User talk:Dineshkannambadi/Archive4

Thank you!
My browser was about to quit on your talk page! sincerely, Mattisse 03:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oveall, the article looks good!
It is much improved from its submission. Personally, I liked the infobox before you changed it just now. (But I am ignorant about info boxes and all you go through regarding them -- and the mysterious requirements of FA editors. That one you just replaced - at least I could follow it and find the dynasty I wanted.) The new map is better though -- more comprehenisve and accurate, I gather. (You must have a very hectic life -- I, by contrast, am merely endlessly talked about in an Arbitration in which I refuse to do more than  make one short statement!)  Sincerely, Mattisse 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Since there is no shortage of English language books, please remove your marathi book citations "and the sentences they are citing".Find english books and start quoting from them. Or please stay out of these articles you are unnecessarily holding up.thanks.
 * You are not the owner of this website, We have shortage of English books depicting Maharastra's history. Plz behave urself, dont write on my talk page with such language again.


 * have that book and its citation removed. What is wrong on Seuna page cant become right on Chalukya page. It is not our job to go and clean up every article that uses non English books on English wiki nor are the mistakes by others a reason for us to make the same mistakes. If you feel Vaidya and Bhandarkar's views are valid, find English books written by them and quote them. Their views on a Marathi book is not for English wiki, but perhaps for Marathi wiki.
 * Their is no need to remove Marathi citations from yadavas page. U need to understand that ur not the decision maker here. When wikipedia allows other-language citations,i take ur comments casually.


 * my reply-->Preference comes to picture when the matter is conflicting. If the matter is the same in both books (both language books), there is no issue of preference. I hope you understand this point.thanks.
 * This is ur perception and which is wrong. The sooner u get out of this better for u.


 * Plz dont write on my page if u dont have the courtesy and mannerisms.

Sarvabhaum 04:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And yes, if u r still having problems, plz see senior members. I know i am right and hence i am ready for arbitration. So instead of reverting cited info,do the needful.Sarvabhaum 04:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire infobox
The preceding/succeeding states are automatically shifted to the bottom if more than 4 feature on either side. This came from layout problems that arose when too many states were placed at the top. - 52 Pickup 09:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Free e-book
Hello Dineshkannambadi,

Who are these, Feature Article reviewers, are and what do you mean by violation,and why are you anticipating the it would not be allowed when some wiki pages have them.

Thanks Southernstar

Useful Information and the e-book
Hello Mr.Dineshkannambadi, On what basis did you come to the conclusion that Swell's e-book is not an useful information.It is just like what one finds under *USEFUL READING* section.Moreover that book from 1905 forms the basis for most other English books covered on Vijayanagara Empire.So Don't you think that is not useful.Moreoover I think it is necessary to allow that link,if other Wiki pages allow it.Do not make comittee decisions with a narrow set of rules. Southernstar

Dot in vijaya-nagara empire map
I added a dot in the capital city locationin in vijayanagara empire. I have not added text since, then other language wikis may not like it. mlpkr 18:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is correct, on lines intersecting with goa and Rameswaram. See vijayanagara page also for reference. Perhaps those saint pictures cab go to Haridasas page. Actually there are statues of all famous telugu poets at hyderabad tankbund. Someone could take pictures of them. mlpkr 19:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

e-book
I see you and I both have sent numerous messages to the e-book person! Anything you want me to do in particular today? The editors have not made any new comments. Sincerely, --Mattisse 19:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you want me to use the strike out method? --Mattisse 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll use a little of both as using too much strike out is confusing when the change is not controversial (such as small wording changes but not removing material). For example,  the intro has to start with the article title per MoS. Sincerely, Mattisse 19:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I did a little copy edit but those two articles are not the kind I can copy edit in the way you want. There is nothing productive I can add to them. If there is something else I am willing. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Literature subarticles
I added Molla (poetess), Timmakka, Lakshmana Pandita etc. articles. They are stubs and add information if you have more. I also provided links to missing telugu poets. mlpkr 19:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for encouragement and that motivates to contribute more. I appreciate if you place it on my user page instead on talk page. mlpkr 08:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I added references and also expanded Ashtadiggajas. See subarticles like Nandi Thimmana and Pingali Surana for a glance. I added sections and also added styles of the authors. mlpkr 11:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Send the maps in and I will render them in next three days. mlpkr 14:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

too bad
How did it ever reach the arbitration stage? That seems drastic for a content dispute. I have been involved in one since December.
 * Requests for arbitration/Starwood
 * Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Evidence
 * Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Workshop
 * Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Proposed decision etc. etc.

One of the proposals is that I be banned from Wikipedia for six months! I haven't really entered into it and I can barely follow what is happening. But it is an exhausting and horrible process. And I have no faith in the outcome. It is making me think about leaving Wikipedia. I hope yours is nothing like that.

Anything I can do to help you, let me know. Sincerely, Mattisse 21:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. When you look at a diff, how do you find where it is on the page? It says Line #, but then how do you find that line? (That is part of the reason I can't follow my own arbitration.)  --Mattisse 21:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

bad
It's all horrible. Mine was preceeded by Then more mediations.
 * Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival
 * Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival
 * Requests for comment/Mattisse
 * Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Mattisse etc. etc. etc.

You would think I was a really interesting person! And nothing was accomplished by any of these endless time-consumming processes. I can't even read the stuff!

Did you know that
 * Kalyani Chalukyas
 * Chalukyas
 * Chalukya
 * Chalukya Dynasty all redirect to Chalukya dynasty?

