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DYK for Jens Ramme
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Ekici
Your link didn't show me anything. Also, the table states that it's FIFA-recognized, not the country that recognizes him. Eventually he will show correctly on the FIFA site, so don't worry about the reference, at least not for my sake. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Walter. FIFA is the regulating body, not Turkish football.  Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 23:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * But I re-iterate what I wrote above: the TFF have to follow FIFA rules, so what they do is a much more reliable guide than a non-comprehensive website. The fact that they have picked him, means he is eligible for them under the rules laid down by FIFA. What happens in the actual game should be followed far more closely than an arbritarily chosen website. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 23:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And I will reiterate what I wrote above: FIFA says he is a German.  Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 23:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The FIFA source is a non-comprehensive page of historical statistics. FIFA says he was German. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Ekici 2
I misunderstood your position! I thought this was about being German footballer or Turkish (as in representing a national team); the part about him wanting/going to play for Turkey threw me! I would have look at Zidane's page to see how his heritage is handled. Sorry, my mistake!! Raul17 (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * According to FIFA Ekici is a German . I have restored this fact back to the FC Bayern wiki.  At some point FIFA will probably update their website and/or his status, but officially he is still classified as a German.   Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 20:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That article is not a bible of players' nationalities, it's just statistics for FIFA-competitions. Plenty of players have played for their countries without playing in FIFA competitions (only UEFA, or friendlies, or other confederation), so won't be listed on that page. That page isn't useful for these purposes: Ekici won't be listed there as Turkish until he plays in the finals of a World Cup for them. The nationality flag is to show the nation the player represents, it's very clear. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 21:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * To put it another way: FIFA set the rules of players' nationality - who do we think more reliably abides by these rules, a particular part of the website, or a member federation playing international football? ArtVandelay13 (talk) 21:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't misunderstand my position; I believe he will be recognized as Turkish at some point by FIFA. I believe you feel this way too and just want to "cut cut to the chase".  Am I right?  Currently, however, FIFA says he is German.  He is both Turkish and German, but what is at issue is that our article should reflect what FIFA is reporting.  Can you provide any other examples of national players that FIFA has said is of one nationality, while we claim they are of another?   Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 23:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The FIFA site to which you refer only lists plays who have played in the tournament finals of FIFA competitions: Ekici will not be recorded as Turkish until/unless he plays in the World Cup Finals. He could score the winning goal in UEFA Euro 2012 and that site will not reflect him being Turkish, because it's not that site's job to do that: it's just a page of historical statistics. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 23:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you find one reliable source from FIFA that says he is a Turk?  Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 23:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not direct from FIFA, because he hasn't played for Turkey in a competition directly run by FIFA, but the TFF abide by FIFA's rules, International Friendlies abide by their rules, so that's pretty clear and unambiguous evidence. This is something that's actually happened under the auspices of FIFA, and the fact that their website hasn't covered it shouldn't stop us reflecting that. I don't see why the reference has to come from the absolute top, FIFA's website is just one of many, and it isn't fully comprehensive. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 23:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's an example for you: René Schneider won the European championship with Germany in 1996, but only won one cap. It wasn't in a World Cup game, so he isn't listed by FIFA at all. So what then? It shows at the very least that Ekici's change will not necessarily be represented if it goes far enough. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Or Nikola Nikezic: Played for Serbia and Montenegro in the 2004 Olympics before Montenegro broke away, now a Montenegrin international, but listed as Serbian by FIFA because he didn't play in the World Cup. . I can't see that by any definition he is Serbian, except historically - and all that site is is a historical site. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 23:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither of these examples is comparable to the subject at hand. RE; Rene Schneider (the footballer, not the Chilean) was apparently German and nobody is aruging over a dissolved country.  If he was listed as an "East German" then I would tend to agree with you, but that is not the case here.   Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 23:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Nikezic thing is directly comparable - the circumstances of his change in nationality may be different, but it proves my point: that that particular part of the FIFA website is not a reliable source, because it is not fully comprehensive and up-to-date and nor does it seek to be - you cannot use it as a reference, and certainly you can't hold it up as the only useful reference. A change in national borders is one way in which players can change nationality - it's a more egregious example, but that proves my point: if we follow these rules for Ekici completely and trust only this irrelevant section of the FIFA website, then you can only conclude that Nikezic is clearly Serbian - but clearly he is not. Agsin, the question is this: what is more reliable, a national football federation that comes under FIFA and obeys by its rules and the matches that it plays under those rules, or a section of the FIFA website that makes no intention of being fully comprehensive or up-to-date? ArtVandelay13 (talk) 00:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at this. Specifically, take a look at Mario Gomez. There is a dual Spanish and German flag. What if we do the same for Ekici here? Would that be an acceptable compromise to you? Erikeltic ( Talk ) 23:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mind that, but the template doesn't allow for it. In any case there'd only be the same dispute over which is the primary flag, but the whole point of showing a player's nationality is to show who the player represents (or would represent). In Ekici's case, that's Turkish. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 00:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We have not reached a consensus, the examples you provided are not relevant or comparable, and regardless of what you believe FIFA is the governing body and they classify him as German. (period)  I suggest we A) refrain from modifying this article until consensus is reached and B) involve other editors in this disucssion--which should be taking place on the talk page of the article.   Erikeltic  ( Talk ) 12:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I copied this entire discussion to the FCB talk page. Let's continue it there. <B>Erikeltic</B> ( Talk ) 12:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, I have a question about your edit in Thomas Müller. Template:Infobox football biography 2 says about medaltemplates:

