main page "Today's featured picture" and show on my page with that code "". Search WP for "picture of the day" for details. H.

Concerns
I am not trying to nitpick nor am I trying to distract you from your work. Feel no need to take part in discussions. I am trying to help make the encyclopaedia better by making sure it is "structured". This also helps it appear legitimate to non-editors. My content additions are not primarily to architectural articles, though I did just add opus gallicum. Srnec 04:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I know very little about German architecture. I could do more with Merovingian, Carolingian, and Spanish architecture. Or even Italian architecture of southern Italy in the Lombard and Norman epochs. I did write the Sondergotik article a while back, but that is an exception to my general work. Germany is not my specialty. Srnec 05:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (We all get fed up from time to time. That's why I am primariy, like yourself, a content editor.) I'm not from Germany and I don't know German. I'm from and in Canada. I'm an Anglophone with some knowledge of Spanish and French. That's why I can help translate architecture stuff from the French and Spanish Wikis if I don't have sources or knowledge of it myself. Srnec 05:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict
There where two same pictures in same cathegory. I've improved the problem when there was no major edit pattern there. You've remited the error twice and now as pettifogger You are yelling on me. Best regards. --193.109.212.37 08:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Holy Chalice
Dear Amandajm: Thank you very much for your helpful comments on my talk page. I appreciate your takinging the time to help me out. God bless you. MishaPan 13:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Eastern Church architecture
I would be happy to help you in any way I could. Alex2006 might also be a good person to contact; he's been creating and editing articles about historical Byzantine churches. So he might be a good contact, and he might help rally other interested editors. MishaPan 14:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think "Eastern Orthodox Cathedral Architecture" is really a topic in the same way as in the West, until you get to Romanov Russia anyway. As far as I can see the size of medieval cathedrals varied greatly, and they were very often overshadowed by monastic churches, or those built by rulers. In Thessaloniki the cathedral was much smaller than Hagios Demetrios (in fact it is now unclear exactly where the old cathedral was) and the four cathedrals of the Moscow Kremlin cover the typical size range of English medieval parish churches: small, medium, and large. The interior of St Basils in Red Square is not huge either.  But Byzantine architecture is short for the importance of the subject, and the ones on Russian medieval architecture are even shorter. Johnbod 17:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Metzy cows
Hello amandajm,

I hope I'm not offending either but when you write "I don't need a blinking guide book to tell me that the nave was built ..." you're unencyclopaedic. Glad to know that you can do it anyway.

I wrote something about Diderot when I came to WP. How was it that he came with a POV and an agenda - killing church and altar and throne and power - and that everyone thinks he was so good ? Now you try something here and they say "hey that"s unreferenced by any authority!" That's why I quit for now. See my blog if you want I'll send you a link.

All the best, -- DLL .. T 17:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC) -- PS Sorry that I read too quickly your post. I'm not offended at all and your request is all for the best. It's just that I won't be of much help. --18:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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Flu
Sorry to hear abt the flu. But, like so many things, (time, youth, love) it will pass. How's Sunny Sinny?PiCo 06:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: User talk:71.242.178.21 (Cathedral)
1. I do have a user name, I was temporarilly signed out.

2. I did not do anything to the pictures in the cathedral article. All I did was add a space between the words "and" and "Rouen".

3. Perhaps you meant to send your message to User talk:172.200.41.243?

I suggest that in the future you check twice before handing out accusations. YankeeDoodle14 17:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yankee Doodle, it was not an accusation that I handed out, merely advice, and an explanation as to where the picture had gone, presuming it to be a new and in experienced, editor. I'm sorry thhat it was sent to the wrong person. --Amandajm 10:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Newtown graffiti
Amanda - thanks heaps for the work you did on the King mural section - much appreciated - I was not aware of that aspect of its history. Fantastic!

I've just updated the Camperdown Mem. Park section with more pics including a photo of the "Frazer" slogan, and I think the wide shot in that section also shows more of the fading "Hans held violently onto words that meant nothing" slogan -- one of mym all time faves, along that old fave, "Consume - Bbe silent - Die". Both are mentioned in the text. I'd forgotten all about "Ruby, what about me little mate?" - that would be a great addition, as are those others you mentioned. I don't suppose you have photos of them?

I also recently took a snap of a slogan under the billboard on Liberty St that says "John Laws Fascist Heroin Dealer"- I doubt that will last long and I'd love to include it but wonder about possible legal ramifications? Another good one that lasted only weeks on Salisbury Rd early this year, (which I mentioned in the opening section) was "Madonna: The Devil Incarnate". Sadly didn't get over there in time to get a snap of it :(

Anyway, if you'd like to add anything else I'd be delighted. I have zillions more pics but I think it's probably nearing the reasonable limit now -- I'll have to set up my own site!

