User talk:Courcelles/Archive 14

Re: 30 Rock season 4 list
If you can help out, you have no idea how great this is, you just don't. :) I can help out with anything that needs work on. I just need two finish two episodes and the season will be done. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  16:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool :) Will spend some serious time on this tomorrow. Courcelles 08:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  14:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Katie Couric
As long as you protected the article, would you please mind weighing in here? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Admins who protect pages rarely get involved in the dispute. It keeps us impartial incase things go south after the protection expires.  Sorry. Courcelles 03:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

FLC Nomination of Glee (season 1)
We haven't had a lot of opinions yet and the FLC is now a few days old. Would you be able to take a moment to give the page a quick review? Much appreciated as it's my first time nominating a page. CycloneGU (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do, though television isn't actually an area of expertise for me. (The above thread not withstanding). Courcelles 20:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, I appreciate any suggestions or pointing out of any concerns that you might have. Frickative and I are both working on the article, and she's currently doing the last of another reviewer's concerns, so I'm looking for something to fix up too. =)  CycloneGU (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

List of Arizona Diamondbacks first-round draft picks
Loux didn't sign, so make sure that's updated. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Courcelles 20:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Did you know/Queue/1
In Template:Did you know/Queue/1, In the Credits section, The credits should be given for List of successful English Channel swimmers, not for Thomas William Burgess. Thank you :) 85.250.178.146 (talk) 23:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. Thanks :) Courcelles 23:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

An objection
You granted user Anupam reviewer's rights. His disruptions/lack of cooperation at talk:Robbie Mannheim as well as to the article itself ought to be enough to remove these rights, and I see his probationary period is done as of two days ago. User Anupam has already been abusing his editor's rights as it is.

May I remind you: "The process of reviewing is intended as a quick check to make reasonably sure edits don't contain vandalism, violations of the policy on living people, or other obviously inappropriate content. Reviewers are users sufficiently experienced who are granted the ability to accept other users' edits. They are expected to have a reasonable editing history, know what is and what is not vandalism, and be familiar with basic content policies. Reviewer rights are granted by administrators. The permission is removed at the request of the user, the community, or the arbitration committee." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pending_changes#Reviewing retrieved on 17 August 2010.

I am copying this to the main editor working on Mannheim, user Vespine.75.21.146.222 (talk) 15:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks 222. I've struggled with this article for a long time too. I think the main problem is that user: Anupam seems not to accept that a lot of what he uses as sources are essentially "story books". Preliminarily:


 * 1. "Paranormal Experiences"
 * 2. "A Faraway Ancient Country"
 * 3. "Good Spirits, Bad Spirits: How to Distinguish Between Them"
 * 4. "Evil: Satan, Sin, and Psychology"


 * I mean really, it's a joke, those sources have been disputed as POV since before I started trying to clean up this article in April, but every time someone tries to remove quotes attributed to these sources, Anupam reverts the edits and claims we're removing "the other side of the story". Trying to resolve this on the talk page has not been getting anywhere. His only saving grace is that he is laborious and polite, but perhaps that's the worst combination of traits for an editor nursing an NPOV article. I really mean no personal offence to Anupam, he has been polite and has put a lot of effort into the article, but it has been misguided. I personally think he really needs to just leave that article for a while and stop taking it personally. We need to get rid of those ridiculous sources and get the article up to scratch. Not sure if there's anything you can do as an admin, at the very least don't give Anupam more rights, that's the last thing he needs.  Vespine (talk) 23:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm, you all have lost me. Some links somewhere in that would have been really helpful. But, since this appears to do with a reviewing issue, I'll say this...  Even though I may have granted someone the reviewer flag, and have the technical ability to remove it just as easily, I do not have the authority to do so.  You'll have to go to AN/I if you want that done. Courcelles 03:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah lol sorry, this is in reference to the Robbie_Mannheim page if you can call it that... Vespine (talk) 08:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I was inattentive and Vespine is carrying the whole load here. The article in question, which Vespine has given a link to (this new editing system baffles me, I can't do it)... well we need an extra set of eyes so vespine isn't flying solo with that thing. We seem to agree that it needs a total overhaul. Anupam is actually a pain in the proverbial: no one can edit without his meddling and reverting the crap we remove. Then he insists his permission be begged on the talk page when Vespine has talked to the point of spitting up coat hangers. This article means a lot to me too, though I did no work there. It deserves better, and so does Vespine.75.21.153.99 (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled thank you
Thanks for the bit! --Stepheng3 (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Now go forth and use it well :) Courcelles 23:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

