User talk:Daniel Case/Archive 3/10/2006-9/24/2006

In regards to the Richard Kuklinski image
You're absolutely right on that, I labeled the image incorrectly. Thanks for changing it/letting me know. If you find any other errors or inconsistencies in anything I've contributed feel free to send me another message and I'll do what I can to correct it. Thanks! Dugrad 05:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the moves.... we're trying to find a way to prevent SPUI from moving these pages and all the ones in CA aganist consensus... and we're trying to pass WP:NC/NH. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  21:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC) Ditto. --Censorwolf 03:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

dude
man, pisslips is a real movie, although it is very obscure. althought the number of people who commited suicide bit is a bit over the top

NY Routes List
Daniel: Hope you're ok with me tablizing the routes list List of State Routes in New York. It looks nicer, but it makes it more difficult to modify. --Censorwolf 17:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I started building a table in "Category:New York State articles needing work" to show status of each route page. All NY route pages now comply to the current standard name "New York State Route N"
 * BTW: I think we are neighbors. I live just over the border from you in Sullivan County. And I mean "just" over the border. I can see it from my front door. --Censorwolf 19:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hi Daniel, I've just been browsing and come across barnstars ,which reminded me of your kind offer to award me one if you could for my work on Jennifer Fitzgerald. It seems fairly straightforward and the advice is to be bold! This could be a first (and last) so if the offer is still on, please go ahead. You just place place the following on my user talk page (I've left off the first two square brackets to stop it creating the link on your page):

Image:Barnstar.png|100px|left|The Original Barnstar|frame|Your message here, then 4 tildes to sign your name]]

Best Tyrenius 16:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It's made my afternoon! You forgot the 4 tildes (~) by the way. I'm glad the article is now undisputed. I notice there is no mention of this on George H.W. Bush  article, not even under the "See also" section. I was tempted to insert it, but I think it might involve a dispute, which I'm not prepared to enter into, but I thought I should mention it to you. Tyrenius 16:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Unenrolled
has created basically the same article under two other titles at Party Government and Political commentary. They are much, much worse than the version at Unenrolled in which he has, by his viewpoint, removed the POV. I recommend bundling them all into your AfD. Fan1967 02:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Bundling AfD's
It's easy, when you haven't created the other AfD's yet. For each of the other articles, put the AfD tag on the page. Then go edit it again and change the tag under this article's entry to say "Unenrolled" instead of the article's name.

Then go to the AfD, add the other articles to the header, like so:
 * ===Unenrolled, Party Government and Political commentary===

Then add a note to the bottom of the AfD that you have added in the other articles. It's also traditional to leave a note on the User page of anyone who's voted, asking if they'll support the additional AfD's. Fan1967 03:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Unenrolled
You sure about that second one? -- Rory 0 96 03:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment It's basically the same as the first, though not as bad as the third. Fan1967 03:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it was just a bad link on my part. Daniel Case 03:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Lonely Bones Please Read
Read The names were in fact submitted by IMdb's personel and however you may feel it is invalid or a "Dream Cast" it is not. Other pages have rumors yet you all assume this data is false. I feel you should not delete it, but perhaps add 'rumored' as other pages have, making it an innocent (but true) statement. I appreaciate this chance, as I feel that some users (who will go unnamed) have been rudely deleting all my efforts to expand this webpage, and I always post information I know is true.

Requests for comment/SPUI
Has been started. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  03:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Western Front (World War I)

 * Congratulations on the article's promotion. Just wanted to let you know, since I didn't see anyone else do it, that I have nominated the article for main page placement.


 * I hope this won't cause anyone any problems. If it does, let me know and I'll withdraw it. Daniel Case 22:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. No, no problem here. &mdash; RJH 14:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The Avari
Reading the guidelines for articles on bands (after I created the article of course) there's little defence to offer against its deletion! So its a shame, but fair enough, it was probably more promotional than factual in retrospect. Wanted to ask though, "Trivia section is going to BJAODN", BJAODN?

I think though that it was used by someone (or a group of people) I see doing a lot of vandalism on Wikipedia, one less avenue for them to use! Alastairward

Malcolm Shabazz
Agree, but I did not call the edit vandalism. Here's what I wrote:
 * (I am removing the reference to Goshen High School because the contributor has a history composed almost entirely of vandalism. If you have a source (I don't), please feel free to add it again.)

My comment makes clear the reason for my removing the Goshen reference, and at the same time explicitly allows replacement with attribution, so it's clear that I believe is has a chance of being bona fide. On a side note, I enjoyed the three AfD's you have list under "a complete ass". I love the "article is special" defense. Works every time. See ya. - the.crazy.russian   τ   ç   ë  04:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * So you're a garden variety wp:biting Fox News sockpuppet? :) I see... - the.crazy.russian   τ   ç   ë  04:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The Sphere

