User talk:Anna Comnena

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Names
AnnaFabiano, i agree with your edit in Đakovica article, but just inform you that you must use common names of the articles. That include Kosovo (not Kosova) and Đakovica (not Gjakova). We must stay in NPOV. All best, Tadija (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, there are no need for discussion deletion. That is considered rude and unappropriated. You can make archive page if you want, but don't delete discussion page any more. All best, Tadija (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the discussion deletion thing. I did not want to write that to you it was a mistake. So, sorry :)! And, I do not remember where did I use Kosova and Gjakova? (Was that on the picture caption?) AnnaFabiano (talk) 21:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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Albanian nationalism
Hi Anna! I appreciate your good intentions with this article, but I think you have to handle Megistias a little more delicately. Megistias is doing a lot of heavy-lifting on an article still very much under development, and from his perspective seems to take abrupt criticism, particularly over a range of issues, as a personal attack. This is why I am trying to focus matters on one issue at a time, so that he can better understand where you are coming from with your constructively intended criticisms. I agree that having that bald statement about criminals is overly provocative (especially when it has not yet been developed in the text), so I have moved it to where I think it should probably go, and have commented it out for the time being. (BTW, it was Megistias who moved it out of the lead.)

I really want to resolve the issue of the terminology in the lead, because this is necessary and fundamental to the article, and because it will need to be further developed in the text. Could you see what you can come up with regarding how synonymous the three terms really are (and allowing that such things can diverge over time). Breaking it up into a definition of each per a reliable source may make it easier for Megistias to see what he agrees with and thus narrow the problem down to what he disagrees with so that he can focus on discussing that, rather than throwing up his hands. Thanks in advance – and please do keep up your good efforts on this article. Askari Mark (Talk) 22:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * We appreciate your help Askari! We have collaborated on a number of articles with Magistias (since our interests seem to be similar), and I noticed his over-sensitiveness, although we never had problems earlier. I usually try to resolve problems without conflict but this time he (and maybe me too!) lost his temper and was refusing every suggestion. This article is actually new, it was created (with similar content) 5 days ago by Magistias. I personally, have started to have my doubts about it, since there is no similar article on other ethnicities on the Balkans, although they have similar backgrounds. See Megali Idea and Načertanije. However I will go with the flow for the moment and see where is this heading. Thanks again! AnnaFabiano (talk) 22:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * One of the good things about Wikipedia not being paper is that we can rename, restructure, merge, and otherwise evolve our articles. Your merge proposal is not without some merit, but I think we at least have to permit a full draft to be developed.  Megistias has, I think, a clear idea of what he wants it to be.  When he gets there, we can consider the matter further, if it still seems relevant.  But I fully understand the creative writing urge and how frustrating it can be to be interrupted by helpful people who have yet to see the "big picture" – which is why I do my initial drafts offline or in a user subpage. Askari Mark (Talk) 23:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely get you! Thanks again for your contribution, you are being more than helpful! AnnaFabiano (talk) 23:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I replied to some of Askari questions here. You may copy paste them to article talk page if necessary. Thank you for collaboration. Appreciatively Aigest (talk) 08:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I believe so. I have defined some of the English terms in related topic according to their use. As it is not a standard thing the Albanianism word has different meanings in English, while in Albanian just one. Hope all this work and spent hours will not become fruitless. Bests Aigest (talk) 10:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but can you post me the RfC link, I couldn't find it:) Bests Aigest (talk) 11:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Here you go. I think we will have to organize this Talk page better. :) —AnnaFabiano (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha, seeing all the stuff at once and the hot debate yeah I missed that section. :) Aigest (talk) 12:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what to say. Being in wiki for quite some time I can see that pattern especially in Albanian related articles. However we should keep in mind that none of us is NPOV because of our nature and education, it depends on what you have been taught to and what you have read during your life. Since there are many publications and many propaganda in historical topics there are always hot debates in wiki, while this does not generally happen in scientific related articles. What is truth for me for the other guy maybe is a lie and viceversa. This kind of issue is common in in the Balkan related articles, that's why WP:ARBMAC decision has been put in force. If you feel that any editor Albanian, Greek or of whatever nationality goes against that line, in any article you participate you can always follow wiki rules and denounce their actions to administrators. Aigest (talk) 12:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

RFC behaviour
When running an RFC, it helps to pose a clear question, link to diffs of the article, or to specific sections. After you've set it up, you should leave that section of the talk page alone. Its fine to continue talking on other sections of the talk page, but you should leave the RFC section alone, so that any RFC editors you attract won't feel intimidated by line-by-line replies to their commentary. Towards the end of the RFC, either if obvious consensus emerges, or if there are two or three main streams of thought, then maybe you can sum up your impression of what the RFC meant. Don't sweat it. With a contested issue like Albanian nationalism, external comment might be useful every couple of months until the article settles down. Fifelfoo (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * But the RfC section is a mess now, what can I do? —Anna Comnena (talk) 22:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Srbica
Is this better? Cirilic is not first any more. But Srbica must be first, just look other articles. It is common. Tadija (talk) 20:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * But that is pointless, to divide like that, it is just Serbian language, and Albanian language. In Serbian language official is both latin and cyrillic, so there are no need for that kind of partition. Tadija (talk) 09:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please dont invite new rules. What is problem now? Those are identical??