Then there are more Chalukyas articles with other names. Sincerely, Mattisse 21:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

India
I vowed months ago never to ever get involved with India articles again for this very reason. (I keep breaking that vow.) My original trouble was magnified by editing India articles and harassment by people who were perceived as Indian because of their name and thus accepted as such and their irrational behavior defended by others on that basis. Now it turns out they are not Indian at all. Everyone is irrational. --Mattisse 22:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

internet
I ran across this article link on Wikipedia a few days ago and I think it explains some of this. It is very serious. When it is said "Don't feed the trolls" I did not understand the importance of that before because I was not understanding what was happening. Sincerely, Mattisse 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. If you ever want to discuss this seriously it should be by email. --Mattisse 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * -- especially this link. --Mattisse 22:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire
Please run a spell check on this FA candidate when you have time. It is nearing a final stage before it gets the nod.Sincerely.Dineshkannambadi 22:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey there. I just finished the spell check. Good luck with the FA process. CmdrObot 00:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Great that u have got the books. I have got only 1 volume,i suppose. I shall add the page numbers soon.
 * Plz note that removed cited info is vandalism. Be aware.

Sarvabhaum 09:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That last sentence
I know what it says, but I don't understand the dynamics behind it - why Hinduism? Because of the influence of those three writers mentioned in the articles? Hinduism then seem very different from Wikipedia Hinduism. --Mattisse 11:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm just trying to understand for myself. My ignorance of all this stems from my genetic lack of any "religion" gene. I have never been able to understand formal religions. In the article, some of the religious writers sound more (what I would call) political. But maybe politics and religion are the same.


 * Disregard the following: My wonderful father was a scientist and a pragmatist. My religion is that I am part of the universe and a figment of my own imagination. You design microchips so your thinking must be tiers above mine. Sincerely, --Mattisse 13:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. Congradulations on your latest Feature Article!--Mattisse 13:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading tea leaves
Yes it it -- just doesn't have the Star yet. --Mattisse 15:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

counting chickens
They haven't hatched yet, it's true. But reading down the cadidate page at the comments on other articles, I feel it's a foregone conclusion. You have had Featured Articles before, no serious objections have been made, and this article (in my opinion) is better than your others. The nominator is just letting the process run to completion before he stamps it. I am 100% sure. But I understand your hesitancy. Sincerely, --Mattisse 16:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I know
I am the same way. It's called being obsessive-compulsive. --Mattisse 16:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Books on India
I was looking on Amazon.com --Mattisse 16:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Architecture
 * History


 * Ha ha ha!!U trying to intimidate me? That means u think i am bluffing when I say I have that book. yes dear,i will quote it soon. Unfortunately my college, my university nor my library work according to my preferences!!Sarvabhaum 17:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And what is this!!


 * But I can't get books in India. --Mattisse 20:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

question on books
Is there any evidence that Praudha Raya (also known as Praudha Devaraya) wrote a book on erotics? This sentence was in the Praudha Raya article: He wrote Ratiratnapradipika, a book on erotics.

I thought the wikilink was very misleading: Rather than going to the work as it looks like it does, it is piped and goes to List of authors of erotic works.

Ratiratnapradipika

The List of authors of erotic works is not referenced, and the same person who put the misleading link in the Praudha Raya article is also the person who added Praudha Devaraya's name to the list thusly (piped):


 * Praudha Devaraya -- author of the Ratiratna Pradipika

So, does your book reference to the article say he wrote Ratiratnapradipika, a book on erotics? None of the external links on the page do.

This is important because Vijayanagara Empire contains this sentence:  Notable among secular writings on music and medicine were Vidyaranya's Sangitsara, Praudha Raya's Ratiratnapradipika, Sayana's Ayurveda Sudhanidhi and Lakshmana Pandita's Vaidyarajavallabham.

This may be of no consequence but I noticed earlier today someone reverted Sayana because the same person who put the misleasing link in Praudha Raya put unsourced material in Sayana. You probably should check out Lakshmana Pandita also. I will if I have the energy.

I removed the misleading link as that type of link is improper. Sincerely, Mattisse 02:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have provided external links to both Praudha Raya's works and also for Lakshmana Pandita. I have added Praudha Devaraya as his other name, only since some websites about that sex manual mention this later name and some others mention simply Praudha Raya. You can also see durag prasad's online copy at http://igmlnet.uohyd.ernet.in:8000/gw_44_5/hi-res/hcu_images/G2.pdf. mlpkr 17:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Your reference book

 * I dont give a damn to ur bullying or incivility. U r not that important for me to go and run for books not I have ample energy, time and money to get involved in stupid argument with u. Do not write on my talk page if u dont have know to behave properly. Ur insecurity is ur problem not mine. Mind ur language when talking with me.Sarvabhaum 07:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Chalukya-->I have reverted. Please provide ID number, year of publication for your citation not just for C.V.Vaidya's book but also for your citation in the literature section. Also please be consistant with the rest of the article and dont throw names of scholars in the middle of prose. Put it in the inline citation.thanks.
 * Firstly, I am not ur slave to act upon ur commands. Enough of ur bullying. I know u have caused a lots of embarrassment to urself because of ur nonsense u add here. What is ID number etc etc. I have provided that is necessary. This is not the rocker science project of NASA. Stop framing ur own rules and dont waste my time. U can format the citations if u want(without changing the meaning). Plz remember that,u dont own any article and u will not talk with me in such language again.Make that sure else stay away from me. Sarvabhaum 17:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

SHUT UP! stop irritating me. Damn,how do u expect all these things from a book which is of 1924 AD.Do u have sense? Stop bullying me. Dont write in my talk page. Let some senior and sane person talk to me and I will clarify him. U dont come to my talk page and trouble me. Is that clear? Sarvabhaum 18:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Vijayanagara
Hi! I am yet to go through the whole article. I'll comment in FAC then. So far, my concern has been the length. However, considering the coverage of the article, I may consider that ;) --Dwaipayan (talk) 18:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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copy edit
Do you want me to go through Vijayanagara Empire for odd wording? Now it seems from the FA comments that they are bothered by that and want straight forward word usage. Sincerely, Mattisse

o.k.
I thought the excess linking had been removed. I'll remove all I can - some of that is a matter of opinion (as is everything, I guess). --Mattisse 20:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree
The names of person bear relinking on occasion. I was thinking that granite and other words like that should be delinked. --Mattisse 20:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

named references
Glancing through your footnotes, it looks like there are several instances where you could use a "named reference". This would reduce the large volume at the bottom. It would also make the text much easier to edit. Even when the reference isn't on the same page, you can give a range of pages, say p. 117, 234-236. I have done this many times. It really saves space. Sincerely, --Mattisse 22:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