 * This is a very good article. Thanks so much for starting it. U$er

Kat Shoob
S/he's at it again, trying to undelete Kat Shoob. See WP:DRV. Cheers. - the.crazy.russian   τ   ç   ë  16:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Novels
Hi thank you for joining the WikiProject. There is still plenty of scope for influencing things and making your contribution count. We are about establishing standards for Novel based articles and writing articles that meet our own and others high standards, and to improve Wikipedia's diet of articles on Fiction books, otherwise called Novels. I see you don't have our userboxes on your userpage, we usually like participants to user ours  if you would be so kind. If you have any questions, do ask. Please be very welcome. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  08:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletionist
do you come up with anything yourself or write any interesting articles? All you seem to care about is destroying the work of others. Why not contribute. Do you intend on making Wikipedia a better place by deleting the work of others? Maybe you should post something more productive like an anti-vandalism logo or something. There is a difference between destruction and the clearing of garbage Cocopuffberman 04:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Your reply to Cocopuff was altogether judicious, I thought, and I write to commend you for the measured, reasoned tone you affected. I certainly wouldn't have been as sympathetic and welcoming were bad faith ascribed to my nomination; irrespective of the grief of the subject's son, non-notability is non-notability, and I likely wouldn't have couched my reply in such kind terms.  Perhaps my responding differently would have been gauche and demonstrative of a character flaw, but, irrespective of that, your reply was altogether consistent with the welcoming atmosphere one tries to create and surely was more conciliatory than it needed to be.  Were I not so tired, I'd find a barnstar to give you; you'll have to settle, I suppose, for my profound compliments.  And, apropos of deletionism, continue to fight the good fight... Joe 05:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I am inclined to agree with respect to the notability of the shootings generally; I was writing to that effect when you made the suggestion on the AfD page, and I have echoed your comments. In any case, this barnstar seems to fit; feel free, of course, to move it to user space if you'd prefer it there:

I apologize for my comments. I appreciate your note on my talk page very much. Thank you for being understanding. I understand your thoughts regarding deletion of clutter. There is so much junk flying around on the internet, and it is a wonderful thing that people like you take on the job of cleaning up to keep Wikipedia free from this clutter. I have a very personal attachment to the subject that you proposed for deletion, and I overreacted. I will change the title of the “Jack Berman” article to “101 California Street Shootings”. I will work to find small biographies, like the one for my father, of each of the victims. As noted in the deletion chat, I am new to Wikipedia. I will need the help of more experienced writers such as yourself to aid me on formatting and research. Again, I am very sorry for any contention or exchange of bad feelings that I have caused. Cocopuffberman 20:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much, again. It is so easy to judge a person over the internet. I have learned a most valuable lesson. Cocopuffberman 01:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you *that* Daniel Case ...
Who lost a little boy from Russia some time between 1999 and 2001?

Thank you for your interest in the Reactive Attachment Disorder article!

--Bronwyn Gannan 03:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC).
 * I was not one of those people. Because I'm not a parent or professional, but a student interested in European issues and adoption issues (I wasn't able to establish my credentials sufficiently), I wouldn't be on one of the lists you were thinking of. I think it was somewhere between 2002 and 2004 I discovered your site. --05:39, 23 April 2006 (UTC).
 * To clarify, yes, I did see your website. I know Kirill's story nearly by heart. I found it because of the Janis Cooke Newman book, The Russian Word for Snow (for which you had written a review).

Orange Blossoms monument
Thanks for adding the great pic to the 124th Infantry article. I've been meaning to get over there to take one, but just never got around to it. Your photography is much better than mine anyway, so thanks again! Kafziel 15:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'm flattered (I have been trying to get as much local art on Wikipedia as possible).


 * I'm also planning to put that in both Goshen (village), New York and New York State Route 207, as well as some more pictures from that morning on Orange County Government Center. I just knew it had to go up there when I realized what it was. Daniel Case 16:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and if you're watching this, another question: You said in the article on the 124th that it was made up of, among other things, units from the 71st National Guard.


 * How can this be, given that the Guard didn't exist until the 20th century? I defer to your military knowledge and experience ... did I miss something? Daniel Case 03:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the source of confusion is the National Guard article; the Guard has existed since the early 19th century. It found its present form in 1903, with the Militia Act, but it had been around for about a hundred years previously, albeit disorganized and underfunded. They were mostly what we think of today as militias, except that they received tiny amounts of federal funding. Each state was in charge of maintaining (or not maintaining) its own official National Guard units, and there was no official charter or procedure for getting them all to cooperate.
 * Looks like the National Guard article could use some clarification on that point. Thanks! Kafziel 11:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Nimmo Pky
I voted to support your nomination to delete the article, but I think you should also be aware that the same user also created a Nimmo Pkwy article that, while it's more in-depth than Nimmo Pky, could also be considered just as viable a candidate for deletion. ekedolphin 00:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

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Catskills
Hi Dan. Yep it's me. I've just discovered the joys of wiki. In 20/20 I would have like AR to be a wiki. Anyway you are correct about the Catskills. The Robert Moses wiki stuff really sucks and I was doing some research for some New York stuff and it got out of hand. In any event it's prompted me to read start reading Caro's Power Broker. It has a map with his projects and I think I misread the boundary stuff about the Catskills. It should be off the list. Maybe when I read further there is a connection but I doubt it since the index only shows one mention.Americasroof 16:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

State Route
Search for state route (no quotes, because their system doesn't support string searching with quotes). Most of the laws use "state route X". Similarly, the NYSDOT site has 137 matches for "New York State Route" and 468 for "State Route". Google News gives none for "New York State Route" and 68 for "New York" "State Route". "State Route X" seems to be the most common form, though there are certainly other forms like "Route X" and "NY Route X". --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 18:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, there are also 252 matches for "SR" on the NYSDOT site, many of which are references to State Routes. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 18:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I didn't notice the 287 matches for "NYS Route", which rather evens it out. "NY Route" also gets 330 matches. I'd still think the legislative use should break the tie though. I wish there was a better way to search the laws, like if Google indexed them, as the legislative search has no way to search for an exact term. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 18:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to figure it out on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York State routes. --SPUI (T - C - RFC) 18:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Assistance please?
You've read The Lovely Bones by Alice Sebold, right? Well, I could use a little help on that. You see, I've had to do it as an independant study novel, and...well, I could use any and all assistance you might be able to provide. Please contact me at justin.kam@rogers.com, or better, an instant message conversation through MSN, AIM, or YIM through the same email and the AIM screen name cleared2engage.

