User talk:Dr.K./Archive 6

Yeia sou!
Could you help me source this fact please? "It was not until the nineteenth century, however, with the birth of modern Greece, that the term 'Byzantine' came into general use in the Western world.[citation needed]Before this time Greek had been used for the Empire and its descendants within the Ottoman Empire."Thank you for your time.--Anothroskon (talk) 15:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Anothroskon. How are you? It is always very nice talking to you. Anyway, I thought this was a well-known fact. Now that you asked for a formal citation to support this however, I'll try my best to find a source for it. Hopefully it won't be be very hard to verify. Thank you for asking and take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 16:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the effort. I seem to remember reading about it somewhere but can't locate it now. I do remember reading in Peter Mckridge 2009 in the book regarding National Identity in Greece and Language that Greek historiography switched to using the term Hellenes to refer to the Romaioi of the ERE in the mid-19th century so it would be interesting to find out if the two changes happened at around the same time.--Anothroskon (talk) 20:56, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it Anothroskon. It was my pleasure. Unfortunately I could not find a citation to connect both the Byzantine term and the associated Greek term in the 19th century and the one I found was peripheral. This is one time when Google-based online sources are not good enough to cover such specialised facts. Anyway it seems the two changes happened at around the same time but I wonder if the fact as currently stated in the article may be original research which was added by someone in the past who just connected these two facts together. Dr.K. λogosπraxis  01:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Idée fixe
Thanks for the suggestion to break this up with headers. It was becoming a bit too diffuse. Brews ohare (talk) 18:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You are very kind Brews. Thank you for your nice comment. You are also very welcome. Congratulations on the job you are doing and for the additional examples you added including those in the literature section. The Don Quixote example especially was great. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis  00:45, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars
Hi Dr. K: Thanks for the accolade. I haven't had much congratulation of late, so it's a welcome event. Brews ohare (talk) 13:34, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You well deserve them Brews. I knew of course of your numerous and long-standing contributions here but what clinched the deal for me was working in that new and delightfully eclectic article of yours Idée fixe which shows that the subject range of your science articles transcends technology. The barnstars just came naturally after this realisation. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 15:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Mail
Airplaneman  ✈  23:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

oversight/revdel?
Hi Dr.K. - I've got no idea how to file an oversight or revdel. I'd be glad to learn if you can point me in the correct direction (this one I cant find in the various rules and guidelines). Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 05:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi RobertMfromLI. Xeno can actually do it, or any admin. WP:REVDEL and WP:OVERSIGHT include the mechanics of these processes. I hope this answers your question. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 05:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

cyprus and the so called TRNC
hello. since the republic of cyprus has both greek and turkish translations, its only fair to have a greek translation of the TRNC dont you think. after all greeks still live in the north —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyprus10 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dr.K. for your support in this matter. He also criticized me for reverting him the first time on the Cyprus page. — Glenn L (talk) 02:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it Glenn. It is my pleasure. It is also my turn to thank you for your well made and logical arguments. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 02:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Glenn, I thought you were one of the participants on Cyprus10's talkpage discussion. I now see you did not participate directly in a discussion with Cyprus10. Sorry for the confusion but I was involved in a few edits all over the place and I did not pay enough attention. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 02:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

About Mosques in Cyprus issue
Sir Dr.K I would like to express you my concerns over the pictures of mosques in Cyprus. I live in Cyprus and I know that this mosques don't exist in Cyprus non occupied land and belong to the so called Northern Cyprus which is actually Turkish occupied part of Cyprus which Turks invaded, killed thousands of women and children and reverted all christian churches into mosques. So if I find you also agreed I would like to clear pictures of Mosques of Cyprus because are not actually existing in this country except from Halla Sultan Mosques. Do you agree my friend?

List of patents awarded to Hendrik Wade Bode
Hi, thanks for your thoughts on merging his list of patents into the article itself. I understand that long lists of items may make the main article hard to read. I am surprised to see that presented as a problem in this case, for two reasons: First, the article on Bode himself is much longer than the list itself, so that the article would hardly be "just" the patent list. Second, you write that "it was suggested that" the list be split out into a separate article. That suggestion was made as part of peer review in 2008; you've clearly done significant work on the main article since. The fact that someone suggested it two years ago doesn't necessarily (IMHO) mean that this has to stay as a separate list.