See the references here: Open the Door, Richard. Look how they are named in the text, then how they show up in Notes. --Mattisse 23:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is one where I cite four different places (one of them a range of pages) in a book in one footnote: Art Rupe. --Mattisse 23:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

These were both FA articles

 * Che Guevara
 * British African-Caribbean community

Maybe the footnotes need rethinking. Both the above articles use a variety of ways to convey details. Sincerely, Mattisse 23:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Links in V E
I can't tell anymore if there are remaining links that should not be. Can you? Sincerely, Mattisse

Ordered a book as an experiment
I ordered Rock-Cut Temples Styles; Early Pandyan Art and the Ellora Shrines, by y K. V Soundara Rajan, K.V. SOUNDARA RAJAN as an experiment. Besides, thes subject is excatly my interest. We will see what hapens. I must order another book as I have a #25 coupon that will expire sson! Sinceeely, Mattisse

recent comments
User:Shushruth's edit changes to the lead are dead on. He is right. Now I am very clear what needs to be done. My problem is that I do not know words like rishi  -- you can come up with that type of thing! (I think he is a medical doctor from Bengalore and expects a professional article. We can do that.) Sincerely, Mattisse 15:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Lanka
By Lanka do you mean Sri Lanka? The link Lanka leads to a mythical place. Sincerely, Mattisse 18:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you want it changed or should it still go to a mythical place? --Mattisse 18:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

editing
I am glad Shushruth has volunteered to do it. He won't have to do the duplication that has been so exhausting for me. That is much better. He will just clean it up and that will be that. I have been in an impossible possition and am now hopelessly confused, so this is definately the solution. When I see something wrong, I don't know anymore whether I have changed it before and you reversed it or whether it is wrong and I didn't change it! Sincerely, Mattisse 02:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

truth
Do you think there is any such thing? Or are their just a myriad of opions? Not that I am minimisimg the importance of sourcing. Being the acacemic type, that was my training. But truth is becoming ephemeral. As people we have myths that we call history. I am very bitter this evening, having had a particularly bad day. I think the only person I will trust to communicate with on these talk pages is you. Sincerely, Mattisse 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

hello
I have been severely distracted and turned upside down by my "case" in the last day or two. I need to thing of something else. Is there something you would like me to do (something that does not involve strikouts, as that is too exhausting a type of work for me today)? Sincerely, Mattisse 17:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Maps and misc
I am waiting for your paper maps. Please look at changes I addedin Leadin section in Vijayanagara Empire and believe you like them. If you do, I could do similar slimmings on other paragraphs. mlpkr 18:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The maps are available at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rashtrakuta-empire-map.svg and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Western-chalukya-empire-map.svg. mlpkr 18:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I followed the respective articles about the cities. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manyakheta and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basavakalyan. Are they wrong? I wait for your response. mlpkr 18:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I got slight error in borders and corrected. Also reduced the size of dots as they are falling on borders. Corrected the capitals locations after looking into http://www.kssidc.kar.nic.in/karmap_files/gulbarga.asp?bc=white&t=a#a and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Karnataka-districts-numbered_with_legend.png. Have a look again and let me know feedback. mlpkr 20:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The Literature ideas sounds good. I will sure help. I would like request your help on making kakatiya dynasty a good article after your other empire articles. mlpkr 20:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

poets
Do you have any preferences as to which? As to the language, I don't know either one. Mattisse 18:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Name some. I found out only in creating the last one that he was Sanskrit. The one before I think was Kannada. Those literature articles are very hard for me to figure out. Sincerely, Mattisse 21:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * So every proper noun that is not a literary work should have an article? Sorry to be so dense, but I don't understand the article and cannot tell what is important and needs its own article. Sincerely, Mattisse 22:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. It's just been suggested in Arbitration that I am not one person, but a group of mentally-ill incarcerated inmates!

On the literature issue, maybe I'll wait until there is another area. To try to compile a list of who seems like a scholar or whatever would be taking huge stabes in the dark. And even if I had a list, my usual methods of figuring things out don't work on the those literature articles. Too many completely unfamiliar terms, duplicate names, links that go to totally unrelated articles, etc. and no way of disintanging it for me. Sincerely, Mattisse 00:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Dispute
Hi, I have gone through the sources that Sarvabhaum has provided and what was posted on my talk. These are my findings:
 * 1) Britannica source says that it is probable that the "Rashtrakuta also spoke another northern Deccan language." -- This can be added, keeping it as vague as the source as to what language was spoken.
 * 2) Some of the Marathi scanned documents cited wasn't very clear, (resolution issues) so no comments.
 * 3) If "C.V.Vaidya states that Chalukya are pure Maratha kshatriyas"  and a source is present, we should mention it in the article. "According to historian CV Vaidya..." to balance different historian views. As long as the historian has presented published views, we cannot discredit it, unless his theories were convincely proved incorrect by mordern day historians.

I'm afraid I don't have any more time to mediate this dispute. Thanks! =Nichalp  «Talk»=  19:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Nagavarma I and Nagavarma II.
I did do a stub for Nagavarma I. But I could find almost zero information about him. I will try Nagavarma II. But I think the same thing will happen because doing a search on one gets both of them. Then there are more famous and recent people with the same name, so all the information pertains to them. I only have the internet -- no books or any other source. Sincerely, Mattisse 00:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I did Nagavarma II but the second article on Google was almost word for word from Wikipedia (yours). I'll try Talakad. --Mattisse 01:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking at the history of Talakad I've already worked on that article quite a bit. Is there a special part or way you want it enhanced? Something emphasised? --Mattisse 01:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Keerthinarayana temple
This appears to be the most impressive temple in this town with over 30 others. The town is a very interesting, neglected place. It sounds wonderful. Should the article about the temple be here? --Mattisse 03:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

(quote from another article) The Vaidyeshsara temple along with four others - Arkeshwara, Vasukishwara or Pataleshwara, Saikateshwara or Maraleshwara and Mallikarjuna constitute the Panchalingams here. These five Lingams are said to represent the five faces of Shiva.