Please...I'm desperate here. I wouldn't go through the trouble of seeking out people if it wasn't this important to me. Thanks a lot in advance, -Arrow

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Category:Protected areas of the United States
Hi there! Instead of going back in forth in the CFD category, I thought I would bring this straight to your attention.

Here is my idea of how this would work, using New York as an example:
 * Protected areas of the United States
 * Wilderness areas of the US (as well as other federal properties)
 * Wilderness areas of New York
 * Slide Mountain Wilderness Area
 * Protected Areas of New York
 * Slide Mountain Wilderness Area (Entry has double category)
 * New York State Parks (as a sub-category)
 * Adirondack State Park
 * Catskill State Park

I'm trying to distinguish between protected areas which are federally owned and those which are not. I'm sure that you can appreciate the difference given your proposal. However, I think the best way to distinguish these would be to have sub-categories. Thus, from my example above, perhaps a new category "Protected lands of the US federal government" or even your proposed "Category:Federally protected areas of the United States" as a sub-category. Hence:
 * Protected areas of the United States
 * Protected lands of the US federal government
 * Wilderness areas of the US
 * Wilderness areas of New York
 * Slide Mountain Wilderness Area
 * Protected Areas of New York
 * Slide Mountain Wilderness Area
 * New York State Parks (as a sub-category)
 * Adirondack State Park
 * Catskill State Park

I prefer the first one, but the second might work. It just adds a second layet which may not be needed.

I don't mind moving all of the existing stuff around into new sub-categories... The upfront work isn't the problem. What's difficult is that there isn't an established tree as a guide. Do either of these proposals stand out for you, or do you prefer a third option altogether? Feel free to respond here to keep the discussion in one place... Thanks! ClarkBHM 20:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Just a short note to say thank you for all the images you have uploaded. I was looking over some of them and they were very interesting. --Hetar 04:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

About your NYMA note
I completely agree with you about most of the text being lifted from the school's website. However, you should be aware that it was put there by someone else. My contributions have been mostly in the form of adding more information, links, some re-writes, and the recent infobox. I have been thinking about doing a major re-write anyway because, as I said, I also agree that the article reads a bit like a brochure (not to mention the duplicated text). I've already got some of it done, but as you can imagine, I have other work to do as well, so it may not happen for a few days. Thanks for bringing up the point though, and btw, that's a great picture of the main gate. Cheers, Cacetudo 11:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

NY State Route Project
Thanks for helping with all the pages I've created, and for cleaning up the mistakes I've made. I am new to this project and your assistance has been very helpful. If you have a chance, please check out the question I posted on the NY-17 talk page... your opinion would be greatly appreciated. -Skudrafan1 13:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Once again, thanks for all the help you've given on the NYSR pages I've created. Perhaps, in order to save you a little bit of trouble in the future, could you leave a note on my talk page explaining how the order of counties/junctions in the route box is determined, and why it makes a difference?  I've noticed you've reordered many of the ones I've created.  Thanks! -Skudrafan1 02:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

River project template: Thanks
Hello and thank you for making the WikiProject Rivers template. I made a couple of changes to it, based mostly on the templates for WikiProject Minnesota and WikiProject Wisconsin templates (i.e., bolding the title of the project and linking to the notion of WikiProjects). Do change it back if you don't like them! I hope and expect that this project will see numerous new participants in the near future on account of your efforts, so thanks again -- Malepheasant 05:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Winnisook Lake
Come to think of it, I actually unsterstand your point about there not being that many places in the Catskills named after Indian words. Kschwerdt514 02:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Testing on America
Sorry, just testing the new round robin scheduling of Tawkerbot2/AntiVandalBot. :) 70.28.45.28 03:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Phil Collins
Hey Dan,

Just wanted to say thanks for watching over the Phil Collins page and making some edits to it. I responded to you on the article talk page, but thought I'd also post here, too. I didn't realize just how many vandal attacks occur on a main page article! Anyway, again, thanks for the help and review of the article.

--Ataricodfish 03:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you were definitely much more civil than that little counterexample there! Trust me, I agree with most of your suggestions, since much of that bit about the fax and the italiac'd songs weren't there at the initial nomination.  As for prose, as a writer, I obviously think I'm a genius, so I'll definitely encourage someone else to give it another edit since I'm biased.  I'm trying to step back a bit from this addiction known as Wikipedia and the Internet, so I won't be making as many edits or babysitting the article as I did four months ago.  At the same time, I'd hate to see the article get sick!  Anyway, thanks again, and best of luck with your future featured articles. --Ataricodfish 03:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I Have A Question
Errr...How exactly do you archive your messages? Kschwerdt514 04:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Novels WikiProject Newsletter June 2006
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New Coke
I've been looking the past few days for a screencap of one those "coke protests", where people were dumping coke on the highway. Could you help me look for one? --larsinio ( poke )( prod ) 21:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm ... I haven't thought about that although I do have an image wish list (Enrico's ad; perhaps one of the many cartoons poking light at the switch). Have you looked on YouTube? I'm doing that right now and finding some stuff, but not news footage. Daniel Case 03:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I have one of 'em there questions
If a featured article candidate fails to become a featured article, can it be put up as a candidate again? --Kschwerdt514 05:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Featured Articles
You said that you would fix all of the errors people pointed out. That's exactly what I did. I also added a new paragraph. --Kschwerdt514 02:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...
For adding metric units to Goldfish.QuizQuick 15:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

