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Hm. Tserkezie really is a paraplegic? There's a joke somewhere about typecasting, I can just feel it. DS 02:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Cheltenham League
Chris, thank you for you attention to the Cheltenham league page, but please, instead of deleting facts about the the league (and suggesting that newspaper reports are simply an idividuals rant) maybe your time would be best spent updating the teams in each division? Other than that it looks like you are doing a great job - keep it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.129.249.240 (talk) 09:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Margate F.C.
Chris, well done by the way on getting the Margate F.C. page up to FA class :-)

I've added a picture I took (admittedly it's not fantastic quality) at the pre-season friendly against Dover the other week and have replaced the match action pic from 2005 that was there before. In the process I somehow managed to mess up and claim that I owned the MargateFC2005 pic as well :-( (not sure how to remove that mistake..first time I've uploaded an image on here!)-Pk0503 00:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Request to edit trostre afc
Hi. I am jordz mcguire, i was wondering if you could help me, the article about trostre afc is a mess, could you in any way help me? please! please edit my page with an answer of yes/no. please will you help? i need you!

Kennek Ryhope C.A. F.C.
Hi Chris,

Welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for you contributions, specially to Kennek Ryhope C.A. F.C.. Actually the problem with the article is more than it's formatting. Most of the text in it is a direct copy-paste from the club website's History page and the Player profile page, and hence a clear copyright violation. We need to change it around and make sure we don't violate any copyrights. Do drop me a note to let me know if you want to work on it, or if you want a hand. Happy editing! -Aabha (talk) 17:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Yeah, a plain list will be good. Have a look at Dorchester Town F.C., for instance. By the way, thought you might be interested in WikiProject Non-league football. We've only just started it, do join on, if you're keen. -Aabha (talk) 17:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Gillingham FC Manager
In the middle of your good work on the Gillingham page last week, somebody operating from an IP number deleted the caretaker tag next to Ronnie J's name. My instinct is to re-instate it, because I don't remember his appointment as being confirmed, but I thought, in deference to your good work, I would run it past you first. What do you reckon?


 * I dunno what his official status is - I've never heard an announcement that he had signed a "full" contract, but then PDPS has stated that he'll still be manager next season even if we get relegated. My instinct would be to leave it on until such time as it's announced that he signed a full contract (thanks for the nice comments, BTW)ChrisTheDude 08:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess if there are 2 people here likely to respond to a Gills related request, that's us! My error in saying Gill's acknowledged, but a possible semantic debate about whether Gills is an adjective or a noun: Gills keeper or Gills' keeper ;) Kevin McE 18:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

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Template:WMRL}
Hi! Thanks for creating the WMRL template and adding it to the club pages. If you are interested in doig more of the same, you might want to have a look at User:tompw/leaguetemplates. There's plenty of links and some notes to make sure they all work in the same way. Hope you find it useful. Tompw 13:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Non-league
Hey Chris,

What source do you use for the club histories, etc? Aabha (talk) 11:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Aabha

Mostly I just do web searches. Some club websites have a good history section, others don't but I have found good stuff elsewhere. The history I added this morning to Hythe Town F.C. came from a cached version of a defunct page on (I think) the Maidstone United website! ChrisTheDude 14:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok..do let me know if you come across a good site though. Thanks. Aabha (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
I want to say Thanks for updating Abingdon United FC!!! Now I have to do is make sure that the stub is no longer needed but I needed help for de-stubbing the article, do you know how to look at the article and cleared it for de-stubbing??

Rakuten06 23:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I have de-stubbed the article.  The non-league project page suggests that an article can be de-stubbed if it includes:

The article on Abingdon seems to meet these criteria OK..... ChrisTheDude 12:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) * Details of league played in, and rough geographic location (county / borough).
 * 2) * Completed infobox
 * 3) * Brief history and club records (Football Club History Database is useful here, but always cite your sources)
 * 4) * Link to club website
 * 5) * League template

FCHD links
That's okay - I only created Template:fchd recently. The main reason for changing all the links over to use a template is because the site is apparently moving to a new address over the summer, so by changing the template to the new address, all the templated links will change over automatically. (Otherwise I'd probably be doing something more interesting :) — sjorford++ 14:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

ROTR
I'm thinking of now nominating Roy of the Rovers for good article status, since a lot of work has been done on it of late to make it tighter and more concise - this is why I've been doing things like trimming the length of the contents and merging certain sections. However, articles need to be considered "stable" before people can really consider them - so I was wondering if you had any more information you were going to add to it any time soon? If I can mention in the nomination that, while there have been recent edits making it look "unstable", the two main contributors (i.e. me and you) feel it is more settled, then that might help its case. If, however, you're looking to add anything else any time soon, then let me know. I think, though, that with the latest round of tidying up (including adding new bits of clarification like sorting out the Hot Shot Hamish info), it seems pretty tight now - but I thought I'd see what you think.

