User talk:BernardP

Hello and thanks!
Hello BernardP, and thanks for your very nice image and very useful stub article about the nudibranch Greilada elegans. I also put that image into Skomer Marine Nature Reserve, which previously didn't have any images. Maybe I have showed you this same invitation in the past, and if so, forgive me for repeating myself, but here goes:

All best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, you joined!
After 5 years here and a lot of editing there are plenty of things I still don't know about, but since you are feeling like a beginning editor, I probably do know more than you at this point, so please feel completely free to ask me anything at all on my talk page, and I will be delighted to help you out as much as I can. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

In case you find errors?
Hello again Bernard, Google helped me see who you are. Can I say that you are even more welcome than before, if that is possible! I also wanted to say, if you come across any kind of errors in any of our nudibranch articles (many are just stubs, i.e. very short, but nonetheless I am sure there is plenty of room for various kinds of errors in them) please feel free to correct them without asking. We use the taxonomy as it is given in WoRMS as our primary source for all marine species of gastropods, but let's face it, most of us are amateurs, and as you might expect, we are short-staffed and overworked, so all kinds of errors creep in, especially as we have over 20,00 articles to maintain. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 00:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The use of copyrighted images in Wikipedia.
Hello BernardP. A warm welcome to the WikiProject Gastropods.

You posed a question about which copyright can be used in Wikipedia. All images on wikipedia must conform to the 3 following rules: free to share, free to remix (= derivative works) and can be used for commercial purposes. Therefore Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported (CC BY-NC 3.0) is not allowed. The most common usable Creative Commons licenses are : CC BY and CC BY-SA (I use usually the last one, especially for my own uploaded photos). Photos in the Public Domain are also very useful: see.

You can find useful information in:
 * File copyright tags
 * Non-free content
 * Commons:Copyright rules]
 * Commons:Copyright tags

There is a lot more to learn about copyright (such as copyright per country), but the above links contain the essentials. Hope this helps. JoJan (talk) 08:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Copied here by Invertzoo from Invertzoo's talk page to make sure that Bernard sees it:
 * " Hi Bernard, CC-BY-NC stands for CC by Attribution Non-commerical. That license is not acceptable on Commons, where images need to be made available for both commericial and non-commercial purposes. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 03:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)"

Learning how to edit Wikipedia?
Hello again Bernard. I wanted to mention a few things.

1. Firstly there is Help: Wikipedia: The Missing Manual, which has chapters about pretty much anything you can think of (it also exists as a paper book should you prefer that).

2. I do want to repeat that you should feel free to ask me anything rather than struggling on your own, which can sometimes be confusing and discouraging. I usually recommend that people spend the first few months here making edits to articles that already exist, as a somewhat easier way to learn and get used to the way things work, rather than plunging in trying to create new articles from scratch right at the beginning.

3. That being said, if you want to go straight to the more advanced stuff, we do have an Article wizard which makes creating an OK article very much easier. We also have an File Upload Wizard which makes uploading images very easy.

4. And I also generally recommend: when you are trying to learn how to do something, although we do have help pages, often the easiest thing to do is simply to find another article where someone has done the same thing you want to do, and then to go onto the edit page of that article, copy and paste that section (along with its markup) into your Sandbox (see at the top of this page between Talk and Preferences) and then tinker with it there to customize it for your use. Your sandbox is precisely for experimenting like that. Then you can transfer your work into article space once it is the way you want it to be.

5. To find one of our so-called help pages, in the search slot you put... Wikipedia: or WP: or wp: and then put the name of what you are looking for info about, such as wp:references or wp:titles or wp:maps. Some of our help pages are comprehensible, but be warned, a lot of them have not been recently re-written and are way too advanced and pretty much incomprehensible to a beginner.

6. Just one more thing, most people here are pretty helpful, but you will come across people who are not helpful or unnecessarily critical. It helps to have a thick skin.

Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 14:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Copyright Commercial, Non Commercial
Hi Bernard, You are exactly right. Someone can take any material, text or pictures from Wikipedia or Commons, and then publish them on their books/website/apps and make a profit from it. That's really what open source is. For example, Linux is free and open-source, Red Hat has created a version of Linux that is sold for profit. Wikipedia and Commons are free to use for both non-commericial and commercial purposes. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why professional photographers are reluctant to release their pictures to Commons even though they are okay with non-commericial use. Some do upload low resolution photos of their pictures to Commons. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 00:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I like to add a few things. The beauty of this open source license is that anyone can use your photos but not abuse. You still have all the moral rights. An abuse could be e.g. the use of one of your photos in a hate website. If attribution is required, then attribution MUST be given. No one can claim copyright to one of your photos. I've uploaded more than 11,000 photos to the commons and have been copied more than 40,000 times on other websites with attribution (and who knows how many times without attribution). I've been asked several times by publishing houses if they could use one of my photos in a new book they're were preparing to publish. I always gave my OK free of charge. I even found one of my photos in the Encyclopaedia Brittanica online and others in scientific publications, always with attribution. I always use the license  for my own photos. I don't use the "ShareAlike" license, because this impedes the use of my photos in books. That's what happens if you upload your photos to the commons. They start a life of their own. JoJan (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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Ophiocomina nigra?
Hi Bernard. Thanks for your note. I really don't know a lot about brittle stars, but are you quite sure of the suggested second identification? The images I find online of A. squamata don't look like that image -- the "fringes" on the arms are much shorter, and the stars usually seem to be pale. But the images of O. nigra seem to show stars that are a brownish-black with longer "fringes", a bit more like the image we have.