A couple things
Don't worry about me trying to re-list the article anytime soon. I don't plan to. And thank you for adding the litre symbol (m³) to my two reservoir articles. I plan to add more of the reservoir articles --Kschwerdt514 03:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Watershed Categories
I have relocated all of the reservoirs in the Catskills to a new category. I got rid of the separate Catskill and Delaware watershed categories, and made a new one (Category:Catskill/Delaware watershed). Don't worry about the Cannonsville Reservoir article. I will be making that one soon. Really soon... --Kschwerdt514 04:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I have Just made the Cannonsville Reservoir article. I could've done a better job, but I will revise it over time. See it here. --Kschwerdt514 05:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

That reminds me. Are you going to be making the Kensico Reservoir article? --Kschwerdt514 05:56 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I have also made an article about the Stony Clove Creek. You can read more about it in the article (which is still a stub), but to sum it up, it's a creek that flows from Notch Pond near the Notch to Phoenicia, where it joins the Esopus Creek. see it here. --Kschwerdt514 06:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Unsubbing of Films template
On Talk:The Devil Wears Prada (film), you unsubstituted the messagebox template that I had put on there a while back. Are they not supposed to substituted? I thought that was generally the rule with them. Daniel Case 16:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. The answer is emphatically transclude and not substitute. WikiProject templates have become rather more sophisticated recently and change the categories a talk page resides in depending on parameters passed to it. Also, when a substituted template is changed, it means having to go and change every article which might use it - as you can imagine, that could be a nightmare for a large project. It was no bother this time but if you're actively tagging talk pages with WikiProject templates then definitely you want to subst. HTH. --kingboyk 17:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to reinforce that, see if you can spot the difference between your static version and my transcluded version  and you'll see how I found this usage of the template and why it had to be changed :) --kingboyk 17:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The unassessed film articles cat? Daniel Case 17:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not how I found them, but that's one of the changes yes. The WikiProject's articles are now in Category:WikiProject Films articles instead of Category:WikiProject Films. That's how I found the 20 or so subst'd uses of the template: they didn't move to Category:WikiProject Films articles when I updated the template. (I'm not a member of the WikiProject by the way, but I've set up 2 different Projects now so have a good idea about how best to organise them, and having a seperate subcategory for your articles certainly makes navigation easier. Now you can actually find your Project pages in Category:WikiProject Films without having to trawl through page after page :) ). Hope that helps. --kingboyk 12:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

More on the Watersheds
I hope you don't mind that I removed the "Water infrastructure of New York City" category from your articles on the Titicus and East Branch Reservoirs, and replaced it with a category called "Croton watershed". --Kschwerdt514 06:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

And I made a new category; it is called "Catskill/Delaware watersheds". It replaces the "Catskill/Delaware watershed" category, for the former is in the Catskills, and the latter is closer to the Croton watershed. --Kschwerdt514 21:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Update from Kschwerdt514
I have renamed two of the watershed categories, changing the "w" in the word "watershed" to a capital "W". I have also added the reservoirs in the "Catskill/Delaware watershed" category to the "Croton Watershed" category, and listed the former up for deletion. And it appears we have all of the reservoir articles except the one about the New Croton Reservoir. I have been checking the DEP's website for information on the reservoirs. And let me tell ya, they have some good information on that website. I still have yet to find a source to make the articles about the controlled lakes in the Croton system (Kirk Lake, Lake Gilead, Lake Gleneida, and Rye Lake), so don't expect those to come soon. There's also the Shandaken Tunnel, the three aqueducts in the Delaware system that lead to the Rondout, and the New Croton Aqueduct. Those will come soon enough, but don't bother checking this week. And last of all, thanks for the barnstar! I really appreciate it! --Kschwerdt514 05:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Another Update
I have just made the New Croton Reservoir article, which you can see here. That would mean that all the NYC reservoir articles are covered...except for the Hillview Reservoir in Yonkers, I just remembered. I have also relocated the Kensico Reservoir article from the "Croton Watershed" category to the "Catskill/Delaware Watersheds" category, and put a tad bit of information that says that the Kensico is the only reservoir in the Catskill/Delaware system that is not in the Catskills. --Kschwerdt514 03:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Don't worry about taking pictures for the reservoirs in the Catskills. I'll be doing that, considering I know where there are good vantage points. Taking a picture from these would make for a good picture for wikipedia, as far as I'm concerned. And I wonder who's going to make the New York City Water Supply System article? Don't look at me! --Kschwerdt514 21:01, 28 June 2005 (UTC)