I'd love to see the page as a Featured Article one day, but I doubt that'd happen any time soon - I don't think there's enough secondary material available online to be able to provide citations for all the info that it's lacking (it wouldn't really meet the "comprehensive" criterion of FAs, but I think its coverage is wide enough for a GA). Plus I don't think that an article with only two major contributors would be looked on particularly favourably - but I do reckon it might have a decent shout at being "Good", which is at least the first step. Seb Patrick 15:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me - I say go for it! I certainly can't think of anything significant and new that needs to be added - I think everything that needs to be said is covered as it stands, so I'd be happy to leave it alone for a while so that it "stabilises".  As the contributor who's done the lion's share of the work on the article you certainly ought to get some recognition for a job well done, in my opinion, so it would be great to see it acclaimed as a GA! ChrisTheDude 06:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Re : Hamish & Mouse
Excellent. I noticed you already made a Hot Shot Hamish redirect, too - so I took the liberty of adding a disambig link at the top of Mighty Mouse. Now that they have an article themselves, I may strip out some of the info from the RotR article to make it a bit more concise... Seb Patrick 13:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Kaka
Your recent edit, dear friend, casts a slight doubt on the impartiality of things, putting it in 'good english' is one thing, however disregarding the complete honesty and sincerity, a signature of the pillars of wikipedia, is completely offenisive to a croatian supporter.


 * OK, please accept my apologies, although as I only changed "vital and necessary" to "vital", I'm not sure why this would cause offence. After all, "vital" and "necessary" mean exactly the same thing, so all I was doing was reducing two words with the same meaning to one word.  But if I have by doing so caused offence, then I apologise..... ChrisTheDude 20:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The New Saints F.C.
When you want to move a page, you should always use the move button at the top of the page, rather than copying and pasting. Otherwise, the history of the article is split between two pages. I've merged the histories together now, but this is just a heads up for the future! — sjorford++ 09:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hiya. As I recall, I did this because someone had already set up The New Saints F.C. and made it a re-direct page.  I didn't think you could use move to move a page to a name that already existed.  Could you let me know what the procedure is to move a page under these circumstances, so I know for the future?  Thanks for the heads-up, and apologies for any trouble caused..... ChrisTheDude 09:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can move a page over an existing redirect, but only if (a) the redirect points to the page you're trying to move, and (b) the redirect has only one line in its history. Otherwise an administrator needs to delete it first. If you do want to move a page over a redirect, and find that it won't let you, it should be listed on Requested moves — this was originally set up to deal with moves that need discussing first, but now deals with obstructed moves as well. If it's obvious and clearly uncontroversial an administrator will quite often do a speedy move. Alternatively you could post a note to WikiProject Football, and somebody will probably pick it up. (Also, it's no trouble really — I just like to keep things properly neat and tidy :) — sjorford++ 11:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Tommy's Troubles
I'm guessing you were a bit of a fan of that particular strip, then? ;-) Nice article to start with, there, it's just a shame that so little online information exists about these strips, so barely any references can be included in the articles.

I'd be tempted to set up a WikiProject for "Football comics", to try and organise all this work, but I'm not sure there'd be enough people around who'd be interested in contributing! I may look into it, though. One or two of the other strips are probably worth their own entries, as are comics like Scorcher. If I can get hold of some more White/Mitchell-era ROTR issues off eBay, then maybe some articles on the likes of Playmaker and Goalmouth could be forthcoming, not to mention trying to get some ROTR monthly issues to help fill out that sorely-lacking info... Seb Patrick 13:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

853 issues
I'm guessing that that information came from the Comic Book Price Guide that you listed under "sources"... is there any chance you have a precise page number with that information on it, so that we can put an inline citation into the article? Seb Patrick 08:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll have a look when I get home tonight - should be able to get the ISBN then as well.... ChrisTheDude 08:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

ROTR FA
I've taken the plunge and nominated ROTR for Featured status! No idea how it'll do, but I think we've worked it up to a decent state, so it'll be interesting to see what comments it attracts. Fingers crossed! Seb Patrick 15:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The new FAR/FARC process
Hi Chris

I noticed your excellent contributions to Roy of the Rovers on the FAC page, and wondered whether you'd be interested in dropping into WP:FAR occasionally (or often) to encourage, prod, critique, and—when the crunch comes—to declare "Keep" or "Remove". You seem to be oriented towards certain aspects of popular culture and ?perhaps sport.

The new FAR process is now being swamped with nominations (currently 23 in FAR and 13 in FARC), and the four or five regulars are finding it difficult to service the needs of such a large process. The ideal is to encourage the guardians of the many substandard FAs to fix them; sometimes this happens, but all too often, a nomination is met with disinterest by those you'd have thought would be keen.

