User talk:Diannaa/Archive 18

Morning
Hi, thanks for fixing my TOC, but what was wrong with it? Mr Little Irish (talk) © 15:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The bar giving updates on RFAs was interfering with the TOC, so I added a to force them apart. Cheers, -- Dianna (talk) 18:39, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I saw after, thank you for, erm, visiting? Mr Little Irish  (talk) © 08:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem. Let me know if you have any coding questions. I know a little about mark-up and have a friend who can help out with teh more tricky questions. -- Dianna (talk) 14:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE drive question
Hi Diannaa, I just joined GOCE today and have jumped into the backlog drive with gusto. I wanted to ask, though, about articles tagged with at the section level. Should we copy edit only that section or go ahead and do the whole article? And for purposes of the drive, how many words would such a job be worth--could we count the whole article, or is only the tagged section fair game? Thanks, BDD (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, BDD, and thank you for your interest in helping out with copy edits. For the purposes of the drive, you should only count the whole article if the whole article needs copy edit to the same degree as the tagged section. If only the one section is in bad shape then just count that. However, I normally do anything and everything I can think of to get the article into good shape: formatting citations, fixing dead links, adding an info box, rearranging photos—whatever I can think of, since on some of the more obscure articles it may be years before the next skilled wikipedian arrives. But that's optional as copy editing is the main focus of this drive. -- Dianna (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That makes sense, and I'm going to add this to the drive FAQ, if that's alright. I suspect others may wonder about this as well. And I'm with you in terms of otherwise improving articles. I'm particularly proud of providing coordinates for a church in Bangladesh while I was copyediting! --BDD (talk) 19:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in the April 2012 Wikification Drive!
Your efforts are appreciated!!! :) Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Going On
This one is the shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_R9fId_Rqo

Can you help with Second Thirty Years War please?
Thanks for the help with the bibliography. I've added all the missing ISBNs now. But can you please look at what I written in Talk:Second Thirty Years War. I don't see how it can be called bogus by the guy that reassessed it WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests, or what further references he requires. It's got 80 refernces from 30 books, chapters and articles. If he doesn't tell me which bits he's disputing, how am I meant to know what extra references he requires? If he's calling it bogus, then he obviously doesn't know much about this issue. How can someone say "well, I don't know anything about this, so it sounds bogus to me and I'm not going to upgrade it"? It's all refernced, and now thanks to your help, every book has its ISBN, though he could have read the online articles such as Dray, Henig and Goda which would have shown what I'm saying is true. Henig's article starts with the comment that "Every historian now agrees with this" (or words to that effect).

The other page I wrote last week Listen to Britain was start class and in the film project. Someone suggested I add it to MilHist. Some chap reassessed it, made it C and added a few citations needed. I added these refernces and re-wrote and expanded the first section, and he put it up to a B. And this page is much narrower in its scope, has far fewer refernces and a much, much smaller bibliography that this one.

