User talk:Atsme/Archive 50

Horse articles
I have just seen that you reversed some articles I proposed for deletion and said you think they are notable. Can you explain to me how they meet with the General notability guideline? They do not have multiple sources that give significant coverage of them. You seem to be experienced. 90.255.15.2 (talk) 12:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I also invited you to sign-up for my class at WP:NPPSCHOOL. Notability is much more nuanced than what you seem to think it is. You should also register an account, and get involved in WikiProject Equine if horses are of interest to you. why did you single out only those particular articles?  Atsme 💬 📧 15:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I was looking at some horses in Category:Cutting horses and realised these ones did not meet Wikipedia's standards. And after looking for sources to improve them and realising there were none I thought I would follow Wikipedia's policies.
 * So are you saying that if I successfully complete the New pages patrol/School I will learn that articles do not need to meet the significant coverage aspects of the General notability guideline? Is that somehow mixed up with being Autoconfirmed? Is that how these articles were allowed onto Wikipedia in the first place? 90.254.14.223 (talk) 20:41, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that you have a very limited understanding of our guidelines and policies. You targeted and prodded 6 notable horse articles and then prodded the NCHA articles because you obviously have no clue about GNG, or N. I offered to help you, and instead you come over being a smart ass. I think perhaps an admin needs to look into your activities., are you busy?  Atsme 💬 📧 21:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The General notability guideline seems quite straightforward to me. Please explain how I am misinterpreting it. Are these articles covered by a Subject-specific notability guideline? How are they notable? 90.254.14.223 (talk) 06:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Why have you said my edits are vandalism? Are you familiar with Proposed deletion? These articles do not meet Wikipedia's standards in the General notability guideline. 90.254.14.223 (talk) 10:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I do hope Wikipedia will soon put an end to IP editing. It would save so many resources that are already overtaxed because of the time sinks they create. Still, to this day, not one statistic has been provided that indicates IP editing is a positive in WP's cost vs benefit program. If it's about copy editing, fixing misspellings, adding categories, etc. - A BOT can fill that position.  Atsme 💬 📧 11:37, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

December greetings
Latest pics, with an opera discovery and some snow. Today my talk has a DYK that was planned for 22 November, among the recent deaths the author of Duck, Death and the Tulip, and now a choir pic of "our" concert last Sunday, likely to become next year's lead image. Enjoy. Best wishes for the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Today, pictured, the soprano of our choral concert of the year. More in the context: User talk:Gerda Arendt, in case of interest. - Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Request for photo review
Hello, Atsme. I wonder if you get some time if you could review a photo that I have just uploaded onto Commons: File:Buchstaprop1936.jpg. It is, as far as I can tell, an un-attributed photo made anonymously in 1936, but published more recently in an online newsletter of the Nashville Historical Association. Frankly, the copyright rules and licensing now a days just leave me dumbfounded. If you could check it out for me and tweak if necessary, I would be most appreciative. I plan to submit the article and picture for DYK this Friday. Thank you in advance, and Happy New Year. GenQuest "scribble" 03:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Top of the morning to you, !! From my perspective, you covered all the bases - good job!! The image is actually a public domain image per Stanford's interpretation of US Copyright Law.  The Tennessee SOS clearly states the following in Use of Library & Archives Materials: While the Library & Archives houses an item, it does not necessarily hold the copyright on the item, nor may it be able to determine if the item is still protected under current copyright law. Users are solely responsible for determining the existence of such instances and for obtaining any other permissions and paying associated fees, that may be necessary for the intended use. While the library's full collection is copyrighted, and they would like to get credit/attribution for housing public domain images, WP is not under the same "moral obligations" as the TN historians as stewards of historic documents/images. Their restrictions on individual pieces of non-copyrighted material is unenforceable, especially a single photo that is 86 years old by an unknown author. Only the entire collection and manner of presentation is copyrighted (for example, a complete book or chapter), but I don't see any issues in using the CC-BY-SA 4.0 license to attribute the TN Library as a courtesy–as what you did. It wasn't that long ago that I was forced through [the rigors] in order to save a public domain image from  deletion.  Probably more info than you wanted, but hth. I'll end with RIP User:JGHowes – he is truly missed.  Atsme  💬 📧 10:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey! Thanks for the review, information, and sentiment.  Sorry for your troubles with the process.  Copyright seems to the average joe (such as moi) to be another Wikipedia minefield. Right up there with ANI—places I don't care to visit too often.  Thanks again!  Regards,  GenQuest  "scribble" 14:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Gerda! Your altruism, remarkable memory and uncanny ability to stay so well organized & focused are the real gems.  Happy Holidays, my WikiFriend!!  Atsme  💬 📧 23:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, blushing a bit, - my memory is so miserable that I have to get somewhat organized. I am in the process of organizing the recipients' list better, sortable, indicating groups, such as you are a project member and active - a rare thing! Please check it out. Any help finding why the last column still shows although it's empty welcome. (there seems to be a leftover || in a note, but where? in almost 3000 lines ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * 🍻 Cheers!!  Atsme 💬 📧 11:13, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Fly
I only just now noticed that you added a fly on your own on your page, and 'borrowed fly gig from Moops'! I am honored. Does your fly have a name? My fly is Edward Pennington. TY

