User talk:Daniel Case/Archive 2005-3/10/2006

Welcome!
Hi Daniel Case, and a warm welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you have enjoyed editing as much as I did so far and decide to stay. Unfamiliar with the features and workings of Wikipedia? Don't fret! Be Bold! Here's some good links for your reference and that'll get you started in no time!

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Oh yes, don't forget to sign when you write on talk pages, simply type four tildes, like this: ~. This will automatically add your name and the time after your comments. And finally, if you have any questions or doubts, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Once again, welcome! =)

- Mailer Diablo 06:42, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fwd : Dean Hill Motors speedy delete
Hi Daniel,

This following message was posted on my talkpage, I think it's more of addressed to you rather than me :

"Hi Daniel, just following up with the speedy delete request. This page, in my opinion, is of great historical value to the residents of the upper valley region of New Hampshire and should not be subject to deletion. If there is any content in my post that you feel is inappropriate, I would invite you to please let me know, thanks."

"Carl Levine of 69.173.102.115"

If you have questions regarding this mesage, please feel free to leave a note on my talkpage.

- Best regards, Mailer Diablo 19:59, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Stewart International Airport
Great job on the article revisions! I am a midwesterner, but last summer we were visiting my brother in New Windsor, New York. I am interested in military and aviation history, and as I drove past Stewart, I saw a couple of small business jets and I thought, this looks like a former military field. Then we went around the corner and '''Holy Crap! a C-5 Galaxy!!''', and then I saw a couple of more C-5's! So when I got home I tried to learn more about the airfield and wrote some of the earlier revisions, but your article really tells the whole story. Thanks again --Rogerd 05:11, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Trail blazing image
I don't mind you replacing my image of a typical blaze with your own, but... my whole point in adding an image of an actual blaze was to illustrate how very different from the idealized image of a blaze were the actual blazes that a hiker was likely to see. Yours, on the other hand, looks almost exactly like the idealized image, and unlike almost any blaze I've seen in real life in forty years of hiking. You can keep it that way if you want to, but then I'm not sure what value the photo has. -- Mwanner 15:25, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I was going to let you know I'd replaced the image, but you saw already.

My main problem with your image was that it was decentered. The blaze, which should have been the subject of said image, was practically up against the edge. It was hard to determine what it was about.

That blaze is quite real, I assure you. Granted, I looked for one that would illustrate the concept. And maybe, given the color-correcting I did on it as well as that I used a flash, it does look good. But the other image simply didn't, IMO, work for the article. We needed an image that didn't need explaining.

BTW, I am looking for some images to illustrate the other kinds of blazes I described. If you have some good ones, feel free to put them up.Daniel Case 05:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem, I'll get a turn signal as soon as there's some halfway decent weather for hiking. But my idea of the right kind of picture would be one that illustrates the reality, not the concept-- it would be a typical blaze: messy, only roughly rectangular, possibly hard to see; like the ones you see every day. -- Mwanner 12:09, July 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * I understand, but for articles here my feeling is that you need to illustrate the concept, not the reality, unless there's good reason to do so. Of course, maybe we could fit your image in to show that sometimes blazes aren't so easy to spot, making sort of a diptych with mine.


 * Probably a good idea to replace that diagram with maybe some actual blazes ... not all of them are actually used (I have never seen that spur sign, though it's probably not a bad idea to use it). I'm not sure about that diagram's copyright status in any event; it might be a good candidate for deletion and the file gives no source.


 * Hey, do you live around here in the HV? We ought to hike together sometime.Daniel Case 19:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, I added a turn signal blaze, and I readded my original photo, cropped to emphasize the blaze more and captioned to indicate that it's an example of a "rectangular" blaze that ain't.


 * As for the six blazes diagram, I wouldn't be too quick to replace it. For one thing, that spur trail that we've never seen might be used out west or somewhere we haven't hiked. Meanwhile, I'm going to add something to its caption about turn signals not always being stepped in the direction of the turn.  See the AT talk page for a cranky comment on that issue by User:TJ aka Teej.


 * And as to the Trail Signage idea, I'm not sure I know what you mean-- those "Summit -> 6 miles" signs? I think you could sneak that into this article without renaming it.  If you do decide to rename it, I'd suggest adding a #REDIRECT from the original title to the new title (and change the redirect that presently goes from Blazes to Trail Blazing to point to the new title).


 * And yes, I do live nearby-- I'm about a 15 minute hike from the Kitchen Stairs on the Suffern-BearMountain trail. But I'm sorry to say that when I go into the woods, it's generally to get away from people, rather than to be sociable.  On the other hand, if Wikipedia ever holds a meetup in the area (you'd think this would be an obvious place for one), I might see you there.