 * Kosovo (Kosova, Kosovë; Косово or Косово и Метохија, Kosovo or Kosovo i Metohija
 * Srbica or Skënderaj (Skënderaj; Србица, Srbica)


 * So, even on Srbica article you have skenderaj in the lead. Stop, please! Tadija (talk) 12:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You dont understand me. This (Србица, Srbica) goes together. It must go like that! Both of that is offical.
 * That is for now,
 * International/Albanian
 * Србица, Srbica/Skënderaj


 * Please, read Wiki naming convention rules. Tadija (talk) 13:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

UN
AnnaFabiano, you are apparently new on Wikipedia. That regulation is following United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, so, if we follow that resolution, Kosovo is integral part of Serbia, and there are no Republic of Kosovo. At the end, that you have just found is just list of places, in Albanian, and Serbian, by alphabet. That regulation is from 2000, and we ALL know about that, and that source is nothing for your POV pushing. I prompt you to STOP with your unneeded edits, or i will report you. You cannot change month's of discussion, by one poor list. STOP. Tadija (talk) 19:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You are probably misinformed, UN 1244 has been reconfigured Read. "Mr. Ban said that the reconfiguration of UNMIK, for which he called in response to the “profoundly changed reality” on the ground". And I will report you, if you continue to rv. —Anna Comnena (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there. It is better to have the discussion on your page or mine as this is a wider issue affecting not only this article but many. I did not revert all your edits. The first one was good and is in place; but the historical accuracy on placenames does contain codified policy. For example, we don't use München for Munich. We use the English. Regarding the Kosovan capital, the standard is to use Pristina and not the Albanian or Serbian. I can send you some examples if you wish. Evlekis (talk) 15:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Quick message, if you have read the talk page on the article, it had been discussed as far back as 2006. You're not by any chance associated with Mig11 are you? Just asking, not making accusations. Evlekis (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarification. I am trying to lobby on this naming issue. I think a real consensus would be to use names as used in English (eg Djakovica instead of Đakovica) but this does not seem to be the case. I saw there was a huge debate on this earlier, but that does not mean that it should not be re-actualized. (BTW, No I do not know Mig11 - and don't worry about accusing me of anything, I do not like those whiny Wikipedians who complain about everything).
 * About using the name, It is far more informative to use the name Kosovo (not Kingdom of Slavs nor Republic of Kosovo) as it tends to confuse people. It is much easier for readers. Also, from an Albanian perspective (my perspective) that version looks a bit tendentious, not that I am accusing anyone of anything :)! Would it be a problem if the debate would continue here? —Anna Comnena (talk) 16:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at all, the debate can take place where you choose! The first problem is that Kosovo with its current situation is all too complicated to simply use the term freely and individually. It is usually followed by a standard footnote linking readers to the bottom of the page where the scenario is better explained. The need for historical accuracy on the other hand is as important as giving the date of birth itself; the two go together. For this reason, Mother Teresa was born in the Ottoman Empire, people born in Zadar or Istria during the interwar period are subjects of the Kingdom of Italy; Vojvodina before 1918 (internationally 1919) was Austria-Hungary; persons born in Africa (with the exception of Ethiopia) have their countries of birth listed as the empire to which the territory belonged. All it needs is a simple wikification, the lovely Blue Link, and the reader will be instantly enlightened. Your best solution is to give the additional material for the modern-day situation, though in Pagarusha's case, it has already taken effect - today's Kosovo. For better examples, see: Andrius Kubilius, Josip Broz Tito, Nicolau dos Reis Lobato and Vuk Stefanović Karadžić; the latter for birth and death. I hope this will help you to see why it is better to observe historical accuracy and that it is a policy. Evlekis (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

