User talk:Carthage44


 * I can confirm that such a message was sent to ArbCom, where the user was advised on WP:OFFER and alerted to the fact that the community was likely to insist on the usual six months without socking, and that the community would likely not look kindly on the existence of User:Jtaylor2017., I'll ping you FYI. I have not perused all this user's edits; the ones I looked at seem fine, the usual sports edits. I just wish they'd been smart enough to do all this before creating the last couple of socks. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you again Drmies for taking the time to look into my case. The sockpuppeting was done just because I was trying to leave the poor decisions that I had made with this user name. I was just trying to get a fresh start. I honestly wasn't trying to "stick it to the man" I just wanted to edit sports pages and make them as accurate and up to date as possible. I really would like to "speak" to Bagumba to express how sorry I am for everything I did in the past. I would like to work with Bagumba on making these sports pages better together. I think if I get a second chance, I can show everyone that I have changed/matured into a upstanding citizen and worthy member of Wikipedia. I have children now and always want to sent a good example for them. That is what am doing now as a father and I think some of those same rules apply when using this site. Again, thank you to everyone that has or will be looking into this. I really appreciate it. Carthage44 (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Carthage44: Thank you for coming forward. I appreciate the kind words, but I'm not too worried about anything you might have said immediately after a block, and more concerned with your history of editing conflicts with others. There's this recent edit summary directed at you, "Please do not undo peoples edits just to re-do them minutes later like I just did. It messes up the edit history. Whether it is in 1 edit or multiple, the changes are made. Leave them please, nobody owns this page", which is also consistent with your behavior described in past SPI reports. Can you tell us why this style of editing should no longer be considered an issue? Are there any other habits you will try to change, and why? Finally are there any other accounts you have used in the past that have not been blocked?  Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 08:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , thank you for contacting me so we can have an open discussion on these issues. To your question if I have any accounts that are not blocked, since I am being truly honest and open with everyone, ChiSox2005 which I would only use to update only Chicago White Sox pages but I have not used that account in months. I know in the past I have reverted edits or undid edits and then re-entered them. I do clearly understand now that I DO NOT OWN any of the pages that I edit. I now just want to make the pages I edit as accurate as possible no matter who edits the page first. I no longer want to sockpuppet for multiple reasons: it is wrong, it feels dirty and I want my user name to be carthage44 (the college I graduated from and my football number :). I understand that by typing all this doesn't mean a whole lot but that being said I am being very sincere and would like to prove it to you most of all Bagumba and the rest of the Wikipedia community. In the past I worked alone and did everything because I was selfish. Now, I have learned that people depend on me and I am not here to just lookout for myself. I really truly hope that I can go back to editing THE RIGHT WAY and make all my wrongs right! Hope to hear back from you soon. Thank you very much! Carthage44 (talk) 14:40, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Carthage44: The bulk of your edits are an asset to Wikipedia, esp. your major additions to Wisconsin Badgers and Chicago White Sox articles. However, your negative has been your edit warring (not just with this original account, but also with later socks Redmen44 (2014) and Destiny7awaits (2015), and your habit of reverting others' edits (esp. reverting consecutive edits one by one) just to restore the information yourself with only minor changes. Another admin can decide how to proceed with your current unblock request. In the meantime, you are reminded to not create any new accounts or edit while logged out. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 12:40, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , thank you for noticing that MOST of my edits have been an asset to the site. The edit warring is a thing of the past. I understand that I do not own the page and if someone edits the page correctly before I get to it, then great less work for me. I have not created any accounts and have stayed away from editing except for my talk page here. I know you said another Admin can decide on how to proceed with my unblock request but do you have any idea how long it will/may take? I was hoping to show everyone how I have changed for the better. Also, if you put in a good word for me it would be much appreciated since you are a respected Admin in the community. Thank you again! Carthage44 (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I blocked this account five years ago. It didn't appear to have any effect in restraining the user from continuing to edit. ChiSox2005, was created this year and made around 850 edits until as recently as early October. I think another six months without any editing at all and no further sockpuppetry would be long enough for me to be convinced of the editor's good will. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * , I appreciate you commenting but those accounts were created to HELP Wikipedia and the edits I made were valuable. If you have read the comments above MOST of my edits in the past 5+ years have been a valuable asset to the site. I think I have also explained and discussed my downfalls in the past and I am ready to move on in a positive way. Let me show you that by unblocking me please. I have been without the user name (carthage44) for too long and want to restore myself as a valuable user on this great site. Please show some good faith in me during this beautiful holiday season. What a great gift it would be to be able to show everyone that I have changed for the better. I can be put on a probationary period or a short leash to show everyone that this time is different. Thank you. Carthage44 (talk) 14:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Appeals of this kind to my better nature won't sway my opinion, I'm afraid. You have continued to edit until very recently in flagrant defiance of the 2012 block, even creating yet another account this year and using it as recently as October.  This does not rhyme with your statement that I highlighted in green above, or your claims of improved maturity. A block is a block and concerns the person, not just one or another of their accounts. Whether those accounts were created to help Wikipedia and/or whether the edits you made were beneficial to the project, editing while blocked or banned is a serious breach of one of our most important rules.
 * You are welcome to wait for a decision from another admin but their answer will also probably be WP:OFFER. Note: I have done the long overdue block on your ChiSox2005 account, and will block any others I find. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:37, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 *  or any other reviewing admin: The above AN discussion was auto-archived at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive299.—Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