The contribution of more good reviewers there, particularly those who are focused on good writing, would have a powerful impact on the FA culture in WP.

Tony 08:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Tony
 * Thanks for the message, and if you feel I'm up to the task, I'll certainly stop by. Up to now I think I'd been a bit wary of sticking my oar into things like FAR, AfD, etc as I still felt like a bit of a new/low standard Wikipedian and didn't want to step on any toes, but I'd certainly be more than happy to help out!!!! ChrisTheDude 08:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The Pleasure of your company?
Are you coming to The Den tonight? Cheers,Lion King 15:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * 'Fraid not dude, as I live oop north I'd have needed to take the afternoon off work to get down there in time for the match, and my boss wouldn't let me. Ho hum, sounds like he did me a favour though :-) ChrisTheDude 06:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * OOP NORTH??? God, the Sadism of some employers know no bounds! I thought you were still in the Garden of England - luvley innit?. My Sister in law lives in Marden, we visit at least twice a week. Your mob played well if it's any consolation, should have been a replay. My wife says you don't look like a Div, she says you look like a "dear little lad"! Cas is a really nice bloke, and was always aware of who really paid his wages, not in the least pretentious, unlike  Judas. Blimey, I've typed yer screen off! Watch out for flying ferrets! Be lucky, Lion King 11:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

An FAC
In case you've got some time to glance over it, I've got (video game music composer) Frank Klepacki sitting in FAC. I blew a tire from working on it seven or eight hours yesterday, so my strategic distance is toast. I'll probably do some kind of hardcopy or reference-less copyediting today, but I'm asking for assistance on a few talk pages just in case. Thanks for considering. --Zeality 15:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

question
hi. why gillingham is in poor financial situation? Superzohar 09:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for contacting me!
Yeah, I was trying to get all of the divisions divided into a promotion relegation table, which shows directly which league they go into if a team from a specific league is promoted or relegated. Thanks! (Pieboyjr 13:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC))

FA Cup 2006-07
Chris - well done on the table idea. Should look really smart once it's finished =)

Just as a FYI - the whole article is to be shipped and moved to a dedicated Qualifying article once the First Round Proper begins - the new destination is in the talk page.

Articles for deletion/PAEEK
your comment: FWIW Cowes Sports don't play amateur football in level 17 Isle of Wight Saturday Football League (3rd division), they are in the Wessex League Premier Division, which is level 9 ChrisTheDude 10:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Then why is there a link from here: Isle of Wight Saturday Football League to here: Cowes Sports F.C.? (try it!) StephP 14:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

FA Cup tables
Heh - well done on finishing the tables. I think this could be a perfect model for next year, so hopefully this will begin the tradition. Now...what to do now? doktorb wordsdeeds 14:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Jepson on List of English Football League managers by date of appointment
Hi Chris. As you may be aware, I just created List of English Football League managers by date of appointment. I have the refs pretty much sorted, but one of things I'm missing is a permamnent date for Jepson's appointment. I notice further up on this page there's a bit of indecision about an announcement, I was just wondering if there ever was one? HornetMike 17:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Baffling isn't it? I did spend quite a while looking for a permanent thing on the BBC and on Google. Maybe they've never bothered to confirm it and he's still caretaker boss?! HornetMike 22:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Searching on the BBC website, this is the probably the closest I can find to a permanent appointment. Is that the bizarre Scally statement you were referring to? HornetMike
 * Great, thanks. I'll build something on it. Cheers, HornetMike 21:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Re Jermaine Jenas
The bit about his gran asking him to inform commentators about how to pronounce his surname is actually true. I dunno if you remember when he 1st joined Newcastle everyone called him Jenas (Jen-as) but his family pronounce it JEnas (Jean-as), so this is why all the commentators changed. (a bit like when the learned how to pronounce Kuyt) Anyway just thought let you know. I can't be bothered at moment to put it back up but if I do, it is because its true.

"Do not add Thomas and Friends" comment on CBeebies list
What an excellent idea. I wish I'd thought of it. Nice one. Tonywalton | Talk 21:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

CBeebies songs
I wonder if the CBeebies article could do with a section on the "fixed" songs, something like User:Tonywalton/CBeebies songs (which needs work, hence it's being a subpage at the moment!) What do you think? Tonywalton | Talk 12:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ava/Eva: Oops. I knew that (blush). Re the segmentation yes, it was divided into (I guess) five two-hour segments plus the Bedtime Hour (At a guess the 6am - 8am slot was unthemed). The song was something like:


 * Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday Friday,
 * Saturday, Sunday, what's the day?
 * (repeat)
 * You can catch a bus on a CBeebies day,
 * You can play with us on a CBeebies day,
 * You can play on your own or have a friend to stay
 * On a wonderful CBeebies day
 * (Monday, Tuesday, etc)

(I forget the rest, probably thankfully!)