As for the preference for Albanian names on Kosovo settlements over Serbian; the first step in your task must be to propose moves. Once Đakovica is directed to Gjakova, we can all start using Gjakova in normal situations (only using Đakovica for anything concerning the period between 1912 and 2008). Evlekis (talk) 17:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your detailed reply, Elvekis. In the links you posted, I can see your point. However
 * "...near Loznica in Serbia, which was then still a part of the Turkish Empire...",
 * "...born in Kumrovec, in the small region of Hrvatsko Zagorje in Croatia. Then it was Croatia-Slavonia, a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire..."
 * I think this shows clearly what you pointed out. So I would agree if Nexhmije Pagarusha would go in the same direction. It would bake a difference if it would be Kosovo first and Kingdom of Slavs in brackets. Something like "...near the town of Mališevo, Kosovo (then Kingdom of Yugoslavia)..." What do you say?
 * Also, thanks for Gjakova tip. —Anna Comnena (talk) 18:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Good, I'm glad we're getting closer to a solution on all things. Obviously standards themselves can subdivide into variations, and as long as the country of birth is given to reflect historical accuracy then there is no problem with the actual order, for example: born in Vilnius, Lithuania, in 1963 (then Lithuanian SSR, Soviet Union). What you need to be careful of is not to mix the two concepts, then and now must be kept apart to prevent ambiguity or misinformation. Perhaps you know more about Kosovo than me, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know to what extent we can use Kosovo on the historical part of Pagarusha's birth details; firstly, Kosovo had no significance beyond internal geographical subdivision between 1912 and 1946 (except during WWII but we are discussing 1933 here); and secondly, the Kosovo of the kingdom (1912-46) was only one section of its former body (1881-1912) with the other parts forming equal geographical regions (eg. Zvečan). For this reason, we don't usually mention Kosovo for the interwar period. Either way, are you sure that Mališevo was definitely in Kosovo during that time, or might it have been in one of the other former Kosovan lands? As I said, not being an expert, I am not 100% sure. Maps are hard to find. Evlekis (talk) 10:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think this is the tricky part about history. It can be written and re-written. Kosovo was part of the Ottoman Empire before it got incoorporated into Serbia (part of Kingdom of Yugoslavia). Here is a map provided by WP, but this is something that can be found redundantly. Malisevo (ironically) is in the middle of what is NOW Kosovo but also of what was THEN. Mentioning Kosovo as a territory in every period, I think, is not a mistake in any case (even if you are FOR or AGAINST the independence - which in Kosovo's case gives an extra complexity). It seems it is what each of us learned in schools and what is mainstream in our own communities that makes editing in Wikipedia so difficult. It is hard to maintain NPOV because of that. For example I learned that Kosovo was always only inhabited by Albanians. I know that is not true. But also it was common among Slavic schooling system to learn that Kosovo was always inhabited only by Serbs and Slavs. And when scientists try to explain that Serbs and Albanians co-existed in what were territories ruled mainly by tribes (that got incorporated from one principality to another), and national identity was non-existent (or at least not important) to people back than, no one accepts it. People like myths. For us, an important contribution in Wikipedia is to de-mythologize history. Sorry for this long comment. Thanks again for debating in such a civilized manner! —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No that's all right. Don't worry how long your response is; trim it after writing it if you can but it is more important that you deliver every part of your message. I know Mališevo to be central, I also know it to have served as a local capital during the 1990-1999 period at a time when security forces of the FRY had been driven out by KLA units. What is lacking for 1933 is the significance of Kosovo itself. To give you a better example, one born in Zlatarista (Bulgaria) will only be given as Zlatarista, Bulgaria but you could add Oblast Veliko Tarnovo, Central Bulgarian Statistical Region before the country. You don't even need that much information when sending post! Anyhow, I like your good intentions that we need to expel myths on WP. Unfortunately, it is not why the site exists and that sort of thing is discouraged; in addition, it will never work. Conflicting parties always have blocks of evidence to demonstrate that they are right and that the other is wrong. There is nothing anybody can do here to expose traditional sentiment as unfounded or incorrect. Kosovo as both a name and a land is of significance to three modern-day nations for a variety of reasons concerning all three: they are the Albanians, the Serbs and the Turks. Reasons stretch from being former rulers to maintaining a significant presence; populations have decreased and increased and decreased again throughout generations, and so on. Nobody can sensibly argue that one of those nations has a greater purpose to control the land than the other two. The reality is that one fights to win. Fighting itself can take many forms: getting someone to do it for you, or being clever on the negotiating table. In the end there is one victor, just like in previous centuries. As for WP, our task as editors is not so much to expel myths but to state why such a nation believes its case to be veritable (by giving sources) and why the opponent feels the same about itself (again by adding sources). Individuals who read these points in turn will make their own decisions. Anyhow, going back to what we were saying, what do you propose for Pagarusha? Evlekis (talk) 19:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the first problem is, that even if you and me come to agreement, there is a probability that someone else will come and change it. Nevertheless, Kosovo, Prizren in particular was the main center of Albanian nationalism, so it was a really important part of the world at that time. In a way, not putting it first (though maybe is a small difference) could be considered POV by one side. Because it diminishes Kosovo's value as a territory and in a way it implies that it was only formed recently (which of course is not the case). And putting it first could be in a way acceptance of Kosovo's independence. I think we should go with Malisevo, Kosovo (then part of Kingdom of Yugoslavia) as a consensus as then part of...' does not imply to any one of the places (Malisevo, Kosovo) so it can be understood either way (by both parties). What do you think? —Anna Comnena (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I agree.Alexikoua (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I am fine with any suggestion as long as historical accuracy is observed; in other words, I am less concerned about modern day inclusions though that does not mean I oppose them. It is not true that placing something last diminishes its significance as a state. That cannot happen. If you care to examine some typical Kosovan Albanian nationals (such as this: 1), you'll see that the presentation is little different from articles of persons past and present (such as this: 1). The essential thing when presenting Kosovo as a sovereign body is to add the footnote. I'll tidy the Pagarusha details to show you. Let me know what you think. Evlekis (talk) 14:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that Fatmir Sejdiu looks very fine. He was born in Kosovo, then part of Yugoslavia. That could serve as a model. As for Mother Teresa, that for me is not a very good example. I think it is a bit biased. Skopje, Macedonia (then part of the Ottoman Empire) would be better, as you can see here that sparked some discussion. As for the footnote, is that a WP regulation of some kind? Looking forward on your version of Pagarusha. —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:41, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Albanians
Hi. I just want to make sure you set yourself realistic targets. Illyrian and Dacian and Thracian are maybe 1, 2, or 3 dialects or languages. Nobody knows. Concerning which is the most likely ancestor of Albanian therefore, it is even more uncertain. The Wikipedia article should reflect something of that uncertainty. And please do not start a debate about which theory should be discussed first in such case.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe I did not follow the most recent discussion enough before posting. I was really mainly commenting on your first comment. Hope that makes sense.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Result of your 3RR complaint
Please see the result. Both parties are warned not to keep reverting. Get support from at least one other person before making your change again. Blocks may be issued if the war continues. EdJohnston (talk) 14:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gani Bobi


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 * appears to fail WP:GNG

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Signature
While you sign as Anna Comnena, your actual user name is User:AnnaFabiano. This has the potential of confusing people. (I thought there were two of you). Since the name Anna Comnena is available, why not ask for your account to be renamed? EdJohnston (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll look on Alb. nat. lead tommorow, there are 2-3 points that need to be negotiated.Alexikoua (talk) 19:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Keshille
Mos thuaj "pajtohem" kot pa kuptim. Ata te 2 kete donin te hiqet qe Suliotet ishin Came. E kupton? Mos e perserit kete gabim. --Kreshnik25 (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Kreshnik, në tekst thuhet që suliotët ishin çamë. The Souliotes originally spoke their own sub-branch of Cham Albanian dialect, vëre fokusin në their own. Nuk mendoj që është humbur diçka prej identitetit shqiptar të Suliotëve. Fundi i fundit, ky ndryshim mund të jetë i përkohshëm, nëse ti insiston mund të ndryshohet. BTW, other editors tend to see not speaking in English as lack of respect. —Anna Comnena (talk) 22:31, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Une do ta fus dhe shikojme. Me ty bisedoj, sbisedoj me te tjeret. Kur flas me ata flas anglisht.--Kreshnik25 (talk) 22:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Mirë, nëse nuk u pengon të tjerëve nuk më pengon as mua. :) Unë gëzohem që je kaq këmbëngulës, sepse ka nevojë për një gjë të tillë në mesin e editorëve shqiptar. Mos u ngut, ka kohë dhe ka shumë faqe të tjera që duhet edituar. Me kombinimin e njohurive tona me siguri do të arrijmë që të ndërtojmë informata neutrale - sepse disa anojnë ngapak. Megjithatë do thoja të flisnim në anglisht. Tregojmë më shumë respekt. Tung! —Anna Comnena (talk) 23:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Problemi kryesor është që Taskforce Albania ska shumë anetarë aktivë, që të merren me artikujt. OK, anglisht tani.--Kreshnik25 (talk) 09:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * . Ky duket si Tadija ose si ai tjetri Pagliacoknows. Di si te besh report?--Kreshnik25 (talk) 14:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

source falsification
Excuse me, but the source you added in Albania (13 minutes after I placed the tag) says nothing about Christianity having to compete with Illyrian paganism until the middle ages. Nothing at all. So please remove it until you find an actual source, or else change the sentence. --Athenean (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That reference shows that paganism was still present at that time. You can change the sentence formulation (if other editors agree of course), or you can request for references that show that Christianity was present in Albania during middle ages. —Anna Comnena (talk) 22:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I would request that you provide references that show Illyrian paganism was present in Albania during the Middle Ages, since that is what you are claiming in the article. --Athenean (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Naming dispute: Gjakova vs. Dakovica
Anna, maybe WP:Naming conflict can help on solving the naming dispute of Gjakova vs. Dakovica. I'm going to cite some points from that page:


 * "If a native name has a common English-language equivalent, the English version takes precedence (e.g. Munich rather than München; China rather than Zhōngguó)."
 * "If the name is a self-identifying term for the entity involved and there is no common English equivalent, use the name that the entity has adopted to describe itself."