Also, I got your ping, and now will begin to really look into the NPP school further. Excited! — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 02:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Darla the dog
Great job in the deletion discussion for Darla (dog), you schooled everyone who reads the page. Thanks for saving a worthy topic, Wikipedia would not have been the same without it (as Buffalo Bill discovered early on). Randy Kryn (talk) 01:48, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Randy. The urge to "school" comes naturally. I've been spending less time doing as I spend teaching, but then, I truly enjoy helping others. SMirC-chuckle.svg Oh, and before I forget, I wanted to mention that this article in People is not about the same dog that played in Silence of the Lambs, but it does add to the notability of "Precious", the role in which Darla was originally cast. Maybe someone with more free time than I have these days will add a paragraph about that CBS TV sequel and significance of the role so many years later. The film did have a cultural impact as demonstrated by the Vox article which states: The sheer cultural dominance of Silence of the Lambs over the years is hard to quantify; at this point, it’s likely that every major scene from the film is recognizable to many Americans, even if they’ve never seen it, .... — from the fava beans to the lotion in the basket to Precious the dog. The article just needs someone who has the time to make it more encyclopedic; the sources are certainly there. Happy editing!  Atsme 💬 📧 02:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For your page friends, here's a link to the Articles for deletion/Darla (dog) page where the "schooling" took place. You left the sources, and I'll put some time into editing the page unless others get there ahead of me (not now though, letting sleeping dogs etc.). Darla getting some good attention today. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * After all, look at this liddle shnooky woogums. Who's a good shnooky wooky widdle woogums? She is. Yes she is. BD2412  T 18:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * SMirC-chuckle.svg I agree!  Atsme  💬 📧 11:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Signpost comment
Hi Atsme, I was just going to add some subheaders to Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-01-16/In the media to group comments by topic when I realised that I wasn't quite sure which of the stories on that page you were commenting on. Was it the French story, the Sanger story, or another? Regards, Andreas JN 466 14:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Without looking, I'd say the Sanger story. Am I right, Betty? - Roxy the dog 17:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * On reflection, I'm sure you must be right, and I've put her comment in the relevant subsection. (I agree with her point, actually.) Andreas  JN 466 19:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies for my day late response.  you are correct.  I was not aware there were subsections, so thank you for taking the proper action. It is much appreciated.  Atsme  💬 📧 11:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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2023
Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where, including the beginning of my songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm on vacation, - click on songs! I tell my own stories now, instead of relying on DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

still --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm back - only 1 1/2 days of pics missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