Sorry to be a pain, but as a newbie, I'm at a loss. Many thanks. Ganpati23 (talk) 14:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Request posted on multiple talk pages. It looks like User:Hchc2009 has answered this question on the article talk page - Dank (push to talk) 17:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dank. Ganpati23, I will continue to help with the article and will help you format the citations on Listen to Britain as well. Just relax about the assessment; we can re-apply later once the concerns have been addressed. -- Dianna (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Many thanks for the delicious pie, Dianna! My humble bread maker could never make such great treat. Malljaja (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Oops!
Hi Dianna. Thanks for fixing the things I overlooked in Hans-Adam I, Prince of Liechtenstein. Best, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 18:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE Hall of Fame
Hi Dianna. You probably didn't know that you've just notched up 106 words on GOCE drives, did you? Well, you have, and your fellow coordinators think you should be on the GOCE Hall of Fame to celebrate that. If anyone's name belongs there, yours does. Congratulations, and thanks. Simon and Dan. --Stfg (talk) 21:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Outstanding! - Dank (push to talk) 18:40, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, and thanks for the mega-cool special award posted below. -- Dianna (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE Welcoming committee
Hi. I didn't even know there was one. WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Members is spectacularly out of date, as is WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Members/Welcome. Going in to edit the latter, I got the big red hand saying don't edit this 'cos it's transcluded on to lots of pages. Funny. I'm not really sure it's worth keeping it alive. What's your view of it? Cheers, S. --Stfg (talk) 20:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It was something we were going to try to do but it never really took off. It's too difficult to determine when new people have added themselves to the Guild. I have edited the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Members so that it just tells people how to join and how to get on the mailing list. The welcome notice itself (the one with the notice not to edit) will have to be left alone, as it has been placed on some user talk pages. -- Dianna (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Templates
Hello. You must not be aware of it, but installing cite templates on articles that don't use them is controversial. Please avoid this in the future. Thank you. Gimmetoo (talk) 20:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Gimme. I wasn't sure how to include the archive urls without inserting them in templates. Please feel free to remove the templates if that's your wish. My preference would be to do it without the archive urls being lost though. Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 04:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I see you have already done Brenda Song; it's not really right, the way you did it. Both the original url and the archive url should be present, along with both an access date and an archive date. -- Dianna (talk) 04:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The "original" url and the archive date are evident from the archive.org url archives. Let's not needlessly repeat this data. But that's a different topic. Gimmetoo (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you did the same edit on a couple other articles. How did you come to be at these articles, Diannaa? Gimmetoo (talk) 09:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't normally look at articles about movie stars any more, but I am the one who tagged the dead links on Brenda Song, way back in August 2011. It's been sitting there all this time with sixteen dead links, and I was concerned that it would lose its good article status, so I decided to try to find archive links using the wayback machine. If you don't know how to do this yourself, there's instructions at Using the Wayback Machine. I found as many as I could, but there are still ten dead links on that article. Dead links can be located on any article using the Toolserver tool at http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Checklinks. Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Not what I asked. Your response is very telling, though. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Your editing is contrary to guideline. If you are unable to use a script to edit in compliance with guideline, then perhaps you shouldn't use the script. It seems especially contrary to a self-proclaimed "copyeditor" to knowingly and consciously refuse to follow guideline, and especially to use scripts to violate guideline. You should know better (and, indeed, I think you do know better). Will you or will you not bring your editing into compliance with guideline? Gimmetoo (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what script? On which article? -- Dianna (talk) 02:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The edits that initiated this thread, Diannaa. Gimmetoo (talk) 03:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The cite templates were not installed with a script. I make them by hand. I thought the above problem was resolved when I told you on the 8th to remove the templates if that's your wish? You did so on the Brenda Song article. If you could be specific about which edit on which article you are objecting to, I will try to explain or help you. -- Dianna (talk) 04:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You inappropriately installed templates on this article. It has come to my attention that you are fully aware of this dispute, so this edit must be presumed to be intentional and deliberate. More than anything else done here, you should be ashamed to advance a personal dispute in this manner. Gimmetoo (talk) 05:03, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Gimmetoo, there is no reason shown to be uncivil as this matter. I understand there is a disagreement as to citing templates which you feel a "group" is doing. However, see: WP:PERSONAL. If there is a problem, spell it out and work it out. Kierzek (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Gimmetoo, I am still at a bit of a loss here, because I put those templates on the article on May 6 and 7th. On May 8—two days later— and you were free to remove them if that was your wish. So I don't understand why are you coming here again to complain about this matter a second time. I have added no further templates since we spoke about it on the 8th, and have not edited the Sean Combs article since the 7th. -- Dianna 15:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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Copy edit requests
Hi, can I request copy edit from you of List of Scarlet Heart episodes, due to it is by various people from either China or Singapore who do not understand the grammatic rules or spelling of English? Also, it is full of excessive details that I believe that needs to be cropped out. Also, can you do the same thing on Beastly (film)? Thank you very much.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no. I am not accepting requests any more unless they are in my current field of interest. -- Dianna (talk) 03:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway. I hope I am not bothering too much. Hope you are having a great summer, like on Santa Cruz Beach or warching movies like The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, or The Amazing Spider-Man.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 05:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I recently watched Kelly's Heroes and will be watching Von Ryan's Express next ! -- Dianna (talk) 14:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Gheorghe Calciu-Dumitreasa
Hello. You might want to protect this article again, as the problem-causing IP has returned. Blake Burba (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Dianna (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Diannaa!
I'm back in action after not participating much during the last drive. I have done the following CEs and wondered if I am picking up the style you want. See:
 * 1)  Joel Anderson (2133)
 * 2)  Armenian Church of Holy Nazareth (562) The names of the paintings should be in italics; the ampersand is not used in prose—you need to spell out the word "and"; "Armenians" should be linked on the first mention, not the second; I would change "building was built" to "building was constructed"; if "hevond" is a proper name it needs to be capitalised.
 * 3)  X-COM: Alliance (1080) Some of the sentences were too long; each sentence should only contain one main idea. Things need to be in past tense since the game was cancelled. I went ahead and did another round of edits:
 * 4)  Death of Rebecca Zahau ((2596))
 * 5)  Remote diagnostics ((172))
 * 6)  Chateau Marmont Hotel ((294))
 * 7)  Peter Joseph Shields ((998))