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I don't think that this parameter is intended for non-olympic honors or has this been changed without updating the documentation? --Jaellee (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I have (in rare cases) reverted similar edits referring to these two sentences. If you want to use this parameter for non-olympic honors, I don't disagree in principle. But I think that this is quite a change from standard practice for infoboxes and you should have consensus from the football community for this. I would really like know the general opinion on this before starting to change infoboxes. --Jaellee (talk) 22:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Route Map Templates into Route Infoboxes
THe Route Infoboxes were primarily developed for US lines that have simple route map templates. The UK (Scottish) Route Map templates have been developed way beyond the capabilty of the infobox to handle: Single line templates, such as Whifflet Line and Maryhill Line will work (I think anything that does not go above BS4 will probably work) except for the double incidence of the Legend as mentioned above. Can I suggest that for these reasons you consider the appropriateness of route map templates into the infobox, before adding. --Stewart <sup style="color:maroon;"> ( talk |  edits ) 20:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Many are too wide (for example North Clyde Line)
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 * You will not that the word Legend appears above and below the title box. This is because the BS-header template is not entirely compatible with the line infobox. probably a minor incompatibility issue with infobox rdt.

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FCB Talk page
Hi Art. If you don't have any objections, I'm going to archive the Ekici discussion we had a few months back. Is that okay with you? <B>Erikeltic</B> ( Talk ) 19:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I made a couple of structural fixes to the article. Some of the statements read a little odd--like a German writing in English.  Happens to the best of us.  I also started a topic in the talk page about current status and would appreicate any input or thoughts you may have.   <B>Erikeltic</B>  ( Talk ) 20:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know if you saw this but there appears to be a renewed discussion about flags and football. I thought you may be interested.   <B>Erikeltic</B>  ( Talk ) 13:50, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Great fix!
Just to say many thanks ArtVandelay13. I wasn´t much around here these last couple of days and I only menaged now to see your addition in WP:NAMESORT which completely solves the problem. Great work. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 18:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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Marcel Ivanusa?
Bist du Marcel Ivanusa? :D Are you Marcel Ivanusa? --Maturion (talk) 12:30, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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The subs were listed in the match report attached to the article. If you can find match reports for other matches then they might have subs listed too. Imlikeaboss (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm a little surprised that you reverted my edit here when the next step should be taking it to the talk page. But that's OK, I've started a discussion on the talk page in order to hash it out there. I'm notifying the original editor who uploaded and inserted the image as well. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Thanks for resizing the image at the Ambivalence article -- regardless of its value it was far too large for the article. However, I still do not see how it unambiguously represents ambivalence. It still looks like a joke. I've actually reported this to ANI here. It's not about you but about the original editor who added the image and the ongoing conflict with him and his friends. Just thought I'd let you know. SQGibbon (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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EuroCity
Hello ArtVandelay

The list of EuroCity trains has been moved to a separate article. This means that a reader doesn't has an overview any more without leaving the article. Moreover the new list seems to serve trainspotters at border crossings. The list that was included in this article mentioned every name once, what makes sense for readers not knowing which EuroCitys exist(ed) and are looking for their routes and period of operation. The new listing wrongly assumes that the reader already knows the route of a specific train. In case you already know the specific route you can find the train at one or more routes, this is not very helpful for someone who is looking for info about EuroCity services. Many times the links in the new table don't provide info regarding the specific train but are linked to the subject the train's name was derived from. I would like to propose restoring the list of names and keep the new table as EuroCities per route. It is a good list for those wanting to study specific routes, but despite the effort to make it, it isn't an overview of EuroCity services.--JB63 (talk) 17:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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