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BBC Breakfast
I just wanted to explain the reasons I undid your edits last night. The main point was to keep the presenters table on the BBC Breakfast article in the same style as other BBC News tables. I would refer you to articles such as the BBC News at Six, GMT and PM to see how this style is used across a variety of articles. If you order presenters by year you end up sometimes with the anomaly occasional relief presenters being listed above the main presenter. Personally, I think that is not the most user-friendly way we can display information.

The established order used in these tables is: 1) Main presenter(s) 2) Deputy presenter (s) 3) Regular reliefs 4) Occasional reliefs

Not all of these categories apply to every article. Usually presenters within each section are ranked by frequency of their appearances. This may be alphabetical in some articles though.

In the BBC Breakfast table, it seems strange to place Kate Silverton above Charlie Stayt and Louise Minchin as she currently is only an occasional presenter (who hasn't actually presented from Salford yet). I don't think that puts across acurately the personalities you are likely to see on screen.

We have had quite a few problems with the presenters table in the BBC Breakfast article since the move to Salford with all the changes. The set-up of the table was the one agreed between the editors who had been making the initial changes. I will change the order of the table back to the format it was in before (fixing any small errors I can see) tomorrow, if I have not heard back from you. Please feel free to leave me a message if there is anything I have said which you fundamentally disagree with. For me, the most important thing is to keep the aricle in line with as many BBC News programmes as we can.

I have also placed this message on the BBC Breakfast talk page in case any other editors have any additional comments to make.

Best wishes Uvghifds (talk) 13:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey. :).Arsenalfan24 (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

America's Got Talent
Hello, On Wikipedia, lists go in chronological order (unless it's alphabetical), and that includes in the infobox. I did not notice that it was not correct. Thanks for pointing that out. I have corrected that as well.

Also, in the U.S., it's 'host' not 'presenter' -- and more importantly, that's how he's announced on the show. And please keep in mind that when you revert all that includes other editing done as well. Thank you. --Musdan77 (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't appreciate alterations to the infobox of which have not been discussed. If you actually look, present judges are always listed first then it goes in order of inactive judges in chronological order. It really is silly to display people who no longer contribute to the show first. Arsenalfan24 (talk) 19:16, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

NPOV
You seem to misunderstand or not understand NPOV - all of the statements in the lede of the Habbo article are simply factual representations of what RSs have said about the matter and have been covered by multiple RS. If you think any of the statements are not factual NPOV representations of what has been reported - which *specific* statement is problematical? The matter has been reported widely in the Guardian, on the BBC, in the Times, the independent. If we are adding in our own interpretation of what they had said then that would not represent NPOV and in actual fact your claims that Channel 4 is 'bias' is actually a NPOV because unless you can show otherwise, we consider Channel 4 to be an RS. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What are you on about? The lead is for information about Habbo, the company, the site or whatever, not about what Channel 4 has found out during its investigation. it is bias and does not emphasise neutrality at all. It's a report that shows Habbo in an entirely negative light, irrespective of the fact that the news report was meant to do that. If this was such a big issue, we would have kept the 'Controversies' section we used to have but now don't and if you read down the edits, you'll see why.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 16:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * No idea why you think Ledes are constructed in such a way - by your logic, Enron's lede would not contact the information it does, neither would Lehman Brothers or qnet or multiple other examples. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:32, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, ok I accept that. If it's too be included then, like the articles you've provided above, it should have a properly constructed sentence with a clear factual-base; use of the word 'allegation' suggests that it's just a claim and nothing more. I personally think it could be something like the following, but whatever you decide to do really. I do apologise for coming across as hostile though. My example would be the following: In June 2012, a two-month investigation by Channel Four News uncovered lapses in Habbo's online moderation, which subsequently led to the closure of Habbo Gift Cards by three major UK retailers, as well as stake withdrawals from two of the company's biggest investors.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 17:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Calm Down
Ok, Listen up, don't get all crazy with "DON'T WE", it's childish and quite frankly disrespectful. I was saying it in a polite manner unlike you. About the WP:CRYSTALBALL, no, I'm not wrong, take a look down that page where Tulisa said 2013 comeback, therefore it isn't Crystal as it's confirmed, you saying an unconfirmed release for 2012 is different and does break WP:CRYSTAL. Chatterbox2000 (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh right, and saying 'we all know that's not allowed now don't we' isn't childish and disrespectful? We don't really need silly sarcy comments do we.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 19:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, was just wondering if you could take a look at the talk page of the Eastleigh by-election, Bondegezou is trying to remove one of the reported polls, please read my argument and see what you think. Cheers.81.149.185.174 (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Tulisa Contostavlos. Thank you. McGeddon (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't mean that to be patronising, it was just that you'd written "Scotland Yard confirmed that a 24-year-old (Tulisa) and a 35-year-old (Mike GLC) had been arrested" when the only statement from Scotland Yard in the provided source was that they had "arrested two people, a 35-year-old man (A) and a 24-year-old woman (B)", without naming them (in fact, Scotland Yard still haven't confirmed the names, so far as I can see). I checked it out and added a BBC source after seeing the talk page comment. --McGeddon (talk) 15:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Kevin Rudd
Just letting you know an edit of yours at the Julia Gillard article has been reverted - Rudd has toppled Gillard as leader of parliamentary Labor party, but isn't yet prime minsiter - that is a separate step, and must be commissioned by the GG. May happen in the morning... hamiltonstone (talk) 11:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I never said he was Prime Minister, I just said she had confirmed she had stood down as Prime Minister, but it's ok anyway.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 11:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Apologies
Hi. No need at all to apologise! And thank you for your work. Simply, as long we have no information about the Cabinet, it's certainly best to wait. Particularly since it's hard to imagine Telavi's Cabinet serving under the man who was Leader of the Opposition, all the more so given the acrimonious circumstances. Aridd (talk) 21:35, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Re the Telavi ministry page: Definitely! Such an article would be justified even were it not for the circumstances of the government's removal. So in view of its role in an unprecedented constitutional crisis, it's unquestionably a good idea. Maybe simply indicate that Tanukale's resignation was what enabled Latasi to attempt to prevent the no confidence motion? (I've seen an AAP article in The Australian which is very confused and gives incorrect information on that issue; once more, we in Wikipedia are more accurate that some of the press! ;)) I've seen you've also done an article on the crisis itself. (I may do something similar in the French Wikipedia, where I've been updating pages to include all these recent events.) Nice work! Aridd (talk) 11:23, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Victoria Borwick
Just to let you know that not all members of the London Assembly are London-wide. There are fourteen elected by single-member constituencies and eleven who are termed 'London Members', elected from a party list. Borwick is one of the latter so she covers the whole of London, unlike the constituency members. Sam Blacketer (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry I wasn't clear, what I meant was if the infobox office says 'Member of London Assembly' it sort of infers the whole of London as no specific constituency is referred to.Arsenalfan24 (talk) 22:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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