How do you want to handle the temple issue here?--Mattisse 03:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be refreshing to focus on the place as a whole -- the history and atmosphere. Temple after temple gets to be a bit much (to me) and the localities of India get lost in it all. --Mattisse 03:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Plz file and RFC-whatever that means

 * A sane person will some common sense and without any regionalistic cow-dung, will understand that Northern Deccan language means Maharashtri Prakrit. U might not knowing it since u read some 'self-proclaimed historians' books who have no identity outside their states. Perhaps Chalukya's Marathi script script should be removed and so does Kannada script from Yadavas page. And yeah, u need to present the scans of the books/pages which u quoted on Yadavas page. Some Suryanath and Verma,if u want that stuff to be their. Just like Vaidya and Bhandarkar is not enough for u,so does ur Kannada historians not enough for me. If u have any problem u and ur sockpuppets are free to file a RFC. I will be getting English scans sooner!
 * I pity u since its clear ur having some major psychological problems. Many Marathi, telugu and Tamil members have pointed out ur shameless kannada POV pushing with the help of Karnataka govt. sponsored books. Thanks but no thanks, that books and papers may be fir for kannada language wikipedia.English wikipedia is not a place to prove ur history and state is glorious. rather ur proving otherwise, as a person pointed out, the kannada empires were slaves to Marathas and Nizam!!

Jai Hind Jai Maharashtra —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarvabhaum (talk • contribs) 08:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

and yes, plz learn some manners!!

Thank you
Well, the barnstar was a real surprise. Thanks a lot. What amused me was the addendum!(support etc :) ). Anyway, yes I too wish there were more people interested in Indian stuffs. In fact, participation in quality improvement drives of India-related articles (FAC, Collaboration of the Week, GAC etc) has, unfortunately, decreased of late. Bye the way, are you aware of Portal:India/Quiz? You can be there and enjoy. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

hello
Another day. My foot is swollen & elevated and I have to keep changing hands for the computer mouse. I hope we both have a good day today. I will do what I can for you to cheer myself up! Sincerely, Mattisse 15:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Rajaditya
Quick check shows zero info on him. Do you know where some sources are that are available to me? I don't know anything about him except his name. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Search at that site brings up nothing for him or his work. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

ok
This very minute someone is trying to change my email address and password. Wikipedia notified me of that. Also, a person made some changes to some pages to make me look like a sockpuppet. Someone notified me of that too. Just now someone vandalised my user page.

A person attacked me yesterday and was blocked for that (for a short time). But an Advocate for another user in the Arbitration asked that person (the one now blocked) to email him about me. I'm alittle upset. Give me a few moments to calm down. --Mattisse 23:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

email
Someone keeps trying to change it. I just got another message from Wikipedia about that. But it works. I get emails still. I'm trying to hang tough like you have with the harassing abuse you so politely handle. I'm putting all my over reactions in perspective and waiting for my first ever India book. Sincerely, Mattisse 02:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Support
Your FA article just got an important endorsement (bucket of banana) or whatever his name is. It will happen for sure! --Mattisse 03:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! You got the top guy's stamp of approval. --Mattisse 16:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Kannada/ Telugu script

 * Hello Dineshkannambadi,


 * Please accept my humblest appologies for the slight mistake in regards to citations. I have added to the Vatteluttu page which was started by someone else. However, I did stop by mentioning the Pallava kingdom. But, I had in mind to add the other Dravidian kingdoms such as the Chalukyas, Pandyas, Cholas, and the Cheras. I was going to get around to it sooner or later. I really appreciate you pointing this out to me, since it would cause confusion for other readers, especially those whose ancient kingdoms are not the Pallavas. I understand that Kannada is older than Telugu and of the Chalukya-Pallava wars as mentioned in K.A. Nilakanta Sastri’s ‘’History of South India’’.


 * Also, I will definitely add in the Vatteluttu page that the circular looking scripts of Southern India are not soley ‘’Pallava’’ as described by Coedes and Hart. Furthermore the Pallava script seems like a generic title to give the circular scripts of Southern India since the Chalukyas, Pandyas, Cholas, and Cheras wrote in this circular non-Devanagari style of writing. As far as I know, Vatteluttu is the terminology for the circular writing style of Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Also, considered Pallava script generically speaking. The Pallavas were both in Andra Pradesh and Northern Tamil Nadu.


 * I would really like to expand the Vatteluttu page and if you would like to help, that would be great. As far as I know, the Indo-Aryan scripts of Northern India and Nepal all use a similar style of writing called Devanagari. However, we seldom hear a classification for the circular writing of the Dravidians in Southern India. From what I have found in a couple of sources is that the terminology for the circular styled writing is Vatteluttu.


 * Also, I have formed the WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and would like to know if you would be interested in joining our group. The purpose of this project is to work on various topics related to the Dravidian civilizations of the Kannadigas, Tamils, Malayalees, Telugus, Brahuis, and Malto peoples of South Asia. This project will cover a wide array of topics from language, to scripts, history, arts, and much more. Perhaps we can work together on the Vatteluttu page.