 * Happy hiking. -- Mwanner 00:44, July 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, of course I'll redirect it. But I think it should be "trail blazing and signage" because those two are really related. As I revised the article, I got to realizing that from a semiotic perspective there's more going on than you realize (which is of course the idea). There are similar issues with signage (how much? What do you sign?) that are worth a discussion.Daniel Case 21:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Hudson River crossings
I figure i let you know that you might want to keep an eye on that category, i tried to do the same with bridges of the Delaware River only to have it placed on WP:CFD and deleted without anyone notifing me, as the creator, of it's pending deletion. I used not to put categorues on my watchlist, because of the limited amount of edits to them, but i leard me lesson, just figure i give you a heads up, so you don't get bit either. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 03:54, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Trail and Trail Blazing Pic

 * Daniel: Sure thing man, you could have moved that photo. I took care of it though.

Thanks so much for working on New York. Please continue. Stepp-Wulf 03:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC).

Quick draw
That was one quick stub sort on deer horn. 24.54.208.177 06:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've seen faster from others with some of my own creations.Daniel Case 06:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Barbara Warner
Checking the page's history it's evident that your statement that your "first attempt to put this up there was removed" is false. More likely there was a problem with the cache that meant you did not see the result of your edit immediately. Perhaps, in future, you should actually make sure that your accusations are correct before you make them?


 * Yes, you're right. That's exactly what happened. I will remove that from the VfD page.

I suggest you address the article on its own merits or lack thereof rather than attack editors and impugn their motives. My motivation for adding the article is that I read on a discussion board that she was running for the NDP nomination in Toronto Danforth (an important nomination as the riding is currently held by the NDP). Therefore, this makes her notable, at least for the moment (particularly as there are no other candidates for the nomination, at least none that I know of). No, I don't know Barbara Warner and I don't support her candidacy - again, in future stick to facts, not speculation. Homey 04:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I still don't think that someone's seeking office makes her notable. There has to be something else.


 * Again, thanks. I will edit the VfD page and apologize there. Daniel Case 05:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree she's borderline. I think the significant factor is that she is a candidate for the nomination a riding her party currently holds and that she's run before but I'm not going to go to the wall over it.Homey 15:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Catskill Escarpment
Hi Daniel. Yes, you're right, I went overboard in un-capping it in the first instance, where it is used in the phrase "Catskill Escarpment" (and I have now changed it back). But I think that in subsequent uses (without "Catskill") it should be lower case, just as one writes, e.g., "Slide Mountain" and then "...the mountain is..." -- Mwanner | Talk 20:00, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and, bye-the-bye, nice work on the addition to the article! -- Mwanner | Talk 20:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Benchmark on USGS map.gif
Hi! Thanks for the image that you added to the Benchmark (surveying) page, however, I noticed that this actually appears to show a triangulation station (horizontal control) and not a benchmark (vertical control). There is a section within this article that refers to triangulation stations, so the image is OK but the image name needs changed to something like 'Triangulation Station on USGS map.gif'. As images cannot be moved, I was wondering if you would upload the image again with a new name and add that to the article, I can then delete the current image. Thanks,  JeremyA 02:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

The Lovely Bones
You're welcome -- I actually stumbled across The Lovely Bones by Random page, and I was struck by how complete and thoughtful the article was. By all means, take it to Peer Review. You'll want to cite sources in a "references" section; that'll probably be the first thing they'll look for. They may also ask for a shorter plot summary section, and justification for anything that looks like original research or personal opinion, so review the text carefully for that. But I think this could absolutely make a featured article with a little work. Keep up the fine contributions to this, your Catskills articles, and the rest of Wikipedia! &mdash; Catherine\talk 19:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

newsmax
You nominated NewsMax Misinformaton for speedy on the grounds that there's already another article with this title. I assume you really mean that there is another article with a very similar title. If so, I suggest you convert NewsMax Misinformaton into a redirect. -- RHaworth 07:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Raven Riley Speedy Delete
I removed the deletion tag from Raven Riley. It just doesn't meet the requirements for a speedy delete. If you think it should be deleted, please put it through the AfD process, but honestly, I think it's encyclopedic. -- Dpark 03:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem. It just reads like promo material.