In Pristina's case for example, there is an anglicised name for it (Pristina, Prishtina, Priština) but in the dispute of Gjakova vs. Dakovica, there is no anglicised name for it (Gjakova being an Albanian name; Dakovica being a Slavic/Serbian name; none of them have any meaning in English). So, the point "use the name that the entity has adopted to describe itself" comes to play. And, to date, the name that the entity has adopted to describe itself is the Albanian name Gjakova (by being predominantly populated by Albanians and also being governed by them).

Thank you.  kedadi al  02:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * That´s completely POV. Find an English geographic enciclopedia and see if there you can find "Gjakova". I don´t defend any, but your theory is completely invented.

Just for my curiosity
I know that curiosity killed the cat, but since I noticed the changing of your name and I understand you are an Albanian I would interested to know if there is an Albanian link with Anna Komnene. I don't have any problem with the using of the name, I just wondering about that for weeks and although I searched it, I found nothing in relate. Sorry for asking, regards, --Factuarius (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Shall we make a move and push for all Kosvovar cities to be moved to their rightfull names instead of the Serb irredentist ones? Time to be democractic and neutral and to put an end to the Serb domination of Kosova articles. I have followed silently for some time the stuff on Talk:Kosovo and am in favour of a single ROK infobox too. Serb nationalists like Dbachmann will continue to fight against it but with a concensus we can overcome it. We can get Kedadi's help too, and some others. Lover Of Democracy (talk) 14:12, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

It is indeed a great name and since you like it you should open the soonest an original account with that name in order to preserve it from being taken by another user. About your question, Ι don't mind either but I would prefer to tell you (together with some other things) by mail if this is not embarrassing. Unfortunately I couldn't find any in your user page so you can use mine if you don't want to give one in plain here. Regards, --Factuarius (talk) 10:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

FkpCascais
Thanx, but... what´s that having to do with me? FkpCascais (talk) 21:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I've sent you my answer to your mail. Regards, --Factuarius (talk) 07:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Maximilian Peyfuss, that is the most credible source for the printing press of Moscopole, shows how the hypothesis on two Gregory's has no scientific backing. Anna Comnena (talk) 22:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Naming of Kosovan settlements
You remember I told you recently that the best course of action to take if wishing to list Kosovan settlements by their Albanian names was to have the pages moved? You need to realise that this is a step by step project and you will never have an overnight change in policy. It is quite possible that for various reasons, half the towns keep their Serbian name and the other half Albanian. It all depends on naming convention stipulations and external sources. Anyhow, I feel that there is one which could certainly be moved. I am 100% that Mitrovica is certainly used far more than Kosovska Mitrovica - but beware - not Mitrovicë. It is a step in the direction you have been facing for some time. And I will support this proposal because this is how the BBC and other world news report it. It is the "northern Kosovan town of Mitrovica" without the Serbian adjective. Would you be happy to go ahead with this thought? Evlekis (talk) 08:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your support. I think Pec, Mitrovica, Srbica and Malisevo should be redirected. But as you said it should go step by step. —Anna Comnena (talk) 10:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the first one to change is Gjakova as per your note in the talk page of Gjakova. To your arguments would also add this Naming_conventions_(use_English) which quotes:

It can happen that an otherwise notable topic has not yet received much attention in the English-speaking world, so that there are too few English sources to constitute an established usage. Very low google counts can but need not be indicative of this. If this happens, follow the conventions of the language in which the entity is most often talked about (German for German politicians, Turkish for Turkish rivers, Portuguese for Brazilian towns etc.).

If, as will happen, there are several competing foreign terms, a neutral one is often best. For example see the suggestions in the sections "multiple local names" and "use modern names" in WP:NC (geographic names) for ideas on how to deal with this problem.


 * Now I am banned from talking in Kosovo related articles or talk pages, so this is why I entered your talk page. Best! sulmues (sulmues)--Sulmues 23:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

in other news ...
If you haven't heard yet, Tadija has been blocked for two weeks because of sock puppetry (User:Pagliaccioknows, User:AntoniusPrimus and User:89.216.192.29).  kedadi al  16:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Albania
Hi Anna, how are you doing?

I'm about to start a public watchlist for WikiProject Albania, just like WikiProject Kosovo public watchlist (Recent Changes), to make it easier to track things down. Basically, there has to be listed every single article that has to do something with Albania.

It's probably going to be a hell of a job and I would really appreciate your help on that direction. So, let me know if you are up to it.

Thank you.  kedadi al  04:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

New messages at User talk:SMC
SMC (talk) 12:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Friend request
Ç'kemi! Jam i ri te Wikipedia, nuk njoh asnjë këtu. --Guildenrich 17:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guildenrich (talk • contribs)

