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Thanks for the update about the article's creator. I still want to recreate the article. As a reader, doing my research, I felt like I learned from the commentary about the organization from various sources. I also realized after the AfD that with the sequels coming up, the RDA would come back with a vengeance. Obviously I'm crystal-balling on that point and will focus on its one appearance, but in general, it may be a good foundation. Wonder if its vengeance will be compared to the Iraq War troop surge of 2007, considering the comparisons being made! Let me know if you have any comments either way about the topic. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:36, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem Erik. I agree that unless the sequels go in an entirely unexpected direction it's likely RDA will get more coverage, though I'm not certain how much of that will constitute significant real-world discussion.
 * In general I'd be happy to help, but the sad reality is that my RL priorities have realigned such that I don't generally have time for more than fairly gnomeish edits here. Still, if there's anything you think I can do to assist, please let me know. I don't know whether I would have started the ball rolling on the AfD, but the article in its initial condition (especially when I saw the sources that had been used) really did need serious work, and I had sincere doubts that anyone had discussed RDA in the kind of detail that would merit a standalone article. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 13:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying! No worries, I understand being busy. My user page has a graveyard of pipe dreams. There's so much that can be done, and so little time. Maybe someday, there will be a movie-loving AI that can fill out all these articles. :) Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:20, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * (gasp) But then what will happen to all of the truly fascinating and supremely important...ahem, discussions...we get into at WT:FILM? :p DonIago (talk) 16:30, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hopefully by then, fleshbag editors can determine a consensus to update WP:TALK to accept general discussion on WikiProject talk pages, then we can talk about watching movies! :-P And I definitely wouldn't miss another "mixed to negative" discussion... Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 17:49, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * (eyes you narrowly) That sounds like moviepedia talk, mister! I never would have thought you to be such a pessimist though. I would much rather think of it as "mixed to positive". Though perhaps that's discriminatory.... "negative to positive" then, to be more inclusive? Actually, maybe I should propose we include that statement on every film article, as I'm reasonably sure every film has received negative to positive reviews. DonIago (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * LOL, "negative to positive"—can't argue with that, it rings with technical truth. :) But wait, what about List of films with a 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes? How can we claim negative reviews if they don't exist? Or vice versa? Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Clearly the time has come to create List of films with a 99.9% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, List of films with a 99.99% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, List of films with a 99.999% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and the dreaded List of films with a 0.001% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Or would categories be more appropriate? DonIago (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Why... Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:35, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You know, if they'd made me an admin then we wouldn't be having this conversation now. And if it isn't obvious for anyone who might be eavesdropping, that comment is being made with tongue very, very firmly in cheek. DonIago (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Fantastic Four, James Bond, Iron Man
When it says something is based on Iron Man or James Bond, when and when should I not italicize them, because The Avengers is italicized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 300Orrs (talk • contribs) 20:37, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Check the individual relevant articles. If the name is italicized there I'd italicize it elsewhere to be consistent. DonIago (talk) 20:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

The Sting
On that message you can gave me about The Sting and the whole stuff I was writing about it that you removed, I have to admit I'm fairly new. I tried to refer the information by linking it to the trivia of the film in IMDB, and then I tried to save the changes, but they don't work. Is it because I am an anonymous user or something? You can find the information at the IMDB trivia of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:FB7C:6E01:E0B4:5137:28A3:D85C (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * My first suggestion would be that you be very careful about adding trivia to articles; in general, it's best if the information can be added into more specific sections of an article rather than just being categorized as "Trivia" or such. Additionally, please note that especially for information like this, as discussed at WP:RS/IMDb, IMDb is not considered a reliable source and shouldn't be used as a reference. Hope this helps. DonIago (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Adler question
Hi, you gave me a message about an edit concerning the voice actor Charlie Adler. You said I need to support my choices with a reliable source. But still in the page, there is the category of Jewish American male actors on the page. Shouldn't that put him on the list of American Jews? If it truly is necessary to cite sources, then how do I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:FB7C:6E01:E0B4:5137:28A3:D85C (talk) 17:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Charlie Adler shouldn't be in the category of Jewish American male actors if nothing in the article can be used to verify that. The article text supports the categories the article is placed in, not vice-versa. I'll make any appropriate changes shortly. Information on how to cite sources can be found at WP:CITE. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 18:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

unpopular suggestion re: lists of Star Trek characters
Once upon a time you started a thread (at Talk:List of Star Trek characters (G–M)) about paring down Star Trek character lists to only those that had references in third-party reliable sources. After the discussion petered out with a small consensus to go forward, did you ever start working on paring down such lists? I ask because I'm trying to do the same right now and don't want to duplicate your work. I've created a draft of User:fourthords/List of recurring Star Trek characters, and am working on fleshing out Guinan's entry, but would hate to duplicate any work you already started on the process. —  fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  02:30, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't say that I ever went much further with it, unfortunately. Please don't worry about duplicating any of my efforts! DonIago (talk) 02:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! —   fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  03:13, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I will wait to see what you propose to substitute for the existing articles/lists, but candidly, I don't see why you would think it is worthwhile to spend a lot of time removing undisputedly accurate information from the character lists. We are not talking about giving each minor character his or her own article, but what is the problem of having a central list of the various characters that appeared in such an iconic series? I can think of many other, more valuable ways to contribute to the content on this topic. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As I put forth in the 2013 discussion, I propose a list of recurring Star Trek characters that includes characters that (a) appeared in more than one episode/film, (b) have reliable, third-party sources discussing them, and (c) don't have enough sources to be broken out into their own article. I find it worthwhile of my time to depopulate the ridiculously extensive character lists because they mostly consist of plot, plot that is already covered in the appropriate episode or film article.  Furthermore, the Trek WikiProject discussants at the time concurred with DonIago saying,"In accordance with WP:IPC and WP:LSC I'm forced to ask the question of what the criteria for inclusion are for this article and related ones. I don't believe it's appropriate to include every character who's ever appeared in a Star Trek work, and would consequently suggest limiting these articles to those characters who have attracted notice from third-party sources, but am open to suggestions."If you think that this shouldn't be done, we can reinitiate a discussion at WT:TREK; though there hasn't been a lot of activity there recently, I would be happy to notify those original discussants if you want their fresh look at the subject.  —   fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  05:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick and thoughtful reply. I see the value of creating a list of recurring characters as defined by criteria such as those you mention. But I don't see why that needs to be at the expense of removing the existing list of all characters, which provides additional information whose accuracy is undisputed and is a useful resource for those interested in the series. Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I would argue that the current list falls afoul of WP:IINFO and is more appropriate for a wikia (of course, there's already Memory Alpha) than for this project. Notability is not inherited; that a character appeared in an episode of Star Trek doesn't mean they merit any significant discussion here, especially not without real-world context. DonIago (talk) 01:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Movie narration
When do I credit a movie narrator in a page. For example why would I credit Alec Baldwin in The Royal Tenenbaums but not James McAvoy in Wanted when they both narrate the story? 300Orrs (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As described in the documentation for the template, the narrator field should only be used to credit someone who does not appear in the film. DonIago (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)