December 2018
I am considering unblocking this user under the terms of WP:SO. What are your thoughts? --Yamla (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I've read through Sockpuppet investigations/Carthage44/Archive. I thik ad  sahould also  be asked for their opinions. This socking  spans a period of many  years and I would need to  be conviced that just six months has changed for the good. Also ask BB23 to run a fresh CU. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:29, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no evidence of socking. I must say that I'm probably not the best CheckUser to look at this. I know nothing about the case, and I believe there are other CUs who do, e.g., and .--Bbb23 (talk) 01:38, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As I always say, CUs can't prove a negative. It's easy to sit on an IP that is blocked and have no contribs for 6 months, while editing elsewhere where a CU couldn't find it. This phrase is not meant to imply guilt, just a warning. That said, if we do see an unblock here, I would like to see a 1RR provision for at least 6 months given the lengthy block record (including one of my own blocks) for edit warring, and their subsequent reaction to that. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 04:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Potential IP edits I did a quick browse of, one of Carthage44's past favorite pages. I found 2601:240:4A80:5735:* and 73.210.38.35, which are Illinois-based (like past socks) IPs that edit strictly regarding Wisconsin Badger sports. Now this would be weak behviorial evidence for most SPIs, but makes me uneasy (at best) based on their history of lying in past unblock requests about not editing.—Bagumba (talk) 06:32, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth it was not me that edited that page. I have stayed away from editing on the site for over 6 months. Illinois has many Badger fans and to put a whole state on me does not seem fair. I understand the concern but because a edit was done in Illinois does not always mean it was me. It's a pretty large state and many UW alumni live in the connecting state of Illinois. Thanks again for your time in this matter. Carthage44 (talk) 13:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The CU tools may not  be perfect, but they  do  reveal a lot more information than just a geolocation. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:43, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

June 2019

 * Inclined to unblock. Thoughts?  Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 19:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Checkuser evidence here is inconclusive, leaning toward no evidence of block evasion. I suggest another checkuser review the evidence before anyone consider unblocking, but I expect that review will also find no evidence of recent block evasion. I'll note, though, that this user hasn't addressed their prior block evasion from 2019. Indeed, the most recently declined unblock request lied about it. "Another 6+ months have passed and no edits made on my behalf" but they had indeed been editing at that time. Certainly, almost three years has passed since then but I'd still expect to see this lie addressed in an unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What is it that I need to do to "prove" that I am worthy for an unblock? Carthage44 (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)