Accusing experienced editors like User:Dbachmann that just try to help a situation, simple weakens your arguments. What was really annoying on my edit? I mean your statement was quiet clear and I made my conclusion on that.Alexikoua (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, from what I saw, WP is not a fraternity. If I see something that looks disturbing (to me), I ask for advice - to be sure I am not only paranoid. People complained to me about dab, I also saw other ex-admins that complained. But what is really disturbing is your 'research'. If you see anything that looks suspicious about me, please go ahead and seek advice, or create a RfC... On the other hand, why would I tell you what to do, you are an experienced editor, do whatever you want. —Anna Comnena (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * If by chance you're referring to Anna having contacted me, she never explicitly accused Dbachmann of anything, but instead wanted a neutral, uninvolved third-opinion, which is a perfectly valid step in the dispute resolution process. I was personally somewhat concerned by Dbachmann's seemingly negative attitude towards discussion on an article which is currently on ArbCom probation. It doesn't matter how tough the discussion is or who the "opponents" are, nobody (especially not a sysop) should react in such an unconstructive manner in the middle of a discussion of topics which are apparently (note: ArbCom probation!) in such great contention. SMC (talk) 08:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * How about informing me of this Anna? It would be polite. No_original_research/Noticeboard#WP:Synth_on_Albanian_nationalism.Megistias (talk) 22:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, I am really sorry for not being polite. But you did not show not even a slight interest what my angle was. I warned you about your heavy editing in Albanian nationalism, as I was and still am very disappointed with that article. I raised the issue on so many noticeboards and RfC's, I barely even remember. —Anna Comnena (talk) 23:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As it is shown there you havent even read the article fully, you raised points that the article has already answered.Megistias (talk) 23:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Megistias, arguing with you never got me anywhere. I know I should assume good faith, but really, did you ever, ever read any of my arguments or complains? —Anna Comnena (talk) 23:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, could you help me clean this up? The Albanians in Medieval Epirus. User:Guildenrich aka --79.106.109.30 (talk) 11:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Marvelous. I take it then I will have your full backing on the switchover. Lover Of Democracy (talk) 08:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Peja has been sorted out. The Kosovo infobox is fixed and all is on it's way. The Serb nationalists have had it. Lover Of Democracy (talk) 09:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You should check on the "Greater Albania" redirect of "Albanian Genocide", the whole thing is ... I don't know what to say. If you need any source, I'll hand them over to you.--Guildenrich 20:09, 11 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guildenrich (talk • contribs)

New messages at User talk:SMC
SMC (talk) 09:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Hallo there, I've discussed the minorities issue with several Albanian users in the past, but it seems that sources are contradicting eachother. For example, in Greater Albania, the Greek border regions have an '?' sign.Alexikoua (talk) 09:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Recent vandalism on Kosovo-related articles
Anna, as you probably know, User:Tadija has been blocked and still is, but recently I suspect that that user is using IP addresses instead of a user. Some IP addresses: 89.216.192.29, 89.216.206.19, 89.216.196.107, 89.216.200.163 and so on. This IP address (89.216.192.29) has been user in the past by User:Tadija when he got blocked and I marked that IP address as a sock, and this is the proof that he is using another IP address to hide that fact. What do you think, should we report him again? Thank you.  kedadi al  21:40, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Is he doing any harm? Nevertheless, you could definitely report him, but of course you have solid proof of his vandalism? —Anna Comnena (talk) 08:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Reported him and he took another block for a month.  kedadi al  10:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Great. It is interesting how people are driven by nationalistic memes. —Anna Comnena (talk) 11:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry Anna, didn't get your point.  kedadi al  12:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I was talking about this Tadija guy. I had a couple of encounters with him... :) —Anna Comnena (talk) 12:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Zdravo
Zdravo Ana. Vidim da tečno govoriš srpski pa ti se obraćam na srpskom, ali mogu i na engleskom ako više voliš. Ja sam Damjan iz beogradskog predgrađa Resnika. Autor sam članka o Albanofobiji na srpskoj Vikipediji, koji su brisali i cenzurisali. Isti članak sam postavio i na srpsko-hrvatsku Vikipediju, koja ima otvoreniju uređivačku politiku, i tamo stoji integralna verzija. Zatim sam rešio da postavim članak i na englesku wiki, ali videh da si me preduhitrila i to za samo 4 dana;)

U svakom slučaju, reših da te kontaktiram jer često pišem o srpsko-albanskim temama, pa mi je ponekad potreban prevod sa albanskog. Ukoliko si raspoložena za pomoć i saradnju oko nekih članaka samo javi. Lep pozdrav! --Mladifilozof (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Zdravo Damjane. Ipak pricam i pisem na engleski znatno bolje nego na srpski. Ali ako je za tebe lakse nema problema. Ja sam srećna sto jos neko ima interes u Albanofobiji. Bilo bi fenomenalno da zajedno pisemo o ovoj temi. Ja sada citam knjigu Ivo Banaca o pocetku albanofobije (iako tu rec on ne upotrebljava bas cesto) u Srbiji. Treba mi malo vreme da sve to planiram. Ali mozda mozemo da se organizujemo bolje. Na primer, ja mogu da se fokusiram u albanofobiji u Grckoj i Italiji, a ti bi mogao u Srbiji i Makedoniji. Ili svejedno... Momentalno tekstu bi trebalo malo redaktura (posebno taj deo o ksenofobiji i nacionalizmu). Vidim da u srbo-hrvatskom ima mnogo materiala, a to bi mogli da prevedemu i u engleskom i albanskom. Hvala puno! —Anna Comnena (talk) 08:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Moj problem je što ne znam engleski toliko dobro da bih mogao da pišem na njemu. Ali sasvim dobro ga razumem tako da mi možeš pisati na engleskom ukoliko ti je lakše. Ja već neko vreme istražujem pojavu albanofobije u Srbiji i oslanjam se uglavnom na Dimitrija Tucovića. O tome sam već dosta napisao na sh wiki, pa možeš prevesti na engleski. Ja ću prevesti odeljke o Grčkoj i Italiji na srpski jezik kada budu još malo prošireni. Inače, nisam čuo za Ivo Banaca pa te molim da mi daš pun naziv njegove knjige. Svako dobro! --Mladifilozof (talk) 12:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Here, this book, from page 291. He is also citing Dimitrije Tucović. —Anna Comnena (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Pogledaj ove članke, možda nađeš nešto korisno za prevođenje:
 * Srpska okupacija Albanije
 * Zločini nad Albancima u Balkanskim ratovima


 * Hm, super. Treba da prevodim i to i vise materiala za Albanofobiju (imacu problema). —Anna Comnena (talk) 20:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Probaj da koristiš Google translate, ja sam probao ovih dana, nije loš, uštedi dosta vremena. Inače, imam jedan zanimljiv članak, voleo bih da ga prevedem na engleski kad završim: Pozdrav! --Mladifilozof (talk) 04:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Srpsko-albansko prijateljstvo

Town names
I certainly don't want you to feel that I was trying to insult you. Nationalism is not necessarily bad; whether it is good or bad depends on what you do with it. It can be used to build bridges or to burn books. As a Marine I was part of Operation Allied Force and KFOR in 1999, and from what I saw I think Kosovo has earned the right to some constructive nationalism. I don't think arguing about the titles of Wikipedia articles is the most productive use of your independence, but I suppose there are worse things you could be doing.

