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Removing my perfectly good work
Hello, User:Doniago, i am here to tell you i retrieved the information from a book obtained from the ship, titled S.S. American Victory, by Charles M. Fuss JR. It was signed and written by the ships historian, as a former volunteer aboard her, i and everyone on the ship can confirm these things, the entire article could have so much more but you removed a sound edit, that drastically contributed to the article. you can find the information at http://www.americanvictory.org/?page_id=19. I am quite frustrated that an edit i took three hours to write was removed.

Yours,

--Luis Santos24 (talk) 17:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The information that you added is still available in the article's history, so it hasn't been lost. You are welcome to re-add it and/or undo my edit and include appropriate citations. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 17:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Doniago, Unfortunately, the book can only be bought and found aboard the ship itself in the gift shop. I am well aware that you cannot simply take my word for it. The book contains enough information to make this a possible featured article, having in-depth info about her voyages in three wars, and her genesis as a museum ship in Tampa Bay in 1999. Due to this published work not being available online, i cannot provide a citation. I hope you understand my situation.

Cheers, --Luis Santos24 (talk) 00:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Luis, if the book meets the standards laid out at WP:SOURCE then you could cite it for your information; you'd just need the information to properly include it as a reference. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 03:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for the note you left on my talk page while I was blocked. I appreciated it. BMK (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem at all! Welcome back! DonIago (talk) 19:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Wiki greetings
Long time, no see, Doniago! How's it going Doniago and how's life?! AmericanDad86 (talk) 03:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Life is as Life does, heh. I'm not really that comfortable going into my RL here I'm afraid, though I'd be open to exchanging contact information (I'm emailable). No major crises, I'm happy to say. How're you doing? And thanks for the message! DonIago (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. As to how I'm doing, I would say the same: life is life! Meh! lol! But what can you do?! Also, I completely understand about not wanting to open up about anything in a public forum like this. Actually, I think that's very wise of you actually and don't encourage it. I'll do it every now and then where I shouldn't. But I am truly unfazed by Internet trolls and delight in a good fight with them. Haha! But yea, I would love to exchange e-mail information and catch up. How do I e-mail you exactly? Believe it or not that as long as I have been using this website, I've never known of any e-mail feature. Is there any way I can share my e-mail with you privately? I don't want my personal e-mail on this website. AmericanDad86 (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:EMAIL just about covers it, but the short version is if you're viewing a user's page (or their Talk page, apparently), you may be able to email them via a link under Tools, assuming you're both set-up properly. I've gotten emails in the past, so I know I can be contacted that way. DonIago (talk) 13:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Doniago, sorry for the delayed response. Was super busy yesterday. I am going to follow your instructions and try to shoot you an e-mail here. AmericanDad86 (talk) 00:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

E-mail sent. Look forward to your reply! =) AmericanDad86 (talk) 00:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Got the email! Will reply when time permits (probably over the weekend). DonIago (talk) 12:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, DonIago! I look forward to it. =) AmericanDad86 (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:SEMA
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Thanks
Thank you for telling me. Ive got a little sister who, from time to time, will get on my computer and destroy things I've fixed. Dallas G. Spencer (talk) 19:43, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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I felt your comment about my editing of the article on the movie WarGames was both condescending and rude.
 * First, the statement to me about the item sounded like a warning to a child. You don't have to treat me like a three-year-old, I've been editing on Wikipedia for nine years and have in excess of 5,000 edits, which if you had even glanced at my user page you would have noticed the infoboxes where I point this out. I am fairly well aware of what the rules are.
 * Second, common courtesy would have been to "presume good faith" and ask for a reference if you thought my inclusion of a comment from the movie was not valid, and allowed me a reasonable opportunity to respond and correct the error.
 * Third, it can't possibly constitute "original research" because all someone has to do is watch the film and listen when Gen. Beringer hears the computer system called the "WOPR," he snorts and says, "Where's the beef?" which is a clear reference to hamburgers.
 * Fourth, by that logic virtually every review of a movie posted here is to some extent "original research" since most movie article editors are publishing, on this website, their statement of their opinion of what the movie is about, such statement never having been published anywhere else, one of the definitions of original research stated here. Do we throw those out, too? All 2,000, 5,000, 10,000+ movie articles that contain new material not published elsewhere? As soon as someone mentions the genre, such as saying the movie is a "comedy," a "drama," or other opinions without a reference source, it seems like you'd be saying that is also original research. I don't believe referencing actual quotes from the movie constitutes original research.