pending
Hi, you were closely involved in pending, (excuse me if I am wrong about that) do you have any idea as to the perceived usage and general scope going forward for the tool if the community supports its continued usage..as in is it intended to be rolled out across the project or perhaps at all BLP articles or just an extended similar situation, if this ongoing usage intention is specified somewhere could you let me know, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 11:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been told as much as you have about the scope of this thing going forward... that is, zero. I think this up or down vote coming up on 31 August is going to be a real mess unless we can get that defined quickly. Roll this out over hundreds of thousands of articles and we will never be able to keep up, I am afraid. Courcelles 11:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, I was also thinking the same, users are commenting, keep roll it out, and support only for BLPs and so on, I agree we need to define what is to be supported and suchlike and how the vote is to be assessed and so on and who will close it.. there is some little discussion on the talkpage there, if you have a moment to throw in a comment that would be appreciated, thanks. Without a clear understanding the vote will be a wasted effort, imo as wellOff2riorob (talk) 11:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Pending changes/Closure
 * Actually at this point, the only option I'm ready to get behind is pulling the plug. I'll watchlist it and see if I have anything useful to add, though. Courcelles 06:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

non admin close
Hi I have replied to your comments at HJ's talkpage Off2riorob (talk) 20:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

File:First AME Church Los Angeles croppedDYK.jpg
Are you done with this? I'm cleaning out Category:Protected main page images again, which apparently hasn't been done since my wikibreak! HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * yep, we are done with it. Delete away! Courcelles 21:34, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Gone. Thank you kindly. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Vote comment
As you commented in the pending closure discussion I am notifying you that the Pending changes/Vote comment is now open and will be for two weeks, discussion as required can continue on the talkpage. Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 00:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Texas Tech Red Raiders bowl games/archive1
I've addressed your comments at this FLC. NThomas (talk) 04:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Finally...
...the table is up! We need some links in the nominees column and there's some missing from the category column, but I was starting to get cross eyed, so I thought I'd just get the damn thing uploaded. I was just wondering what you think we should do about those top ten lists? Just mention a few in the lead? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  22:34, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds about right to me. Top Ten isn't really an award/nomination/etc, but it gives flavour to the lede, and can be used to put some meat on the fourth paragraph.  Considering they're all being sourced right now by a dead link, we can cut out all but the more noteworthy publications/critics and track down their original list/reviews, instead of the tertary source that is Metacritic (Whose notability I'd hold in question, anyhow). Courcelles 17:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! :)
Hi Courcelles! Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you, but I wanted to thank you for granting me reviewer status on Wikipedia :) AWN2 (talk) 07:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, happy editing! Courcelles 17:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