I'm kind of flying by the seat of my pants when attempting the copy edits. I was aiming to make the articles a bit more clear. Many thanks in advance for your help. Quill and Pen (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I have checked three, and will look at the others later. Thank you for your interest in helping out with copy edits! Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 01:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I Drink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFjOuz_ud0k

Wehrmacht article
I would appreciate your thoughts as to the length of certain noted sections of this article. See:. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Charles Dickens
Diannaa, I'd prefer that you don't work on the refs at Charles Dickens. Given this comment I made in regard to the refs it's clear I'd prefer to wait to until the building of the page is finished. More troubling though is that your activity seems to be in response to today's posts on my talk. Given that your interference at Ernest Hemingway had severe repercussions, I really think it's best that you stay away from pages I edit. At this point it's beginning to feel like hounding. I don't have your page on my watchlist, as far as I know I've never edited a page you're actively working, and for the time being, until we come to a better understanding with each other, I think it's best we leave it that way. I had decided not to use named refs for the moment, I'm very busy with work which gives me limited time to edit, and yet when I log in to make a few edits, I find I have to undo those you've imposed on the page. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There are still fifteen broken Harvard citations on the page. If you change your mind and want me to use the script to identify and repair them for you, please let me know. Regards, -- Ninja Dianna (Talk) 21:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking. There are still hundreds of pages of source material to be read and there will be tons of movement in the refs between now and when we're done, given that we've barely started. When it's done, I'd be happy to have the tool run against it check the "broken refs" - but they're not really broken - what you're seeing are typing errors and such in the harvard refs on a page that's actively being worked. That happens; first we have to get all the text referenced, rewrite, reformat, and then tidy. But you know that drill. Truthkeeper (talk) 21:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just drop a line here if you want anything done later on, as I am not going to be watch-listing the page. Cheers, -- Ninja Dianna (Talk) 21:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Crown of Creation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_oJ64K-z2g

using the Wayback Machine
Hi,

Could you explain to me how to use the Wayback Machine to fix a dead link? Would be much appreciated if you did! Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 19:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay!


 * 1) Go to the Wayback Machine home page: http://archive.org/web/web.php
 * 2) Put the url of the dead page in the box. Click on "Take Me Back"
 * 3) You will next see a screen that looks like this: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/feature/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003220466
 * 4) See at the top where it says it's been crawled 15 times all the way back to October 20, 2006, for the example given. Click on the blue link that says "October 20, 2006". It will load the page for you, often even for content that is now behind a paywall. You can then verify that the desired material is present in that archived version. If it is not, you can try other archived versions close to the access date given by the person who placed the citation in the article. All the captured versions are shown as black bars on the band at the top of the web page. The date for the version you are currently viewing appears over towards the right.
 * 5) Copy the url from your address bar; that's your archive url. Make a note of the archive date and put the info in your cite.
 * 6) Mission accomplished! -- Dianna (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I've saved the instructions. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:53, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Notice
Hello there, Diannaa! Please notice this. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the airport ;) -- Dianna (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I have now semi'd the article for another month, and will continue to watch-list. Can any other editors help clean up the article? I Really don't have the time. Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 21:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