Many thanks for your contributions! Dunks 03:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

School Captian Reference at Newtown, NSW
Hola! I replied at Talk:Newtown, New South Wales, this discussion should be there and not on my talk page. IP4240207xx 17:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

What Wikipedia (an encyclopedia) is and what it is not
Amanda, I think you are doing great, but you have to figure out what an encyclopedia is, and what it is not. Step back and contimplate this for a while.

1) Don't "own" these articles. Contribute and don't get attached to them. You'll be happier.

2) If you want to contribute more editorial prose style, this is NOT the place.

3) In an encyclopedia we do not say things like:


 * The Nile is a lovely river in Africa.

We say:


 * The Nile is a river in Africa.

You say:


 * "A less pleasant commemoration of her was the naming of the slave ship."

This is editorial prose.

While "less pleasant" maybe 100% true, is it really encyclopedic? Go to the library and look at an encyclopedia, it is SHORT, CONCISE, and does not put in such POV material.

You may write information that is 100% accurate, and is good material, but does not belong here, in an encyclopedia.

There is a difference between:

A "FOOTNOTE":

And:

A "REFERENCE":

You need to use both to help develop your sources of some of your notes.

Encyclopedias, are BLACK and WHITE (for the most part). It is not Live Planet, or something close to that.

A lot of people mis-understand what is needed here, including myself. I have to continuely check myself from editorializing and interjecting my own thoughts into my contributions, and still things seem to slip through. But, I do better if I give up "ownership" of the article, I don't take it to heart, don't take it personally. If I can stay back and remain objective, I seem to do a lot better at keeping "waffle words" out.

SEE: Guide to writing better articles (This is a good one!)

I know that I am a better encyclopedia editor now, than I was when I first started here, in May of 2004. But I know that I can still improve even more than what I have done so far. The amount of information that I DON'T know keeps growing faster than the list of what I DO know.

Thanks, keep up the good work, improve, but keep it up. IP4240207xx 18:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Mount Bulusan
In the article: Mount Bulusan, you inserted "(See list below)"... but I see NO LIST in the article, let alone one listed the 15 times eruptions since 1886. IP4240207xx 18:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Leo
OK thanks. I figured I might have been overdoing it a bit but lets face it - we all know his level of greatness -its trying to tone it down inan encyclopedia entry. Yes a Savant often applies to a certain genius in one topic such as Mathematics but it has become known as the highest category on the IQ table -generally above 190. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦     "Talk"? 12:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you like my kitty. See the IQ reference chart. The term has now come to define to highest order although I agree traditionally it just refers to the highly accomplished ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 13:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I also share your love of cathedral and gothic architecture. I love Italian architecture the duomos of Italy!! My amigo User:Attilios has done some terrific work on this -you should check his edits out ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 13:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes he can be quite particular about certain things but I guess it is his love for wikipedia to get everything perfect. HIs contributions to Italy have been outstanding one of the best. - particularly on architecture and Italy's heritage ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"? 13:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Protection
It was requested at RFPP that the page be unprotected. I have re-protected the article, as it seems it was getting heavily vandalized again. Thanks for telling me. Acalamari 16:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Coptic Architecture
Hi Amanda! Do you have anything on this? They have found all their articles are riddled with copyvio, & are having to start from near-scratch. I have added some, but don't have good sources. Just a little would help, if you can. Johnbod 13:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wendy Richardson
just a dumb cut & paste mistake on my part, have removed it. thx  &rArr; bsnowball 15:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Bristol architecture
Hi, Thanks for your edits to Bristol Cathedral. I've corrected a few typos & made a few links but could you say whether it is appropriate to link the word "tierceron" (as in roof vaulting) with the article on Lierne (vault) which it redirects to? Also would you be interested in taking a look at the wider article Buildings and architecture of Bristol, which is currently up as a FA candidate - comments/votes welcome at Featured article candidates/Buildings and architecture of Bristol. Thanks again&mdash; Rod talk 14:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