1980 Summer Olympics medal table
is now sourced for the most part. sonia ♫  09:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get some work on it in today or tomorrow. (I want to get the Volleyball list polished and nominated today.) Courcelles 17:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Courcelles, thank you for your help writing the lead and in refining List of accolades received by Up in the Air. It just received Featured List status. It looks like you and June have your fingerprints on most if not all of the featured List of accolades for films. ;-) --Dan Dassow (talk) 16:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * June more than me, I think. Of the three we've worked on, Up in the Air is the only one I've actually seen the movie that goes with the list, though.  (I'm a bit of a mercenary.  I'll work on anything, as June has learned.) Courcelles 17:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * When you have a group like this, it hardly feels like work at all. Thanks for the stars.  One of these days, I'm going to collect these things.  (I don't know where I'd put them, though.  I took my DYK's and ITN's off my user page a couple weeks ago for simplicity.  Hmm.) Courcelles 17:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people have a subpage where they collect them all. Personally, I just like to keep track off all my content and shiny gifts on my userpage so it's in one place. I think you can turn them into userboxen, as well, but that's a bit too fiddly for my liking. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bit fiddly for me, too. [ Steal 'em off Bwilkins], is my advice ;-) TFOWR 18:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Compare your topicons to mine. Yours looks like you wrote/nominated half the encyclopaedia! I'd dress up my user page one of these days, but I'm so bad at it I could almost write another FLC in the same amount of time... Courcelles 18:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Mind if I take a crack at it then? I improved dffgd's user page, and I didn't get any complaints that it was bad. The Raptor  You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Good job you jumped in before I did
"The first paragraph of the "Critical reception" section is not about critical reception" I was about to reply "so what is it about then, the crack of your arse?" No wonder I'll never be an administrator, or ever want to be. :-) Malleus Fatuorum 01:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not like being an administrator is all the hopefuls make it out to be, anyway. But, yes, good; I'm not sure that response would have helped a slow FAC out any.  It's strange, when I'm the nominator, I wish people would just fix their minor quibbles, when I'm reviewing, I don't want to fix things and get in the way in-case I'm missing something strikingly obvious. Courcelles 02:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Well, I wasn't an admin - but now I am ;-). Thanks for your support in my RfA! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, very good. If you beat my track record of getting taken to DRV within 2 days, you'll be doing well! Courcelles 18:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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Salting of Denise Milani (model)
Hi there. Just to let you know I've extended your salting of Denise Milani (model) to indef to match the protection already on Denise Milani. Hope you don't mind, but it seemed sensible to have both protected the same as they cover the same person. Cheers. Ged UK  11:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If I had done the salting after seeing Denise Milani, I'd have done the same thing. Saw them in the "wrong" order, and hit 3 months.  No worries. Courcelles 11:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I guessed as much. Good close btw on the AfD, in case any issue come out of it. Ged  UK  12:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hopefully no one will take it to DRV, it's been a nice while since I darkened the halls there. Courcelles 12:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Email
Do you mind if I send you an email venting some anger? You don't even have to read it, but I need to get it down and Twitter only allows 140 characters. I really hate looking at my watchlist to find someone has been so utterly stupid. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  11:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll even read and reply :) Courcelles 11:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sent. Thank you. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  12:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And replied. Courcelles 14:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied to your reply. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've added the infobox to Slumdog and removed those top ten lists. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied again. The next sentence eon Slumdog is one I can't get to sound right, so I may just skip it and go on to box office and go from there. Courcelles 17:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2009 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans/archive1
Could you please reconsider your oppose at Featured list candidates/2009 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Courcelles 09:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics
Hi Courcelles, hope you're well. A while ago you opposed the FLC for this list as the event hadn't occurred. I may be wrong but I think it now has, and perhaps you could find a moment to revisit your position? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, my mistake, I should have looked it up I suppose! Okay, not a problem, maybe revisit once the event is over, if you get a chance.  Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