mass creation of stubs with errors
Hi Diannaa, could you please take a look here about current problems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive732#.27Jaguar.2FSandbox.2F3.27_edits Thanks, Azylber (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

It's now here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.27Jaguar.2FSandbox.2F3.27_edits Azylber (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for informing me. It looks like Rich Farmbrough will be helping the user straighten things out, and Rich has a vast knowledge of automated editing, so hopfully my help will not be needed. -- Dianna (talk) 19:44, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks, NeutralHomer. Well spotted, eh? see you around. -- Dianna (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the table sort help
Thanks again, I have made the changes for 1985 NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Tournament and 1986 NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Tournament and will start making the changes for other years. I think it significantly enhances the value of the tables.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  12:39, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It would also be a good idea to make the tables more accessible to people using screen readers by adding  and   to the columns and rows. That way, if someone is looking at the table with a screen reader, they can do so in a non-linear fashion, because the column and row information will be called out to them for each cell. I will do the first two tables to get you started. Thanks for the brownie! Verry yummy. -- Dianna (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC) Okay, I have added these parameters to the 1986 table. I also corrected the sorting; the numerals you had inserted in the  template were not getting the desired results. If you could use these more accessible tables as your samples, that would be perfect. -- Dianna (talk) 14:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Sand and Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qspKCpCJKA4

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June 2012 Wikification Drive
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GOCE - reviewing of other editors CE work
Do you think I am ready to check other people's work yet? --Greenmaven (talk) 11:43, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you could definitely start. Please don't attempt any complex or lengthly ones at first. I will try to get some done today too, as I have finally finished my big project. -- Dianna (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:RfPP request
Hey Dianna, I saw that you said you semi-protected the Nazism article indefinitely, however it does not say the article is protected at all. I just wanted to bring this to your attention if it was a mistake. Thanks. --   Luke      (Talk)   00:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oops, my bad; I bungled it somehow. Fixed it; the bot should be around momentarily to install the silver lock. Good catch. - Dianna (talk) 01:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Jackie Chan sings War!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtXE2-MaUY

Need a mentor...
Since ArielGold seems to have left WP I am in need of a mentor/coach to help trouble-shoot my efforts. I am putting together an article on Actor Ken swofford but am stumbling over the header and reference syntax. Would you be interested in helping me, or perhaps put me in touch with someone who would on a long term basis? Many thanks. Shir-El  too  13:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