The Mosquito (product) Speedy Delete
Hey I removed the tag from the article. I think you added it before the user added a link to the CNET article which gave it some verifiability. It doesn't seem to fall under any criteria for speedy deletion anymore. Might qualify for AfD if you want though. Mrtea 05:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The Roboticists Speedy Delete
Hi Daniel, I pulled the speedy tag from Roboticists and put it up for AfD instead. Sadly promo material doesn't meet CSD requirements--you can check them out specifically at WP:CSD. Nice job tagging this one, though! Keep up the good patrols! --Dvyost 08:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Alex Raisbeck
Cheers for putting the cats on the page --Paolo Meccano 15:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Dean Goldfine
Thanks for putting the cats on the page. :D Noelle De Guzman 16:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Corey Maye...
...is being posted for deletion, so I hope you'd like to put your input in. I want to congratulate you for your hard work on that article, and give you a barnstar:



take care,  ε  γκυκλοπαίδεια  *  (talk)  19:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. His name seems to be spelled with an e.  ε  γκυκλοπαίδεια  *  (talk)  19:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Daniel, Please understand that my nominations for deletion are not in any way personal. The issue is the reliability of the sources and the notability of the person. Anyone can add a website or add comments to a blog. Until it has serious media attention, notability is an issue. Clearly this article will be kept as enough buzz on this case has already been generated, even without media coverage. If anything, the article will be improved as it will gain more editing attention, and I appreciate your efforts in wikifying and improving this article. NoSeptember  talk  23:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * People reviewing an AfD usually view the article and can see at a glance that it has been wikified, they don't always think to check "What links here" and without incoming links, how can the typical encyclopedia user navigate to the article from somewhere else on wiki? NoSeptember   talk  23:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Robin Bush
I see your source is "Bush on the Couch". However, there are many criticisms of this book over its apparent bias on Amazon.com. BlueGoose 01:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Amazon reviews are not considered reliable sources. Daniel Case 02:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * And there's no way to verify the reliabilty of this book either. Just because an author has an opinion about something doesn't make it fact.  BlueGoose 03:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The issue at hand is whether "Bush on the Couch" is a reliable source or not. The burden of proof is on you to prove that is per Wikipedia guidelines or general common sense.  BlueGoose 03:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * See pages 221-238 of the book. I will incorporate all those into the reference section as well since they are primary sources.


 * I am having serious difficulty assuming good faith here. You set yourself up with a user account here only two days ago; my user page gets vandalized for the first time in almost a year since I set it up; you erroneously claim that "Wikipedia is not for children", and then you add section heds to the Robin Bush talk page which weren't there before. Not anything I've ever seen before. Daniel Case 03:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Are you accusing me of vandalizing your user page? I thought this was an open, honest discussion, but your resort to ad hominem attacks show otherwise. BlueGoose 03:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I accuse you of nothing. I'm merely noting that it occurred for the first time today despite a year of engaging in some often contentious edits. Daniel Case 03:51, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * And you imply that was me. I went to your user page and I saw that NoahTheGreat was the one that vandalized your page.  I don't know if this can be done, but have some admin or moderator compare IP addresses on these two accounts if you really think we're one in the same.  I'll attest that this is the only account that I've been on in any computer at my home.  My debates are purely intellectual and I have no reason to be upset (nor am I upset right now) over disagreements.  In fact, I think it's fun to discuss through honest issues.  BlueGoose 03:59, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Whatever. It's Sunday night, I'm getting tired and I just expanded the references section in the article. Have a look. Daniel Case 04:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey I'm brand new on here and I was reading the Lovely Bones article you wrote and wondered if you could help me out with how to do things on here?

Well, you need to let me know where to help you out. Sign your post with four tildes if you have a user account ... I know of no other way to get in touch with you.

Merging Condensation (chemistry) into Condensation reaction
You beat me to it. I was just about to put the merger template on the Condensation (chemistry) article when I saw you turn it into a redirect. H Padleckas 18:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Daniel Chichester Case
You're probably aware of this, maybe even related, but just in case you're not, I stumbled across this site, and thought I should pass it on. Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 19:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Slide Mountain Wilderness Area
Sorry about that. Next time, you might want to try, which lets other editors know not to mess with it. Deltabeignet 20:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Tags
If you like, I can reduce the block time... :-) --HappyCamper 05:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

new coke fiasco
OK, I'll check out the external links in the New Coke article for verification, thanks for responding.--Ikiroid 16:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Stub update request
Hello. Could you please update the stub category for the Bright article? I made a correction to the article's content. Folajimi 05:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Battleplan
That was fast! Didn't realize there was a cat for "defunct" magazines. I've added another wargaming magazine title to that category as well. Thanks! And for catching the cat/sub-cat thing too, wasn't sure.