and now the rest - Melitta Muszely died, RIP - the other story is 10 years old OTD ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I may at some point need help
Hope you aren't getting too much sun... Since Kudpung has stepped back, I have been asked to help shepherd the effort towards a new user splash screen. Would you mind looking over my shoulder during this process? I have tendency towards bigheadedness occasionally when given a mission. Just occasionally whisper in my ear, "you are only mortal." I'll let you know more as I know more. I'm going to ask a few folks I'd like to be involved if they desire. BusterD (talk) 20:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * BusterD, about the sun...I must admit that it is difficult to pass-up a day at Jibe City where the only splash screening is done on a surf board with a sail. They are also known for their island-style, wooden porch restaurant where they serve the best BBQ sauce on Bonaire. Think baby back ribs and enjoying them while sitting at a table on their covered porch, looking out at the windsurfers and blue, blue Caribbean. To top it all off, in the middle of the table is a bucket of iced down Amstel Bright to share with island friends. (Just explaining why my reply is a day late) I think it's wonderful that you have been tasked with the splash screen effort, but I'll come clean...trying to suppress what I will likely contribute to where you are concerned is like me saying no to a day at Jibe City! I look forward to watching the master at work...and I will promise to do my best try not to annoy, but that's as far as I'll go.SMirC-mmm.svg  Atsme  💬 📧 11:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you can prioritize. A valuable skill. Thanks, sunshine. BusterD (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Link to meeting info. BusterD (talk) 19:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now I'm hungry. And thirsty. And jealous. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Maybe we could schedule an Editathon on Bonaire where you (& my other WikiFriends) can satisfy your hunger, quench your thirst and eradicate the feeling that makes one wish they could be on a warm, sunny island in the big blue Caribbean. Just do it!  Atsme  💬 📧 22:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a way of spending WMF money I can back. I'm here today just wagging my tail and begging for an atta boy. I grew up on the beach but have been landlocked since then (does living in NYC for years count as beach living? I don't count it). Sure could use your wikihug today. BusterD (talk) 18:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Our thoughts must have crossed. I devoted some time to NPP tutoring today, and was actually thinking of you and your project at NPP. I have not been pinged for any input, so you obviously are doing a tremendous job, and have everything under control. I have not heard any rumbling from the back 40, and have not seen your username at any of the drama boards. It appears you have raked-in far more attaboys than ohshits - and that's pretty remarkable on WP. Here's to you, my Wikifriend! SMirC-wine.svg And I'll throw-in a big ole SMirC-bearhug.svg  Atsme  💬 📧 18:45, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

February...
I wanted to update you that I have been slacking on the NPP training only now, I have some pressing work related things to attend to, but come February I will be able to give it my full attention. I really appreciate your patience with me on that. :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 23:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Okie dokie.  Atsme 💬 📧 22:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to diving into that soon. TY again. :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 18:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

