User talk:Durim Durimi

How can you ignore a passing of language?
You like to speak abot genes... You should open your mind a little soyou can understand that language also passes from parents to children.

I ask you again to translate these words meaning in greek. Aeigimus, Dorus, Sparta, Thesprotia, Epirus.

These translate easily in any albanian dialect so i would like them to do the same in greek.

And by erasing my point of view has proven to me that the only thing that raises you to protest is your nationalism.

Albanian socks and non-socks
We need to be careful to distinguish between different Albanian users. The guy you complained about this time, and his 83.* IPs, seems to be different from Dodona/Pirro Burri, to my mind. His English is a lot better, the ideas he pushes are slightly different (just Illyrian-Albanian continuity, not that nonsense about Pelasgians and Arvanites), and he posts from Sweden rather than from Albania. Sure, what he writes is nonsense too, but he's not a banned user as far as I can see now. Fut.Perf. ¤ 07:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Greek mentality amazes me.
Why should i be banned?

Answer this to clean your names because you are not making any effort to end this discussion.

What do you want to achive by telling people of where i live and how my english is?

How come when i discuss these issues with people in sweden my comments dont get erased?

There is much on your part of wikipedia that is "undisputed fact" that has many unsolved question marks. The origings of dorians for example.

When you try to ignore my questions by erasing them, it only gives me an incredible victory by showing incompetense. So please let others see a point of view that isnt yours. --Durim Durimi (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Epirotes
They we're also Illyrians.You must correct the Picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.125.52 (talk) 11:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They were northwest Greeks and the actual original GreeksNW greeks.Megistias (talk) 15:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Here is my message that was deleted over and over.

Yes they are illyrian, Epiri (E piri) translated into albanian means "the drunken", as in alcoholic. It may have been a land of wine cultivars or some other alcoholic beverage. The name now used for the Greek part of Epiri is Thesprotia which ironicly is albanian for bringer of sacks or bags. Thesprotia is named after a "greek" tribe which obviously identified themselves with the illyrian language.

An common argument of these affinitys with the albanian language is that comunist albania deliberatly changed the language to assimilate the history as their own. This argument lacks knowledge, the albanians that emigrated to Italy in the early stages of the Ottoman invasion still use the same language even after 500 years of separation. The 4 million albanians that resided outside of Enver Hoxhas borders speak the same language and still share the same stories even after 60 years of Albanian isolation.

Others simply dont take this affinity of languages seriously, and in my thought their protest is voiced by nationalism and racism rather than logic.

You ask me to give you sources, but it is hard to believe my claims by writing a name of an Albanian interpreteur, i can give you many phone numbers of such persons if you want to confirm them yourself. So i ask you now to please translate these words for me in Greek, and if you can give me a number of an greek interpreteur so i can confirm it.

Dorus. Aegimius. Thesprotia. Epirus. Sparta.

They all translate easily in any Albanian dialect, so i would like for them to do the same in Greek. If this is indeed Greek then i will without a doubt in my mind say that i was wrong.

If not, then please start recognizing your Albanian neighbours so we can take at least a small step towards ending our nationalism and racism.

Do this instead of deleting my message and i will think twice before judging greek mentality.

I read through your text in the illyrian discussion and your comment saying that "genes do not change" caught my eye, you are right, genes only change (as far as we know at this day) through a time costing mutation. But you are forgetting that genes get thrown away by more dominant genes, this is why i say that DNA tests are highly questionable when it comes to the people of the balkans. And it is highly improbable that any Greek, Albanian or Slav has had no assimilation process with mongols, fenicians, Semites or Africans and amongst eachother, saying otherwise means that you are ignoring the natural assimilation process "human natures blind race to reproduce".

What i am trying to make you see is that the only difference between albanians and greeks is language, religion and infrastructure. As i see your arguments (please prove me wrong) they are aiming to break any links with the Albanians and the Balkans. And as many others you are totally ignoring the proof of our language and saying that we originate in Asia. I live in a very multicultural part of Sweden and i grew up with every single race you can imagine from Aboriginals to Indians of South America, this has trained my eye to spot even slight defferences and similaritys of races just by looking at your body and face, the point is that when i went to Greece last summer no one looked any different than the people of my country. As i have said before, the only differences are language, religion and infrastructure.