As I recall each presenter of the five had their own "room", which was colour-themed. Sid: green, Pui: red (possibly a Po hangover!), Chris: blue, Nicole: orange and Sue: pink. Each segment was, as I said, themed: Chris: music (for instance the dreadful Zingalong, which I can't bring myself to write an article about as NPOV does have its limits), Sid: making and building, Nicole: animals. I forget Pui's and Sue's themes. Come to thnk of it, if I can recall any more this should be in the article itself, not in "Songs". This is possibly where the concept of "core presenters" came from, I suppose (though that's just OR on my part). I think I'll go ahead with the Songs bit and ask on the talkpage if anyone else remembers this stuff. Tonywalton | Talk 13:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Request
Excuse me for interrupting you, where may I see the notability of a football club or non-professional football league like Skitfrith AFC (Spelling mistake possible) Rakuten06 00:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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Whitnap F.C.
Saw you rightfully prodded that article. The editor who created it also created several more, but my somewhat limited knowledge of lower level football is hampering me. Do you want to take a look at them and see if any need to be kept? Thanks. One Night In Hackney 09:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Didn't think there would be anything worth salvaging, but wasn't sure of the notability of minor leagues 30+ years ago.  One Night In Hackney 12:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Ford Sporting League
Hi Chris,

Quite a while ago you made some points on the talk page for the Ford Sporting League. I've just recently made an addition and a couple of smaller edits to this article, and thought I might try and answer these concerns.

Hi Chris,

Quite a while ago you made some points on the talk page for the Ford Sporting League. I've just recently made an addition and a couple of smaller edits to this article, and thought I might try and answer these concerns.


 * 1) You say "in addition to the standard practice of awarding points for goals scored - this is not "standard practice" in English football at all...'' I have corrected this and stated what the points system was.
 * 2) You say "The Football League itself, however, turned down an offer of £600,000 to sponsor its final" - what final would that be then?  The Football League does not have a "final".....'' I think someone else had already dealt with this and clarified that it was the League Cup final that was being referred to.
 * 3) You say Also, this article could do with being expanded to clarify the nature of this competition - was it a reserves/youth league?  If it was a first team competition, how did it fit in with the clubs' existing football league programme?  Was it a summer tournament?  Some clarification is definitely needed...... This is probably the most important of your concerns, and I must admit, it has somewhat flummoxed me, in spite of my having looked up various sources on the competition. It was certainly a senior (rather than a reserve or youth) competition, but I can find no record of matches being played for it, so my guess is that no additional matches were played for the competition, but rather points were derived from existing league fixtures- but to be honest, this is just a guess. I really don't know. If you can ever find out what the situation was really, I'd really love to know!

Robotforaday 16:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Green quarters for football kit
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AC Olympia Football Club
Hi Chris

You are spot on regarding the notable ex-players on my article. Whilst none of these players went on to play professional, they all have a great reputation with the club and within the local community. Two of these players have unique claim to fames. Andy Trueman played against Wimbledon 2 months after the won the FA Cup in a friendly against Shanklin FC, and Allan Cairns, dropped Prince William, from the St Andrew University football team.

I understand that my article (AC Olympia Football Club) is marked for deletion because we play at a low level of the national pyramid system. What do we have to do to keep this article on-line. We are a well known club in our County, and we are looking to expand and introduce youth sides. As you will see from the clubs official website, we have received over 5000 hits.Acoly 23:22, 21 January 2007

AfD accident
Thanks for that - very embarrassing! XD Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 10:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Midanbury F.C.
Help! I've proposed the article Midanbury F.C. for deletion as its a re-creation of an article that was deleted previously, but I'm in a complete muddle about how to get it on to the WikiProject Football page. As you've done this before, can you help?

You may care to note that the originator of this article has created/re-created several more relating to non-notable football clubs, many of which were also deleted in November. If you look at the User's contributions page, you'll see what I mean.

Sorry to burden you with this, but although I'm relatively up to scratch on creating and editing articles, the finer points of deletion still confuse me. Thanks. Daemonic Kangaroo 16:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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And It's Arsenal Afd
You recently !voted in this Afd. I've just seen one of the other prods was contested, for We all follow the Arsenal and have included it in the Afd and would welcome further comment. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 21:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

World Cup 2022
(counts on fingers) Oh yeah...three times four years and all that. Whoops..... =P doktorb wordsdeeds 10:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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Weston-super-Mare grounds question - response
Chris - I think the old ground was called Woodspring Park, and the new one Woodspring Stadium, but I've always just known both as Winterstoke Road! The references to the ground (car park, stands) etc. in the main club article also refer to the old ground, not the current one. - fchd 09:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers Richard, I'll clear that all up when I finish working on the article at lunchtime..... ChrisTheDude 09:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Salisbury City F.C.
Congrats on the improvements on this page - as an occasional follower of their results (mainly because Nick Holmes was one of my favourite players at Southampton), I've often wanted to expand their history, but have always found other things to distract me.