G'Day
I had no hand in the over-parenthesising which you indicated in the in the Cathedral article. --JohnArmagh 15:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Cathedrals
I will do work on the article as and when I can. I have been rather busy at work recently. --JohnArmagh 18:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Re-directing a Re-direct
searching 'flamboyant' takes you to the "Flamboyant" article, the french gothic architecture sub-style. searching 'flamboyant period' or 'flamboyant style' re-directs you the same "Flamboyant" article. but searching 'flamboyant gothic' takes you to "Decorated Period", the english gothic architecture sub-style. that dont make no sense to me. im not registered so i dont know how to re-direct 'flamboyant period' to point to the french sub-style, not the english sub-style. after all, anyone thinking about looking for a 'flamboyant ANYthing' will think of the french version. for the few who know that the english "Decorated" is also known as 'flamboyant', a note can be put at the top of the french version, letting them know of the 'decorated' article. can you help by re-directing for me? or should i search for someone in the WikiProject: Architecture? i'll check back for your answer. (Ivansevil) 03:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello, whoeveryouare!
 * I'll see what I can sort out in the next few days. Gotta do some more work on some of the architecture articles, but I haven't got much concentration at the minute. Amandajm 16:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Commons Delinker
What was your plan here? The CommonsDelinker is a bot who is not just working for fun but because the replaced picture will be deleted. Just because a picture does disappear at your browser it does not mean that there is a problem with the picture. -- CecilK 16:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Arnolfini
Careful Amanda, The chandelier passage may be speculation, but is straight from a much longer discussion in the NG catalogue, as is most of the article. Almost everything known about the painting is speculation, but informed speculation. The reference covers that whole section. That will be going back in, but I will let you finish first. What would be useful is someone who has the Panofsky text, as his points are only referenced via 3rd parties. Second-guessing the 37pp NG catalogue entry, especially without seeing it, is not so useful. Johnbod 12:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually I forgot that someone has now referenced the Panofsky properly. Johnbod 12:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I replied on mine. Johnbod 13:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Spanish Gothic
What you are saying is true, but there is no room for it all there. Needs separate article.

The most diverse by far is English Gothic. None of the others compare. Spain is the next diverse. Germany and France have considerable regional diversity, but not the huge stylistic development that occurred in England. Italy is not so diverse, except Milan and Sicily They all need separate articles.Amandajm 10:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK! I just added a couple more details- in particular, reference to the Mudéjar influence, and so on.
 * I have not named various periods. When I first worked on this article, it had relatively meaningless lists of the various periods in each country, but no useful comparisons. I moved all that to Main pages, for willing workers to expand into full-length articles. And I greatly expanded all the stuff that pertains to Gothic in a general way. Also, what i said above, that as far as diversity, none of the others compare with England, is an exaggeration. What I should have written was, only Spain compares with England. ;) Amandajm 11:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * After the changes it looks better, although it continues somehow vague. Indeed, I agree with you with that of the "main articles", and it is my fault not to have enough time by the moment to write some vaulable content on it. It will be a priority when I have a moment. The handicap of the language makes my editions slower that any native speaker's if I want them to be correct. By the way, should I remark that Mudéjar is not the same as Islamic architecture? On the other hand, although there were influences of Al Andalus in almost all the Christian architectural styles of the Middle Ages in the Iberian Peninsula, the influence in Gothic is very delimited to the Mudéjar Gothic, in the rest of styles the influences are puntual or even anecdotical. Thirteenth century was by far one of the most "international" moments of Spanish architecture.


 * And last, but not least, it could be considered a bit restrictive to face the local developements of any style ONLY with comparisons, and even more ONLY of comparisons OF THE CATHEDRALS. if all the regional sections become a bit longer, I don´t think it will be a catastrophe.


 * I hope my reflections are read as what they are: an attempt to improve the quality of the article contents, although of course, the level of this one, and of Renaissance architecture, is much better than before Amandajm. Besides, I knew because of your careful way of behaving in Wikipedia that it is always a pleasure to participate in talk pages with you!


 * Thanks, and let us leave debates about comparison of England with elsewhere, just remember George Mikes :-))))!


 * "On the Continent almost every nation whether little or great has openly declared at one time or another that it is superior to all other nations; the English fight heroic wars to combat these dangerous ideas without ever mentioning which is really the most superior race in the world."