I apologize if you feel my tone is a little harsh (notice I did read your statement that you tend to ignore nasty comments), but I felt you were being both condescending toward me and in affect not even granting me a minimal explanation before ripping my statement out of the article without even allowing me a reasonable opportunity to respond. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 18:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Correction, my preference page has me listed with over 14,000 edits in the 12 years I've had an account here. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't figure out whether you're genuinely interested in discussing the matter or not. Either way, if it's an obvious (and notable) reference then surely a reliable source has discussed it, so it shouldn't be too hard to produce one. DonIago (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Andre Agassi
If you look, you'll see that flags are used in the info boxes of basically every tennis player, so that appears to be an exception. Right now, Agassi is an anomaly. Tad Lincoln (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC) Tad Lincoln (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not in an ideal setting for reviewing right now, but if that's the case then feel free to reinsert with my apologies. DonIago (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Removing unsourced material
Hello there Doniago,

Please refrain from removing otherwise legitimate material just because it is unsourced or only partially sourced, and use one of the relevant section or inline templates instead. A lack of citations does not imply the material, and whatever work that has gone into it, is incorrect or invalid. François Robere (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * At the same time, editors have the right to remove unsourced material, and based on your claim that citations were readily available it seemed like it wouldn't be too much work for you to reinsert the material with an appropriate one. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, please review WP:BURDEN; the material should not be reinserted without a citation at this point. Thank you for your understanding. DonIago (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you review WP:BURDEN:

Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step. When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that there may not be a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable. If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it.
 * Or, put simply: The article is in excellent condition; the material itself is well-phrased and relevant; your removal has been contested; you did not tag the material or try to source it yourself; and you didn't even check the articles to which it refers; you choose the lazy, uncooperative and unproductive way to remove what you alone deem invalid. As I said - don't be an ass. François Robere (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Pot calling kettle, given that you're talking about sources but apparently can't be bothered to provide a single one thus far. You are, of course, welcome to reinsert the material with reliable sourcing. Which might be a better approach than bickering about the need for sources. DonIago (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This isn't about citations, but about deleting perfectly good material without doing even the slightest bit of effort to resolve whatever fault you think you found in it. Deleting content is the last, not the first, in the list of ways to deal with lack of citations. François Robere (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unjustified deletions. Thank you.
 * Was it good for you? Next time just add your sources instead of wasting everyone's time. DonIago (talk) 13:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Captain America: Civil War
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Response
How is Superman III British? The cast is American, the director and producers are American. Do you have a reliable source that says it's British? How is it that the other films are American but this one British? If you can't provide a reliable source that it's British then change it back.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 14:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Check the sourced Country parameter in the infobox, the production companies listed, and then discuss it at the Talk page if you still disagree. Thank you. DonIago (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, Superman isn't nationally identified in the lead while S2 is also identified as British, so I'm not sure where your claim that the other films are American is coming from. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 15:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that the Salkinds were Soviet Americans from sources. But if you're correct I will leave, though note that I removed the separation between super hero and film. superhero film has it's own article so I left it at that.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that. My understanding is that a film's nationality is based on the production company, so the Salkinds' nationality may not be especially relevant. But you're welcome to discuss at the article's Talk page if you'd like additional input. DonIago (talk) 19:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


 * That won't be necessary. If there's sufficient sources that I missed proving it's British, I'm OK with that.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)