Well, I guess you can take some of those pictures if you want to...You know what? Go ahead. --Kschwerdt514 04:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I was just wondering what you meant by a master navigation template for all of the water supply-related articles. What would be the exact principles behind that? --Kschwerdt514 05:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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New York Shields
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RE:Chichester
My apologies! I get words confused sometimes, and it can be a pain. I'll fix those mistakes on the page. --Kschwerdt514 5:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

About Ted Sorensen.jpg
I'm a Japanese Wikipedian. I created the page "Theodore C. Sorensen" in Japanese page. I want to use your picture of Ted Sorensen. So, will you upload it on Wikimedia Commons?--Yuta Aoki 17:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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Your article, Lake Washington (New York), was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 01:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Architecture of Norway
You objected to the nomination of Architecture of Norway. I am working on the improvements you have suggested. If you could take a look, I think you will see promising progress. Please reconsider your objection, or let me know what more you would like to see to support it. --Leifern 03:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

From Catherine Johnson
sorry to drop something in here, but you don't seem to have an email unless I'm missing it

I'm wondering whether there is a way to protest the accuracy and neutrality of an entry on wikipedia, apart from revising it?

The "helicopter parent" entry, while written in neutral language, is told from the point of view of school personnel. Many parents find the term offensive; parents do indeed purchase and wear helicopter parent t-shirts and speak of themselves as helicopter parents; there are no peer-reviewed studies on the subject, etc.

None of this is stated in the article as it stands.

Is there some kind of appeals mechanism?

Thanks very much (and, again - sorry for disturbing your user page).

Catherine Johnson

wow!

I found you.

(not easy...)

Since it's your page, which is very well written by the way, I won't bother it any more. I'll drop in a link or two if something seems useful.

I'd like to request that you consider recasting your entry slightly. I'm a journalist by trade, and I don't mean to insult journalists or journalism when I say that journalism isn't a good source for a normal encyclopedia entry (wikipedia may be different, I realize). Journalism isn't even a good source for journalism (and again, I don't say this to insult you or journalists! I am a journalist!)

When I was a writer for SELF MAGAZINE many years ago we weren't allowed to use other people's magazine articles as a source for our own articles. We had to use primary sources, and journalism is a secondary source. Even for an article on men and relationships, we couldn't use journalistic sources! Newspapers and books can be especially wide of the mark, because newspapers & publishing houses don't employ fact-checkers. Magazines do, or at least they did when I was writing for magazines. (I write books now.)

But even though magazines have fact-checkers, there are certain content rules that aren't subject to fact checking. I was a Contributing Editor at NEW WOMAN for many years, and always, in every article I wrote, I was expected to open with a lead about "skyrocketing divorce" or "skyrocketing obesity" or skyrocketing this or skyrocketing that.

These claims were boilerplate. No one fact-checked them, and I disliked being expected to make them. Was divorce skyrocketing at the moment I was writing? Today I know that it wasn't. It was probably falling. But "skyrocketing divorce" didn't have to be fact-checked because everyone knew it was real.

A meme like "helicopter parent" falls into this category. It is taken for granted as existing, when in fact all we know at this point is that feature writers and school personnel believe it exists.

This gets back to journalism being the "first draft of history." First drafts always undergo revision, and ideas like 'helicopter parent' undergo revision, too. Tom Loveless's study of homework is an example, as are the statistics on a woman's chance of marrying past the age of 40. (I can give you links if you're interested.) It's not that journalism is inevitably wrong or bad; journalism is frequently invaluable.

It's that one should take its claims as provisional.

I'd like to request that you consider recasting your article to acknowledge the "first draft" status of the helicopter parent idea. You could do this in different ways...probably the simplest approach would be to point to parents on the web, or whom you've interviewed yourself, who object to the term, who are purposely applying the term to themselves, who see its origins differently than school personnel do, etc. Blogs are a primary source when used in this manner - that is, blogs are a primary source when used to provide information about the blogger.

I'm taking too much of your time, so I'll quickly add one more thing.

You might want to take a look at Laurence Steinberg's book BEYOND THE CLASSROOM, which is his report on the 10-year peer-reviewed study of American adolescents and their parents that he led. The book correlates parenting style with student outcome, and includes quite a nice summary of 60 years of research on parenting and parenting styles in the U.S. (around page 110 in the paperback).

I checked it today, and my sense of the findings is that, based on 60 years of peer-reviewed research, helicopter parents probably don't exist. In other words, if a research psychologist studied the phenomenon, he or she would come up empty-handed.

That's my sense; I could be wrong - or helicopter parents could represent a new phenomenon. Since you're intested enough in the issue to have written a substantial entry about it, you might want to take a look.

All for now - and I'm sorry to have blasted into your page that way. My point in a nutshell: journalism is a secondary source. You've done a terrific job explaining and summarizing the views our popular media hold of parents, children, and schools. But until we have peer-reviewed research on this question, we can't know.

follow-up:

I forgot!

Thanks so much for the link to the "helicopter mom" blog - I appreciate it.

On the Lake Template...
You told me that perhaps I should replace the infobox lake on the Ashokan Reservoir Article. That would be a good idea, but then what about the articles on reservoirs such as Lake Volta and Lake Kariba? They have lake infoboxes, so what then? --Kschwerdt514 19:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for having updated the picture of Ted Sorensen to Wikimedia Commons. --Yuta Aoki --Yuta Aoki 11:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The Lovely Bones in Russian
Sorry, I'm just interwiki hunter ;), but nevertheless, thanks you. Real author of russian article is Hellagood, and I leave your post to him.