In any case, the description of the image on the Wikimedia Commons page is very easily changed; I can do that. In this case the actual title of the file does not need to be changed, but when that is the case, it has to be by someone who has more rights on Commons than I have. I am going away in about a week and am a bit busy now preparing for that trip, so maybe you should talk to User:JoJan about this. Invertzoo (talk) 20:55, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see, that is a totally different image from the one I was looking at. You should ask User:JoJan, as I don't have the necessary rights one needs in order to change image titles on WikiMedia Commons. if JoJan also does not have those rights, then you can ask User:AnnaFrodisiak, she definitely has those rights and she is very helpful and funny too. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Reply
Replied at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anna_Frodesiak#Two misidentified images

Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:42, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Autopatroller
Hi Bernard, thanks for writing more than fifty new articles. I have set your account as wp:Autopatrolled since you have clearly demonstrated that you know how to write referenced articles on notable subjects.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  19:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks Bernard for the very nice new nudibranch articles! Invertzoo (talk) 12:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bernard, and thanks for asking that important question. The basic answer is no. I am not even vaguely an expert on copyright matters, but here is my 2 cents worth: at Wikipedia in the gastropods project we do sometimes quote some descriptions verbatim from some very old sources (sources that were published over 75 years ago in the US are OK I think under US copyright law), but we can't do that for a 2006 description, unless for some peculiar reason it is in the public domain. And even when it is allowable to quote something verbatim, you must put it in "quote marks" as well as giving it an inline citation. Actually, come to think of it, I believe small direct quotations are allowable from almost anywhere, but they can't be more than a line or two, not great chunks of text. Someone who really knows about copyright issues is User:Moonriddengirl -- you could ask her anything about copyright problems that you need to know. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 23:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Bernard, I have now copied this discussion onto User:Moonriddengirl's talk page and asked her for input. Invertzoo (talk) 13:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I see Moonriddengirl has written you a detailed answer on her talk page. Invertzoo (talk) 12:04, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Rostanga articles
Thanks so much Bernard for the really great group of Rostanga articles, which are quite detailed and much appreciated. I have gone through them this morning and fixed them up a little bit, and just wanted to ask if next time you create a batch of articles you could use a few small additional refinements which are conventional here according to the Wikipedia Manual of Style:


 * For genus or species taxa articles, add "italic title" at the very top, so the title displays in italics
 * In the intro or "lede", put the first mention of the name (the title of the article) into boldface, as well as italics
 * Make all the prose into complete sentences, no note form, even in descriptions
 * Wikilink words such as caryophyllidia, Microcionidae, the name of the type locality, and so on.

All very best to you and thanks again, Invertzoo (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

A few more things I noticed:


 * I also tried to link notum and discovered that the WP article on notum is only about insect anatomy. I myself am not clear what the definition of notum in dorid nudibranchs is, so maybe you would want to add to the notum article a sentence or two about the structure in nudibranchs?


 * I suppose we could also link dorsum, as most people will not know what that means.


 * You will see that I added the phrase "sea slug" to the intros of your articles. Sorry about this -- I know it is a sloppy common name that applies to so many creatures, but all Wikipedia articles need (in the intro) to indicate a context which will make sense to the average, non-specialist reader. This phrase has the advantage that ordinary people will realize that each of these articles is about a species of slug that lives in the sea. Invertzoo (talk) 16:20, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh and yet another small thing: if you could routinely add the project template on the talk page that would be very helpful too. If the article is really minimal it is a "Stub", but if it has a fair bit of info then it is already a "Start", even without an image. Articles that have good references, quite a lot of info, and a image are probably C class. And as I think you already know, species almost always count as low on the importance rating, and genera are mid importance. Invertzoo (talk) 20:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks User:Invertzoo. I'll try to keep an eye on these things in the future. Just a small note about italicising the title though. The guidance on Wikiproject gastropods says to omit the name= field and then the title is automatically italicised. I didn't do this until the end of the batch, but will do in future. I was trying to get stubs for all the Rostanga finished and ran out of time! BernardP (talk) 20:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Well I reckon you did great any which way; it was a terrific batch of articles. Yes, italic title can be produced either way; whichever procedure you prefer is fine. Invertzoo (talk) 20:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Aldisa