My, you have been busy! That's +3 FLs for you this week. I always have trouble finding something interesting to say about the MLB draft lists for the Signpost, so it's good you've found the Olympic lists now ;) Dabomb87 (talk) 00:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm glad my production of articles makes it easier for you to write blurbs about them! 3 promoted in a week is something I probably won't be back to, it takes a crazy week of writing and sourcing to get there. There's still a few draft pick lists to go, though, ten more plus the one Wizardman has nominated. I think he wants to get the FT done by the end of the World Series, though, so expect a few more of those to be ran up soon. Courcelles 05:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ETA: My first FL was actually an Olympic list, so I don't know if I am "finding" them... Courcelles 06:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Courcelles, back to the Venues of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics FLC. Are you still opposing the FLC, since the event has already begun? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Retrieved from archive 14 A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 04:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Hope you will strike out your opposition to the FLC on Venues of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics as I have responded to all the issues you raised. Here is the nomination page. Thanks, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 04:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've capped my comments. Courcelles 09:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Goodbye
I'm retiring from Wikipedia because I have a lot on my plate currently. If User:HJ Mitchell hasn't already done so, will you indefinitely full protect my user page just in case? I would appreciate it if you did. I may return next summer, but until that possible date, goodbye. The Raptor You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 13:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry to see you go, but I hope you'll be back with a cleaner plate and renewed vigor. Courcelles 13:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) The Raptor  You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 13:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Goodness!
You go to sleep, 'ya miss all the fun! Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, happy to clean and block for you. Courcelles 16:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Glee (season 1)
Thank you for the very thorough review of Glee (season 1). A number of changes have been made based on your suggestions and the last couple of tidbits are still being looked into (namely the ratings discussion, talking with Frickative on MSN ATM). Would you mind reviewing the changes that have been made and determining whether the page now fits approval in your eyes? I might also be interested in what kind of image you'd feel would be suitable in the infobox; the Glee DVD cover seemed appropriate to me as it's for the first season, but if you have a better idea in light of Bignole's comments, I'm interested. =) CycloneGU (talk) 00:46, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Review question
Mr. Courcelles sir, I was wondering if you could give me some guidance. I recently made some "bold" revisions on a geographic article that included improved grammar, structural reorientation of images and content, and added a Geobox to replace an old infobox. Now, the other day someone came around with an IP address and reverted everything that was done, which I saw as vandalism. Today, though, I got another complete revert (in the exact same way) in the name of a once-blocked problem editor. I didn't want to start an edit war, so I sent him a message to request follow-up. What should be my next step? I sense that the topic (Ceuta) might be controversial, but my edits were not content-driven, there were no politic-cultural motivations or revisions (for example), but I felt the revisions were justified to improve the quality of the page. Since you sent me the "reviewer" status, I felt confidant that I could get some opinion. I didn't want to abandon my original revisions, but just that I feel that I should, if this gets into a full-blown edit war. Appreciate your comments.Ruben JC 14:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like someone reverted back to your version. In general, I find it beneficial not to copy-edit and rearrange at the same stretch, merely because it is harder to remove bad copyedits while keeping good structural changes.  (Also, your signature needs a link to your user page, talk page, or contributions per WP:SIGN.) Courcelles 09:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
I figured you might be the best person to ask about pending changes :)

How do we go about requesting this for an article? And does the article have to be vandalised before it's added or can we request that it's added if we suspect the article is going to be vandalised?

It's just that The Bill airs it's last ever episode on Tuesday after some 27 years on TV. HJ has already had to protect it once this last couple of weeks because of vandalism and people adding information that was unreferenced. I suspect that this week the page may come in for more of the same, with it being the last ever episode the programme is very high profile at the moment. Personally I would rather see "pending changes" added to the article rather than have it locked as not all people will vandalise. --5 albert square (talk) 01:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just happen to be in the area and will try to answer your questions. If I am mistaken...I will surely be corrected.


 * The pending changes trial ended on August 15 at 11:00 UTC. After this time, I do not believe any new pages were accepted for pending changes protection in the interim (though currently protected pages are still logging as such).


 * I know I have in the past had pages under pending changes protection that I have had to request temporary semi-protection for, so my example goes the other way from yours. If there is the potential for large amounts of activity, and the page has been vandalized during this type of airing, then I would just recommend requesting semi-protection.  If new pages ARE being accepted for pending changes, meanwhile, I'll be corrected, surely.  Right now, consensus is being sought on whether to even continue the project.  CycloneGU (talk) 01:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Cyclone