If you want to take this further, I understand that a history of the club will be published this summer. Perhaps I should splash out and buy a copy, and then expand the club's article even more. Anyway, I guess I had better do some work! Give yourself a pat on the back. Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo 08:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Harrow Borough
Just some notes as we are both working on the boro page.


 * I'll add back in the manager bit not forgetting to say that 1985 saw him retire.


 * They were offered promotion twice as back then the top team wasn't automatically promoted. Ground regulation rules meant that you had to be 'invited' to join the conference league and not being top didn't stop them inviting you.

Thanks for your editing work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harrow Red (talk • contribs) 18:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

fan's/fans'
On the Guylain Ndumbu-Nsungu page. How embarrassing: I went over that distinction with my class of 8/9 year olds yesterday! Kevin McE 08:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)
Hi, seeing you have been involved in previous Afd debates I invite you to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! StephP 17:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/West Yorkshire Sunday League
You said the article had been deleted previously - I can delete the article if it's been the subject of a previous AfD (but not a prod or speedy) but I can't find it anywhere - can you let me know where it was? Thanks. Qwghlm 21:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK no fear, we'll just wait out the AfD process. It's a goner for sure. Qwghlm 21:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Gills
I was just about to come here and commend you on your stelring efforts when I came accross your message on my talk page. I have tended to be remiss in my wiki efforts over references, so I'm afraid I can't advise you, but the bottom of the page is slightly chaotic at the moment(I see that you have solved it: the trouble that one / can do eh?. Am slightly worried that you headed for the (metaphorical?) pub at 8:30 yeasterday morning.  You'll see I have made a couple of minor tweaks to your work.  Keep it up.  UTG  Kevin McE 12:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You'll have seen that I've had a semantics trawl through it. ODS/Badger Blue of the message board has a reputation as a pedant: I wonder if he could be brought on board to review this. Kevin McE 12:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers for the assist with the "copy editing", always good to get a teacher's view on such things ;-) ChrisTheDude 12:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Brilliant work: thoroughly deserved w/end off (in Chesterfield?). Kevin McE 11:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that you found Gillingham Football Club managers' records; I am lso gradually turning this into this, although I see that there are other Xxxx F.C. seasons pages, so I will rename it when I'm done Kevin McE 09:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Bloody Hell: that was a fast response to my rename. Do you have HOTSM or some other source of top scorers each season, or shall I enquire on the message boards?  Now that we have a number of sub-articles, should we have a template, such as Template:Swindon Town F.C.? Kevin McE 09:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Football league template
Alrite Chris, not sure how open you are to a new idea on this, but, I believe that the current football league infobox lacks a bit of sparkle, and was wandering if you were open to suggestions on a new one? Cintrianex 10:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

A.F.C. Portchester
Is that a good stub to work on for me?? Rakuten06 15:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the A.F.C. Portchester page, adding the players, history, and achievements, is it done or want me to add more tomorrow?? Rakuten06 17:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, got the infobox up (I'm unexperienced with infoboxes), and pulled the links off the players, now what do you think?? Rakuten06 15:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I just following Players' List on FA Website, now want me to get started on another team - A.F.C. Totton?? Rakuten06 21:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we get started on this: Alresford Town F.C.?? Rakuten06 16:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I decided to follow my way of choosing stubs, so I can finish the article once a month, so do you think that Acle United F.C. is a good stub to start in the month of May?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rakuten06 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

2006 FIFA World Cup
The relevance is immediately visible for everyone who knows the bribery affair story, as is layed out in Titanic (magazine). The World Cup would have taken place in South Africa without Sonnerborn's intervention. It's 1) true, 2) it's interesting, informative and relevant, and 3) I can provide any sources you want, it was a major news event in Germany in 2000. —AldeBaer 16:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The German Wikipedia even features an article on an exposition devoted to the hoax, entitled de:Wie Titanic einmal die Fußball-WM 2006 nach Deutschland holte ("How Titanic once brought the Football World Cup 2006 to Germany"). Here's Der Spiegel writing about it: . Here's the BBC covering the affair ,. Relevant enough? —AldeBaer 16:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The whole story is in the Titanic article, no need to copy it over. The Host selection section is the most appropriate place in the 2006 FIFA World Cup article. Where else would you suggest? —AldeBaer 16:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a look, and don't hesitate to make changes. —AldeBaer 17:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Gills Peer Review
Hey, I've added some comments here. Feel free to get in touch if you'd like further discussion! All the best, The Rambling Man 16:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've replied about graphs on my talk page, but just thought of one other thing you could improve in the article, when you cite books, use "p1" or "pp2-32" in the "page" field so the footnotes say "p1" instead of "1", just looks better. The Rambling Man 08:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added all the p's for you and optimised some of the pages you've cited more than once. I think the article is in a really good state now, how about considering putting it up for featured article nomination?  The Rambling Man 11:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice one, I see it's up for nomination now. Do me a favour and cast your eyes over my pet project, the Italian football champions which I've just nominated for featured list will you?  Comments/support etc welcome here!  Good luck with the Gills... The Rambling Man 07:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