Still, I encourage you to find some unrelated articles to work on in addition to these. As far as I can see, you haven't edited a single neutral article since you started here. Why not expand your horizons? Surely you know about something other than Albanians, Serbs, Greeks, etc. Editing Wikipedia should be fun, not a constant battle. Kafziel Complaint Department 19:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your concern Kafziel. I started contributing on articles related to art, design and typography... actually I have made quite some edits and created new articles related... Norm typography, Shyqri Nimani, Albanian comics ect. But I got kinda hooked on Albanian related articles since my experience with Albanian nationalism article a month ago. I believe that there is no balance in users who edit these articles and that is why sometimes WP:OR and WP:TE appear. I might sound a bit nationalistic, but what I really am, is paranoid. From what I'v seen I need to be a little extreme in order to achieve balance. Though, planing to calm down a little and contribute on typography and similar articles sounds is part of my plans. Thanks again for your concern. —Anna Comnena (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re, Kos/Srb issues
Hi Anna. Thanx for responding me after my, not so nice, way of trying to make a point to you. It´s nice to see that despite all the differences and points of view, we can have an opportunuity to discuss it here. If in the past there was an open dialogue may not have happend all the sad things that occured in "our" region. But, I do think that many of you and your countryman, specially younger generation, don´t know that in your side the moderate line of thinking was completely silenced by the nationalists. In Serbia, I recon, also happend the same, but I still think many more moderates did survive in "my" side. I can´t ignore the feeling of injustice when I remember the way your countryman wached me when I spoke in Serbian when I was in Kosovo (late 80´s) and when I see all the Kosovar Albanians in central Belgrade having completely normal lifes hanging on with locals. What I find injust is that we get the image of hard nationalists and radicals... Since I see this Wikipedia is much used by young in the world, it is important the way things are written here, being the texts indirectly capable of influencing many minds. I do think that favouring the moderate thinking should be good for further development of reconciliation, but I also understand that the writting and re-writting of the past is our main "Balkanic" complex. It would be better for all of us if we concentrate in some kind of "Reconciliation taskforce" that would write about all good things that stayed in the shadow from the recent wars. But I understand that is exactly what the "dark" nationalists forces don´t want. If you want to know, I would really like to have the Kosovo status solved, even if complete independence. I would prefer it rather than this "status quo" that is delaying the development of both nations. P.S.: If you find your countryman who like football can yoiu adress them to me? Thanx for all and I apologise to you once again. Regards. FkpCascais (talk) 19:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No biggie. I know that there are people in Belgrade that are really cool and against all this nationalistic meme. Actually there is a (Serbian) friend from Belgrade that lives in Pristina now, she is really a close friend. On the other hand, there is a really (really) big propaganda in both places against each other. I can assure you, there are a lot of Serbian speaking people that live in Pristina that hang around here. People do not judge your nationality. People in Pristina are mainly cool/open minded/bohemian (However, I would not recommend anyone/Serb to go to Drenica. Even I cannot go there, if you are from the city they totally do not like you - unless you are from the west). I do know people here that like sports, but non of them like WP, sorry :). —Anna Comnena (talk) 11:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Invitation for the typeface collaboration
I hope you can contribute in this section. Happy editings! - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 21:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Invitation for the translation collaboration
Postavio sam članak Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan wars koji sam preveo uglavnom pomoću Google translate. Molim te da pogledaš da nema nekih gramatičkih grešaka. Unapred hvala. --Mladifilozof (talk) 03:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Chameria, to be merged with Cham Albanians. What do you think? Guildenrich (talk) 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please, take a look on Massacres of Albanians in the Kosovo War. First they wanted to delete it, and now they are trying to merged it.--Mladifilozof (talk) 15:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Founding father of albania being deleted
Anna hope all is well. Could you please help with keeping Azis Tahir Ajdonati, Rexhep Demi, Veli Gërra, and Jakup Veseli? by giving your contributions in:

Articles_for_deletion/Azis_Tahir Ajdonati

Articles_for_deletion/Rexhep Demi

Articles_for_deletion/Veli Gërra

Articles_for_deletion/Jakup Veseli

They will otherwise be deleted upon voting made by the outnumbering greek lobby. Thank you for your help!user:sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 15:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions!
I entered your name here. Hope that's ok with you. Best! --sulmues (talk) 04:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Albania change to Wikiproject
You might want to see this discussion that I started and give your opinion. Thank you for your contributions to the Albania Wikiproject! --sulmues talk contributions 11:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Albania TF
Hi. I deleted your name from WikiProject Europe/Albania/Participants, because it's now in WikiProject Albania/Members. The former will eventually redirect to the latter. You don't need to do anything, I'm just informing you of this change. -- Sulmues talk   14:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back, Anna
Welcome back aboard Anna. Cheers.  kedadi al  15:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I just didn't use my user. I was contributing continually. —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was glad to bring you back to the active members of WikiProject_Albania this morning. Please consider editing always logged. We truly need good contributors like you. --SulmuesLet's talk 12:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes we need good contributors like Anna. Welcome back.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 13:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback at WP Albania
--  S undefined ulmues (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Bardyllis
Sorry to say that but you actually have done a mess in the etymology section. The references (Krahe, Kretschmer, Mayer, Rosetti, Ivic, Demiraj) link Bardyllis with Alb Bardh and IE bhrHg and not with Albanian ''white-star. White star is a popular etymology just like claiming that Paskalin is explained as Alb Paska-lindur (have born) or Ana as (H)ana moon. That is what Mann is actually saying. He is not referring to the authors above but to the Albanian tradition. Plz rv yourself to the exact version. Aigest (talk) 14:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Aigest. I am trying to find a middle ground (did not get too deep into it). I will try and fix that. I believe that if there are sources that contradict something, both sides should be mentioned on the article, without leaning into any side. —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you be so kind to click on the sources themselves to see what actually they are saying? Popular etymology and linguists position are not related together in any form in this specific topic. Right now it looks like Mann is attacking Krahe, Kretschmer, Mayer, Rosetti, Ivic, Demiraj and other linguist work which is not really Mann intention, who is speaking only over popular tradition. Aigest (talk) 14:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand your concern. I think I fixed it now! —Anna Comnena (talk) 15:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Much better now. I am not sure about leaving aside IE root but we can leave as it is. Thank you for your understanding and efforts. Aigest (talk) 15:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Origin
Please don't OR on such things. That's not a pro or against argument.