 * Thanks for the reply. Ah, I knew the pending changes feature was under review right now but for some reason I thought it was still carrying on whilst it was reviewed.  I've been on and off Wikipedia intermittently recently lol.  Because of that unfortunately I didn't get much of a chance to experience the pending changes feature.  Never mind, I guess I will just have to watch the page and report it to RFPP if necessary.  Thanks again :) --5 albert square (talk) 01:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I would still make the request (at the same place that semi-protection is requested) and sewe what they think. Give your reasons like normal and it'll be their call.  I just don't think new pages are being added to the program, but I could be mistaken.  I do know it's under review.  CycloneGU (talk) 01:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Cyclone, I'll put in the request and let you know what they say :) --5 albert square (talk) 01:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, whatever happened, the article sure looks semi-protected to me at the moment; indefinitely for that matter. Courcelles 09:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That is odd. I saw declined, and a message on my talk page also referred to declined.  The history showed this:


 * "contribs) m (75,667 bytes) (Protected The Bill: Excessive vandalism: & various unsourced changes. High profile atm due to series end ([edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (expires 21:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC))))"


 * It expired four days ago. I wonder how it's still protected.  CycloneGU (talk) 14:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Read that log entry again. The indef move protection expired four days ago, but the semi-edit protection was set for indefinite. Courcelles 14:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops! That's my fault. I must have muddled the expiry times. Fixed now. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Texas Tech Red Raiders bowl games/archive1
I've addressed all of your comments on this FLC. I was hoping you could acknowledge that they have been resolved. Thanks. NThomas (talk) 17:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Capped. Courcelles 13:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2009 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans/archive1
Can you respond to the idea of removing Wooden and Lowe's AAs and keeping Academic AA at Featured list candidates/2009 NCAA Men's Basketball All-Americans/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Courcelles 13:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

PROD Template
Yeah that was rather poor of me. I have offered apologies all around. For some reason, though I knew the difference between a PROD and a speedy, I got the two mixed up. I can only think it is because I'm a bit rusty of late in vandal fighting, having focused more on content recently, as you may have noticed. Best wishes, Jusdafax  15:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm probably a bit rusty too. I don't think I've even opened Huggle since June.  Been writing too many lists, myself.  Happy editing. Courcelles 15:45, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

FWIW
You're right about Microsoft, I guess I was a bit overly optimistic - there is a reason for WP:INVOLVED to exist after all. I once hailed it as a success of PC, but recently it has been rather bad. It's really just too bad, as IPs tend to come in and nicely fix the grammar errors I make a lot quicker then I can and such; too bad there's no middle ground right now between none and semi that works for pages like this. Anyway, semi should indeed give the rather valiant page watchers a nice break. Ryan Norton 22:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the problem, isn't it? Is it worth the time to check ten bad edits under PC to get the one or two worthwhile changes?  I think what we've learned about from this trial is that if we keep PC, it works best on low-traffic pages- just this morning I removed obvious vandalism that had sat there for eleven months; but where there are many edits a day; Microsoft's last 50 edits go back only 6 days; the amount of time it consumes can be large.  If the system worked as fast as everything else on WP, it might be worth it, but as slow as the thing is... Well... Courcelles 22:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
01:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC) 01:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to add a note above. For the bot... 00:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about not timestamping the first!