FA Cup 1872-73
I see you've finished this page off. I spotted it earlier this morning and started tidying it up with a view to finishing it this weekend, but you've beat me to it! I'm sure I can find something else to do tomorrow, like seeing if Saints can beat Leeds and get back into contention for the play-offs. Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo 11:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Mamady Sidibe
After looking of RSSSF the goal against the Seychelles is his only competitive international goal, no further info about friendlies. Oldelpaso 18:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * African Nations Cup 2004, African Nations Cup 2006 / World Cup qualifiers. full list of Mali results. Oldelpaso 18:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Gillingham F.C.
I worked on this article a bit on Monday but I only just got round to all the little tweaks and things I thought it needed to become an FA - sorry for dawdling. One thing - I wikified the list of managers, it may well be worth creating stubs so the redlinks are reduced but I do not think this is an obstacle to FA nomination. Sorry if this puts more work on you - but hey, Wikipedia's all about adding in new stuff. :) Qwghlm 14:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

FA
Hey Chris, well done on getting the FA for the Gills. I've added your star, go check it out! Once the article is promoted, you can add the star yourself... place at the top of the page. All the best! The Rambling Man 10:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great work, thoroughly deserved. If only the Gills could get promoted up a level or 2... Kevin McE 13:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

In reply to your question, it looks like Rambling Man has added the star. With FAs you can add the star yourself. Good work. Gimmetrow 13:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
If I been badgering you to make sure I got good stubs to start, I apologize for it, I want to make sure that If I edited the stub and it was nominated for deletion, all my work has wasted on it, so I want to make sure I got the right stubs to start. Rakuten06 15:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I searched for the link of Acle United F.C., but it's not found, so I try Football Club History Database and the website is gone... so what should we do?? Rakuten06 15:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to find any links to Acle United F.C., but to no luck, so what should I do now? Please help me!! Rakuten06 17:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about this: Alveston F.C., do you think that it is reasonable?? I will change my user page to exclude Acle United F.C., unwatch it and replace those pages with Alveston F.C., is that all right?? Rakuten06 02:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Alveston F.C.
Yeah, I agree with you, this team played to the league, barely! The required minimum for club article in England to make it is Step 10, right? Rakuten06 17:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So I make sure that A.F.C. Portchester is the article to qualify, but it didn't- the team in step 11 of the National League System (Wessex League Division Two), so what should I do?? Rakuten06 23:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hess
It is quite proper that you do so, but you are quite ruthless in your quest for citations. You've tagged things that I put in when I made the Hessenthaler page, which I don't think can be evidenced unless a trawl through v old GillsConnect message boards or something similar were poss. I understand the criterion of verifiability, but popular opinion and anecdotal comment, while at times encyclopedically relevant (IMHO), is not usually kept in an easily indexed archive. Kevin McE 17:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That Hess was building himself a house during his disappointning 2nd season was an unchallenged and universally held terrace rumour, but where it might be recorded: heaven knows.
 * Anyone who heard any conversation between Gills fans during his last couple of seasons as managers knows that he was criticised for preferring "his mates", whether or not he did might be a moot point: but th enature of supporter criticism is that it is not formally recorded, except possibly in old BMHs.
 * Ken Bates' admiration for Hess might be traceable in old match programmes or Kent Messengers from shortly after the game, likewise...
 * Scally's "I'll never sack Hess" was widely quoted in the weeks and months before he resigned, in those publications and might be deep in the archive of the official site.
 * Dover's website makes for an interesting exercise in circular referencing. Where you have (understandably) asked for citations, they have quoted my words from the article.  Can I now cite www.doverathletic.com as evidence for the claims?  Does Wiki policy foresee this?  Kevin McE 11:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey
As you seem to be the "main Peep Show guy", I've decided to make a page for each episode, see the talk page of Peep Show for the full pitch, and here User:Gran2/Sandbox, for the basic framework they will each be at their creation. Gran2 15:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Right every episode, up to and including tonights now has a page. Synopsis need to be expanded, especially for series 1. And production sections need to be added for those episodes with DVD commentaries. If you want to help out, the certainly feel free. Gran2 22:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Chasetown F.C. season 2006-07
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Baldock Town F.C.
While I can see why you have "Prodded" the above page, perhaps a better idea would be to clean up the minor team stuff and replace it with an article on the ex-Southern League club (who were definitely notable) and have just a passing mention to the re-formed outfit. I may have a go at this tomorrow (out at the Vase final all day today). - fchd 07:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage - much appreciated. Qwghlm 14:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ditto. Thanks again. SteveO 16:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

