User talk:Cyclopaedic

Greetings!

I'm Cyclopaedic, a middle-aged lawyer in England with a lifelong interest in military history, so most of my contributions are on one or other of those topics. I contributed purely for fun, and have now retired from active editing due to artistic differences..

The only two articles I've been solely responsible for writing are Barrage (artillery) and Cavalié Mercer. I made very slow progress on revising Trench warfare but only managed the first few paragraphs.

The rather pretentious username was chosen at random when I first logged on, and I've regretted it ever since.

Thank you for viewing my user talk page. Share and enjoy.

Cyclopaedic (talk) 12:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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Barrage
Well done with this article so far - have you considered adding yourself to the (small and slightly sleepy) Military Science task force? There is a big weakness in Wikipedia's coverage of tactics and doctrine as opposed to shiny equipment, impressive explosions and bloody battles. Regards, The Land (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're quite right - I think the problem with many doctrine articles is that they require quite broad knowledge of an area where there is relatively little popular writing. E.g. the perfect article on infantry tactics would have a lot of insight about how infantry has worked for the last 2,500 years, and since there are relatively few good accessible accounts of how infantry tactics worked even in World War II, this is obviously a challenge. I think one can overcome it by working on smaller articles first; I and a few others were able to write battleship, but naval warfare would have been to big a task. I agree there's a lot to do with air burst - good luck with it! The Land (talk) 14:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Consensus sought
I am trying to achieve a consensus on Forward air control's content. I am sending you this note because you are already on the article's talk page.

Georgejdorner (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I have a proposed new section on history of Forward air control in Vietnam posted on my user page, and am inviting comment on it. Read it, and you will see that forward air control hasn't always been limited to Close air support.

Also, on the talk page, we may be trying to develop a consensus on direction of the article.

Georgejdorner (talk) 07:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Forward Air Control
I noticed that you have made a number of edits to Forward Air Control, they appears to be some discussion about the purpose and direction of the article. Can I suggest you stop editing the article until this is cleared up. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum
Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 20:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Fisher
What is your source for Jackie rather than Jacky? The lives of Fisher by Bacon and Mackay don't use the former and the edited papers by Marder don't either. --Simon Harley (talk | library | book reviews) 20:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Could I ask you to revisit the move discussion, some pertinent points have surfaced. Thanks, regards, Woody (talk) 12:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Erwin Rommel
I should never try to fix spelling... I know better :) thanks for this edit []  RP459 (talk) 14:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Allied war crimes during World War II
Talk:Allied war crimes during World War II basically you and I are arguing from the same hymn sheet see for example Talk:Urban warfare/Archive 1 and Talk:Last stand. Sometimes a way to fix the problem is to do what was done with Genocide and Torture where the lists were spun out into Genocides in history and Uses of torture in recent times, but in such cases one has to fight a continual war to stop new stubby POV lists appearing in the parent articles and the spun off articles are such POV minefields that they can never become good articles. --PBS (talk) 10:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I am suggesting a different solution for the history of terrorism but I doubt it will happen and I seem to be fighting a loosing battle to stop Terror bombing morphing back into the POV list it was before I made a radical change a few months ago. -- PBS (talk) 10:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

About naming
I used William John Charles Kennedy-Cochran-Patrick's entire name in the article because all the sources I found used it. He apparently did not shorten it for everyday use.

When I begin one of these articles, I use the name already in the list of World War I aces. If it turns out the ace is referred to differently, I will move the article when I finish with it--after all the votes are in, so to speak. I also disambiguate as needed.

Georgejdorner (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

hello
I notice that you have reported me for no conceivable reason. i belive that we also have a dispute to sort out. in my opinion the majority of the wiki population who read men of harlech article would prefer it if the lyrics were viewable on there. i hope this case can be resolved soon.

Shrapnel shell
I see you are making useful improvements to this article. You may be in mid-edit, but could I just suggest adding inline citations where there is new information added (eg "known as Boxer shrapnel"). Otherwise it may get deleted or given a Fact tag. The paragraphs are already cited and we need to make sure that we don't add information that is not supported by the cited source - unless you're referring to that source, of course. Keep up the good work. Cyclopaedic (talk) 06:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for picking me up on that - I've reviewed my references, and it looks like I incorrectly interpreted what they were saying : "Boxer shrapnel" appears not to have been an offificial designation but more a means of conveniently differentiating it from later steel-walled Shrapnel shells. The 1877 Treatise on Ammunition does not refer to Boxer shrapnel, just Shrapnel. I've referenced the exact text used in the 1887 edition to avoid misunderstandings. Keep up the good work - we need more quality control ! Rod. Rcbutcher (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Human wave attack
You sure kill educating information. I wounder why? Killerman2 (talk) 11:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Miles Dempsey
Hello, Cyclopaedic (whether a misnomer or not) !

Just two remarks (which may be understood as questions as well) :


 * Although I'm not particularly interested in things military, I nonetheless try to add bits of information on pages that deal with this topic when I come across them. I agree with the fact that the etymology of his family name says nothing at all about the person; but I fail to see how this is more or less relevant than stating that he "was a direct descendant of the O'Dempseys of Clanmalier, an aristocratic Gaelic family with a history traceable to a High King of Ireland in the second century A.D." (not to mention his 17th century ancestor). After all, Ó Díomasaigh was the real name of the family, and I think one should rather talk about "the Ó Díomasaighs of Clanmalier" than "the O'Dempseys", a late Anglicized name, if his ancestry has to be mentioned. And given that, I don't consider it irrelevant to explain here, for those who might be interested but who don't know Irish, the meaning of such a name.