Thanks
Just a quick note of thanks for cleaning up my talk page from whatever the IP from Georgia placed on it. Your vigilance is appreciated. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 00:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See, that's service! Reverted and deleted so fast you never even got to see the insults! (Being serious, you're welcome.) Courcelles 00:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I had almost exactly the same thought about how fast you acted. The fact that the service comes with a smile makes it even better. Have a great week! MarnetteD | Talk 00:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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Featured article candidates/The Body (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)/archive1 nomination
Please, avoid the use of the pejorative sci-fi when discussing any science-fiction or fantasy which you do not hold in contempt. Within the science fiction community (fan and pro), the term is traditionally one of disdain, reserved for the worst kind of Hollywood crap (such as seen on most hours of the SyFyllis Channel nowadays). -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay... Been a fan for a lot of years and this is something I've never even heard before. When did it take on pejorative tones? Courcelles 17:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Your ignorance is so sci-fi, Courcelles. --Moni3 (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You knew this? Then why didn't you slap me upside the head when I wrote the nomination? Courcelles 17:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't know it was pejorative. I'm too sci-fi to realize it. --Moni3 (talk) 17:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * About the time that Mike started overdosing on oranges I think, i.e., never. Malleus Fatuorum 17:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Approximately since when my old samideano Forry coined it. "Sci-fi" is traditionally reserved for giant cockroach movies and the original Battlestar Galactica and the like. See this essay by Harlan Ellison for more on the topic. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Harlan Ellison is too sci-fi for me to pay attention to. --Moni3 (talk) 17:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One essay does not a summer make. Actually I wouldn't have described Buffy as being in the science-fiction genre anyway, but what do I know. I didn't even know that some people take offence to such miniscule details. Malleus Fatuorum 17:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It relates to the contempt in which the genre is held by mundane society; science fiction/"sci fi" is unique among literary genres as being judged not only by the worst of the genre, but by the worst of the visual-media imitations of the genre. World-renowned fan writer David Langford collects new exemplars of these sneers in his fanzine Ansible every issue; and sadly there is never any shortage of fresh candidates. (As to why I care: I review and occasionally write the stuff; I married a fellow fan at a science fiction convention, and we still attend them every year with our daughter [who does her own science fiction fanzines]; and I remain convinced that there is no genre of literature extant which is better able to speak to the human condition.) And yes, I concur, Buffy was obvious fantasy, not SF. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If sci-fi makes you feel less than legitimate, try lesbian pulp fiction. It's the bastard of the bastard at the literary family reunion. --Moni3 (talk) 17:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, remember the horror some people felt when Ann Bannon was TFA that *gasp* lesbians exist. And they write.  And we don't shunt it off to a little corner where no one can find it, it's on the main page!  No matter what you write, someone will always find a way to decry it as less worthy than whatever they like.  And sometimes the rest of us who just don't much care about the arguments will slip up and sound like we're doing the same thing.  Courcelles 18:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There's even some overlap in those genres, Moni! Marion Zimmer Bradley and Forrest J Ackerman both wrote lesbian pulp fiction, to name only two writers I knew personally. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * on my own talk page! Alright then, I guess it is one of those things that never occurs to a casual fan who watched The Next Generation every week, but I won't use it like that again if Moni lets me mess around with "Hush"... or more likely, when I get my glut of written FLC's through process and get to work on the season articles. Courcelles 17:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Kesha

 * Does no one read the notice at the top of the page? For the bot... 19:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologizes. I meant to sign it. Ive left more comments (im not aware if your watching the page or not, if so ill stop leaving messages :P )- (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 20:22, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I do watchlist FAC's and FLC's where I leave commentary, though the 2,000 pages on my watchlist do make notes helpful sometimes :) Courcelles 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Everything is done except the "Active:" section (which help on would be very much appreciated). Please inform me if theres anything else other then the "Active" section that needs to be addressed. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 21:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ive replaced the links with a billboard cover story. If its not reliable im going to cry :( - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 21:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Capped our exceedingly long conversation on sourcing. Still needs a full-on copyedit, and I need to think about 3b. Courcelles 21:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, I have done a lead rewrite. I believe all of your outstanding issues have now been addressed. Please let me know what you think :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 22:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, apologizes as im not meaning to rush you but as soon as you can, please re-comment on the review page. Its been nominated for over 14 days so the discussion may come to a close any day. It would suck it it failed due to two opposes which have now been corrected (i believe) Thanks so much - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 20:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I put in a request at the link you gave me and a copy edit has been completed by User:Diannaa. Ive added additional references. I think were good to go. :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 22:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. Capped everything off, withdrawn oppose.  I'm not sold on 3b, but I won't hold up promotion on it. Courcelles 22:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Diannaa is a good copy-editor. Ping HJ Mitchell and see if he has anything else to say. Courcelles 22:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for all your help. And i left HJ a message right after i left you one letting him know ive corrected everything he asked and if there was anything else. Thanks again. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 22:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks; the article got better in the process, and that's what really matters. Courcelles 23:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Need a hand with a potential FLC
Hey, I'm almost finished with List of awards and nominations received by The Bill. It was a bigger task than I was expecting, but for the most part it's been tedious, but not difficult. I've come to despise wikitable markup! ;) Anyhow, could you help me out with expanding the lead and it might need an infobox. Once that's done and I've finished the sourcing, I think it's ready to go to FLC, what do you think? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   04:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll help you out later w/ sourcing and lede... but why are you using the HTML markup instead of the won and nom templates here? Courcelles 12:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because I didn't know the latter existed! Leave me alone, I don't write lists, I copy edit! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