 * Coming back to the terminology for the classification of circular styled writings, is there already a name for the Kannada script? Perhaps, we can create a page for that topic, and also post a link on Vatteluttu page directing the user to the Kannada script page? Or, we can have something on Kannada script on the Vatteluttu page? Once again, if you are interested in joining our poject group please link to WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and post your username in the members section. Kind regards. Wiki Raja 06:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire
It still has a ways to go? How so? What does it need? Do you want me to do something (that I am capable of doing)? --Mattisse 22:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

New FA suggestions
An editor has listed some. Severl of those I have wondered about myself -- it will be a better article when the wording problems are addressed. So that's good, not discouraging that the editor bothered to scrutinizine the article on that level. He wants clarity and that helps us think things through more! --Mattisse 11:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * More headings -- I don't know if that is a good idea. I'll have to take a closer look at what he said about that. My sense from the two FA reviews of your articles that I have been involved in is that most editors feel the less heading (subheadings) the better. I'll look more specifically now. I have been working on Talakad -- for you! --Mattisse 13:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What about "reliefs" or similar for paintings. They are carved into walls. I will look for other words because they did do more decorative art than sculpture.
 * I like "personal army" too -- that is not close enough to what you mean? Republican guard does not seem right -- but of course I don't know.
 * I struggled with the Judea thing too for the same reasons, so one of his alternatives can be used. Nothing suggested is truly correct.
 * I can look into the camlet thing (or it can be just left out) --Mattisse 13:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

a relief
This is a relief. I think it is beautiful. --Mattisse 14:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

When it is describing carving & then painting over with plaster to smoothe the flaking granite, this is what is meant. Common yes, and also representative and beautiful. Pictures are good when they explain something the text cannot. It seems like that was the problem with the editor's comment. He could not visualise what was meant. I changed the sentence about the commanders -- hope it is o.k.

Also, I found a link for camlet. It should take care of that problem. I probably will continue to pester you with photos as there so many lovely ones. (Just indulge me in this -- I'm not pressuring you to use them!) --Mattisse 15:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Those are great!
They should be used -- especially the ones that show the fine detail. (Do you have ones that illustrate the plaster and painting over the carving, as described in the article (closer to the "picture" concept? --Mattisse 16:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Velanati Chodas
I have started creating page for Chiefton kings in Andhra Pradesh during the same time of Western Chalukyas. You could use that and also extend any information you have. mlpkr 20:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry you had to cover my tracks. Seems like it is going well though. I wish I were more helpful. Sincerely, --Mattisse 21:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Chitradurga Fort
Chitradurga Fort - just a start. Couldn't find a photo on the commons but there some great ones on the internet. --Mattisse 02:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

More on Aravidu Line
Hi,

Thank you for the mail. I added the Aravidu kings’ content based from the book Nilakanta Shastri’s book “A History of South India”, with additional references from the two other books mentioned in those pages, which cover the history of Madurai and Tanjore Nayaks.Their reign and politics with the Southern Nayak rulers also caused greater re-configuration of life and society in Tamil Nadu starting from 17th century.

Also it is a surprise that they were able to hold on to at least 1/3rd of their Domains for well over another 100 years, inspite of numerous civil wars, rebellious and murderous kins, non-stop invasions from the Deccan Sultans, and unco-operative Nayaks for Madurai and Gingee. Their main villains responsible for their final misery would be none other than the middle kings of Madurai Nayaks (and to a lesser degree the Nayaks of Gingee), whose follies and skulduggery in supporting the Deccan Sultans to put off the Aravidu Kings. The Aravidu line still had strong support from the Tanjore and Mysore kings, and the Mysore kings even avenged the Madurai Nayaks by frequently raiding into their territory and finally capturing the districts of Salem and Coimbatore in the later part on 17th century.

And one of India’s earliest freedom struggles, called (Polygar Wars) was also fought by the Polygars of Vijaynagar line (appointed by Madurai Kings) in Tamil Nadu, of whom Puli Devar and Veerapandiya Kattabomman are honoured by the State government, with the later having State Transport Buses named after in Tirunelveli Districts and the INS Kattabomman naval centre n Tuticorin.

The magnificent Vellore Fort was used as a major base or second capital by the Aravidu line of Vijayanagara Kings. However the people in (Tamil Nadu) general do not know much about the early rulers of Vellore Fort except the Muslim Occupation and imprisonment of Tipu Sultan family.

The Battle of Toppur is considered to be one of the biggest battles ever to take place in South India, and it was Venkata III and Sriranga III, who granted charter to the English to set up the present day city of Chennai (or Madras), where Chennai is named after one Chennapa Nayak, a commander under one of the Vijayanagara kings.

One more interesting information which is totally obscure to us (Indians) or south Indians in particular is that Sri Lanka’s last ruling monarch/Kingdom of Kandy (1739-1815), (called Nayaks of Kandy) and four of his predecessors were from the Madurai Nayaks royal family. How they became rulers of Kandy would be very interesting if you go through their wiki page and links. The last King of Kandy was finally brought captive to Vellore Fort (in 1815 by the British) along with his royal family (i.e. after Tipu Sultan’s sons were shifted to Calcutta) and lived here till his last days. The Colonial government of Sri Lanka took care of their daily expenses.

And watch out in the movie Guru, one of the song sequences of Abishek and Aishwariya Rai is shot in the Thirumalai Nayak Palace of Madurai Nayaks. --Southernstar 11:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire -> FA
Hi Dinesh, Let me be the first one to congratulate you on the occasion of Vijayanagara Empire article getting FA status! Very well done and wish you more and more success in your future FA drive. Best Wishes, - KNM Talk 06:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on FA!
That is wonderful and you deserve it. I am leaving Wikipedia so this is my last message. I'm glad it is on a happy note for you. Sincerely, --Mattisse 06:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I did do some on Talakad and was going to do more. But I cannot deal with the hurtfulness of Wikipedia any longer. --Mattisse 06:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Great, congratulations!! You worked hard. btw, how about creating sources of vijayanagar history page. I got inspiration from https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no35229.htm. We had more information than that page and also can give details about which source and inscription gave details of which king and war. Is it worth it? mlpkr 12:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Dinesh, Congratulations on yet another FA!! -- Naveen  (talk) 12:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations again Dinesh. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What is the difference between this and http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagara_Empire? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mlpkr (talk • contribs) 12:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Ecomony - first couple paras
(I started reorganising some, so I am running it by you first -- rough draft)

Agriculture was the empire's main source of income as the majority of the people lived in villages and worked as farmers. The staple crops were rice, pulses, and cotton in the dry areas and sugercane in areas with sufficient rainfall. Areca and Betel were the chief cash crops. Chalukya records specifically mention black soil and red soil lands in addition to wetland, dryland and wasteland in determining taxation rates. The burden of tilling the land fell upon the landless labourers whose living conditions must have been tolerable as records do not mention revolts by the landless against wealthy landlords. While discontent among the poor cannot be discounted, the normal practice of disgruntled peasants was to migrate in large numbers out of the jurisdiction of the ruler mistreating them, causing him revenue loss.