NPP course
I am actively ready now, and have read over all material. Please assign me the "5 articles for you to review" and I will get going so that I can graduate, earn the NPP perm, and begin helping WP more. TY — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 04:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I just submitted my contribution for the first part then. Once you review, and approve, I will move on to the second part. TY — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 15:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please ping me from the lesson page. It makes responding to it an easy direct click.  Atsme 💬 📧 16:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah sorry. I just finished Pt. 2 and came here, I will go ping you from there though. :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 22:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks/my health/5 yrs ago
Just wanted to thank for your, assumed to be sincere, concern about my health. Thankfully, I have a clean bill of health, am entirely off medication except for coffee, pot, and probiotics, no panic attacks or bad trips for years, and have even managed to avoid getting COVID-19. After some ill-advised and stupid mistakes and a spot of temporary insanity 5 years ago (User:Andrevan/2018 for my statement) which led to me to resign as an admin/bureaucrat, and some blocks/bans, I currently am free of sanctions and have made 10,000 edits in the past 9 months, many in controversial topic areas. I apologize for anything from 5 years ago that may have upset you or the community at large. I definitely overstepped several bounds. Andre🚐 18:54, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ❤️ - there are 2 things in my life that I never fake...(1) sincere concern for another human being, especially people I consider colleagues, and (on the lighter side because it helps me preserve my sanity), I have never faked a sarcasm. SMirC-chuckle.svg Thank you for your reassurance...it is very much appreciated, and helps put my mind at ease.  Atsme  💬 📧 18:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I applaud your empathy and humanity. That is something that is missing in a lot of online communities (and offline ones...) We can disagree on politics or policy but greater shared understanding, civility, and respect can help. I also empathize with the sufferers of "Biden derangement syndrome" who are getting a little taste of the feelings I felt in 2018 (though maybe different). Not to pick a fight but in the pursuit of further empathy. As the descendant of Eastern European Jews, I grew up with stories of my great-grandparents fleeing the Odessa pogroms and Kishinev pogrom on all sides of my family. We came to New York City and saw the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island, and I still reside in NYC as do 4 generations of my family, so the American story is personal for me. When antisemites were in power in Washington, or the January 6 attack, or the Ukraine invasion, these are all very triggering and personal for me. The events of 2016-2018 including the undeniable Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, unlocked some kind of generational trauma (plus, some issues in my personal life and career at the time which thankfully are over with). But of course, one needs emotional distance and impartiality to edit Wikipedia, something that I lacked in 2018, but I have now. I hope folks writing and editing in 2023 can get that same distance and impartiality whether it is about the Durham investigation or the Steele dossier. Wikipedia is too important to let petty squabbles get in the way of that. Thanks for reading and enjoy the rest of your weekend. Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 19:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, Andrevan. You are most welcome! And thank you for sharing what must have been an incredible journey for you and your family. Your words helped me visualize the very moment of your arrival, and how amazing it must have been when you first laid eyes on that big beautiful symbol of freedom. Thank you for that! My best wishes to you and yours! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 21:39, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Opinion on Suicide of Adriana Kuch
Hello, I came across this in NPP and I wanted to get your opinions about this article. Suicide of a minor which is WP:MILL. Perhaps WP:NOTNEWS. Also no way to know if this will be WP:LASTING beyond a news cycle. Seems to be covered by major outlets so I wanted to get your opinion. Bruxton (talk) 22:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, Bruxton - I'm not seeing anything beyond what you mentioned. For example Suicide of Audrie Pott resulted in a law being passed. Unless you see anything else, or maybe a list of suicides for that reason, or something besides MILL...which is sad in itself, but not enough for inclusion.  We sure don't want youngsters thinking they can get a WP page by doing something crazy like that. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 22:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel like we could have a list of these to which the less significant (but still nationally reported) instances redirect. BD2412  T 22:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Edit: We have List of suicides attributed to bullying. BD2412  T 22:54, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've raised some concerns on the article talk page, and I'll be watching there. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am uncertain about it. What Atsme has alluded to is an observed phenomena as well. There are articles about it and even a term "suicide contagion". I think these kinds of suicides happen often and when spotlighted they may trigger contagion. I do not think that is a policy reason for us to exclude but I think the lasting impact of one teen's suicide is our concern for the encyclopedia. Bruxton (talk) 01:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do is to discuss it at the article talk page, rather than here. There's not much use to a meta-discussion of the social impacts of WP pages, but the practical question at hand is what to do, if anything, with the article. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

MOS:REALTIME
This is SO simple, yet SO important. I am glad that you pointed this out, I will add it to my list of the sorts of things that I regularly correct for. It makes so much sense though, that "Recently John Smith did XYZ, etc. etc." does no one any favors, but something like "In February 2023 John Smith did XYZ, etc. etc." helps to know specifically what when the event in question is being referred to and holds constant over time. Super small, but super important point. TY — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 16:39, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hindsight+Insight=Foresight. SMirC-wink.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 16:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I love that equation! Also, where do you get all your cute little emojis? — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 21:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

February songs
music today: the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Ready for next 5 for NPP
Hi Atsme,

