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2011 World Athletics Championships
When starting a nation article please start it like:

Nation Name will compete at the 2011 World Championships in Athletics from August 27 to September 4 in Daegu, South Korea. Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions  15:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice job! in creating the nation articles. However I do have a concern, the black outline is never used in these type of articles. Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions   23:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For the charts you are putting, compare Canada's article with one you made and you will see what I mean. Keep up the great work! Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions   15:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Team selection
I'm curious as to why you deleted the Team selection section from Croatia at the 2011 World Championships in Athletics. Is it because it was empty? I've been planing to expand the article in vein of Croatia at the 2009 World Championships in Athletics - team selection generally makes sense. GregorB (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem.. A big task indeed, so it is not realistic to expect such content in all articles - even maintaining the results is difficult. GregorB (talk) 12:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Andorra at the 2011 World Championships in Athletics


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 * Permanently a one-liner article to say "Andorra did not compete at the event". Wrong on so many levels.

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Proposed deletion of Georgia at the 2011 World Championships in Athletics


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1977 CARIFTA Games
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Good work!
Hi CroesJ. I'd just like to say thanks for this edit, as I've been meaning to do that for a while. I really appreciate your hard work on covering the history of the CARIFTA Games and Pan American Juniors. You've made some impressive additions this month! SFB 17:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * List of Central American and Caribbean Junior Championships records (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
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AthResult template
Hi CroesJ! I've created a template which makes writing medal entries into the tables on athlete biographies a bit easier and quicker. I've noticed you do these types of edits quite often. Template:AthResult might well be something which could help you in your editing. Cheers. SFB 01:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The competitions I have missed out on the template are low level events those which do not have significant coverage in Wikipedia thus far, making it unlikely that there will be a significant number of listings to be made (the purpose of the template being to speed up writing about competitions which feature frequently.


 * In terms of the CARIFTA/CAC Junior comps and their junior/youth divides – I think it is better to place this information in the event name, e.g. Youth 800 metres, or Junior 800 metres. The link to the competition is the same regardless, so there is little that can be done to differentiate it in the competition link. Similarly, in terms of the Boys/Girls aspect, there are no articles at "event-specific" level for youth competitions. The only reason for the inclusion of "Men" or "Women" is to generate a link to the respective event result article. That said, you could still generate a link to a Boys or Girls event article by writing "Boy" or "Girl". Also, I haven't tested what happens if you leave that section blank for entries which have no event-article.


 * The issue with using the MedalTable as a general medal list is that it contradicts the whole purpose of the lead-style infobox – infoboxes are intended to convey only the most important information about the subject, and should do so in a brief (not-exhaustive) manner. For example, if we included Carl Lewis's 1980 Pan American Junior medals into the lead section of the article it would give them undue prominence and would only detract from the more significant achievements which have defined him to a much greater extent. The advantage of the AchievementTable template is that international medals can be dealt with in an exhaustive manner in their own specific section, thus they do not detract from or interrupt the article itself. When adding a medal, we should consider whether it is among the foremost achievements of the athlete. If it is not, then it should be placed in an area of the article which carries less importance than the opening lines. SFB 20:44, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I now see what you intended by the youth and junior links. I've changed the template now so you can use CARJ, CACJC or CARY, CACYC and they will produce either a "(U-20)" or "(U-17)" suffix in the competition title, respectively. SFB 10:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Are external links to images in accordance with Wikipedia rules?
In my opinion pictures of athletes in biographical articles are very important. Because of copyright issues I try to realize this by external links.

Are there any objections or are there violations of Wikipedia rules?

I think links to external sources as here should not pose any problems.

But what about links to commercial sites selling images as here?

CroesJ (talk) 20:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The relevant guideline is External links (especially #5) and External links; I don't see a problem with either example you gave. Dru of Id (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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Table formatting
Hi CroesJ! I've noticed you've been changing table formatting in the achievement tables, such as here. When creating a table, it is generally best to use the "class=wikitable" element, rather than the bare html code you are using. There are a number of good reasons for doing this (out lined at WP:Deviations) with the basic ones being better accessibility for users (particularly disabled/visually impaired users) and style consistency for readers. If your issue with the AchievementTable template is one of size (and not simply visual style), then it's possible to use the following code instead: class=wikitable style="text-align:center; font-size: 90%;"

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A well-deserved barnstar
Also, you may think about joining WikiProject Athletics. --bender235 (talk) 00:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

More formatting issues
Hi CroesJ, I've noticed you have been introducing some unusual formatting into articles, primarily introducing large spaces between the sections of the article such as here. Note that the formal style is to leave one blank line between the sections as multiple ones create needless sections of whitespace. Also, when there is very little prose, it is useful to leave it together in one section, rather than creating numerous small sections (and forcing tables of content) such as this. Condensing small sections makes the article more readable and accessible for users.