Rich traders also contributed significantly to the kings treasury through the system of taxing imports and exports. Merchants organised themselves into powerful guilds that transcended political divisions so their operations were largely unaffected by wars and revolutions. Their only source of trouble was briganding when their caravans travelled to distant lands. Prominant names of merchant guilds were the Mannigramam, Nanadesis and Ainnurruvar. Guilds of local merchants were called nagaram, while the Nanadesis were the traders from neighbouring kingdoms who perhaps mixed business with pleasure. The wealthiest and most influential were the self styled Ainnurruvar also known as the 500 Svamis of Ayyavolepura (present day Aihole). They were the most celebrated of all South Indian merchant guilds, conducting extensive overseas and long distance land trade which contrbuted significantly to the overall foreign trade of the empire. They fiercely protected their trade obligations (Vira Bananjudharma or law of the noble merchants) and often recorded their achievements in inscriptions called Prasasti. Five hundred such Prasasti, with their own flag and the bull as their emblem, attests to their pride in their business. They were the followers of Vaishnava, Shaiva and Jain faith and claimed descent from Vasudeva, Mulabhadra and Khandali.

Sincerely, Mattisse 19:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

maybe this should go under Arts or whatever - instead of Economy
Almost all arts and crafts were organised into guilds and work was done on a corporate basis, as records do not mention individual artists, sculptors and craftsman. The Hoysala ruled regions were an exception, as here individual sculptors etched their names below their creations.

{I removed this from the second para of Ecomony -- in my last post -- as there was no mention of how this related economically to the empire.) --Mattisse 20:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

O.K.
I put all the material about traders together. I haven't tackled the last paragraph yet. Briganding -- the closest I could find was "outlaw" -- though there must be another, better word. Pirates would be good for sea trade. Is there an equivalent word for land? Mongel hordes sort of thing? Sincerely, Mattisse 22:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Banditry
Good idea but it redirects back to Outlaw. This is when I start to get annoyed at Wikipedia! --Mattisse 22:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Outlaw
It will have to do, I guess, but the article mostly talks about English common law etc. and only adds outlaws from other nationalities (there is a Tamil one) when their behavior falls within a similar concept. (This is an example of how I get stuck on my perfectionism.) --Mattisse 22:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

words
I just created Manigramam to try to take care of some of those words the editors will ask about. I noticed someone stuck Tamil people in it. Is that correct? Sincerely, Mattisse 00:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

unidentified words
I've STRIKED words that I could  not find anything remotely relevant. I've left many words for various officals that I think you need either to remove or provide a definition in parentheses. Sincerely, Mattisse 02:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Ainnurruvar
I created an article - Ainnurruvar, a merchants guild. (I'm sure you will see many errors!) They have a web site: http://www.500.org.in/aboutus.html

(quote from the site)

"Ainnurruvar moved from Poompuhar (for some reasons) and settled around the villages on the banks of river Noyyal. Ainnurruvar were itinerant and [p]oor merchants. "

Maybe they are talking about a different period. Sincerely, Mattisse 18:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Change the article as you think it should be. I just used what information I could find. Do you have any suggestions for me to work on now? I'll do another run through Economy now for copy edit. Sincerely, Mattisse 19:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

understand
I realised I was getting into castes which is probably controversial. But that is what was going on, from what I can figure out. There were castes that fulfilled the functions as described in your article. But it's probably like religion -- best avoided as much as possible. Sincerely, Mattisse 19:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Nagarattar
Nagarattar - another hokey merchant guild article I created. Maybe you can make it better! Sincerely, Mattisse 02:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Nanadesis
Nanadesis - another one. Same deal. Maybe you can straighten it out. Thanks! --Mattisse 03:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

questionable
Prabhu - maybe you could evaluate. Thanks! (There is another also I am hunting up to send to you.) Sincerely, --Mattisse 03:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Anjuvannam
Yes, it is very interesting when I think back over the empire/dynasty articles and the frequent mention of religious tolerance over the centuries. India's incredible energy comes, I believe, from such a wealth of cultural intermingling.

On the Economy section, the article says agriculture was the main source of the dynasty's income/revenue but this was both directly taxed and indirectly taxed through the flourishing trade -- the merchant associations which seem entrepreneurial.

When you say traded items were sold in bulk or hawked on the street, do you mean in India, in foreign countries, or both?

Also, there was intra-India trading also with other kingdoms, dynasties and nearby countries/empires. How did traders move the mercandise on land? By elephant or what? (Probably sounds like a stupid question but I am trying to imagine the robbery of caravans.)

Sincerely, Mattisse 16:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Columns
Have you ever thought of writing an article on Indian columms? The column article here totally leaves out anything but classical columns, unless you can hook an individual aritlce on the end. (I would do it if I knew anything about Indian columns.) None of the architecture articles consider the architecture of India! Sincerely, Mattisse 03:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I know it is infinitely complicated but it would be nice to have even a little stub article to stick on column  and let the world know there is something besides Greek and Romman pillars -- that India has architecture too! --Mattisse 15:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Dinesh, Apologies for the delayed reply. Thanks for your suggestion. My problem is that time is not on my side, hence slow work and also I need to procure some more books on these subjects. Yes I would like to make the Madurai Nayak and Tanjore Nayak articles a featured article, and your suggestions will surely be of great help. And I will also keep in touch if in case I need any articles.