PS Nice layout! Shir-El  too  13:39, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Shir-El too. Sorry, I do not have the time to take on a mentoring task right now. Perhaps you can find someone to adopt you at Adopt-a-user? I am going to give you some advice on the Ken Swofford article. Sorry, this is a lot of information to absorb. Wiki is hard. Please take advantage of the material available at Help:Contents/Getting started for basic advice. Please note that all of the material on the drunk-driving charge has been lifted without paraphrasing from the LA Times source. This is not allowed, per WP:COPYVIO. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. I have taken it out for the time being, as it is a copyright violation. Please put material into your own words in the future; do not copy-paste material directly from websites or other sources or we could get in trouble for breaking copyright law. Do you want to give so much weight to a drunk-driving incident that is 23 years in the past? Does it need to be mentioned at all? Your citations can go in citation templates. I have done Ken Swofford as an example. Citation templates. I have moved the article to Ken Swofford to comply with the usual capitalisation scheme. Film and book titles go in italics; song titles, titles of individual TV episodes, and titles of short stories go in quotation marks. WP:Manual of style. Please check out any internal links that you add and make sure they go to the correct material. I don't know which Fame series he was in, so you will have to resolve that one yourself. I removed the brackets from Black Roses, as the link goes to a diambiguation page, and none of the articles listed there is about a film. The material on the film career is unsourced; please add sources. Wikipedia itself is not considered a reliable source; it has to be from somewhere else. IMDb is not considered a reliable source. Good luck. -- Dianna (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Will check articles after GOCE May drive
After proofing several other articles, with many remaining punctuation problems (and continuity), I think the easiest solution will be for me to proofread, and update, other articles when the GOCE May drive ends. At this point, I do not want to push for extra editing, in the last few days, while everyone has their ongoing schedules in progress. Unlike other members, I do not participate in the other June drives, so I will have those 30 days to re-edit hundreds of articles for obvious punctuation which has slipped through the rapid edits. At least we are seeing a thousand articles cleared, to unclutter the remaining list, and help prioritize which articles to fix in the next drive. -Wikid77 (talk) 14:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try to help, although my time is likely to be rather limited (RL, helping out with STiki development, a couple of request articles copyediting - one on hold - and that I tend to be "slow but thorough" when I copyedit a page, including following up on someone else). Allens (talk &#124; contribs) 15:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Wikid77. That would be a huge help. --Stfg (talk) 16:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

A favor
Hi, Diannaa. How are you? I was wondering if you could help me with an article. I made a few changes to a FA I wrote called Honório Hermeto Carneiro Leão, Marquis of Paraná. Could you take a look at it and correct any grammar or spelling errors? It's not the entire article, but just a few sections: "Defender of the Constitution", "Genesis of the Conservative Party" and "Party leader in the Chamber of Deputies". If you are willing to, you should know that you can take your time and there is no hurry, ok? Thanks, --Lecen (talk) 00:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S.: You may shorten some sentences if you want to, but I'd like to ask you to keep all transcriptions intact. --Lecen (talk) 00:59, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay; I will do a bit right now. -- Dianna (talk) 02:14, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That one still needs work on the Endnotes; should be named {efn}s with {harvnb}s. The refs in the middle of sentences should either be shift to the end or parenthetical... I'll wait to avoid {ec}s... Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 03:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I am done for today and will go over it again tomorrow. Sorry, Br'er Rabbit, but I edit-conflicted with you on Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima so you will have to take a do-over on your clean-up pass. Good night, -- Dianna (talk) 04:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you said you would look further on the article the day after, but since yoiu didn't do it, I presume it's okay now? If it is, I'd like to tell you how much I appreciate your help and I mean it. Thank you very much! --Lecen (talk) 18:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually got busy and forgot. I will give it another look later, but it is very close to done. -- Dianna (talk) 18:43, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have done a second pass. Please check it over to make sure I have not inadvertently changed the meaning of anything. Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's wonderful! I'm in debt with you. --Lecen (talk) 18:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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Having some problems with a user
Been having some issues with a user over at, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus

Mostly with User:History2007, who in general is fairly condescending and snarky with me and is really obstructing any efforts to try and improve the article in question. Any help would be appreciated. ScienceApe (talk) 15:18, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a quick look and I see what you mean. Unfortunately I don't have the time or the interest in the subject matter to get involved right now. You are doing a good job of focusing on the content and avoiding the pitfall of taking the bait. That's the very best way to handle the problem. -- Dianna (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Granted, I'm an atheist myself so I too have little interest in the subject matter, but I saw a clear neutrality violation that had to be fixed. Thanks anyway. ScienceApe (talk) 00:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I noticed the change
Nice that you added Anne Frank to the top of your page. --Greenmaven (talk) 19:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The main reason I put her there is this quotation: "It's a wonder I haven't abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart." It helps me keep my sense of perspective when I have trouble with other users here on Wiki; if she could say such a thing after all she'd been through ... ! Well, it's a worthy attitude to strive for. -- Dianna (talk) 19:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Barnstars page drafted
Hi Dianna. I've drafted the barnstars page. Would you check it over for errors please? (My brain has turned to porridge from doing it.) Thirty-two active participants are listed there, so I've put a line under the 16th. Would you like to do the bottom half again, and I can do the top? Cheers, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will check your work and will send barnstars to the bottom half of the list. I'll get a newsletter started too and will let you know when there's a draft prepared. Thanks so much :) -- Dianna (talk) 18:17, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have checked your work so you can start handing out barnstars when you have time. -- Dianna (talk) 18:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. --Stfg (talk) 19:13, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just saw this ... thanks again guys. - Dank (push to talk) 23:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