I am ready to give my full attention to the next 5 that you provide to me. I hope to be able to finish this up today. TY kindly. :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 20:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry, - it's Saturday night and I have plans. Just stopped by long enough to leave you this message.  I will provide the big 5 tomorrow morning around 8ish AST. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 22:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Darn. I am very busy tomorrow unfortunately. Will have to be sometime then after Wednesday then. I cleared my calendar for this today, but am pretty busy otherwise until next Thursday if I need to be able to reliably turn these around in a fast enough timeline with confidence. :( — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 22:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hate to be a pest, but is there any way you are able to pick 5, and then you can review tomorrow or at your leisure? I do not know how long it takes to pick 5, so if it is a lot of time, then we will just need to do this the latter part of next week.. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 22:06, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, looks like tomorrow evening I might be free on your eastern time. So if you could give it to me tomorrow evening, that should work... I don't know how long it should normally take to work through 5? If it can be done in an hour or so? — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 02:20, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , I got your message on the NPP training page, just also notifying you here for good measure. :) TY kindly. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 23:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * CONGRATULATIONS, Moops!! You passed the course & the reviews!! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 12:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

UPE-admin discussion
Hey Atsme, how are you? I am interested in this UPE sysop discussion you mentioned here. Can you provide a link to it? Just curious for what articles sysops thought its worth to become an UPE.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 13:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * My apologies, PC, but I don't have time to search for it, especially today. It's in the archives at NPP, or maybe one of the other reviewers will recall if you post the question there. I'm about to head out the door in a few.  <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 13:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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Keys instead of clicks
Are there hotkeys on the New Pages feed with the NPP perm that I can click to move from one page to the next until I decide to review one or to otherwise add tags or anything? I do a lot of vandalism patrolling where I just use keys on my keyboard and only click once in a while... This is just how I prefer to work from an ergonomics standpoint, not really anything from a speed standpoint, since I still would like to take my time and go slow no matter which way that I am patrolling new pages now. TY — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 22:02, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * , the NPP queue works differently, so you will have to keep that tab open on your browser, and open a new tab on your browser for the page you're reviewing. You can use the filter to just review or exclude certain pages, for example, exclude redirects, include only copyvio issues, or articles that are orphans, etc. Start at the back of the queue (oldest first) and do not attempt to review an article younger than at least 3 to 5 days because creators may still be working on those articles. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 22:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Good advice. Thank you very much, and good to know. I will be clicking away then! TY — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 22:33, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

March stories
On IWD, I remember a 2016 DYK: Hana Blažíková, a Czech who sang German music in Japan. - I loved improving Mary Bauermeister - on the Main page until yesterday. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

NPP school
Hello Atsme! I'm considering doing NPP school but noticed that you don't have any slots available right now. Was that slot Moops and you just haven't cleared it yet or is it still occupied? If it's still occupied do you know when that slot might open up? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 15:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi,, so sorry for any confusion, and you're right about the slots – I need to update them. I took a little break to focus on my vacay time on Bonaire. I will set up a course for you, and then ping when it is ready. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 19:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! Thank you! I might not be able to work on it regularly due to me having work and various other things. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 19:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Is it just me, or...
...has the "thank" feature been removed from the diff/edit view? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 13:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No, it's just you... SMirC-cool.svg
 * I think there is a switch for that somewhere in preferences, to accept and/or send thanks. I thought the default is "on" though.  GenQuest  "scribble" 13:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Somebody either flipped my switch, or the issue got fixed. SMirC-chuckle.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 15:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Your thanks log says you've been thankedover 1900 times... I've been thanked over 2250 times... the benefits that come from gnome work! guess who thanked you once! wbm1058 (talk) 22:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * guess again ;) wbm1058 (talk) 22:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How sweet. If only life was that pleasant all the time. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:21, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