In any case, it seemed odd to see an article that was simply a list of information culled from a longer article, when that list is a closed set and there are no other "List of Patents of ..." articles. If the original reason for it being split out continues, then the discussion is indeed over - and yes, it's proper to discuss such a disagreement instead of just reverting it. Jaeger5432 | Talk 23:55, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, this is why I started the discussion on the talkpage. If you still disagree with the original assessment please feel free to revert me and let the merge tag stand until a new consensus is reached. IMO the original reasons for splitting are still valid because this table is still large enough to seriously disrupt the continuity of the article, but that's just my opinion. Dr.K. λogosπraxis  00:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Aristotle Onassis image
Regarding your removal of Aristotle Onassis' image from the infobox, could you specify where WP:Fair use policy disallows fair use images from infoboxes? I've seen them used in biography infoboxes (I'm sure cover art is a different story) before and I wasn't aware of any problem. Cheers, -M.Nelson (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't quote the relevant policy section but it is something that happened to me in the past when I put a picture in an infobox and a local FUR expert reverted me after some time, although I don't recall the exact details. If you think that there is no policy disallowing this please go ahead and revert me. Thank you for letting me know. I appreciate it. Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:32, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: September 2010
I'm sorry, but I actually edited the Wikipediholism test which is considered humourous and added to it. I am permitted to edit this page. 115.128.41.26 (talk) 05:57, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Your edit: You hacked this page. was meant to be a jocular reference reflecting a high score. Sorry, I thought you were actually mentioning a hack of the page itself. I will revert my edits. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 06:06, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

German and Austrian Sports Badges
Hi, I wanted to thank you for your edits and your efforts for improving the articles about the German and Austrian Sports Badges. I've been working on those articles for a while and it's nice to see someone helping me out on those.

Thank you! --Der rikkk (talk) 13:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your kind comments but I don't recall if or when I made these contributions. Are you sure it was me? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 14:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * You are very welcome Count. Thank you in turn for the nice gesture. Thankfully the whole incident was quickly resolved (with almost no drama at all, believe it or not) due to the openness and integrity of the blocking admin. Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 15:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

question
I was looking at anti vandalism tools that don't require rollback, an I found this one this one, do you know how that tool works. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 19:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * - I think you're asking for an opinion on the tool, as the process is explained at what you linked above, STiki. I personally have never used it (and don't plan to), but take a look at Wikipedia talk:STiki and User_talk:HJ_Mitchell/Archive_30 for recent opinions/questions. For another non-rollback required tool, take a look at WP:LUPIN (I've used it (still do on occasion), and it's not bad). Hope this helps, Airplaneman   ✈  21:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What a great and complete analysis/reply. I really could not have given a better reply myself. Indeed this is a better reply than I could have provided. I guess having such knowledgeable and distinguished talk page stalkers visitors is a real blessing. Please feel right at home. Thank you very much Airplaneman. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

question
Is this a WP:CHILD case. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct. You should report this. Thanks for asking. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:26, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Would I do that at ANI or AIV? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ANI. AIV is for vandalism and this case is not vandalism. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone already deleted it. No need to report. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought (regarding ANI), the page is not coming up as deleted. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? See the link you provided for me? If you click it it's no longer active. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that if you click on the link there is no deletion reason I don't know why it would be hidden in this case. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:12, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. It must have been oversighted so it does not appear at the normal deletion logs. It can be accessed at Special:Oversight but only by oversighters. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On the topic of oversight, there was a comment on my talk page that was oversighted.....why? -- Inka <sup style="color:black;">888 <sup style="color:#228b22;">Come yell at me! 23:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Editing while logged out reveals your IP. The revision deletion deletes the IP. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Cyrus Cylinder
Dear Dr. K., Thank you for your message, I have already left the reason for the deletion. Please refer to the Edit Summary once again. Regards. Armaiti (talk) 05:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I know how to read edit summaries as well as anyone. I am afraid that no edit summary can justify your blanking of a whole paragraph including the citation in the article without you providing an alternative citation to support your assertions. What you did is called WP:OR at best. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 05:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Question
Good catch on that Notorious B.I.G. article. How is it that you are alerted on certain articles when a change is made? I have to actually come to Wiki to check. Is there a feature where I can be emailed if this happens? Darius Sinclair™ 06:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darius Sinclair (talk • contribs)