Regarding the Photos, I think I can approach someone who has posted in Flickr, for copyright permission or else I have to go in person to take some snaps in Tanjore, Madurai, Vellore and Chandragiri. And watch out in future for the pages on Nayaks, their administration, and Aravidu dynasty and I am also working on Sivaganga Kingdom and Tanjore Marathas (the last two do not have a Wiki page yet) and may be I will also request someone to start a fresh page on Ramnad and Pudukottah Kingdoms.

One basic problem is that in Tamil Nadu everyone is intrested only in Sangam age,Cholas,Pandya and Pallavas,all of who met their end somewhere in 13th century.from there everyone jumps directly into Veerapandiya Kattabomman era (late 18th Century).May be these wiki pages should prompt more people to take intrest in 16th to 19th century.

Southernstar 15:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC) --Southernstar 15:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Hoysala architecture
Sorry. I cannot think of any appropriate box for the article. However, I have asked the question in a more appropriate place. Please see there. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

infobox for architecture
I don't think there is a standard one. I'll look and see what other countries have done, but India always seems to be a special case. We could make one. --Mattisse 17:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hoysala secular
Was there any or is this article strictly on temples? --Mattisse 17:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think some explanation is needed, given the article's name. Also, I think the article needs to be reorganised per my usual comments about organisation. There seems to be more than one overview. What is your timeline on this article? (I can send you a recommended outline if you like.) --Mattisse 18:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

general infobox
Look at the bottom of Indian architecture. There is an infobox there for countries. Maybe something like that but listing empires/kingdoms/dynasties? --Mattisse 17:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Deity dedication
Shouldn't that be under Basic Elements? --Mattisse 18:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So it's MY fault? I've been reading through the FA stuff etc. The article is really about Hoysala temple architecture, don't you think? I read somewhere just now that the study of Indian secular architecture has been neglected until recently because the original archeologists focused on religious architecture. Maybe, as you say, some of the editors' remarks will suggest a solution. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You know I was just kidding (above) as I do not feel you ever seem blaming. On the architecture article - Dieties. It seems like I remember in this or a previous article that someone objected to using the work Hindu. The problem is that there is no ground laid to explain why the temples are all Hindu. So it doesn't seem all that tolerant that they allowed various sects of Hinduism. (I confess to you and you alone -- I thought India was Buddhist until I got working on these India articles at Wikipedia.) So I plead my case as a "representitive non-Indian reader".  Sincerely, --Mattisse 02:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What you just wrote me -- I know that now, but I would not know it if I had not been copy editing so many of your articles. How much knowledge is pressumed in the reader before reading this article -- this article is for the India specialist? Sincerely, --Mattisse 02:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

crumpled up bottom article
I did that because the photos were hanging in space below. It can be fixed by either reverting that section, or (no big deal) enlarging the photo sizes by 70px each. I'll do it if you like. Sincerely, --Mattisse 02:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

template
The History of Architecture template looks good. And they rate the article as "Top" priority. That's great. That will get India's foot in the architectural door.

My book (mailed from India!) refers to "the multiple creeds of Saivism, Vaisnavism, Saktism, late Mahayana and formative Jajarayana" at one point, and at another to "non-Buddhist and Brahmanical" at another. It mentions Brahmanism a lot. And it says "before the exit of Buddhism" - so I guess Buddhism exited.

The guy who wrote the Stepwell article has some book references. Sincerely --Mattisse 15:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

makaratorana
What is the word for this? I finally used the word frieze - but just now looking it up on Google, it's already called a frieze because some of the mirrors have picked it up from the article. Sincerely, --Mattisse 22:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Organisation
Suggestions:

Reason: These are very short sections
 * 1) That Jagati be combined with Temple complex
 * 2) That Pillars be compined with Mantapa

Maybe Research notes could be made into a History section that would be the first section in the article. Maybe Architects could be woven into that.

There is a lot of repetition in the article. Combining sections would be a way of tightening it. Just a suggesion! Sincerely, --Mattisse 23:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

confusing - yes
I was looking at the Hoysalas article that received FA and the format etc. is completely opposite from the one we just did, based on editorial advise. I am completely stymied. I tried to make it more "accessible today". I feel like it has great potential but the organisation is all off. Maybe I'll informally ask Tony1? Would that be O.K? Who is the organisational expert? I read through everything on FA today, and they manage to weasel out of making any definitive statements other than "prose should be great, even brilliant" etc. Sign me, Confused! (--Mattisse 00:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC))

aarchitecture
I looked at lots of architecture articles today and there is no clear format. Many of them are a mess, besides. Plus, now that i have my one India book (with three more on the way) I'm beginning to rethink my India attitude regarding these articles. Since the architectural elements are interwoven with their functional existence {the circumambulation etc.) I'm thinking the purpose needs more explanation. Not overly religious, but just to learn know the ways that function and structure were intergrated is revealing. --Mattisse 00:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

How about Jagati and mantapa and Pillars and sculptures as combined sections.
Well, my point of view is that Jagati is almost explained in Temple complex and don't pillars mostly have to do with mantapas? (Maybe I am wrong here.) Why don't you save a copy on a user page, and lets try your idea. For me, at least, things only become clear by trying. So I'm game. It gets us thinking creatively about the article and that can only be good. --Mattisse 00:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Uncharted waters!
I agree! A real challenge. But i think we can put it off and make this architectural article come alive as few do. We have to think out of the box and focus on what we want to communicate clearly. (And I think few others can help at this point -- unless we go by formula.) Sincerely, --Mattisse 01:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

O.K.
Yes, maybe we need to take a deep breath. Often things suddenly become clear at the least expected time. Sincerely, --Mattisse 01:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

can't get more basic
As far as providing basic information to the reader, I really doubt we can get more basic and convey the meaning.