NPP School Availability
I was hoping to ask you to be my trainer today because I was busy this weekend but it appears Blaze Wolf got ahead of me hehe so I was wondering if after you are done with them if you would be available to take me as a student. Or if you are able to take me along with them. If so I look forward to learning! If not I hope you have a great rest of your day! Sky The Wolf (Talk) 16:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi,, give me a few days to see if my RL schedule will let me take on another student. I should know by Thursday AM. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 19:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh alright no problem hope to hear from you soon! Sky The Wolf  (Talk) 21:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Just checking in please let me know and have a good day! Sky The Wolf  (Talk) 12:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, ! When I complete the tutorial with Blaze Wolf, which is nearing completion, I will set up your tutorial and ping you to that page. If you don't want to wait, we have other excellent teachers at NPP for you to consider. Just let me know what you decide to do. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 14:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * About how long would the wait be I am very eager to get started. Sky The Wolf  (Talk) 15:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't have deadlines on WP, so I can't give you a time frame. My students work at their own pace. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 15:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah I get that and thats no problem. Sky The Wolf  (Talk) 15:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!
Wow!! A blast from the past, and a pleasant surprise indeed! It's so good to hear from you. How are you doing, Benison? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 10:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * (Talk page watcher comment): Mmm, cheeseburger. BD2412  T 21:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheeburger! Cheeburger!. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's the best cheesy gift I've received, yet. SMirC-chuckle.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm good. Feels like it was just yesterday when I got a mentor request on my talk page and now look at all those FA topicons. My heart just swole (3 sizes, lol). Just so proud of you. It was absolutely amazing to collab with you. Seeya around, Atsme :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

We knew it was coming
Jimmy's thinking about it, and has been for a while now. Quoting his comment: I think we’re still a way away from: ‘ChatGPT, please write a Wikipedia entry about the empire state building’, but I don’t know how far away we are from that, certainly closer than I would have thought two years ago. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:47, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

April songs
My story today is about the Alchymic Quartet, - I went away from DYK but it's the last one from last year. - The songs are about vacation. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I loved to see Marian Anderson and her story of protest against discrimination by singing on Easter Sunday 9 April 1939 on the Main page yesterday. Impressions of Easter here and music here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. - a few pics added, one day missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for article improvements in April! - Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. - I feel like grieving with you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I am grieving
My heart is heavy... David (DGG) will be greatly missed. He was one of the few people I have ever known who was able to leave his biases at login and approach situations objectively. I will cherish the memories we made at the WikiCons. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorry for your loss, take your time, there's no pressure to edit, and if you need anything, feel free to let me know. Zippybonzo &#124; Talk (he&#124;him) 18:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Zippy. ❤️ <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for your loss @Atsme, he sounded like an amazing guy. I was looking at his unfinished work to try see if I could help finish it and it is so out of my league and so well written that my attempts would not do it justice. It's not fair and an honest shame that we've been deprived of someone with such gifts. If there is anything I can do please do reach out.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 06:05, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Dr vulpes. I am working through it...the episodes are getting shorter. Now trying to keep a decade of fond memories in the forefront. He will be greatly missed as is ; both brilliant, both kind souls. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 12:54, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You are not alone in your grief, Atsme. I find it's far easier to let wikipedians go when I did not meet them or know them personally. But for David, with whom I'd shared a number of in-person discussions and with whom I'd broken bread on more than on occasion, the loss is more personal. On Wikipedia where we try vainly to keep our personalities out of the work, some personalities do shine through. I feel DGG's loss personally, acutely and measurably. BusterD (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing, Buster. ❤️ <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 19:06, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Truly a great loss to us all Atsme. I find I miss editors like Corinne and David more with each passing year. My deepest sympathies to you. Best regards as well. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:16, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, MarnetteD. We are all kindred spirits here sharing a great loss. Hopefully in the future we will be able to share happy times while cherishing these wonderful memories. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 01:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Atsme I came over here to say hello and hope you are doing okay. Really sad to see this. I know we are still only acquaintances, but due to your mentorship and our few RL interactions online I would be very gutted to hear of anything happening to you...so I can imagine to a small degree how you feel. Sending virtual support from across the pacific. Stay well Atsme. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Maxna Carter. Your words bring comfort. David was not only an asset to Wikipedia, he was a kind and caring human being. With the latter in mind, we should never allow our anonymity to convert us into inhuman-like algorithms as we have occasionally witnessed at the dramah boards. When speaking of humanity and dedication, I think of David's willingness to help new editors, his dedication to reviewing new articles, his outstanding work as a member of ArbCom, and above all, his love and devotion to his family. I have seen some of those same qualities in you as well, MC, despite our limited interactions.
 * I have thought long and hard about the pros and cons of online interactions and the dehumanizing effects of anonymity vs. actually meeting people at our WikiCons, or through online interactions such as zoom meetings where people can visually interact and respond to body language and human facial expressions. It is a difficult task to manage anonymity and behavior in a volunteer community that expects everyone to AGF, but often responds quite the opposite, especially when epistemological differences are at issue. David helped make it bearable because he was a good listener, and was able to leave his biases at login while still maintaining high standards for the encyclopedia. He never discounted humanity, or lost sight of his own. I feel honored to have known DGG, and feel the same about you MaxnaCarta. In fact, I feel honored and humbled by each one of the heartfelt comments made above and that were sent privately, all from exceptional editors who are exceptional human beings. To you MC, my sincere and heartfelt thank you!! <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 16:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