 * --Garcilaso 15:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Renaissance architecture
Hey, I did not notice it was assessed as A class by the Architecture wikiproject. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I've removed the GAC. - Wikipedical 21:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Vitruvian man
- Wikipedia managed to get it by somewhat unusual means. Adam Cuerden talk 07:17, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Gothic architecture: Italy
Deletion probably not intentional. Can't remember what was in there and what I did. Starting from scratch, I think Italy in c.1300 consisted of two distinct regions, north and south: the south was the old Norman kingdom, by then either under new management or about to become so - any Gothic architecture in Palermo? - about to become a backwater for the rest of recorded history. The north quite different, multitude of city-states, tho numbers steadily decreasing as big fish ate smaller ones, but most of them based on banking and trading and with plenty of money to splash around on fancy new architecture. I'd have to look up the details. Have you got the books?PiCo 15:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Signing off
My signing off message: I've been trying to kick the Wiki-habit, but without success. I'm supposed to be working! Nice little article on Angkor coming along, great fun doing the research, visiting villages and photogrpahing tourists, now need to sit down and write it up, always the hardest part. Hope the vertibrae heal nicely. Really is a good article on Gothic cathedrals.PiCo 15:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Lucera
Have a look at Lucera - sounds like a fascinating place. PiCo 07:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured articles
I look forward to reading the articles over the next few days. It's good to hear from you. Hope you are doing well! Best regards, JNW 11:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Ouch! For the moment you will have to be careful lugging the heavy art history books...I'm sending you healing thoughts. In the meantime, I've supported FA status on two articles so far. Very best wishes, JNW 12:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Best of luck! And sorry to see/hear about your back too! I've added bits to Romo & Gotho, probably too much to review, but I'll keep any eye on the process, & look carefully at Reno. I've participated in the process on articles I've not worked on; I must say I couldn't face putting one of my "own" up. Keep your cool - there will be provocations, as I expect you know! Johnbod 13:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, there will be some of that, I expect! I've just stopped half-way through Reno - well up to your usual standard - the rest later. Johnbod 14:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've commented on Reno - I think the "Main References" trick can be a useful way of defusing demands for inlines every sentence. They will want the bibliographies alphabetically, but it is best to leave them some juicy nits to pick! Johnbod 16:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. The FAC instructions state "Users are asked not to add a second nomination here until the first has gained support and concerns have been substantially addressed." You have nine nominations currently on the page. If those were to all go through, you would equal the contributions of the most prolific FA writers this year, within a few weeks. There are various reasons for the rule, but I think the best is respect for reviewers: there are a lot of FACs awaiting reviewing, and only so many people writing reviews. It's likely that either your, or someone else's, nominations will receive less than full attention. I have every respect for anyone who works to improve articles to a high standard, so please do not take this as an attempt to discourage you, but please consider withdrawing nominations and making them in the more traditional one-at-a-time manner. You'll get a decent review on them from me, at least, that way. Thanks, J.W inklethorpe talk 07:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The production of "actual researched and written words" is, in my opinion, the highest and best value activity on wikipedia. In fact, it's fair to say that all other activities only support the production or improvement of articles. Encouraging and maintaining standards via FA is one of those supporting activities, and I think one of the most valuable, which is why I contribute to FAC. So my point would be, the guideline is there to make FAC workable for the reviewers. The volumes on there are very high at the moment, to the extent that an unusual number of nominations are having to restarted for lack of activity. Anyway, it's your decision. J.W inklethorpe talk 18:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Amandajm. First, thank you very much for working on articles about some of my favorite painters, who have been largely ignored here on Wikipedia for a while. However, as an FA Reviewer and an FA Contributor, in the future it would be wise not to put up so many FAs at once. I'm seeing the same mistakes on several of the articles, which, while they should be easily fixed for you, will frustrate reviewers who don't want to enumerate those multiple times. This might end up being bad for your articles because you might get either little or no comment on many of your articles, or many negative reviews. I've posted my comments on the review for Fra Angelico, and I'll try to wait a few days to review some of the others so that you can apply the same types of fixes to those articles too. Karanacs 20:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ciao!!
Ciao Amanda!! Here I am... I had just to do my last engineering exam, so I was on Wikipedia truly episodically. Promise to stay more here in the future, although I've also my thesis to finish within early November. Hugs from Attilio. --Attilios 09:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciao again! Spurred by you, I've finally written San Domenico di Siena church's article. I think, if you've time, it quizzed me for some elements: the original Italian text said "Croce Egizia" plan, so I put there a tentative Egyptian cross but it doesn't work. I've no idea of which type of plan it is. Ah, I also agree that that reference mania is just for the sake of itself. If one puts a main reference in the article's bottom, that'd be enough!!! Hugs from Attilio and thanks. --Attilios 09:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Salutations, we need your opinion
Hello, I would like you to participate in a discussion regarding the Brazil article, and how some users have demonstrated to have some racist attitudes, we need to have a more objective perspective besides that of white-rich Brazilians that have been trying to portrait it as a Scandinavian country.

Here is the link, please put your comment, help us stop racism, thank you. Supaman89 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Greetings.

Thanks for participating. Regarding one of your points, the "faces" of Brazil, the only pictures of people in Brazil's article are those of authorities. More specifically, there's a picture of the President of Brazil, one of the President of the Brazilian Supreme Court, and one of the Minister of Finance (the most important Minister). They are not there to represent demographics of Brazil, they are there solely to ilustrate the Government section. Thus, I believe there's nothing strange about this. Almost all authorities in Brazil happen to be white because of historic reasons. This may not be a good thing, but it's reality.