Im speaking to you of well intent and i would love to recomend this book to you -Guns, Germs, and Steel, it will remove a lot of your romaticism of racial development but it will indeed let you understand more, and it is a very interesting book. --Durim Durimi (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

A common missunderstanding of the word Albania.
The name Albania is not understood either by albanians or by non latins, The word Albania is not used by Albanians we call our land Shqiperia, Albania is a name given in latin and has no meaning in Shqip (the albanian language) in latin it means mountanous country, Alba meaning mountain. The existanse of these tribes such as the Albanoi (noi=nome?=name?) may be some hint to a close relation with the tribes speaking latin, or maybe even the name was replaced by the romans from an original illirian name.

My point here is that the mountonuos country between the Caspian and Black sea (which is stated to be our origin) is named in latin, thus resulting it having the name Albania meaning mountonous land in latin, dont confuse Albania with Shqiperi which is Illiran for land of the eagle. Further on, the poeple of that region Armenians and descendants of mongolians have absolutely no fysical or linguistical similaritys with Shqiptar´s (Albanians)

The word Shqiptar is what modern day illirians identify themselves with. Before the rise of Gergj(ios) Kastroti(s)(Hellenised) (Skenderbeg) (Islaminised) we called ourselves Arberesh, this is based on the Albanians residing in Italy that fled from the war in the 1400´s, these people still call themselves Arberërsh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durim Durimi (talk • contribs) 20:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC) --Durim Durimi (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Dont shoot the messenger, i am only a translator.
The "greek" tribe and the ancestors of spartans, Dorians and their king Dorus, have an interesting meaning in Shqip (illiran language - albanian language) Doros or doroc is a common surname in Albania, held by people that have won blood feuds, the name also revealing a family of skilled warriors. It may also be an evolution of the albanian word Dorushëm wich means patient, may also mean duro wich means to endure (spartans were indeed known for endurance)

Dorus or i Dorës (vocally identical) means "of the hand", another meaning of this is "skilled with the hand" as in skilled with handling a sword. This sheds more light of spartans ancestorage being skilled warriors.

The Ancestor king of Dorians, Aegimi(us)(Latinised)[os][Hellenised] whos name translates into "sunrise" in Albanian. It is also a name that is still used by Albanians and as of my knowledge only by Albanians.

The Albanian word for sword Shpata sounds similar to Sparta without the r, Shpata means sword in Albanian. Sparta may also be an evolusion of the albanian word for swordsman, shpatar. Sparta may also refer to the albanian word spata wich means "didnt have", this sheds further light of the naked warriors not having clothes and living with very few acomodations. Just to make an argument against my own claim, we may have been ispired by spartans and named "sword" and "didnt have" in their honour. Wichever you chose to belive it is undoubtable that albanians are deeply rooted in the balkans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Durim Durimi (talk • contribs) 20:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC) --Durim Durimi (talk) 21:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Jumping in here a bit. You talk about Spata meaning "didnt have" while its true Spartan warriors (Homoioi) lived a very meager life I don't understand what you meant by saying they were naked warriors. They only trained naked in the agoge for a very small period of their training life to remove inhibitions about their bodies and to "harden them up" so to speak in terms of exposure to the wheather, on top of this however, they always had a cloak to wear. They never fought (to my knowledge) naked or did anything (out of the bed room) naked once they had graduated from the Agoge. Akaricloud (talk) 15:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

You seem to know more than me, i only consider myself as a translator pointing out linguistical similaritys. I used the word naked warriors because i took this this for granted since i was taught that Spartans always were naked(I havent followed up on any history courses since grade school). You sound like a unbiased person, i know that proof is needed to recognise things as facts, but still i would love to know what you think of these linguistic affinitys with the albanian language.--Durim Durimi (talk) 15:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

A New York Times article about the Souliotes. Published on February 8, 1880.
I will provide the link blow but first i want to quote the whole article.