 * Thank you. Actually you can click on the star symbol which appears to the right of the "edit" indicator in any article. This makes the article visible on your watchlist every time there is a new edit to that article. To check just click on the "watchlist" link at the top of the page. If you have any more questions please let me know. Best regards. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 07:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Huggle
On October 18th, inka 888 will have access to Huggle. Due to my recent trouble with Igloo, I am thinking about giving Inka relaxed restrictions. How does 5 bad reverts per week sound? Talk tome (Intelati) 01:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok by me. Inka seems to be growing into the vandal-fighter role lately. Thanks for asking. Keep up the good community work Intelati! Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks, and I will tell him. Talk tome (Intelati) 01:18, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

User talk:75.47.158.2
Hi Dr.K., just letting you know I've had to remove the WP:CSD tag on the user's talk page because talk pages aren't included in U1 as far as I know; they are kept for historical reference. Cheers, Airplaneman   ✈  04:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Airplaneman. I had given this user a warning for blanking, but after I investigated further the blanking by the IP was in good faith. Therefore I returned to their talkpage to remove the warning. Upon arriving there the IP had already placed the U1 template on their talk but with the wrong parameters. Given that there was no history to preserve I fixed the template the IP placed. By the way talk pages get deleted sometimes for various reasons. I have a few examples, one actually from today concerning a long-time user and another similar one from an IP but due to privacy concerns I will provide them to you if you really want them. Thank you for your message. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis
 * That's true. I guess it's really how we interpret the "no history to preserve" part (@ WP:DELTALK - it mentions MfD as a way to delete talk pages if the need arises), but I don't think U1 can apply to talk pages, only copy-pasted talk page archives. I'm curious: was the talk page of a long-time user deleted via U1 or MfD? I can understand the deletion of the IP's talk page due to privacy concerns. Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  23:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Airplaneman. It was U1. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis  01:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Demographics of North Cyprus
Could you please look at the []. Thanks, Nestera (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Please look at: [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nestera (talk • contribs) 17:53, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Benoît Mandelbrot
Oops - not sure what happened there! Thanks for the heads up Victor Greenstreet (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Yougomedia
Now that makes much more sense. I don't see the intent SPA, and I chose the username simply for simplicity of consolidating my usernames online to one, rather than 1000 usernames with all the forums and online services I use. I see the misconception since it is a new account with two edits in the same area, however, I can assure you I have a much broader area of interest and only happened to land on two articles requiring extra resources.