 * Amazing the things you learn when you do newarticle patrol. There also really ought to be a "Defunct gaming magazines" subcat, too. Daniel Case 07:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Sago Mine
Thanks for the cleanup, I'm typing on the fly here so it is appreciated. Question, however. I am leery about calling it a "disaster" as of yet. It probably will be an appropriate title shortly, but I wonder if calling it a disaster at this time is a little premature, in that they may all be saved? Maybe just a matter of semantics, but what do you think? Tokyojoe2002 04:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Good job putting an end to all that confusing name-switching. Crazy! Bbpen 17:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Kudos! Joe McCullough | (talk) 17:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I butted into this issue because I saw that it had been copied and pasted from one title to another. This should never be done as we need to keep the edit history in one location. &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  17:35, Jan. 4, 2006

I kinda figured that. If the move button won't let you move it, it's because there's something sitting in the way already. Cases like that require an admin to delete the obstruction first, so the page can be properly moved. I've moved it to a previously unforseen title, 2005 Sago Mine incident which is neutral, and specific in case somebody makes the same mistake twice. We'll see how long it lasts &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  17:50, Jan. 4, 2006


 * Careful. 2005 was last year. Bbpen 19:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Stop it! You are leaving double and triple redirects behind and leaving talk pages stranded in the wilderness. Just go to the talk page and discuss it for a bit like everyone else. -Splash talk 17:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

SEKOLAH MENENGAH KEBANGSAAN TEKNIK BUKIT PIATU
Hi. I'm sorry, I was able to translate from en but no to en. My english is bad. borgx (talk ) 01:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You can try ask Earth. He is Malay native speaker (The article is written in Malay). borgx (talk ) 06:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Origins of The Cask of Amontillado
Do you have any sources to cite for the original story you cited in The Cask of Amontillado? It's a neat story if true, but I can't seem to find any supporting evidence. Aaron D. Ball 15:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Google the filmmaker Eric Norcross and there is some information about some of his projects which include but aren't limited to various fan-sites, famous.com and other actor websites. I see no reason why you flagged this article.

-Katherine Johnson

Snowshoes
Wow, great job with Snowshoe. -Will Beback 20:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Maurice Seezer
Thanks for adding the categories for me. I'm pretty new and appreciate the help!

Jmcnally 17:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image placement in articles (Krazy Kat)
I will take this into consideration and will probably shift the images around again after the article makes FA. Thanks for the advice and the vote of support. Andrew Levine 06:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Alex Bogomolov Jr
Hi, I added some info to the tennis player article, including his #1 USTA ranking in 2000, his defeat of Andy Roddick, and his defeat this week of Fernando Gonzalez, (Chile's #1 ranked player) at the 2006 Australian Open. 69.106.132.43 02:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Why move the glossary of rhetorical terms to list?
Dear Daniel: I'm trying to understand why you found it necessary to move our glossary of rhetorical terms to a list of rhetorical terms. Before calling it "glossary," I checked several other wiki glossaries and thought our project fit into that category. To my understanding, a "list" is merely a list of words without definitions, whereas a glossary provides a brief definition for each term. Can you explain your rationale? Thanks. --Matt 16:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Glossary/List
Thanks for the eloquent and helpful response, Daniel. I understand what you're saying perfectly. When I was starting the glossary, I noticed that several of the pages dedicated to the terms were themselves only a sentence or two--a brief definition that could have been found in a dictionary rather than an encyclopedia. My plan is to gradually widen the scope of these limited articles. I have a class full of eager-beaver rhetoric grad students who would likely generate pages of text for each term once I let them loose.

One advantage of doing this as a glossary rather than a list (that I can think of, anyway), is having short definitions for all the rhetorical terms in one convenient window, rather than having to open up a bunch of windows. What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks again, --Matt 17:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Glossary
Thanks, Daniel. I put up my thoughts and rationale for the page here, though I'm not sure it's in the right place. I haven't had to do this before. --Matt 17:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks again. As I said before, I haven't been in this situation before, and am making one mistake after another in dealing with it properly. --Matt 17:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks from me too for helping out over the page move and AfD. Would have been a shame if that project had been empeded by over-zealous AfD voting. Lukas (T. 19:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Amplification (rhetoric)
What a lovely article! Like you, I'm a budding "deletionist;" I troll the new articles page looking for articles that could be listed for deletion. How nice to find an article that was the exact opposite of those criteria. -Ikkyu2 03:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