As you requested...


Thank you again for you RfA nomination - I shall do my best to live up to the faith the community has shown by granting me these tools!
 * Oh, Dana you'll be just fine. I mean, if I haven't screwed it up too much... well, you're a much better candidate for the tools than I was. Courcelles 12:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Questions with Featured list candidates/Task force
Thought I would bug you instead of dabomb because dabomb is busy. Egads, can't tell who is busier.

I took List of Kentucky state symbols under the "Not up to current standards" section and tried to update it. Updated page is at User:Bgwhite/Sandbox. I used the updated Indiana page as a guide. What do I do to purpose to remove the article from the task forge page? I'm sure it could use a copy edit, who do I bug? Bgwhite (talk) 06:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, your sandbox version really could do with a longer lede section, at least two solid paragraphs. I haven't seen any single paragraph ledes fare well at FLC in a good while.  Also, the userspace version of that list is inactive; the maintained list is at Featured list candidates/Task force, but I'm unsure who updates it outside of FLRC.  Also, since there's an IP edit in there, per our license, I'm going to have to history merge your sandbox into the article, and leave everything before the Kentucky work in your sandbox.  Will take me about ten minutes, but let me know when you're ready. Courcelles 12:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On second look, that IP edit isn't GFDL-significant. Scratch that stuff about history merges. Courcelles 15:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I added a second paragraph in the lede. I moved the sandbox version over to the main article. Bgwhite (talk) 22:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't think anyone would send it to FLRC now. If they do, this issues would be able to be cleaned up in no time flat.  Great work.  Really great work. Courcelles 01:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It's up
Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by The Bill/archive1. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You do know demanding to be listed as co-nom was just my way of having some fun about having more work dumped in my lap, right? Courcelles 01:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I figured as much, but you have been extremely helpful. I'd have sworn a lot more if it hadn't been for you! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was still in a good mood from Dana's doughnuts. This list had the same problem I'm having with my Lillehammer list (and the only reason it's not at FLC already); not being able to source things I absolutely-saw with my own eyes- know are true.  Tomorrow, Slumdog, Moscow and Cortina.  Any chance I get through any of it?  If I do, I've got the Pirates, Reds, Lillehammer, and Nagano breathing down my neck!  Not to mention the Diamondbacks which is 100% done and dusted, just haven't had a slot to nominate it. Not to mention my scattered notes on the Buffy seasons I haven't actually gotten into the computer yet.  My goal for September?  Finish some darned projects without starting any new ones.   Like that's going to happen.   Courcelles 02:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * *sympathy hug* I was in the library searching for new repertoire when I saw a formidable tome on Douglas Lilburn- God knows why my first thought was "Hey, I'll borrow this, his Wikipedia article is unsourced."  Next thing I know I've discovered that there's a List of Australian composers but no List of New Zealand composers, and there goes my plans to actually do some of the offline work that's been piling up. I honestly don't know how you manage to do all that you do.  sonia ♫  12:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Advice
This is just plain weird. Especially given he had 4 edits at the time of making it. What should happen? sonia ♫ 04:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Bizarre. That's someone's sockpuppet, though I have no idea who.  Maybe run this by one of the SPI clerks who might recognise the patten. Courcelles 15:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * done. sonia ♫  02:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good riddance. Right now I wish you had a mop, as I'm in process of removing several hundred one-sentence articles per a single AFD.  Oh, the sheer mononity of it all! Courcelles 02:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Why was this article "salted"?
Mimi Macpherson was deleted after what you described as otherwise a "pretty easy no consensus close" because of a request from her publicist (I think, from reading ). I don't know (or care) enough to claim that she is notable on her own, but fairly clearly suggests that if she is not notable that her name should redirect to Elle Macpherson, a famous relation. There are also five occurrences of "Mimi Macpherson" in other articles already. However, I was unable to create this redirect because the article had been "salted".