About word милые - it might meant "Lovely" ^_^, "sweetheart", "darling" (for somebody). I don't know english transcription, and I can't give pronunciation. May be milie, but 2nd i harder. --Winterheart 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The Lovely Bones
Hi Daniel! Privet from Moscow!:) That's really nice to see your positive reaction about my article for The Lovely Bones! It's still "currently in production", but i think it'll be done until this weekend. The book was so enjoyable and so good translated, so i couldn't miss this opportunity and write it. i should say english is not my best (i speak russian, german and french), so excuse me for all my ortographic inaccuracy:)--Hellagood 05:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Cunningham Syndrome
I'm looking into hosting a Wiki at my ISP because of the threats to CCS and The Goon Show. At this point, the goal would be just to host those two pages, but if this pro-delete crowd gathers momentum, other "refugee" pages may be added. Just in case you're interested. --Proteus71 17:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

As Wikipediatrix herself noted, the pro-keep crowd clearly outnumbered the pro-delete crowd. Admittedly, Wikipedia states that it wasn't a vote, but good grief! That article had history! (What's RfC?) Doczilla 22:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipediatrix
It's nothing new - POV pushers and cranks always chuck that at you. As i mentioned elsewhere they've become cleverer at using our own policies to undermine the project. Thanks for your offer of support regard a possible RfC. PMA 05:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed! PMA 15:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipediatrix
Would there be any support for an RfC? PMA 00:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

What's an RfC? Request for comment? That doesn't sound very strong. Doczilla 22:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Bad template
When you initially nominated Kyle Kratoville and got that oddball page: Articles for deletion/Log/2006  4, what template did you use, or what link did you click on? Something got changed somewhere in a system variable. I've fixed a couple pages to use a valid link to the month name, but clearly I missed one. Thanks. Fan-1967 02:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That was from "Add a new listing" on the AFD page. I thought things had been changed somehow and I hadn't gotten the memo. Daniel Case 02:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me look at it again. I thought I got everything that linked from there. (There were links to a template (?) called CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN, which used to give "August" and now gives "". Fan-1967 02:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I just put up Www.texascruisers.com and I'm getting the same issue (so I added it directly to the page). CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN is still there. Daniel Case 03:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I just found and fixed it there. Just to make sure we're talking about the same place, go back and click on the link again, and see what page name comes up. Fan-1967 03:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's good now. Daniel Case 03:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I have no idea what it is, as there's no such template, so I don't know what's being invoked that returns that , or why it changed yesterday. But hopefully this is the last reference. Fan-1967 03:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just did it again, and it's OK. (Whatever it is must be, or have been, affecting more people than me. There's an unusual dearth of deletion nominations at the moment). Daniel Case 03:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I usually do it from the Afd/Today page, so that's where I fixed it first. If others have been having the problem, there may be a bunch of incomplete noms out there, which should show up in the next few days. Fan-1967 03:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Final state highway naming conventions debate
Daniel Case, your participation is welcome in the State route naming conventions poll. Please give your input as to the process by 23:59 UTC on August 8.

Regards, Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  22:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Again
I just felt like telling you not to take any pictures of the Pepacton, Kensico, Boyd's Corner or Muscoot Reservoirs. I will take care of those, as I can think of very good places to take pictures of these reservoirs from. If you have any objections, please tell me. --Kschwerdt514 01:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Jacobson v. U.S.
Hey, I was just wondering what your particular interest in that case is, just out of curiosity since you have made so many edits to it. I also wanted to mention that, if possible, you should try to link sources to some of the statements of fact you have put in the article that can't be found in the case itself. Chicken Wing 12:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. The Jacobson article is looking really good.  I have to say that it's close to featured article level at this point.  Chicken Wing 06:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

City of Newburgh
You have as much right as I do to state an opinion but you need to decypher the difference between fact and opinion. As a City of Newburgh resident and activist, homeowner and landlord, I know firsthand that the county's failure to share in the affordable/subsidized housing problem more equitably throughout the county by developing/encouraging it is indeed a large part of the problem of dumping poorer citizens- in need of more services- in our city. It's become so rampant that it, in effect, becomes an unfunded mandate. The owner occupants are paying for this twice- with outrageous taxes- thanks to the unimproved urban renewal lands, lack of an effective economic development agency, and overabundance(70%-30%) renter-to-owner ratio- and a constantly uphill battle against the scourge of this unchecked population of renters. The slumlords, several of whom have formerly tried to upkeep their properties, are now just pocketing their guaranteed Section 8 checks(which come with cursory or no habitation inspection), and, with the cooperation of the overwhelmed, and currently incompetent, building inspector's office, are causing the blight that comes from pockets of unmaintained properties that lack any semblance of property supervision. This blight is scaring off not only historic preservation-minded investors and homeowners, it is also effectively scaring off the renters who could afford higher rents that would make investing and caring for these properties more profitable and attractive. This is not opinion, this is fact. However, if you're so obsessed about spending your life behind a computer editing nuanced prose and nitpicking contributions from others who do not agree with your imbalanced sense of "neutral" facts, have fun. I will cease and desist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.220.114.20 (talk • contribs)