New Main Page Election talks - your input is needed
A discussion has begun on how to handle an official election for replacing the Main Page. To ensure it is set up sensibly and according to consensus, your input is needed there. --Go for it! 23:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Edit of User:Thesquire/List of annoying AfD behaviors
Thanks for adding a few points, especially the one on vandalism - that type of behavior's usually enough to nudge even the Inclusionists towards typing Delete. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 21:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Action Park
Daniel, the Action Park article is great, one of the most intriguing things I've ever seen on wikipedia. Thanks for it. Did the park visitors know about the level of danger? Was it part of the attraction? --Lockley 19:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey Daniel, thanks for the great response. Please do email me that Weird NJ article when you get a chance -- I'm at walt at placedoctor.com. --Lockley 06:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Chip Coffey
I created a page about up-and-coming psychic/medium, Chip Coffey and you posted that it needed cleanup. I have edited the page and hope that it can remain on Wikipedia. If there is something more that it needs, can you please advise. Thanks.

152.163.100.139 22:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Greta Refert

Thank you so very much for your help. I sincerely appreciate it.

152.163.100.139 22:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Greta Refert

Image:Miracle at the meadowlands.jpg
To be honest, I uploaded that image several months ago and I do not remember the exact NFL films title I took it from. They have used it on several tapes and DVDs, so I will just name a title off the top of my head: Turf Talk: 100 Greatest Sound Bites. 1995. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Schunemunk
I've added the section on Styranovski's death. I'll leave the infobox and the picture to you &mdash; I'm carless in NYC, so it's not terribly convenient for me. Must sleep now, as I'm dayhiking up the southern end of the Long Path tomorrow/today. Choess 06:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Tops Markets image
The hi-res image I uploaded is from the intranet site, but I know for a fact it was widely used in advertising material and in the newspaper several years ago, for the company's 40th anniversary. I'm not sure if that changes anything though. --Lc 04 23:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured!
I just wanted to let you know that Pink Floyd is now (finally!) a featured article. Thanks for the comment that helped get it there. - dharmabum 23:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Robert Caro
Robert Caro has a master's degree from Columbia as listed on the article for the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. That is where I got the information for a Columbia alumni listing. Prez2016

Psst
Check out this page. Pass it along. Nudge nudge. -- evrik 17:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Protocols
Thanks for your help, it really improved the article. --Goodoldpolonius2 21:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it should go on the front page as well. I don't have time right now, but would be happy to help if you want to get the ball rolling. --Goodoldpolonius2 17:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Man of Nature (1979)
Please revisit this discussion regarding additional articles for deletion. -- Krash (Talk) 17:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly sure you won't object to this recent addition to the AfD: Man of Nature IV (1988) -- Krash (Talk) 05:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup
Thanks for helping to copyedit. Being a part of the team which has improved the article slowly, it is nice to get the article polished by fresh eyes -- I think I have enough World Cup for the next few years! Ha! — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 05:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to thank you for your help with the FIFA World Cup article. So sad the nomination failed, but thanks nevertheless! Conscious 20:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your kind words! Damned with faint praise, maybe? :) Nach0king 09:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Route 416
Daniel: Thanks for working on WP:NYSR, Route 416. I moved Highway 416 to Route 416 since that is the naming convention we are going with as per the NYSDOT names of state-numbered-roads. --Censorwolf 21:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Route 17K
Nice work. For a road page, this is looking pretty nice! --Censorwolf 20:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Cool pix. We do live in a beautiful part of the country. --Censorwolf 20:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Jennifer Fitzgerald
Hi, thanks for your message re the above. It's nice to know my contribution was appreciated. I've been in a deadlock myself (see Talk:Saatchi_Gallery and third party contact seemed to do the trick. I think Wicki forces us to have to approach things slightly differently from how we would normally do things, and we're all learning about a unique collaboration. But at the end of the day I think those who are dedicated and of good-will will win through. And after all, the bottom line is to make a valid presentation of the subject.

PS There is somewhere you can put a notice to ask for outside assistance and also for formal outside moderation.

Best Tyrenius 17:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess I'm not as patient as you! There seems so much work to be done on articles, particularly art, which is what I concentrate on mostly. All's well that ends well, as they say.

Tyrenius 18:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

NJ Collaboration of the Week
Thanks for participating in Wikiproject New Jersey. In an attempt to create articles for some of the non-existing pages related to New Jersey, NJCOTW was recently created to bring members of WP:NJ together to work collaboratively on a certain selected topic, which this week is List of Governors of New Jersey. Please help by nominating/voting/commenting on articles on WP:NJCOTW, or by helping to improve articles in the scope of the topic for the NJCOTW. AndyZ 00:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)