 * User:Invertzoo, I also did a batch of Aldisa stubs which I'd be grateful if you took a look at. BernardP (talk) 20:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Terrific! Thanks so much for all your hard work. I will look at them later this evening. Invertzoo (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I gave all of the species articles in that genus a quick going over just now. They seemed OK. I removed a lot of the "empty section" tags, because some people object to those place holders, and these had been around for 2 years. Invertzoo (talk) 21:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Invertzoo I was wondering about those tags, glad you cleared that up for me. More to do on all those pages to add type localities and original description references, which I'm concentrating on first. Hoping to solicit images later. BernardP (talk) 20:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Well some editors really like those "empty section" tags, other people really hate them. There are arguments both pro and con, but for the time being I removed them. Thanks again for what you are doing Bernard. It is true that there are a lot of scuba divers who like to photograph nudibranchs, so hopefully we can get some images. The good thing is that once we have an article for a species it is an extremely easy thing to just drop in a photo,and something that one does not need special training to be able to do. Invertzoo (talk) 01:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the Doto articles!
Thanks so much Bernard for the great new crop of articles on Doto species! I put the project template onto the talk pages, and fixed the articles up a little bit, doing things like adding more links and removing extra line spaces. Best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 00:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks Invertzoo I forgot about the talk page template! Too long a break! Hope to finish Doto in the next week or so. 17:39, 19 September 2014‎ BernardP

That's OK Bernard, no problem, we are delighted to have the articles! You may want to sign your messages using four of those wiggly things ( ~ ). The software will automatically convert them into your name and the date. What I did was the patch in the info by copying it from the edit history page, and also indented your message by putting a colon in front of it. Invertzoo (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again for all the great new articles!
I very appreciate your fine diligent work Bernard -- nicely done! I notice you got a reminder that when you are writing an article, the references go right after the punctation, not before it, that is the WikIpedia house style. And thanks for remembering to add the project template to the talk pages, that's very helpful, then your new articles show up in our statistics. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I guess you got my reply to your email? Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 12:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Cuthona pustulata and more
Nice work. I see you are in contact with the ever helpful Invertzoo. I added links to Joshua Alder and Albany Hancock in the taxobox for Cuthona pustulata and will go back through your pages from time to time to add the authority links.If you ever have the time an Ireland checklist linked from Fauna of Ireland would be an advantage (but not as useful as the species pages).If you sent one to me I can do it fairly quickly.Certainly quicker than the ongoing Butterflies of China which is taking forever.Must "fly" today. Talk to you soon Robert aka Notafly (talk) 13:30, 6 February 2015 (UTC) PS Why not fix up your user page Societies and so on- and have you seen Zell's user gallery Shells by H. Zell?
 * Thanks Notafly. Lots of species pages still to do. I'm trying to include at least type locality and a link to the original description plus a link to a photograph. Too many misidentified photographs and misidentifications in subsequent reports now when you do a google search. BernardP (talk) 11:00, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Henning Mourier Lemche
Henning Mourier Lemche from French wiki (Valerie who went into publishing ) A stub to fix sometime Publications? Notafly (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Added a list of marine publications BernardP (talk) 10:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Your notes
I read your messages on my talk page Bernard. Actually it would be good to add a heading above your message the next time you leave a message on a talk page, so it stands out better as a separate topic. I am not exactly superb at organizing an inline reference myself, but seeing as how you are still quite new to Wikipedia, it would have been nice if User:Manxruler had left you a note explaining exactly how he thought you should to do it... But in any case, looking at the references in the article on Cuthona distans, I don't think you should ever make the whole thing into a link as you did with the first ref. You need to list the book and then say "online at" and give the URL. If you put the URL between one square bracket at each end it will be invisible but it will provide a link to the page. The way that the WoRMS listing came out is much better. Anyway, as you will see, I kind of fixed those two up a bit myself and removed the citation style tag. Invertzoo (talk) 00:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I tried to fix the ones in the other article too. May not be perfect but better than they were. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 00:38, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. The Cuthona berghi reference works fine from my end. But before you go through your other articles changing the reference style to this new version, I would drop a message onto the talkpage of User:Manxruler and see what he has to say about the reworked ones. Invertzoo (talk) 13:52, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Alder and Hancock
Hi Bernard I'm uploading images from Alder and Hancock part 1 1845 the only part available from BHL.They are here If you still have access to this work I'd be glad to photograph the plates from the remaining parts. The GDZ scans ( SUB Göttingen Göttinger Digitalisierungszentrum (GDZ)	AnimalBase) AnimalBaseonline are poor and can't be copied (at least by me).Talk to you soon Robert aka Notafly (talk) 20:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Splendid. I should be photographing Seitz Indoaustraliaca Not at BHL either.Warm regards Robert Notafly (talk) 21:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I replied to your note...
...on my talk page. Feel free to ask me anything else about this. Invertzoo (talk) 17:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Alderia
Bernard. Is the authority for Alderia in Allman in Thompson as I fixed it? Or is the name in Thompson a nomen nudum later described by Allman in Allman 1846, Ann. Mag. nat. Hist., 17, 4. in which case the year of description should be changed.Warm regards Robert Notafly (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC) PS. As far as I can see the Alder and Hancock scans are complete see here again [ (the dates dodge about the family numbers and the BHL list is wrongly titled part I). A few more uploads and I will fix the part numbers and the publication years. I imagine the parts were so arranged to mix similar species with dissimilar (and more attractive with less) to ensure sale.