Thank you for the heads up on those resource links you provided me - WP:POPUPS, WP:ELNO and WP:SPA, great information to know for new editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yougomedia (talk • contribs) 01:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, in that case please try to broaden the scope of your edits. Thank you. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Q about personal attack
Thank you very much for the support you are explaining to me about the GFDL issue between mine and Sanlakas' pages. I have another question if that is ok, about personal attacks. I am not an expert at this subject and some of the advanced rules in Wikipedia, but I'd appreciate help about this matter because it's been happening for a while. After I had talks with User:DisneySalt about uploading fair use logos, the user still has bad attitude and false semi-daily attacks on his or her's user talk about me. It disappoints me that the user is attacking me wherever I contribute to some Philippine articles mostly on the logos by just reverts. I understand that it was partially my fault too about reverting too much and just forget about it, but I don't know what to do anymore. What makes me disgusted the most is the edits here. Is this counted as a personal attack? I don't want to talk to the user because I am too uncomfortable to talk about this over and over. I doubt this is allowed, it's untolerable bullying which upsets me. I don't know what to do at all. I apologize if this isn't your strong subject. Any simple way to act upon this? --Dude (talk) 19:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Dudejerome. Per WP:REMOVED a user is allowed to remove certain types of warnings from their talkpage. So DisneySalt was allowed under the guidelines to do so with respect to your warnings. On the other hand they should not refactor your remaining comments by adding their comments within your comments. This is not a good practice because it misleads the reader. The link you provided shows that DisneySalt replied to your comment after they modified yours. It is not good practice to modify a comment and then reply to it but their reply is not a personal attack per se. It just refers to the practice of uploading multiple files of the same subject. It does not refer to you personally but rather to the practice of uploading separate files, so it is not a personal attack. As far as uploading an image multiple times by different editors to the same filename is concerned, the practice is allowed. The upload log has all the different file versions uploaded so all uploaders get mentioned. So you get credit for whatever version you uploaded. I suggest you don't send this editor any more warnings and let this incident cool. Let me know if there are any other concerns you may have. Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 19:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, thank you for the clarification! --Dude (talk) 07:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Anytime. Take care Dude. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 12:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Help needed for checking translations
Hello again dear Doctor! I hope you are well :) Please have a look at this. We are currently in the process of compiling a worklist, but if you are willing to help, please let us know. Having done not a few myself, I know it is onerous and tedious work, but any help, even for a couple of articles, would be appreciated. Constantine   ✍  22:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kosta. I'll have a look. Always nice seeing you. Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 04:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Please restore
Regulars like David Tombe should know that deleting properly sourced content from articles is generally considered to be vandalism. So I restored the content and gave him the standard warning. Please do not remove my comments from other user's talk pages unless you are convinced that the comment was made in bad faith, which, in view of your edit summary, you apparently do not. I would appreciate it if you would undo your removal of the warning. Thanks - DVdm (talk) 22:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Giving editors with whom you are in a dispute vandalism warnings using vandalism templates is misuse of the templates and goes contrary to WP:BRD. I assumed good faith of you the first time. But now that you have restored the template I am starting to doubt. I think your tone coming here to demand undoing my reversion shows that you do not understand the gravity of your actions. Also I quote from: Rollback: Rollback should not be used to undo good-faith changes in content disputes unless an appropriate edit summary is used. Misuse of rollback may cause the feature to be revoked by any administrator. You also misused your rollback in a content dispute against a good-faith editor. I suggest you undo your rollback of Tombe's edits because they were not vandalism. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have not restored the template on the talk page. I also did not come here to demand something. I just said that I would appreciate it if you would restore my comment. I agree that I should not have rolled back the edits. I had tried an undo first but got an edit conflict through David's second edit, so I rolled back. I agree that was bad judgment of my part. I will undo my revert and then undo David's first edit. Good call. DVdm (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Obviously you are a very civil interlocutor and I respect that. I will strike my comments above about you making demands and restoring templates. Thank you and good luck in the discussion. Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Conversation in Greek
Hi, I have read via google translate your exchange in Greek with the user Weatherextremes. The translation I get is very unclear but it seems to me that he is trying to insinuate manipulatory interventions from my side. Based on your "Who" and your contribs I am sure you can evaluate by yourself. I invite you to check my contribs in the Athens article (climate). I have entered precise and academically based sentences and quotations, and I have dropped sentences with "ill" (under goood faith assumption) references. I invite you also to verify my references, at least the ones that the guy has'nt yet deleted. As you can see in the discussion (if the guy has'nt removed these evidences) I have checked one by one dozens of climatic bulletins in order to assess the claim that according to NOA Athens is etcetera etcetera, and I found it to be "ill" (againg, with the best good faith assumptions; without this assumption I would say "false"). This is verifiable: anyone can do and everyone will find the same result I got. I did the same for the reference regarding Elefsina being the warmest etcetera according to HNMS and I read a 440 pages book in greek (a feasibility study for an industrial project) by google translator in order to verify if that claim is present or is made evident by the means of empirical data or climatological professional operators or scientific researcher statements, and I found the claim unsupported by the book. This is also verifiable: anyone can do and everyone will find the same result I got. I have reported the results of such checks (fail + fail, the references were wrong) and a couple of days later they were deleted. I re-entered them. Now attacks have been done to the Urban Heat Island block, totally vandalized, dropped the first research paper about (Katsoulis and Theoharatos 1985), entered original but wrong implications obtained by joining parts of sentences and inconsistent with more recent research results and explicit wordings by scientific research autors. For instance I have in my hands research papers finding +6°C urban heat island effect inside one of Athens parks, when the sentence in the Athens article is that parks are unaffected. Moreover a new reference for the claim that Thiseio and Elefsina are the warmest etcetera has been entered in the article: I. Livada, M. Santamouris, K. Niachou, N. Papanikolaou and G. Mihalakakou (2002). "Determination of places in the great Athens area where the heat island effect is observed". Theoretical and Applied Climatology Volume 71, Numbers 3-4, 219-230. I invite you to check personally if these authors really say that and if they really say or make evident by tables of empirical data that the NOA weather station of Thiseio is not affected by UHI as a recent revision says, because the two times I tested the references of that guy I found them to be false. I am searching a full text of this article but I haven't yet retrieved it and I have not access to that resource. I am personally skeptical about physics researchers advancing similar sentences; maybe professional climatologists would. I can not and I do not accuse precise people of anything, but I feel that these editings with the introduction of wrong references and deletion of good references belong to a string of events such as the repeated vandalization of the national and continental temperature records page by Maximiliano Herrera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maxcrc see discussion and history) that seems aimed to delete from the sight of the public that the +48°C recorded in Elefsina and Tatoi in 1977 is not the highest temperature recorded in Europe (it is only the WMO-members European highest), the repeated manipulatory vandalization of the Catenanuova page with the same aim, but edits and manipulations that delete referenced statements often are done by different users and IP even if a common background of claiming unsupported statements about Athens climate and deleting embarrassing rfutations of them is perceived. This does not happen only in Wikipedia but you can detect clues of a sort of opinion manipulation campaign of this kind also in several national weather forums. I do not suggest you terms to google-search, but I suggest to search also in Portuguese, Spanish and Italian, so to hear also the other bells. The main problem of this campaign both in Wikipedia and in national weather forums is that it taints what is not unrealistic, by the use of not always innocent logical biases, untrue assertions, false references, and personal attacks. The things that are said about Athens climate are often quite reasonable and would deserve to be scientifically evaluated, but they are said so improperly and so maliciously that readers get inclined to reject them because they evoke the heuristics of ad hominem. See for instance this: http://www.meteopt.com/forum/climatologia/ilha-de-calor-urbano-4816.html When the academic clues that Athens is so hot partially due to urban heat island get strong, the user advocating the pure and natural heat of Athens gets aggressive and adopts malignant insinuations about his very prepared contender. Another example is in the "Athens" article discussion, just the last entry ("Hello Borat.Do your homework mate"). Offensive nicknames, slanders, damnable insinuations, etcetera (penal code stuff), things that would figure better in a saloon than in Wikipedia. Weather forums are full of discussions like this. I am sorry to bother you with these ignoble materials. Errors in scientific argoumentation and adulterate references may not be tolerated at all and nobody would like to read about them.

