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Please edit my edits (UC Riverside article)
I don't know whether you can do this, but I seem to be the anti-UCRGrad editor who is making the most edits. It would be easier for me to revert back to them (after they are reverted by UCRGrad/Insert-Belltower) if other editors edited my edits (go to latest starkt page in the history section) instead of the article itself. That way I wouldn't be eliminating good edits by other editors. I've sent this message to Szyslak, Amerique, WHS, ElKevbo, Danny Lithbourne and Teknosoul02. Thanks. starkt 14:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I will give it a try, but what happens if somebody makes a good edit after you do? Maybe a better procedure might be to go to the last edit JUST BEFORE UCRGrad or Belltower has done an edit, take a look at THAT one (doing light or heavy editing if needed) and then posting it.


 * In other words, treat UCRGrad/Insert-Belltower as non-existent for the purpose of editing. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 03:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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Demographics in Riverside, California
I understand you like having the most up to date demographics for the city in the lead paragraph. So do I. However, don't you find it odd that the city itself doesn't recognize the 2006 statistic? Additionally, having this value leads to other problems. In the demographics section and citybox, other statistics are quoted: racial makeup, household data, and metro area population to name a few. Since the MONEY Magazine article does not have these values, we are left with a date/data miss-match. I'm trying to find consensus on whether or not it's even proper to quote non-census bureau demographics so we can come to some agreement on this issue. Thanks,  Brien Clark 04:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

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Blocked for sockpuppetry
Given the nature of the comments by User:LA Editor at Talk:Los Angeles, California, the timing of the creation of the account (created about one minute after the second reversion of your edit to Los Angeles, California), and the nature of that account's edits (somehow stumbled upon and decided to revert to your revision of the article), it is too much of a coincidence to assume that this was an independent editor. As a result, I've blocked you indefinitely for sockpuppetry (i.e., using a throwaway account to avoid 3RR). However, you have the opportunity to explain yourself here, if you so desire. -- Kinu t /c  07:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * From your e-mail: I did create a new account, although it was intended specifically for articles based on a certain subject-as I use the ‘college watch’ account as a general editing account.
 * I don't buy your explanation as to why you created the account, as you had no problem editing Los Angeles, California in the first place; indeed, you have multiple times per your contribution history. The concern here is that it looks like you created this other account to avoid WP:3RR, and attempted to mask the nature of the account by agreeing with yourself on the talk page. You used another account in what appears to be an attempt to sway consensus. This is in violation of WP:SOCK.
 * Note that you can still edit this page; you are welcome to place an unblock request if you feel that my block was unjustified. However, given what I see above, I would come up with a stronger defense. -- Kinu t /c  07:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for Unblock