City of Newburgh
"At different times, and by different measures, the city has been considered one of the poorest in New York State(OPINION- who exactly said this?- people YOU know? "been considered" is not a NEUTRAL fact- it's a selective OPINION by YOU- try "IS" and BACK IT UP). Local citizens(OPINION- generalization-which local citizens?)and city officials(OPINION-not the ones I know- have you talked to any recently?) blame the county's Department of Social Services for making problems worse by using the city as a dumping ground for its poorest clients. County officials respond that they are only sending people where housing costs are the cheapest(OPINION by some unnamed "county officials)." Whoa, you're such a factual expert on Newburgh!  I've lived here and owned property for over 15 years.  I remember you as a journalist- you missed a lot of facts then also.  Write about what you know, not some arms length conjecture. How much more is a FACT less relevant than your opinions that somehow you misdefine as neutral? FACT is the county has, IN FACT, not developed/encouraged such housing elsewhere in the county and is, IN FACT, THE main reason that they are dumping such people here. It's also a FACT that our overburdened/incompetent building department- thanks in part to our lack of funds related to this unfunded mandate of slumlordism- is a contributing factor and a direct effect of this dumping. And it seems, for whatever reason, you do not consider this a FACT, is an OPINION- and an incomplete one at that. If you're going to criticize my neutrality then you need to BACK ALL YOUR "FACTS" UP with reference not vague insinutations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.220.114.20 (talk • contribs)

New Coke
You're welcome. I think this will make a great featured article in future !Bwithh 04:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome and a question
Hi Daniel, I just wanted to drop you a quick line welcoming you to WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court cases. Thanks for joining up! I also have a question for you. Are you interested in adminship? I've noticed you around and have been consistently impressed.--Kchase T 03:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! I just got back into a SCOTUS-editing mood after having created Milkovich and expanding Gertz last winter; after I'm done with Jacobson and creating articles on its precedents there's a couple others I might like to create (Brontson v. United States ... can't believe that isn't up here yet), then I'll probably move on to another of my many interests here for a while.


 * Yes, I allow that I have given adminship some thought. I am very near 10,000 edits, which I think should be a threshold of some importance for admin candidates. I have also been actively editing for well over a year.


 * But I would also like to be able to say, in an RfA, that I have been the primary editor behind a featured article, which I have not yet been able to do. I have several promising candidates that I tend from time to time — New Coke, mentioned above, is a current Good Article nominee, but I can't help it along because of my role in the article, and as I said there's a lot more research I have yet to do. But if you want to have your say over there, by all means go ahead. Also check out some that come out of my hiking like Slide Mountain (New York) and Snowshoe, and also The Miracle at the Meadowlands, which I developed to its current form from a redirect up (That, too, is pretty impressive as is but will need footnotes and more research. I'd like to see some articles from the Philadelphia press, which I can't do up where I live, because as it is it reflects a New York-centric view). Daniel Case 03:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you'd be a shoe-in right now and I'd be happy to nominate you, but if you want to wait a while, that's cool, too. You might ask some more experienced folks who know you well if they think you are ready. Of course, I won't nominate you if you want to wait. Whatever you decide.--Kchase T 03:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
The campsite description wasnt being inringed and thats more than 1/2 the article. I spent 15 hours writing that whole list out. I can only redo it if i can get back the campsite list.HurricaneCraze32 10:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd debate
Check this out: IIM AfD debate. It's an odd discussion and could use a fresh perspective. Doczilla 04:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking at Miro.gal's contribution history, it looks like almost her only mission at Wikipedia was to promote that International Institute of Management. There were too many odd details for that to seem like a regular let's-make-something-up-for-the-sheer-fun-of-it hoax. I can't help but wonder if it was an attempt to establish credibility for a bogus organization as part of some kind of scam. I know people have tried to use Wikipedia for that before. Ah, well, I suppose we'll never know. Doczilla 08:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Terry Viancour
You deleted the Terry Viancour attack page yesterday, and left a note on the author's user page advising him not to recreate it. Just thought you'd like to know that he ignored you and recreated it anyway. I've tagged it twice today for speedy, as he's already trying to removed the tag. He also left a unwelcomed note on my talk page. Any chance of getting him blocked? Akradecki 18:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Daniel! After reading your userpage, I realized that an insult can be a compliment. I have to admit, I've become quite passionate, like you, about keeping the crap out (so much flows in every day!), mainly because I put a LOT of time and research into the articles I write. I take some pride in this place, and sounds like you do. Maybe that's the real meaning of being an Informationista (Like Sandanistas?). Thanks for all your hard work! Akradecki 05:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi just wondering why you put up article for deletion. I tried to avoid it as an advert and make it factual. I mean thousands of other companies even less national ones are listed on wikipedia so what is wrong with this? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean there are many search results on yahoo.com!!!!! Trust me mate, Jeff White is a famous businessman in Wales and even in England I think because his company is a major football and sports sponsor. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, this is a worthy entry for the Vale of Glamorgan in Wales. This is relevant for anybody browsing through south Wales. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does fit the criteria in the sports team section. Jeff White is a sponsor and is involved with the Welsh and English lower football leagues. Please respondErnst Stavro Blofeld 15:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi ah I see. I do agree with you about the car dealership thing but if it is just left under the Vale of Glamorgan category anyone wanting to know about business in southern Wales - this is a useful article. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi how about a bit of info on jeff White under the Vale of Glamorgan article, in economy. instead of the article then? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