White space?
Hi, I'm trying to understand what you mean by "massive white space" on the York League article. This is a screen shot of what I'm seeing.

- The Daddy 21:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah that must be it, I'm on FireFox at the moment. - The Daddy 23:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know I've fixed it now and checked it in Internet Explorer. Looks far better. - The Daddy 04:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Derry City F.C./archive2
Would you be willing to add your support to the nomination of Derry City F.C. for FA status? Cheers. Danny InvincibleTalk 18:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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use of shorthand "K" to represent thousands is not encyclopedic
I don't understand that, what do you mean it's not encyclopedic? Govvy 10:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Michelle/Carla
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Craig Armstrong
Fair enough, but the BBC's transfers list has him down. Mattythewhite 20:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Alveston F.C.
Sorry if I'm absent for a while, but here's the bad news: Alveston F.C. finished last place, so they will relegate to the first division, which is Step 11, so what should I do with this article?? Please help me with this article!! Rakuten06 18:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked over the links provided by the people in this article, and I'm not sure it would be insufficient information for me to work on the article, so what should I do??

P.S. Please send me the link to English clubs stubs... Rakuten06 21:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

New Milton Town
I see you have placed them back in the Wessex League. While I know they have resigned from the Southern League, they have not yet been accepted to the Wessex League, and if they are it is still not certain which division they will join, as the proposed constitution is already full at 22 clubs. - fchd 12:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Jack Redshaw
added AfD tag to article, which did not appear to have been done correctly - always worth checking the history in these situations, a user is removing the tag repeatedly. Oldelpaso 17:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Margate FC
Hey Chris, thanks for your message, I'll gladly have a look at the Margate FC article a bit later on today when I can give it my full attention. All the best, The Rambling Man 11:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Muhahahaha, it is done... let me know if I can help out with anything further... The Rambling Man 17:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Peer review of Margate F.C.
Hey. My exams will be over by tomorrow (yaaaay!) so I should hopefully be able to give it a look through and give some notes on the PR by then at the latest. Mattythewhite 14:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeremy's surname
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Barnstar

 * Dammit. Beat me to it... — BQZip01 —  talk 22:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too. Really very well done, excellent work all round.  The Rambling Man 07:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Just to say you thanks for the barnstar. --Angelo 11:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Worcs Comb 1951-52
The winners were Walsall Wood, listed on my records as Walsall Wood{1}. - fchd 21:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

AFD blanking
Appears to be Disappearance and murder of Jessie Davis. Gordonofcartoon 13:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

fu tagging to footy logos
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Request for comment
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Asian Football Club
I know that you're the best person I can rely on, so I want to know who's the best editor for Asian football clubs?? I have a stub I found at: Akçaabat Sebatspor, a club from Turkey, so if you know who it is, have him or her reply me with the help of editing this club... Rakuten06 14:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Type O Negative photos
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Need your expert advise
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Football on the main page.
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Question
Me and User:Number 57 have been discussing the players and managers section on the Keynsham Town F.C. page. He has deleted it, saying they are not notable. Also, if you look closely at the History section you will see that it is pretty much copy and pasted from the reference (copyright issues?). Please could you take a look and tell me what you think. User talk:Muffin Man 23 19:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Only problem is that 99% of reliable sources always get the squad info wrong and so the source would be unreferenceable, if you know what I mean. Any suggestions? Muffin Man 23 19:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC) Just had a thought. Next season I am in charge of their own website. Maybe I could add the team there, and use that as a reference. Would that be a possible bypass? Muffin Man 23 19:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. P.S Your clock is wrong Muffin Man 23 21:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

No... wikipedia's clock is wrong. Muffin Man 23 21:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

FAC
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Leek Town F.C.
No problem mate. Any non-POV article this good on a non-league club automatically has my support. BeL1EveR 16:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Eintracht Trier
Hello mate

Firstly aplogies for the edits to Spiller and Jackman previously, just doing it to show my mate at wokr how to edit and forgot to change them back.

Secondly congrats on the Gills page, it's looking wicked. I'm trying to do a similar thing for my German team, Eintracht Trier, if you could look at it and suggest ways I can make it better it would be grealty appreciated.