Now I'm concerned about this because there was no discussion of salting in the deletion review, and WP:SALT gives the impression that the intent is to stop repeated creation of articles, whereas this one was deleted only once. I think that this tool is becoming overused, without any real discussion or awareness in the broader community. Wnt (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like performed the salting, so you'd have to ask him, though it seems a good idea to me, though recreation as a fully protected redirect would also seem a valid option. Courcelles 15:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Logs
Your summary here made me laugh. Useight (talk) 02:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Question on a FL list
I have a question on List of British Columbia general elections. It's on the task force page under "structure". What does the article need changed/added to get off the task force page? Bgwhite (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually don't know. The table should be sortable, the lede could stand to be longer, and the sourcing could be better.  Courcelles 01:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, are you still planning on doing a full review of Featured list candidates/List of Commando raids on the Atlantic wall/archive1? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Needs a copy-edit, but left comments. Courcelles 17:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be such a nag, but could you comment on the 3b issue at Featured list candidates/Plymouth Argyle F.C. Player of the Year/archive2 and the comprehensiveness concern at Featured list candidates/List of Texas Tech Red Raiders bowl games/archive1? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 14:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done both. Any lists you need someone else to look at? Courcelles 21:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of article Alice (Transformers)
I was curious as to the deletion of the article Alice (Transformers). I spent some tine adding some good references about the character's notability, including that the actress won an award for the part asd a "breakout" roll, a technical article about the computer graphics used to create thew character on screen, and news article coverage about the character. Yet somehow it still seemed to get deleted for lack of notability. Is it possible to request a re-evaluation, review, or ask for a chance to add more citations? Thanks Mathewignash (talk) 01:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What the discussion proves is that Isabel Lucas is notable. However, that fact was never in question.  No one ever provided sources that proved the notability of Alice the character  is notable in any real-world sense.  The few independent sources provided spoke much more to Lucas' notability than the character. Courcelles 17:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. A "breakout roll" is notable to the character as well as the actress. The article about the special effects used had nothing to do with isabelle. Mathewignash (talk) 18:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, a breakout role is almost by definition a term applied to a performer. Anything worth saying about the special effects would belong in the article about the film, not justifying a separate article for the character, as the discussion showed. Courcelles 02:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for this
We nearly had a EC. Thank you for closing. I would have hated to have IP 99.6.13.199 try closing a discussion of which he was a part.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we saw the drama an admin got for closing a discussion in which they involved themselves at DRV last week. (For the record, I saw your post on Ron's talk page, and thought this one might benefit more from an admin close than an NAC, even though they would accomplish the same thing.) Courcelles 02:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed
Remove the 'confirmed user' right from User:AFC clerk bot. — I-20 the highway  01:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Gone. Thanks for your work with the bot. Courcelles 01:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

sorry
Sorry for welcoming a user with a profane username i was not really looking. Inka 888 04:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No big deal, though you should probably run some kind of mental check on usernames you are going to welcome. The few that can be hardblocked without editing first, like this one, ought to be sent to UAA rather than welcomed. Courcelles 04:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

YGM
-- HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied. Courcelles 21:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 September 2010
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Out of retirement
I thought I would let you know that I've decided to return to Wikipedia, only in a semi-retired state instead of completely retired. Life has somewhat settled down for me, and since I'm ditching pre-calculus I'll have a little more free time on my hands. The Raptor You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Photo Finish LOL
Man, it doesn't get closer than that! Glad we're on the same page. Keep up the great work! Jmlk 1  7  05:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)