"Brave Women.- The extraordinary courage of the Albanian women has been displayed over and over again in the history of the country: but one of the most celebrated instances was that recorded of a branch of the Albanian people represented by the Suliotes. When they were besieged by Ali Pasha in 1792, the Suliotes formed a semi-independent confederacy, comprising of 66 villages, in the districts of Margariti, Paramythia, and Janina. Up to the time of Ali Pasha they prided themselves on the regularity of the payments of their dues to the Porte. But the intrigues of the cunning old Veli, who wanted to get the whole of the spahilik of Suli into his greedy hands. Soon roused the people into rebellion, and they commenced their glorious and lengthened war against the far greater resources of the renowned Pasha. The latter, by means of the duplicity of which he was such a consumate master, had entrapped Tzavella, one of the Suliote heads of houses into his power, and then laid siege to the town of Suli. He endeavored by bribes to induce Tzavella to turn a traitor. Cunning here met his match; the crafty Suliote pretended compliance, and even left his own son, Foto, in Ali Pasha´s hands as a hostage. He returned to Suli under pretense of betraying the town. But no sooner had he arrived than he sent a letter of defiance to the pasha. Ali then assaulted te town and it was here that the heroism of the Albanian women became so conspicious. Mosko, the wife of Tzavella, and mother of Doto, showed prodigies of valor during the siege. She broke open some cartridge-boxes with a hatchet, and then loaded them on the other women, and rushing into the trenches, distributed them among the Suliotes. Ali threatened to roast alive her son Foto; but she replied she was young, and could have other children, and that she would eat a bit of the roasted flesh of her son rather than betraying her country.--Blackwood´s Magazine.

Published:February 8 1880 Copyright: The new york times."

(My english is good, but thats how they wrote in 1880)

The original article can be found in this link:

View the full article to read what i have quoted.

This is a better source than most of the other sources on wikipedia. And it is more then enough to draw the conclusions of this debate.

Vandalism is not tolerated. If you do not agree with this source then you have to discuss it´s reliability.--Durim Durimi (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Your comment
Serbian police did the only thing possible, they also saved approximately 28 Albanian civilians in the same attack. The only reason why those civilians died was the terrorist fascist organization known as "KLA" who attacked the police and then used civilians as their shields. Adem Jashari killed his own nephew who tried to surrender. Police gave a deadline trying to save civilians from this sick-minded terrorists including Adem and Hamez Jashari, dozens of civilians were saved but since terrorists didn't allow their family members to be saved they made them stay and die with them. The only side responsible are terrorists mostly the psycho Adem Jashari, who is now dead. --Forsena (talk) 13:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Give me a saource, please. And dont bother showing me serbian propaganda.--Durim Durimi (talk) 14:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If that is your response, then PATHETIC. First of all where do you see Serbian propaganda? I just told you the facts. The source is BBC itself sick minded terrorist Adem and his brother with other KLA psycho terrorist members were the only one responsible for the murder of those civilians. You sent me couple of pictures that could even be Serbian civilians. No proves, just pictures that could be from First Chechen War too. They have nothing to do with Prekaz massacre as far as I can see.

But these are clearly KLA massacres with clear proves including date, and KLA uniforms.

This is what sick minded terrorist idiots Adem Jashari, Hamez Jashari and other KLA members did until Serbian police stopped them:

http://www.kosovoliberationarmy.com/

As you can see the site includes large number of proves of ethnic cleansing of Serbs from their land, Kosovo-Metohia. These are not just pictures, they contain exact date, description, sources, victim names, locations names of the KLA terrorists etc.

In the pictures you can see what they did, they decapitated heads of innocent Serbian civilians, attacked, wounded and murdered young children even babies (in Prizren), burned Serbian villages, expelled, killed and attacked Serbs, destroyed HUNDREDS of Christian churches etc etc. --Forsena (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

You have to be kidding me. Of course it is serbian propaganda, it says it loud and clearly on the headline. "Kosovo killings: Belgrade's official version of events" I didnt find any women or children in the serbian propaganda pictures you showed me. UCK fought a clean war, get over it.--Durim Durimi (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

You can clearly see Serbian women, children and churches so stop pretending. KLA is terrorist and killed and kidnapped only civilians including 400 Albanians. KLA is a group of sick minded psycho killers who burned churches, killed innocent civilians including women and children, kidnapped and killed even their own people. I hope all of their members die the worst possible death! --Forsena (talk) 21:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)