 * You are not blocked for 3RR. You are blocked for using multiple accounts in an abusive manner. Why should we assume you wil not continue such abuse after an eventual unblock? Sandstein 08:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As an observer, while I've known CW to often take questionable editorial stances, usually expressed with a faulty command of the English language, and while I'm sure he knows sockpuppeting is wrong as a general principle, I haven't seen evidence that he has been personally abusive of anyone in this case. He's contributed some great pictures to the project and on their merit I think his block should be reduced. However, I leave it up to you guys. Best regards to all, Amerique dialectics 23:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Amerique for the kind feedback. I was actually going to run down and take some more photos of UCLA, Cal State L.A. and UCR for the Wiki college pages. I also have gigabytes of the renovated Getty Museum that I still need to add. Hopefully if the block gets lifted I can post the new content. College Watch 01:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've contacted the blocking admin and Sandstein who declined the first request. In the meantime please bear with us. Pascal.Tesson 03:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe an unblock is reasonable if and only if College Watch understands the reason for the first block. College Watch, given the dialogue on this page and that sent to me via e-mail, you seems to think this block is for breaching 3RR... no, it is not so much for the use of sockpuppetry for avoiding a 3RR violation as it is for the use of sockpuppetry to post false support for your position (i.e., agreeing with yourself) in an attempt to make a consensus appear to exist when there really was none. You do have positive contributions, so if you can reasonably convey that what you did was an unacceptable breach of Wikipedia policies and a case of very poor judgment that won't happen again, I would not be averse to a "second chance" unblock at another administrator's discretion. -- Kinu t /c  04:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well said. While I am inclined to give you a second chance, I do think the incident that resulted in the block is a serious one. Tradition on Wikipedia has always been to be forgiving for editors who have made mistakes but provided they understand the rules of the game and accept them. Sandstein's earlier question remains pertinent: can we trust that you will not resort to the same abuse if your account is unblocked? Pascal.Tesson 04:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your open mindedness and responses. I do indeed know that the reason for the block was when a violation occurred after creation and a posting of a second account. I did truly intend to create a new account for Los Angeles/Southern California only issues by creating ‘LA Editor’, although I expressed poor judgment when I posted a response to my own primary account in the discussion forum thread created with ‘College Watch’ (which portrayed a false consensus). Although I would like to honestly state that the creation of ‘LA editor’ was not intended to evade the 3 revert rule. I was unaware that it existed; as I have never reverted 3 times in a row for any of my past contributions. Since the infraction, I have recently reviewed all the Wikipedia policies and will diligently adhere to all of them in any possible future use. I also understand that if the request is granted that all rules and regulations must be strictly followed as there will be no tolerance for using Wikipeida without adherence to these highly regarded ethical standards. I also wanted to close in the fact that I have been using Wikipedia since 2003, and have watched it grow from a mere 57,000+ articles to nearly 2 million and really appreciated all the hard work from everyone (content creators, volunteers, and administrators) and understand the importance of keeping a very low tolerance for abusers and keeping integrity for Wikipedia’s content high.

Regards, College Watch 05:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. I'd still like to wait a bit for Sandstein's response (assuming he's around) before proceeding with the unblock. I'm also not too keen on unblocking the alternate account: alternate accounts are usually acceptable provided the user pages of the two accounts are clearly marked as such. Under the circumstances, however, I think it would be best to forget about the LA Editor account and if you still do want an alternate account, I suggest choosing an unambiguous name like User:College Watch (LA). Pascal.Tesson 05:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur with Pascal Tesson that giving this user a second chance is an acceptable risk, since he seems to understand what the problem was, and that the sockpuppet account should remain blocked. In fact I think it would be best if this user would restrict himself to one account for the time being; this will allow us to detect any possible future infractions more readily. Sandstein 09:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks All College Watch 04:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

UCR Endowment
Replied on my talk page as the issues involved may be substantial enough to merit keeping discussion on one page. Amerique dialectics 19:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Cowschwitz.... are you really sure about the title.
Hi, just came across the Cowschwitz article. Now whether the cattle ranch is notable is debatable; I did find a few references to it, but the title of the article is definitely going to be a Neutral point of view problem FlowerpotmaN ·( t ) 00:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Cowschwitz again
Perhaps if you moved the article to the actual title of the ranch and then we can see if the article subject is notable? But the article at Cowscwitz really shouldn't be at that title one way or the other. FlowerpotmaN ·( t ) 21:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you think you have enough material to create an article on the company or the ranch, and if you think it might pass WP:N - and I can only go on a few Internet references, so I honestly don't know if it will- you could do that.


 * But even having a redirect to the new article from Cowschwitz is problematic. I am not arguing the ranch hasn't been nicknamed as Cowschwitz, but it does seem to be a point of view reference and more importantly, there is no particular reason that the redirect should point to an article about that ranch, as that joke - for lack of a better word - isn't unique. I have heard particular abbatoirs in my neck of the woods being referred to as Cowschwitz. (Personal opinion is that people shouldn't, but they do). Whether the nickname should be mentioned in the new article would depend on there being reliable sources that the ranch is frequently referred to as such. Blog entries alone wouldn't be enough.


 * My advice to you is to put a db-author template on the Cowschwitz article - there haven't been many substantial edits, so that should work - and start the new article with good sourcing for the material.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 23:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * (replying) But it would still fail WP:NAME. Really, I can't see the article being allowed to stay at the current name. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 00:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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