Maybe to you. But I have never even been to India. What I have learned recently has opened my eyes. I copy edited satisfacorily many Indian articles without any real understanding because it is not that necessary to "get it" to copy edit. But now my goal is to make India understandanble to the world. Plus, I think realistic articles about Indian culture will (hopefully) counterpoint the incessant arguments over religion by people who have no interest in India or the history of India's culture. (That is what got me into this whole Arbitration thing that still continues!) Well, I was a University of California at Berkleley graduate -- insane idealism remains. Sincerely, --Mattisse 01:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

"Just another blog"
Somehow I think we have each proven to be far too obsessive for that! I cannot think clarity and accessiblilty are incompatible with quality. My professional specialty was conveyig totally incomprehensible concepts to people (judges and such) who had to get my point nonetheless and who were sophisticated enough to require logic and evidence. It can be done without dumbing down, I believe. But be honest with me when you thing I aam doing that. If you feel free to express your objections, which so far you seem to have had no problem doing, then we can proceed. Sincerely, --Mattisse 01:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

ON THE ORIGIN OF GANGAS..
In the Tamil book Kongudesa Rajakkal (the kings of kongu(ganga) nadu),the 16th cent Jain author,Valasundara Kavirayar has mentioned Kongani(again called Kongani(Kongu+ani)-ruler of Kongans) as being coronated in Vijayaskandapuram or modernday Kangeyam(again Gangeyam or the seat of Gangas) in Erode dist of Tamilnadu.The language as Wilkins states of the southern part of the Mysore state is called Gangee, a dialect which is also called Kongu Tamil or modern Coimbatore Tamil.The dominant (upto 70%) of the population are the Kongu Vellala Gounders whose historicval name has been Gangakulam.In the Kirtararjuneeya,Durvinita is referred as king of Kongani.Today (please go to wikipedia section Kangeyam bull),the breeds of bulls from Kangeyam are referred as Kanganad bulls (Tamilised Ganganad).So we can assume that these kings were from the ruling Vokkaliga-Vellala farmer caste overlapping the bifurcation of Kannada and Tamil.I have various other references from authors like Arokiasamy on this topic. Pon Dheepankar K, Delhi UNiversity. (native:Erode dist,Tamilnadu) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PONDHEEPANKAR (talk • contribs) 11:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

thanks dinesh
thank you dinesh on editing your work.well done —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PONDHEEPANKAR (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Sorry - thought it was my page
By the time I tried to revert it, it had already bee done. Very sorry! --Mattisse 05:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Got freaked out for a while because a vandal targeted the page because of me (I checked his User Contributions and they were all aimed at articles I had worked on) but I managed to fix what he did without having to reverse my edits. And got him blocked by Fred Bower (not sure what good blocking does thought, as they just show up again in a different persona). Anyway, I feel better for the time being. Sincerely, Mattisse 05:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sea routes
Amazing! Mattisse 22:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, Siraf is my real love. Mattisse 03:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Her place of residence was one of the few pages I could find to link the article to -- I didn't want it to be an orphaned article.  Mattisse 17:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Mamta Sagar
I created that article Mamta Sagar but no one pays attention to it and they wouldn't let me put links to it where she lives! Mattisse 17:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Her place of residence was one of the few pages I could find to link the article to -- I didn't want it to be an orphaned article.  Mattisse 17:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not privacy as it is well known where she lives - biographies on the web etc. They said they didn't feel she was important enough -- something along those lines and didn't fit in with the city's article. Mattisse 17:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

literature and poetry
Isn't poetry a subset of literature -- literature being the the whole body of written works, while there are genres or subsets such as poettry, novels, playwriting, historical works, tracts on mathmatics etc.? --Mattisse 20:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. What did scholars write about? --Mattisse 20:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

detached from wealth and power
If Brahmins were viewed as detached from wealth and power, then why were they lured to relocate by gifts of land and homes? Sincerely, Mattisse 23:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * hmm about the Brahmins, well if you say so. By the way, those figures you gave me -- those do not apply to AMD to they?  Sincerely,  Mattisse 01:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the Barnstar. Getting it from a seasoned editor like you makes it all the more special. -- Naveen  (talk) 03:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

hi
Can you help out on Gopalakrishna Adiga ?  Baka man  18:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Assistance Requested
Hello Dineshkannambadi,

You may recall my attempt to broker a solution to the Telugu V Kannada origin debate on the Vijayanagara page. I noticed that the article recently received FA status, in no small part do to you I imagine. Nevertheless, I am contacting with the intent of requesting your assistance regarding the Indo Greek Article, and a number of other India articles from that period of history. One of the users has continually attempted to aggrandize Greek territory and influence on the subcontinent, contrary to historical evidence. He latches on to questioned interpretation and speculation to give a neo colonial version of what might have occurred.

Most unfortunately, he has recently embraced a map that extends all the way into the deccan. I wish to solicit your support for our cause because my impression is that you have been rationally approaching all historical issues and because you have significant knowledge in the area. We are not seeking some ultranationalist map or account here, but merely an objective recounting of the history as we have it. Please let me know what you think. Your support would very much be appreciated.

Best Regards,

Devanampriya 06:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I will try
I find Wikipedia such a negative experience, such a nasty atmosphere, that I can barely make myself come here any more. I value you a great deal and want to help you out, so I will try and help you as you want. I don't want to let you down. Sincerely, Mattisse 22:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Hoysala architecture
Sorry! The article seems very difficult to me! I got tired trying to read it. It will need 5 to 7 days for me to read it. So I may wait for others' comments in FAC. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha! I empathize with your wife :) --Dwaipayan (talk) 14:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Surprise!


I =Nichalp   «Talk»=, award you this medal for getting South Indian empires on the featured chart. May you feature many more empires. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  12:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Priorities
What articles do you want me to work on first? Could you list the priorities? Thanks! Sincerely, Mattisse 14:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)