May thanks
Thank you for improving articles in May. - I had a good story on coronation day: the Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;)

I nominated Soňa Červená for GA just to give her a bit more exposure, and I took some pics of bright scenery - click on songs. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Movement Charter Drafting Committee's monthly newsletter
Updates: What’s coming up?
 * Charter Ratification Methodology proposal conversations: The Movement Charter Drafting Committee recently held the first conversations regarding the ratification methodology for the Movement Charter. The MCDC has received valuable feedback from different communities and the Committees during the community input period. The report of the community input will be shared in May, while the updated version of the ratification methodology will be presented between September and November 2023.
 * Communication evaluation: The Communications sub-committee of the MCDC together with the support staff conducted an evaluation of the communications. The Communications sub-committee appreciates the time and input of the community members who shared their opinions during the interviews. Several recommendations are going to be implemented in the upcoming period based on the valuable input.
 * Learn about the MCDC’s work in April: The MCDC continues to draft additional chapters: The Global Council, Hubs, Decision-making and Roles & Responsibilities. Alongside the drafting work, the MCDC is planning their in-person meeting scheduled for 2-4 June in Utrecht, Netherlands with the aim of advancing the charter's content.
 * Participants of the WikiNusantara 2023 in Banjarmasin, Indonesia are invited to join a session on the topics around Wikimedia Movement Strategy and community collaboration on May 20. Ramzy Muliawan will provide updates, share about the Movement Charter Ambassadors Program and answer the questions.

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 * Just an observation...while I appreciate many of the things WMF has accomplished...why on earth would they label what they've organized a Movement Charter, or a Movement Strategy? Action would have been a much better choice. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 13:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

NPP School
Greetings @Atsme! I was wondering if you had any open slots in your schedule to train me in NPP school. I know it says that you have 0 spots open, but another NPP recommended you and you are in my time zone. If not, that’s completely fine. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:43, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Greetings to you, ! I would be honored to schedule you.  Give me a day or so to set-up the tutorial for you, and I will ping you to the page. Time zones really don't matter except during the live reviews but now that we have a backlog, it still would not be an issue. SMirC-chuckle.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 13:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Thank you so much! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 13:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Quite busy right now, but I aim to begin on this in a few hours. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 03:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done with the notability section! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:52, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done with the Wikipedia policies section. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:24, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done with the communication section! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done with the deletion section. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have also finished the final section. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have finished the live reviews. Wow that was stressful. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 13:56, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

NPPSCHOOL tutoring
Hi Atsme, long time no see. I was wondering if you needed another NPPSCHOOL tutor, as my door is wide open. P.S: if you do need me as a tutor, can I use your NPPSCHOOL page and make any alterations to it as needed. Yours, Zippybonzo &#124; Talk (he&#124;him) 15:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Zippy - I'm on a personal break for a while, so visit with the NPP coordinators. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 02:25, 17 June 2023 (UTC)