GOCE request I'm uncertain about
Hi Dianna. I put this GOCE request on hold because it could potentially interfere with this mediation. I'd hate to see a good copy editor and/or nice person unwittingly dragged into that area of contention or stumble into unintentionally disrupting the mediation. Please would you take a view on whether this is sufficient, or whether the request should be completely declined at present and the requester invited to resubmit it once the mediation is done? TIA. Simon. --Stfg (talk) 11:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, that sounds like a good decision to me. The mediation may take quite a while so it might be a good idea to remove it from the list if it hasn't concluded in the next few weeks. -- Dianna (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, let's review in a month or so. --Stfg (talk) 15:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Re number of Jewish victims on Adolf Hitler page
Hello Diannaa. If you look at the talkpage for the above, you'll see someone has queried the unsourced figure given for the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust. (I expect you've been here before.) I've changed the main text to include the word 'estimated' ('approximately' would be an alternative but might raise doubts). This can be sourced (e.g. Snyder's Encyclopedia of the Third Reich gives the 6m figure), but as the person raising this may be a Holocaust denier, ideally I wouldn't want to use a Jewish historian as a reference. Also, I note that no other part of the page intro is referenced and wondered if this is policy before references appear in the main text. The figure is of course impossible to verify beyond stating that it emerged at the Nuremberg Trials (though I've been unable to pin down precisely where). Hilberg gives a figure nearer 5 million; Gilbert's Atlas of the Holocaust, nearer 5.75 million. I recall once seeing an estimate of 8.2m which was criticised as unreasonably high, given that no official overall figures exists. Lucy Davidowicz states that an estimate of 5.7m was given at Nuremberg and comments that it has proved "remarkably accurate". Kim Traynor (talk) 11:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Kim. Thank you for helping keep an eye on this vital article. WP:LEAD states that all the information in the lead must appear somewhere else in the body of the article, so citations in the lead are considered redundant. Typically in Good Articles and Featured Articles, the only things with citations are direct quotes and contentious material about living persons. The figure of six million is a well-established estimate used by many historians; Yad Vashem has collected names of four million confirmed victims so far. There will be limits as to the further refinement of the exact tally as the remaining survivors pass away and will no longer be available to give oral histories. Six million may be a tad on the high side, but since so many were killed without their deaths being recorded, I am comfortable with rounding up to six million. I don't think we need to add the word 'estimated' or 'approximately' to our number, as it is obvious that the number is an estimate. We very recently had a related discussion on the talk page at Talk:Adolf Hitler. Best regards, -- Dianna (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

One more drive barnstar
Hi Dianna. Allens's program really is good, and it spotted two more barnstars that people have earned. You are now on the leaderboard for 5k+, and your shiny new one has been added to that section above. Sorry I miscounted it before. Best, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 11:21, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa, that's right; I forgot about Mauser. That's one useful programme! Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Heinrich Himmler
Your ce work is rolling along nicely, therein. I will pop in as needed for cites and such. This "hidden content" being added by another editor is something I will leave to your discretion. With that said, I don't believe most of it should be kept. Lastly, congrats on the "good article" standing for Hermann ("...you can call me Meier!") Göring. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 13:17, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, but I don't want to rush in there and hurt his feelings. I am gonna try to relax and not act on it too hastily. Thanks! I gotta get that Meier story back in the Göring article; it's not there right now. I think I can source it to Evans. Regards, -- Dianna (talk) 14:23, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the yummy brownie! -- Dianna (talk) 19:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)