Let me explain those who claim that Scodra shows an Albanian development Scodra-Shkodra maintain that the name of the city was passed from Illyrian-(Proto- Albanian)-Albanian without interferences. So Albanians have always lived around Scodra. Those who maintain that the Albanian form comes from Slavic Skadar-Shkoder claim that Albanians came after Slavs in the area from somewhere else. See Mallory, Adams, Cabej, Demiraj on pro arguments and Weigand or Georgiev on against arguments. Is that clear? Aigest (talk) 09:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Aigest. I really admire your work and efforts. Specially on Albanian related issues.
 * However, the argument against that I put forward only shows what Eric P Hamp has clearly explained in his work (that you can also read on the reference).
 * He is certain that Albanians came in the area around Shkodër around 300-400 AD, preceding Slavs. He also explains that Scodra follows an Albanian phonetic development. Please read his work. —Anna Comnena (talk) 17:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Hi Anna, I've read that article in English and Albanian also (a propos here the link to the book itself). Moreover I've read many other articles from Hamp, but that was not the point. Just try to understand the last sentence:


 * The origin of Albanians The origins of the Albanians cannot be separated from the problem of assigning their linguistic ancestors to one of the three main groups of the Balkans:Dacians, Thracians, or Illyrians. Although there are some lexical items that appear to be shared between Romanian (and by extension Dacian) and Albanian, by far the strongest connections can be argued between Albanian and Illyrian. The latter was attested in what is historically regarded as Albanian territory since our records of Illyrian occupation. The loanwords from Greek and Latin date back to before the Christian era and suggest that the ancestors of Albanian must have occupied Albania by then to have absorbed such loans from their historical neighbours. As the Illyrians occupied Albanian territory at this time, they are the most likely recipients of such loans. Finally as Shaban Demiraj argues the ancient Illyrian placenames of the region have achieved their current form through the natural application of the phonetic rules governing Albanian eg Durrachion>Alb Durrës(with Albanian initial accent) or Illyrian Aulona> Alb Vlonë`Vlorë (with Albanian rhotacism in Tosk) (page 11) Encyclopedia of Indo-European culture By J. P. Mallory, Douglas Q. Adams Edition: illustrated Published by Taylor & Francis, 1997 ISBN 1884964982, 9781884964985


 * What it means is that the historical names of Illyrian cities have followed Albanian phonetic rules=>Albanians were always there. An example would be that if Albanians were Dacians who came later let's say 300-400 AD, the names of Illyrian cities (which were noted since 6th century BC) would have been spelled different from the local (non-Albanian?!) population after 1000 years of use, but it seems that the city names (and other toponyms) have achieved their current form through the natural application of the phonetic rules governing Albanian. So there is an unbroken chain of Albanian phonetic rules which were applied to the names=>Albanians (Illyrian=ProtoAlbanians) were always in that area. Was I clear? Aigest (talk) 22:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Aigest, I really respect your devotion. And, be assured that I do not favor any idea on WP. Although, as I mentioned personally (outside WP) I lean towards Dacian-Illyrian mixture, something similar to Hamp. Hamp does not find that city names (which Cabej mentioned as most reliable names of the period) do not seem to have any explanation in Albanian (Scodra, Barbanna, Scardona), however after that, they do follow Albanian phonetic rules. This, in my opinion, is a strong argument on the hypothesis. Nevertheless, until we have strong evidence we cannot assert anything. —Anna Comnena (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Anna, you should read later works here also here of Hamp. There are difficulties in explaining old toponyms in all languages, even more in specific case because:
 * We don't have enough Illyrian data
 * Albanian has lost a lot of IE vocabulary during milleniums of foreign rule
 * but apart those above you should also know the cases of toponyms like Ulqin~Ulkin~Ulk (wolf) or Delmin~Delm (sheep) Dardani~Dardh (pear) or Dimal~Dimal(two mountains) etc and personal names like Bardyl~Bardh (white), Dassius~Dash (ram) etc sot I would advise you to read more on the topic before making substantial changes to the articles. Rgs Aigest (talk) 09:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Admin
That would be great, but seeing this practice, I guess I have too few edits to succeed. Aigest (talk) 14:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Gjurmet
I had to sort through hundreds of articles rating them so I may have come off a bit arbitrary. If you think it should be of higher importance, feel free to change it.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Made some edits myself. Please review. --Sulmuesi (talk) 19:25, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive wp:npa violations
I have warned you that labelling editors as 'disruptive' is disruptive itself. In case you repeat excessive wp:npa violations (your last is this []) a wp:ae will be inevitable.Alexikoua (talk) 18:57, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Alexikoua WP:NPA, which you quote is about personal commentary not editing.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk13:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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Reverting
In general before reverting we should check what excactly we revert. In the specific case from the number of Albanian immigrants (600k) we should exclude the number of ethnic Greek (Northern Epirotes) that now live in Greece (200k). Cheers!Alexikoua (talk) 20:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I find it very weird but it seems like someone misinforms you about me: for example I've never claimed that Skanderber was Greek, or why should be the second Megistias? (wp:spi is for this job) I really try hard on improving the quality of the project and its disampointing to see messages that I have personal obsessions against specific people. It would be really nice if we cooperate in a number of articles instead.Alexikoua (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Genetic Evidence on Albanian populations
''Hi, here I quote for you some interesting information regarding genetic studies in Albanians from the International Journal of Legal Medicine. Feel free to answer, comment or discuss through my Talk page whenever you want. Kindest regards.-''Periptero (talk) 11:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Y-chromosomes of Albanian populations (Ferri et al. 2010) This is a very important study as it shows (for the first time) some detail on Albanian populations. From a first reading of the evidence, we can say that:

•the Ghegs resemble Kosovar Albanians in having a higher frequency of E1b1b1. •Tosks on the other hand have a higher frequency of I. •The high J2 frequency resembles Greeks, with the expected 10 to 1 or so ratio between J2 and J1, and is dissimilar from northwestern Balkan populations. Past studies have shown however, that J2b is dominant in Albanian, rather than J2a which is dominant in most Greek populations tested so far (although J2b is also represented). •Similar frequencies to Greeks are also found in R1. •There is also a relative paucity of G compared to Greeks, and limited introgression of Gypsy chromosomes (H1) in the main Albanian groups (Gheg and Tosk).