Sparks1979 03:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough - I prefer a picture of the High Court too. Once the current "fight" is over, perhaps we can suggest this change in the talk page. Sparks1979 13:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for participating. Felipe C.S ( talk ) 19:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Leonardo's FAC:
Hi there; I've replied to your comments and have now added a full report as I said I was going to do. Please refrain from making personal attacks, and let's keep this personal eh? Cheers Amanda (I presume your name is Amanda? Or Jim, but you seem like a girl judging from the "60 year old mother" part.) :) Anyway, see you around. Sincerly, Spawn Man 04:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Renaissance painters
Ciao Amanda!! Oh, nothing special. I wrote that the article is pretty good... just, I seem missing at least mentioning more about somebody like Botticelli or Filippino Lippi. But perhaps it's just my taste, I don't know. Good work anyway! What's your new major addition you're planning? --Attilios 08:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh!! I've noticed that Tornabuoni Chapel was missing! I've just started translation from the Italian article!!! Give a glance to it late in the day if you can. --Attilios 09:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Leonardo
I'll work elesewhere tonight (in Australia). By the way, I think the powers that be will want the external links thinned out for it to get promotion.--Grahamec 11:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC) Oh, you mean there was an edit conflict: I'll sort it out.--Grahamec 11:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The easiest way to satisfy people about citations, seems to be to put the various sources for a paragraph at the end of each para, which is also another reason for bigger paragraphs. Some unimportant points put in by others that aren't sources can be deleted.  The foreign language external links and those already referred to in the footnotes can also be deleted.  I don't think there is a need to separate sources and comments in the footnotes (but others may have a different opinion).  You put the system under pressure by putting up so many important articles for promotion at once, but if nobody cares about an article they won't comment on/criticise it.--Grahamec 13:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I notice my comment above about Australian time was unnecessary.--Grahamec 14:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just adding cite templates, now OK. By the way footnote 17 is fairly useless (it is unclear where you have to go and then you have to register).--Grahamec 08:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Verrai changed it yesterday to Restoration of the Sistine Chapel frescoes.--Grahamec 08:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that 2 nominations are easier to handle than 9. You will still probably get a fair amount of pressure to add references for each paragraph (even if only referring to Britannica 1911).--Grahamec 04:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Anglicans
I assume your comments were in good fun. I don't think I even did anything other than clean up an article or two. -- SECisek 17:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Note on FAs
Amandajm, I noticed your query on Raul's talk page, and thought I'd drop you a note with a suggestion. You might consider picking the FAC that you feel most confident will succeed, and asking Raul to withdraw all the others. You can do this by simply adding another note on his talk page listing the noms you'd like withdrawn. If you feel confident about two of them, then you might consider keeping two, but until you have an FA under your belt it might be better to stick with one. Don't forget that once the first one is successful you can start renominating the others. Also, if you decide you can manage more than one at once, a good way to do it is to nominate one, and then wait till the nomination settles down a bit -- no new opposes or significant issues raised for two or three days, for example -- before nominating another. Just some thoughts; hope this is useful. And good like with all your FACs, of course. Mike Christie (talk) 17:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hope you're not too pissed off with all the FA stuff - if I'd realized you were going to nominate 9 or whatever art once I would have said something at the start. Feed them through 1 at a time is best. The Leonardo one is a bit shaky in my view - too much showing from much earlier versions, and a bit disorganised.  The Restoration should be ok I think. Anyway, don't let it get you down. Johnbod 19:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Tornabuoni
Did you give a glance to Tornabuoni Chapel? Hugs from Attilio. --Attilios 17:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Stained glass
Usually the best recourse is to inform the spammer the next time they attempt to advertise on the article page that their added material will not be allowed to remain. The spammer clearly knows that he or she is spamming, but, when confronted, usually gives up (if the spam is being removed quickly, the impetus to spam declines). If the problem persists, short-term protection could be instituted, but the article appears to have gone a few days without being vandalised (aside from random-strike vandalism yesterday), which is long enough that there is no imminent threat of further vandalism. If it happens again, just drop me a line, and I'll deal with it further. — Verrai 16:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Sistine Chapel restoration
Reference 8 ("FM") is broken - i.e, undefined. It has a reference, but no initial definition. Raul654 02:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Jean Isherwood
Why thankyou ... my dad gives me interesting obituaries so I thought I might as well put the Aussie ones (in particular) to good use! You had most of the info there but I could add something at least. Cheers, Sterry2607 12:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Vitruvian Man (answer)
Text translates automatically (sorry): Hello, Amandajm

I made the photographs in artificial light well, but I worked with the format raw and I removed dominant coloured lighting. The original document is well coloured. The drawings with ink with time became brown orange. Paper on certain documents is brown, on other really orange. Look at all the series you will notice the nuances of colors from one document to another. Cavity I cannot be perfect color, but I worked with nearest to the original documents.

Yours sincerely

Original French text: Bonjour, Amandajm

J'ai bien fait les photos en lumière artificielle, mais j'ai travaillé au format raw et j'ai supprimé la dominante colorée de l'éclairage. Le document original est bien coloré. Les dessins à l'encre avec le temps sont devenu brun orange. Le papier sur certains documents est brun, sur d'autre vraiment orange. Regardez toute la série vous allez remarquer les nuances de couleurs d'un document à l'autre. Évidement je ne sais pas être parfait en couleur, mais j'ai travaillé au plus proche des documents originaux.