I wish I had noticed this a bit earlier because these issues are now spread in a large number of athlete articles. If you could leave out/remove these spaces in future that would be very helpful! Take care. SFB 15:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added the Bolivarian Games here. It's a bit of a quick edit, so tell me if there are any errors in using it! SFB 06:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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I don't know how to remove it.CroesJ (talk) 20:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, it's been deleted now by User:Fuhghettaboutit. You can put duplicate on the file page for a situation like that where a duplicate has been uploaded. Happy editing. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * (e/c) It's done. Though there was nothing wrong at all with requesting the deletion in this way, since this request could only be fulfilled by an administrator, it would have been more targeted to use Admin help. Also, you can request deletion of pages you create directly by adding to the page the speedy deletion template: db-g7 (see the criteria for speedy deletion). I say this just for future reference. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
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Template:International athletics
Hi CroesJ, thanks for welcoming me back. I've tweaked the format on the template now so that the links are aligned. Great work on all the racewalking articles and the regional athletics articles too! Those articles have been underdeveloped for a long time. Mostly, I think, because so few editors here care about them very much! Thanks. SFB 20:37, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Formatting issues
Hi CroesJ. I actually disagree with most of what is on the Athletics biographies style guide. A lot of it contradicts the wider Wikipedia style guide lines. The usage of flags in place of the country name particularly stands out as particularly poor usage because it assumes that the user knows what country the flag belongs to. I think your editing style before was actually better! I'm going to make some changes to the guidelines to bring it in line with the more reasonable site-wide guidelines.

In terms of differing athlete names in results, normally I do the following:
 * 1) Check that the target article is at the most common name
 * 2) Move the article if not or change the results link you've added to the correct name
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 * 4) Make sure the alternate name is documented on the article if it is used by many sources

There is no real right or wrong on this, but I find it's most useful to document the other names. Otherwise, it might not be clear that, for example, Ana Cláudia Lemos is the same person as Ana Cláudia Silva. SFB 16:34, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also - good work on the ALBA Games! I have a particular interest in that region and it's good to see it getting coverage. SFB 17:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Cuban athlete names present an unusual challenge because they are often completely made up! This BBC article explores their naming culture. I agree that listing all the names right at the start can be quite disruptive (a similar problem emerges with Russian transcriptions). I always add name variations in the "ALTERNATIVE NAMES" part of the persondata at the bottom of the page. Although not visible while reading, these will be picked up by search engines if the other name is searched.
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Thank your for edits in both Fanny Chalas and Luguelin Santos. You should take a look here. The Chalas article should include referenced prose information about all the results you just included. Probably in must of the articles that you have included that box. That should be a brief of all information, but not the information. In know is time consuming, but is the only way going forward. Thanks again, and keep working. Osplace 00:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@Osplace: Con mucho gusto. Normally, I work on results pages for athletics events, not on athlete's bios. But sometimes I feel responsible when generating all these links to bios. Just working on the bios for Athletics at the 2014 Central American and Caribbean Games – Results. There were 400+ participants with about 150-200 bios existing. Working already for more than 4 weeks. I can tell you, it is quite labourious to retrieve as many results as possible per bio. This work is cumbersome and time consuming enough. Achievement tables summarize these results in brief. A picture is worth a thousand words. Of course, I mean table rather than picture. In achievement tables, we use a method I would call "indirect referencing": results and/or events are linked to the corresponding event pages, where you can easily verify the published information in corresponding external links and/or references. For example, Fany Chalas: I could retrieve that she appeared in more than 15 international competitions in more than 30 events. Is this list complete? No idea, but I do not think so. Nevertheless, we are Wikipedia, and everybody is invited to expand the article. One could have added some sentences about her personal life translating the newspaper article (she is the daughter of Víctor Chalas and Gloria Frías, the oldest of 7 siblings, member of the armed forces, wants to study architecture, ...), but referenced prose information about all the results for all 200 athlete bios of only this single competition? I would be busy for more than a year.

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