Johnno

Eintracht Trier
Brilliant, thanks mate, I was struggling to find a way of getting rid of those links! I'm still not happy with that History (which was written by someone else) but I'm struggling with the correct translation for a better one so that will take time. Got a couple of pictures of the stadium from when I was there last year so my next challenge is to add them into it tonight.

Poll about Category:FA Premier League clubs and similar categories
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Jake Gepanaga
Teka, ano bang pwede kong sabihin? Ah, wala akong masabi eh bahala ka na jan.

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Match (magazine)
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Request for assistance
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Bobby Robson FAC
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Mining League
Thanks for updating the Mining League article. I'd been meaning to do it myself, but I couldn't get home to Cornwall to check up on the new teams and who was in which league etc. Nice work! Bretonbanquet 22:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree.. even in Cornwall it's hard to get info about that league. I used to play in it, and people had no idea about league tables half the time, you didn't know whether you were top or bottom! Cheers :) Bretonbanquet 22:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes exactly! Likewise the players at my team Leyton Orient - if they didn't know they were top, they wouldn't get the vertigo they're about to get and drop like a stone to the bottom! Bretonbanquet 11:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Mark Patterson
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Gerry Baker
Hey. I responded to the merge request at Gerard Baker, and have brought up a question. There are other Gerry Bakers - one born in 1939 and one in 1938, which is the same as the American Baker. I'm quite confused on the naming conventions, but do you think (footballer born 1939), (footballer born 1938) and (soccer player) would suffice? Cheers, Mattythewhite 13:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello again. I've created the articles for the other Gerry Baker's. Do you think the original one should be renamed now? Mattythewhite 17:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Sir Bobby
Thanks for your support, his article was promoted to featured status last night. Hurrah! The Rambling Man 10:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me know as soon as you nom Gills history, or even beforehand, I'll be glad to help out. The Rambling Man 20:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Real Madrid C.F.== ==

Hey! this article was a FAC and it wasn't promoted. How can I candidate again? I think this is better than Margate F.C..I tried to edit the talk page but it doesn't work.

History of Gills
Hey dude, I've added a bunch of comments at the FAC, hope they're of use. The Rambling Man 17:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Done, support. Fancy casting your eyes over a FLC?  List of Ipswich Town F.C. managers if you get a moment... no big deal.  The Rambling Man 17:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

If your history of Gillingham F.C. doesn't get FA, then I struggle to see what would. Unless "perfection" gets added to the FA criteria of course. I'm not a Gillingham fan - to be truthful I'm not even sure where Gillingham is - but I can see that you're making a valuable contribution to the history of football in this country, and I hope that you can find the energy and motivation to keep it up.

Before you ask, I'm a supporter of Man U; and yes, I do live in Manchester. :) --Malleus Fatuarum 23:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Stirling Albion F.C.
Hi

Thanks for your input on the improvments this article needs. I have done these improvments (well I think I have) So since you were the person who has suggested these improvments could you please have a wee look to see if I have got them all. I would appreciate your input on changes these pages need as you will be a NPOV unlike me as I support Stirling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorillamusic (talk • contribs) 19:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think I have got it sorted now. It's just these silly wee bits that I miss. When ever you can have a look and see if I'v sorted it. Gorillamusic 21:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Brownhills
Just wanted to say "thanks!" for all the hard work you've put in on that article. Fingerpuppet 15:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Another FLC...
Hey Chris, wondered if you be good enough to have a look at Ipswich Town F.C. seasons for me? It's up at WP:FLC... Cheers! The Rambling Man 17:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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Ryan Wallace
Thnaks for the query. It's not a name I've come accross, nor is there any mention of him on the club's website (although as the website still lists Gareth Bale as a second year trainee that doesn't necessarily mean much!)  If I come across the name, I'll let you know. Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo 11:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Argentine footballer
Hi, I found this article: Lucas Trecarichi, I proded it, but the tag was taken off. I'm sure that he is as talented as it is claimed, but I thought notability was asserted by playing in a fully professional league, maybe he has but the article makes no mention of it. I got some stick for not nominatinating the last thing properly, so can I pass it over to you to put up for AfD? King of the  North East (T/C) 15:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Its hard to say whether Segunda División B is professional, I think this is where the fully professional league thing falls down a bit, the league contains a load of reserve teams, I'm not sure that we would allow articles on players who had only played in the Southampton FC reserves for example, so would the presence of Real Sociedad B or Levante B in Segunda B be a problem? I'm not sure that the issue has even been properly considered. I'll make an infobox for Trecarichi and bring his article up to  WP:ArF standards, hopefully someone will be able to update it with reliable statistics. Regards, King of the  North East  (T/C) 15:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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