 * I also fail to understand the change about the information concerning the district of Caen where the street is : saying "linked with the war" seems a bit vague to me : which war ? Not the war in general (haha), anyway. The town-planners and the city council were careful about not limiting name-giving in this area to WWII personalities, but including references to peace and the making of Europe. You may not be fond of the latter personnally, but suppressing this "non military" information garbles the context in which the name was given. In other words, there is life outside the army (surprisingly enough) :o) !

Regards from across the Channel, Dominique Fournier (talk) 13:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC).

Barrages
Hey there Cyclopaedic,

I thought I might just drop you a line about your recent A Class nomination for Barrage (artillery). I hope you don't get too dismayed about it, especially as it seems a worthy topic for promoting and I reckon it could get to GA fairly easily (Hogg looks like a good source to be working from). I'll admit I was a bit surprised to see it nominated in its current state and was wondering (and I'm just guessing here, not trying to be condescending or anything) if you might have thought that A class review was the next step after B class (understandably). B class and A class are both Mil-hist specific classes, but they bracket the wiki-wide WP:Good Article class. A good overview of the various classes and links to their requirements is here. Of course, you probably know all of this, so apologies for repeating it all.

I'd have thought GA would be a good next target for the article, and to help prepare it I'd recommend a good peer review. These reviews can be done at any time on any article (although preferably one with some content rather than a stub!) and have the benefit of not being as constrained by time as promotion reviews (that normally have a time limit attached to them). Editors generally are happier to pitch in and work towards improvement on a peer review as well, whereas on a promotion review they necessarily need to be more critical.

Anyway, just thought I'd offer some advice. I'm sure you know it all already though, so I'm sorry to state a load of stuff you already know. Feel free to throw any questions my way if you need to, and I'll try and help out. Hope you're enjoying the snow as much as I am, Ranger Steve (talk) 14:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Echoing Steve, I trust the comments are merely informative rather than discouraging. I am very interested in articles on military techniques (I didn't know there was a MilHist/Science), please reply here or at my talk if you'd like to collaborate. The major challenge for a copy-editor is always a lack of access to sources and therefore citations. Standards for the required density of inline citations has grown over the years and are now very high. If you can improve inline citations, that removes the last fundamental barrier to moving forward. Dhatfield (talk) 19:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I gave up editing Wikipedia at this point. To have an article I had worked on for two years ranked back to start-class (=worthless) made me realise how much of my time I had been wasting. I thought I might come back to it, but I haven't. Wikipedia is a great idea, but it's been hijacked by a clique whose ambition is to invent arcane rules and then demonstrate how clever they are by showing how they can apply the the rules at the expense of everyone else. They then spend their time in mutual congratulation and giving each other awards for producing articles on narrow topics that comply with the rules but contribute nothing to to the real world of knowledge.Those whose motivation is to improve access to knowledge get squeezed out by the rules-merchants. I had a foretaste when someone told me I had to learn to love the m-dash policy! Life's too short. Worst of all, I had started to do the same things myself, and I realised I was spending all my editing time defending articles against the edits of others, many malicious but others who simply didn't read the rule-book. So I've gone to get a life! Cyclopaedic (talk) 20:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Life? Overrated.  I'll be happy to help you get this article up to A-class, you've done some excellent research. - Dank (push to talk) 20:32, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Mercer Memorial
You might be interested to know that some 20 meters down the road from the Mercer stone is another stone commemorating a French cuirassier who was killed at Waterloo. Maybe one of Mercer's boys did it, eh?Kurzon (talk) 23:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

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46th Division


You might find this interesting.Keith-264 (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you Keith, yes, I downloaded that yesterday from your link in the article, and it's very interesting. My grandfather's battalion (1/5 Leicesters) was in reserve and not heavily engaged on 13 October, so it did not get the mauling many other units did. my great-uncle was not so lucky: he was medical officer to an artillery brigade in 21st Division, and was killed at Loos on 26 September whilst tending a wounded man by the guns. Cyclopaedic (talk) 13:17, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I had a look at your barrage article, having noticed your cri de coeur and thought that it wouldn't take much copy editing to make it B-class. It rather reminded me of my lack of knowledge of Wiki writing conventions when I started to do more than remove commas next to and. ;O) If you're interested there are quite a few downloadable books on Archives org which I add to the bibliographies on the pages I work on. Keith-264 (talk) 13:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


 * British 21st Infantry Division on the Western Front 1914–1918: A Case Study in Tactical Evolution might be interesting too.Keith-264 (talk) 13:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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German castellology terms seeping in
Hi. Since you've been the one to first go against the enWiki Blitz, here is the latest iteration of this New Battle of English: Talk:Ordensburg. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 01:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm no longer active on Wikipedia but I've replied supporting your point. Best, Cyclopaedic (talk) 08:27, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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Survey about History on Wikipedia
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If you have any questions, please let me know. Petros Apostolopoulos, paposto@ncsu.edu Apolo1991 (talk) 15:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations opening soon
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are opening in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 1 September). A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting opening soon!
Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election opens in a few hours (00:01 UTC on 15 September) and will last through 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Correction to previous election announcement
Just a quick correction to the prior message about the 2022 MILHIST coordinator election! I didn't proofread the message well enough and left out a link to the election page itself in this message. The voting will occur here; sorry about the need for a second message and the inadvertent omission from the prior one. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soon
Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election closes soon, at 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. The voting itself is occurring here If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election have opened. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:04, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Voting for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for 2023 is now open!
Voting is now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for 2023! The the top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Cast your votes vote here and here respectively. Voting closes at 23:59 on 30 December 2023. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)