By the way, when I reach the number of contribs to edit again the page (now I can't) I'll fix the Athens urban heat island block, even if it will be almost immediately vandalized again. Best regards Amending (talk) 17:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you Amending for your message and your kind comments about me. Weatherextremes didn't mention you by name but he referred to someone who keeps carrying some edits they didn't agree with. I checked our conversation in Greek with Google translate and it wasn't that bad. So you must have seen that I replied that meteorological matters don't matter to me all that much. It seems that you are in a content dispute with this editor. I suggest that you seek some sort of dispute resolution. If I can help in that respect please let me know. It appears that both you and Weatherextremes are knowledgeable and intelligent users. There is no reason under these circumstances that you could not find some sort of accommodation. Take care for now and best wishes. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 18:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dr.K and Borat.I think Borat is a tad oversensitive due to past history in meteorological forums with me.I have backed up all my edits both in Athens and Catenanuova and will also fix any unrealistic arguments about the Athenian summer climate,especially those that imply that Thiseio has a strong UHI by adoption of random overgenerilizations that apply for the rest of Athens.

While Borat accuses me of some sort of campaing or whatever I see that he tries to imply with overgeneralizations that Thiseio station in particular is heavily influenced by the UHI.The main issue here is clear.First a personal problem with me from the past and secondly and most importantly Borat has gotten himself into this mess after seeing that Athens is indeed by far the warmest area in Europe during the summer.We have witnessed his comparative climatology and my constant refutes in his Italian forum and thus he mostly dreads that Athens and SPECIFICALLY Thiseion station is not affected by the UHI!In the Athens article the references are there for anyone to see.

Lastly Dr.K i also think we need some dispute resolution over in this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenanuova.

Btw,what is wrong in telling someone to do their homework Borat?Obviously you are not well read and probably insecure about Athens earning the accolade of warmest area in Europe during the summer (which off course it is)and WeatherExtremes being right

Oh and please Borat you keep on accusing me of lying.Will you do me a favour and stop this?This is very annoying.Everything I say is totally backed up.Here I believe the rules of your Italian forum do not apply —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 11:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see here:
Deletion_review/Log/2010_November_13


 * Not quite sure what's going on there (TLDR) but I'll have a look. Thank you Mootros. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Trout
For accidentally reverting my message on my talk page you get this. ➜<span style="color:maroon; font-family:'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif;">Gƒoley Four   (GSV)  05:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I guess it is a new species. Rollback trout. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 17:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Mnmazur (talk)


 * I have the article on my watchlist but thank you anyway. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)