International Journal of Legal Medicine DOI: 10.1007/s00414-010-0432-x

Y-STR variation in Albanian populations: implications on the match probabilities and the genetic legacy of the minority claiming an Egyptian descent

Gianmarco Ferri et al.

Y chromosome variation at 12 STR (the Powerplex® Y system core set) and 18 binary markers was investigated in two major (the Ghegs and the Tosks) and two minor (the Gabels and the Jevgs) populations from Albania (Southern Balkans). The large proportion of haplotypes shared within and between groups makes the Powerplex 12-locus set inadequate to ensure a suitable power of discrimination for the forensic practice. At least 85% of Y lineages in the Jevgs, the cultural minority claiming an Egyptian descent, turned out to be of either Roma or Balkan ancestry. They also showed unequivocal signs of a common genetic history with the Gabels, the other Albanian minority practising social and cultural Roma traditions.

Albanian nationalism
Don't make other reverts but ask for admin assistance because Alexikoua is changing even the word Kosovo to Kovoso during his reverts, with the content of which he isn't familiar. Also consider starting a RfC or a discussion at a related board.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 14:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Please make a self-revert because as with other Albanian users there is an outing attempt against you and you will be reported for edit-warring and blocked because of it.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 16:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help. They can try and report me, they have no case. No one can stop anyone in making justified changes otherwise it is considered WP:OWN. —Anna Comnena (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Anna make a self-revert please because you will probably get blocked. You may be right, but unfortunately if you don't self-revert it'll be a breach of 3RR. You are one of the few active editors, who edit Albanian-related topics so please do make that self-revert.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 16:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Please stay cool
As I see you have performed 5 reverts the last hours in Albanian nationalism. I suggest you stay cool and read wp:CALM. Also I believe you owe a senciere apology in the article's talk page (no matter if you were right or not).Alexikoua (talk) 17:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
5 reverts like that... no, I'm sorry. You can't do that.

Whether you were drawn into it by the actions of other users doesn't matter. You can't do that.

It's only a 24-hour block, though. And I've locked the article for a week.

I don't like blocking people, you know? DS (talk) 17:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Btw Anna I reported your breach of 3RR. I hope you understand that my motives are for your own benefit.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 17:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I trust this block could have been avoided, however if what I did is considered a revert than it was a deserved block. I will have to be more careful in future. Thanks!—Anna Comnena (talk) 19:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

outdated map
Please stop re-adding that outdated map in Albanians. It is from 1861, 150+ years old for crying out loud. I can understand that you like it because it shows half the Balkans as exclusively Albanian-speaking, but you know that's not true. I mean, we could just as easily add this map, that shows Greek being spoken north of Tirana, don't you think? Please be reasonable. The one map from 1898 is bad enough, we don't need more outdated maps. Athenean (talk) 20:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Blla Blla Blla


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Wikipedia-shq
Please respond to this discussion-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 18:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

"A Grammar of Modern Indo-European"
to give you a straightforward answer rather than discuss the merits of its author and his propositions about europe adopting a PIE koine...its content is lifted from wiki. merry christmas87.202.156.0 (talk) 15:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

thanx
hey comnena, thanx for interesting movie on reality... i also quit editing historical and political issues, because there is so much hate. i moved to philosophy and religious history. glad to hear you, wish you good! --Mladifilozof (talk) 23:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * also, i have heard blla blla blla and i like it:)--Mladifilozof (talk) 23:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

You are a militant atheist and a leftist. Congratulation!We have two things in common! Your German friend from Manila!(-: Juergen

PS.Take a look at Anton Dilger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.66.182 (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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Ok, it is good to add that part. But you don't have to remove the work of Trendafilou. Can you please bring it back with your addition to it? —Anna Comnena (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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 * The Mary Tyler Moore Show opening sequence
 * Can you document the font of the first title card of the The Mary Tyler Moore Show opening sequence ?

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Zdravo Anna :) vidim da uređuješ članke o Kosovu, pa sam mislio da nemaš mapu Drenice? Tražim svuda, ali nigde ne mogu da nađem. Pozdrav iz Zvečana :) Ookuninusi (talk) 06:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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The source says "Sipas censusit të vitit 2011, në territorin e bashkisë së re Tiranë banojnë 557,422 banorë, ndërsa sipas Regjistrit Civil banojnë 757,361 banorë." which clearly says that the census had 557,422 inhabitants. The civil registry on the other had is very problematic for Albania because it includes people who have left Albania and even many people who are actually dead, so it is not used as the main reference point for the population, the census is. I hope this clears it up. Vargmali (talk) 13:08, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * If you look at the census itself, you will see a clearer picture. It says 767,000 living in the Municipality, and arpund 540,000 living inside what ia considered the city, the urban area. It is a standard used everywhere, when talking about city populations. I believe the data on populati9n can be expanded and given with further details for the readers.

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 * Postmodernism among Albanians could be a very interesting article.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * That sounds great! When I find something related to Vrana Konti, I will put it there. As per postmodernism among Albanians, for now I am still keeping this project on pause. There was an Albanian movement—more specific in Kosovo—that was influenced by French postmodernism, and it left its mark also on arts. Deleuze, is having more an influence now than before in Albanian philosophy.   —Anna Comnena (talk)

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Agreed. I haven’t found the time for that until now, but I will have to do it. Thanks! —Anna Comnena (talk) 20:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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