Bien à vous --Luc Viatour 07:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Is changes carried out that appropriate to you? --Luc Viatour 09:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Brussels (answer)
Yes St-Michel and Gudule is medievale :)

more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Michael_and_Gudula_Cathedral --Luc Viatour 10:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Restoration of the Sistine Chapel frescoes
Have made some strikethroughs, and some followup comments. Just so it's clear, I'm quite amenable to being disagreed with on my comments - I've been known to bark up the wrong tree, and I'm happy to concede once it's clear I'm doing so. Also, in regard to your remark to Raul about me not returning to my Leonardo comments...I am allowed a holiday every now and again :) Where someone hasn't returned to their comments, Raul makes his own judgement on them, I believe J.W inklethorpe talk 23:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well done! Phew! Might the Romanesque or Gothic ones be easier for the next? Maybe not, but at least there are easy to find alternative refs. Have a break first anyway. How's the back? Johnbod 01:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes - I do have the big book. I'm off to bed now, but if you have Q's I should be able to look tomorrow. Johnbod 02:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you qualify for this, btw? Detained from bed by nonsense here. Now I'm in a bad mood & won't get to sleep soon. Doh. Johnbod 03:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * At the moment I am having trouble sleeping - but yes I spend much too much time on. Don't get into arguments with men with chainsaws is my advice! Johnbod 14:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * DYK is much easier than the others - let me know if you want tips, as i've done 34 or something vs 1/2 a GA & no FA. Generally the edits you get to the article are few and sensible; it's not a grinding process.  You just need a nice smallish subject, on which you have good material, or to expand a stub. Johnbod 13:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, you probably need a break before heading back into battle.--Grahamec 04:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Mountain Ash
Hi AmandaJM. So far the article is doing well. There was a time, not so long ago, when it was strongly anti-logging in tone. I think it is important to note the controversy about logging E. regnans (it is a fact that there is controversy about logging), but that the article should remain neutral NPOV. As a person who made their living for a number of years as an artisan (one man) furniture designer maker, I think it is important to note that there are sustainable uses for this timber, and that it is held in high regard by builders and architects. A lot of people who do the kind of work I did do so out of a love for timber and the forest. Most woodworkers deplore the woodchipping and waste of valuable timbers that goes on in parts of the industry. The first people to talk about forest conservation in Australia, as far as I know, were foresters, loggers and builders and cabinetmakers. This is because early on in the white settlement phase so much was being cleared for agriculture. Many cabinetmakers are horrified by the loss of our native cedars, for instance, which were cut down to give convict work gangs something to do. But I also think that certain members of the conservation movement are wrong about plantation forestry. Compare the populations of indigenous species in a pine plantation with a regrowth forest. And it is true that the reason that clearfelling was developed is because selective logging was a failure for regeneration, was dangerous to the people working in the forest (they used to get killed and horribly injured), and was considered to be a contributing factor to the catastrophic Black Friday fires in 1939. I know there is a lot of well meaning people who get very upset about clearfelling, but forest and timber products are the only sustainable building resources we have, with the possible exception of adobe. Everything thing else requires mining, quarrying, toxic wastes and huge quanitities of greenhouse gas emissions. Do you know how much CO2 is produced in the manufacture of bricks, concrete, steel and glass? Also one of those large trees provides enough timber for 150 houses. That's not a bad return. The problems are that we turn our housing stock over too fast, and sell trees for woodchip. But then AmandaJM, do you have any books in your house? Do you have any aluminium? Aluminium smelting uses huge quanitities of wood chip too; they use it to make the carbon rods for the arc furnaces. Things are not clear black and white on this issue. Please don't revert the article to it's former POV stance. Let's just stick to the facts. I love the forest too. I live near it, I made beautiful furniture from it, and now I photograph it. But I think we should sustainably manage it and use it. I actually think that is the best environmental policy we can have. MarkAnthonyBoyle 07:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I note your comment about the pictures in the gallery, I spent a long time sorting through the images and did not take the decision lightly. Priority should be given to text, not images, unless it illustrates a point in the article more effectively than would otherwise be possible. It is a beautiful and grand species, images are helpful, but they should not overwhelm the text of the article. You will notice that there is a link in the article to wikimedia Commons, the gallery I created there can be improved to meet the requirements of displaying the differing aspects of the species in images. In this way, the reader (viewer) can see all the best images of the species. I do not consider this removing images, but displaying them in the best way.  There are many sister sites that can be used to support the article, I firmly believe that the article is best served by a tight and informative prose.  I hope you will consider these points and not see my extensive removal as a culling or censoring. Please log in to Commons and improve the presence of the species across wikimedia, in addition to wikipedia. I placed this comment in this section as it was on the same topic, but I neither endorse or disagree with the comments above.  Thanks for your contributions. Best regards  Cygnis insignis 08:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, Amandajm. I have been known to weep over such things also.  The article has swung both ways, this is rarely the path to an encyclopedic article. It has contained anti- and pro- logging rhetoric, the editors comment above is spin in my humble opinion. It is considered and restrained, but irrelevant. So is this: I personally don't use paper, aluminium or the other supposedly indispensable items mentioned above. If the use of the material was for a house that was to stand for another 1 or 2 hundred years, justifying it would be easy. As it is mostly used for consumables, it is another example of an economy driven by disposability.  I think that forests can and should be used in sustainable ways, but I know of few instances of that in Australia.  All this has little to do with our task here, so I will address a couple of things.
 * Higher res scans would be great; please make absolutely sure that they are Public Domain, or Fair use, if they are not your own images. I can help you with this, if you find it baffling.
 * Find the hardest, coldest facts you can. Add the citationn. Anything else will be shot to pieces.
 * Contribute to articles on all your interests, if you don't already, the best way to contribute to this one will become apparent.
 * Ignore the attempt of editors to make it personal or debate the issue with you. This is a common mistake, even amongst experienced editors, facts are what we present. Opinions belong elsewhere. The editor above has slid into an ad hominem approach, the interseting points he makes are diluted by this, it is almost never necessary to address an individual in discussion of content.
 * Archive your page, its getting a bit long. Not that I helped that any :-)
 * Enjoy editing here, if you need some links to sound and reasonable admins, let me know. I think there are one or two left (if any Sysop is reading this, I mean you!) Best regards, Cygnis insignis 09:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * CONGRATS!! I will look at that. I didn't have an opinion when I started writing it, but I do now! made me laugh out loud. I will let you know if I suddenly form an opinion on the subject ;-) I hope you don't consider my unsolicited advice to be patronising, I say it to remind myself as much as anything. Greenday seem derivative to me, the first wave of punk was my education, and speakers 'from under the house' would surely make anything sound punk!  I notice that you are a member of the Oz project, did you know that state projects are around too? They are a better way to make useful contacts, I think of the national project as more of a portal. Cheers, say hello again one day.  Cygnis insignis 10:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