More Action Park
Hi Daniel, and thanks for the comment on my talk page (my first -- WOO-HOO!!!). Well, somehow -- I don't recall how -- I ended up looking at the article on Dogpatch USA, a now defunct amusement park in Arkansas that I remember from growing up in Mississippi. That page, of course, is also part of Category:Defunct amusement parks, so I decided to check out the category...where I eventually found Action Park. When I read that article, I couldn't help being fascinated; I thought, "What the hell kind of place WAS this?" And off I went. I'm glad I found that NYT article, but that was just luck, really -- I had done a Google search for "Eugene Mulvihill," trying to find more information about GAR's shenanigans, and one of the hits I got was to a small set of Times articles about amusement parks, of which the "Brooklyn Man Dies" article was one. Anyway, thanks again, and glad I've been able to help. The fascination is still there, and I've got the article on my watchlist, so I intend to keep up with things there and will be happy to lend a hand if I can. BTW, I'm not surprised you got a compliment on the article; it perfectly conveys the horror ;-) while remaining encyclopedic and never becoming sensationalistic. --Tkynerd 14:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. I agree that Action Park is one of the very best articles in Category:Defunct amusement parks; I looked at most of them on Friday evening, and the majority are stubs or should-be-stubs. The Opryland article is pretty thorough and interesting, though. I've not yet written an article myself; there's one article in this category I'd like to write, but this is all there seems to be on the Web about it. I remember going there at least once and I can still sing the jingle from their commercial -- just as I've now learned to sing "There's nothing in the world like Action Park!" :-) Oh well. Someday I'll find something I want to write an article on that doesn't already have an article. Jitney Jungle is an article I saved from being merged with To Kill a Mockingbird and expanded a bit, if you'd care to glance at that. --Tkynerd 18:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. I went ahead and created Delta Village. It would be nice if someone who actually knew more about it (and had some sources to refer to) would stumble across it and help fill it out more, but I dunno. We'll see. I also forgot to add it to Category:Defunct amusement parks; need to go back and do that now. I did mark it as a stub, so perhaps someone who's knowledgeable about Louisiana will find it and do something with it. :-)

I'd love to see the older ad that Action Park refers to, with the "The action never stops...at Action Park!" jingle/slogan. That must have been pretty cool. --Tkynerd 02:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Long Path
Hi, I was working on Blackhead (disambiguation), and came across Long Path. Just wanted to remark on how comprehensive Long Path is for a trail. Should be a featured article. - SpLoT 14:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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New Coke
It is the history section. It has teasers, such as: "Coca-Cola had to increase their profits. But they needed a new idea first." I really like the prose, and you're obviously a good writer, but I'm not sure that it's exactly right for an encyclopedia. I'll try to help if I can, but I'm going to be pretty busy this week.

I see that you're also a fan of 24. Rock on! Eilicea 13:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Reservoirs
See my new comments on the reservoirs project at Wikiproject Lake's talk page. --Lethargy 20:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

School of the Woods
Hi! I started the temp article for this one :) WhisperToMe 02:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

GAC nominations
"The system is unbureaucratic: everyone can nominate good articles, and anyone who has not significantly contributed to an article can review it." Is this no longer true, i.e., significant contributors may no longer review nor nominate? I ask because I saw your recent removal of GayFest on those grounds and I'd considered nominating some self-authored articles. Choess 21:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Er, that's under "For reviewers of currently nominated articles". As I understand it (based on the text I quoted above, from the "Good article candidates" box), significant contributors may nominate, but may not review. Choess 23:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for passing my GA on CM Punk, I was worried no one was reading it because of the LONG tag, which I'm pretty sure are because of the ref tags. –– Lid(Talk) 04:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Gayfest
This is just a quick note. i noticed you removed Gayfest from being nominated because the nominator also worked extensively on the article. According to policy, that is OK. The nomination page says: "The system is unbureaucratic: everyone can nominate good articles, and anyone who has not significantly contributed to an article can review it."

In fact, most nominators do work on the article.--Esprit15d 13:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Manhattan
Hi there. I'm puzzled as to why you failed this article. As you can see from its talk page, when I reviewed it I thought this was a possible featured article, and certainly of GA status. I only didn't pass it then because we were still discussing if there should be a maximun length limit in GA. Could you put some feedback on their talk page as to why you think this is not of GA quality? Thank you. TimVickers 03:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

OK then, some good points there. TimVickers 03:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the helpful review. Did I correct the island / borough of manhattan lead? It was incorrect because it is not the entire borough, and there are other parts that are part of manhatta borough, right? Judgesurreal777 03:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Anna Svidersky
Hi Daniel, I see you're reviewing biogs, and would be very interested in your take on the above article (if you have time), which I have worked on. There is a discussion on the talk page, which revolves round validity of material, and rather reminded me of the dispute over Jennifer Fitzgerald (though this in this case there is a perfectly amicable interaction). Tyrenius 21:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

H. P. Lovecraft
Will look it over tommorrow. Though I don't think they've done much, in truth. Adam Cuerden talk 02:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm. More than that, haven't done anything: All the things I pointed out haven't been touched. Clear fail until it's fixed up. Adam Cuerden talk 03:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I do try to give people time t fix things: It's caused a couple articleds to wquickly improve in quality. But if they don't do it in a week, best to fail and let them reapply when ready. Adam Cuerden talk 03:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject assessments
Just a note that, in the standard assessment scale, "A-Class" is actually above "GA-Class"; thus, existing A-Class ratings shouldn't be changed based on anything in the GA process. Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 07:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)