School edits
B I see Invertzoo mentions school/other group edits. These were and remain a problem on the Forensic entomology page. Hard to discourage the students but it would be nice if the lecturers helped here by not leaving editors to clear the page of random or wrong info.They usually don't R aka Notafly (talk) 21:40, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Petalifera ramosa
Hi Bernard, I don't know if you are interested in sea hares, maybe not, maybe only nudibranchs? But right now I am on a Dutch (Naturalis) marine expedition to the Caribbean Netherlands island of Saint Eustatius, and yesterday one of the divers found a tiny (3 or 4 mm) juvenile of this species on a algae sample. The colors were amazing. I said it was a sea hare, but everyone else wanted it to be a sacoglossan. I immediately thought of you and everyone here knew who you are. Would you drop me an email because I don't seem to have your email address. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 16:37, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposal
Hi Bernard, I just made a proposal in Wikimedia at the new Community Wishlist Survey for a much needed bot : Create a bot to show changes in articles for each WikiProject. . This requires endorsement for at least one other member. We used to have such a bot created by the German wikipedia, but since the changes last year, this bot no longer operates, making it impossible to watch all the changes made to the articles in our WikiProject. I suppose I can rely on your cooperation. By the way, great work on the nudibranchs ! JoJan (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll certainly support that JoJan. It must be a huge job trying to keep an eye on all of it. I'm pleased with the progress I'm making and I know there are a lot of taxonomic changes and new species coming in the next few years so it will be useful to have a quick reference to original descriptions and type localities. Wikipedia is perfect for that, as well as a way of connecting science with the general reader. I'm adding photographs where I have them too.BernardP (talk) 22:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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International Nudibranch Day?
Dear Bernard, I want to ask you if you are familiar with the concept of "International Nudibranch Day", which is supposedly March 6th. A few days ago, on March 4th, a user who I discovered later was Nerida Wilson of the Australia Museum started a stub on this topic. The stub had no references and I was unable to find any suitable references for it. The article almost got "speedy-deleted" as a blatant hoax. However, I "rescued" it by turning it into an article called Symposia and workshops on opisthobranchs. I worked out who User:Ngwilson probably was, found an email address for her, and emailed her about it. I don't think she really understands that Wikipedia is an entirely different kettle of fish from Facebook. I have already put more than two hours work into finding out what was going on and trying to save the article. Now I am asking one or two people if IND is a real thing or not. Do you have any idea? Thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Info about categories
Hello, take a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gastropods, please. It seems that some actions will be necessary. Let us to know, if you wanna keep the category. Thanks. Have a nice day. --Snek01 (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2016 (UTC) My fault, I think. Actually because some families of nudibranchs were very small and there is currently much uncertainty about families which is likely to be affected by molecular revisions I felt that a listing of all nudibranch species in a single category would be more useful. A listing by family seemed almost useless to me. But the Nudipleura category was already much in use I think? BernardP (talk) 18:43, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand your reasoning. We use universal categorization scheme in Category:Gastropod families even if there is only one species in the family. There is virtually a category for each family. Category:Nudipleura will not help us, because it differ from Category:Nudipleura with the only additional family. Moreover categories are usually suitable for less than 200 articles.

How exactly do you use such category? Do you need overview of species only? How about to make a list? Either just for yourself or as a list in Wikipedia Article namespace. There is List of mantis genera and species and a list of nudibranchs would be of similar size. List can have some advantages over category. List can be written in systematic order and then can be sorted alphabetically with a single click. You can have redlinks in the list. List can also show additional info such as family, authority, year of description, ... See very simple example bellow. Could a list fits your needs? --Snek01 (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * User:Peter coxhead thanks! I've been implementing Speciesbox instead of Taxobox in some nudibranch articles and I found some missing ranks. I'll take another look at what I did and watch out for capitalisation in future.BernardP (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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