You know, all the things you addressed on my talk page are not my edits. I am not trying to defends Gunns. If you want to know, I made a point of not buying from them when I was a furniture maker. What I am advising here is that you don't fall into the trap of getting emotional (in an article in an encyclopedia) over a very complex issue. The article will become unstable, and that serves no-one's interest. It is not intended as an ad hominem attack. Merely a plea to maintain NPOV on a very emotional issue. see WP:soapbox. MarkAnthonyBoyle 10:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

PS To adjust the key repeat rate Open Keyboard in Control Panel. On the Speed tab, make changes as follows: To adjust the amount of time that elapses before characters repeat when you hold down a key, drag the Repeat delay slider. To adjust how quickly characters repeat when you hold down a key, drag the Repeat rate slider. Note

To open Keyboard, click Start, click Control Panel, and then double-click Keyboard. Related Topics Cheers MarkAnthonyBoyle 11:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Look, I don't know what I've done to upset you. You seem to be taking this personally. I started by saying "So far the article is doing well". I just noticed when I was editing this page once that you put a very strong statement on the talk page. I noticed that you were editing the page (it's on my watchlist). I noticed your tagline "Doing some work on this page. Its biased in the direction of big business." I just don't want the article to seesaw about wildly. I'm not saying anything other than it is a complex issue. I don't want to read this article and feel like I am a bad guy for having used a beautiful timber in my work. It's not all about Gunn's and woodchips, that's all. Just a little pre-emptive discussion. MarkAnthonyBoyle 11:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC) Are we OK on this now?MarkAnthonyBoyle 12:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mark! How much wood do you use? I'd say that a fine craftsman would be doing well to get through one eucalyptus regnan in a lifetime! I don't think you are causing the problem. Amandajm 12:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, precisely MarkAnthonyBoyle 12:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci
Why not put it up for peer review? At least one of the objectors last time suggested it, and since the nom there was closed only on the 8th, it might be good to give it another week or two before nominating again. Getting all the peer review suggestions taken care of before the FAC nomination will mean that it can start there with a clean slate. I didn't have a chance to go through any of it yet, but once it pops up on PR I'll do a full review on it. Jeff Dahl 15:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Apropos Shakespear comments...
The dumbing down of educational systems is not unique to Australia. While visiting the States in 1995 I listened with shock to a radio program on education: in that year alone, out of 2.5 million high school graduates nation-wide, 1.5 were already known to be functional illiterates. It gives another spin to Global Village when educators play this kind of follow-the-leader. A bonbon for you: ''What do a woman and a tea bag have in common? You don't know how strong they are until you put them in hot water...''' :D. Shir-El too 00:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My complements on having a Blue Heeler; you need time and space to keep up with one of these. My husband introduced me to mini Schnauzers, but our last two dogs were an abused terrier and a Bouvier-cross bitch, both of whom adopted us. Be Well and Happy, Shir-El too 04:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Heeler
Keep him away from bananas and potatoes, the potassium destroys their kidneys! I used to put banana peels in my potted plants [A-1 fertilizer] till I caught my Bouvier-cross sneaking them out. The vet warned me it was deadly. Good Luck {...she is never a lady...), Shir-El too 01:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You'll have to ask a vet, we don't have that tree around here. Beans in general are off limits for dogs, as are nuts and most high protein foods; I gave my dogs dry cat food as a treat once till the vet warned me off. Cats need very high protein levels by contrast. Maybe the Heelers have different requirements. My Georgie loved salad parings: carrot tops 'n tips, cucumber tips, peeled lettuce stem (also good in salad, btw), but her teeth were too big to handle lettuce leaves. Both also liked cooked zucchini and carrot.   Our dogs passed away 2 years ago, the terrier at 17 and the Bouvier-cross at 14+. However the big one came to us with Mediterranean Tick Fever and the vet never expected her to get passed 10, so I think she had a good run. Now I've got cats in the yard. BTW you mentioned Kipling?  "I've been given my charge to keep...." ) Have a good weekend, Shir-El too 10:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

E.T.B.
I do have copies of pictures of ETB, but as I don't have title I don't think I can submit them. The originals must be with members of the family in Australia, but again it would be considered inappropriate to give names out here. A lot of material was collated by Nick Vine Hall and his widows may be able to point you in the right direction. Alternatively putting up a "picture wanted" note in an Infobox might get a response. Vine Hall wrote about the Blackets but I have not used his work as a reference as there are some inaccuracies and I prefer original sources. There are problems of fact as well as opinion in the Australian biographies and there is always a risk that someone will revert correct information on the basis of them. A case in point is the mythical "Blacket Cloth". I would love to think that Blacket senior made some major contribution in the field of materials science, but I have been able to find absolutely no other references to this material. Unless it was made for some Emperor, I assume someone picked up a piece of advertising blurb, and it should be consigned to a footnote to prevent anyone else thinking it is significant. On the other hand, I introduced Freshfield as an important factor in the family background, but there is no evidence I know of that he had a direct influence in the case cited. I will leave you to fill out the details in Australia, but may interject the odd point if it adds anything I am not in a position to make a sophisticated analysis of Edmund's work, but it looks pretty good to me. As far as the family in England was concerned, apparently, Edmund was the "black sheep" who married the wrong woman and was packed off to Australia by his uncompromising father! Such is life Motmit 07:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. You found, as I did, that the only Google reference to the cloth is on a copy of an incorrect Blacket ancestry chart drawing on the same original source. I suggest referencing it in the footnote or else someone else will come along and stick it back in, and the nice thing about Wiki is it enables us to put the record right (and point out where sources are wrong and why). That ancestry chart, by the way, is based on unsound genealogy by the said NVH and the link back to Alfred the Great is totally spurious. I am glad you have got access to the original material in Australia (including presumably the ship's log from which I added some relevant items - looking at Salvador there were certainly plenty of church doors). Activities around 1841 need clarification - his Whitby Abbey sketches must have been on a visit to Sarah, as the census can't be wrong. I was pleased with the Ord reference I found as it explained everything which was a bit of a mystery about Stokesley before. Keep up the good work Motmit 11:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

DaVinci
I agree to the "modern day Italy" and "Vinci Florence", but the Italian term is nonesense. I am an "Italian" from Lombardy, and whatever my fellow countrymen consider him is secondary because we dont own Leonardo daVinci. So we, (whoever those italians were that you referred to) cant imply and change someones origins. Of course he is Italian, and i left Italian in Bracketts, but in first line he is a Tuscan, he came from the Tuscany region, born and grew up in a Tuscan duchy (florence) and that is important, because the circumstances and education was different in Tuscany than elsewhere in Italy or europe. Its no coincidence that DaVinci came from Tuscany with so many other Artists and Scientist from that period. Tuscany is (like all other regions of italy) unique, and has its own (like all other regions of italy) identity, and this should not be forgotten.

As for the "Nationality: Italian", thats total nonsense, and i dont think i have to explain this. (talk • contribs) 14:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thats not necessary, becuse there is nothing wrong or controversial by stating that DaVinci was a Tuscan (Italian). Nobody disputes that DaVinci was a Tuscan, and nobody disputes that Tuscans are Italians. Tuscans are Italians and DaVinci was a tuscan. Are you saying he wasnt a Tuscan? or it needs to be checked wether he was a Tuscan?, i dont understand what the big problem is. He was a Tuscan and whats the problem with stating that he was a Tuscan?talk —Preceding comment was added at 14:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)