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Hi. Interested in your thoughts on this. Peter Damian (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC).

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 * Thanks for your edits on Britten! Always nice to see another good editor in classical music. You seem pretty adept at wiki-markup, have you been editing as an IP? Anyway, welcome, and feel free to ask me any questions you might have. Mak (talk)  05:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
Hi. When you want to delete an article you have created by mistake, just add at the top of it. Bye. (Liberatore, 2006). 13:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from the Opera Project
Hi, and thanks for your note. I hope you will join the project if you are interested in opera. Re. spolier tags, we had a big discussion about them (it's in the archives) and decided to take them out. On role/voice type/first cast tables we have a model which is at Il campiello. Let me know if you have any other questions, and once again welcome to WP opera! - Kleinzach 06:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Sound recording
I just noticed your addition of a sound recording to Curlew River. Copyright is complicated, and I don't claim to understand it completely, but I have two concerns - firstly, I think the excerpt might be a bit long to be fair use, but I might be making that up. Secondly, it is unclear what specifically it is illustrating. In order for its use to be "fair use" I think you need to describe the excerpt specifically, and show how it illustrates a concept. So, for instance, you could talk about the use of the flute and how it represents the Madwoman in this instance? Note that I haven't been brave enough to upload any fair-use music :-) Also, when you have only one item, you can just use the Template:Listen (I've already changed the template). Cheers, Mak (talk)  04:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your feedback--I was a little worried about the same things. I think/hope that the length is okay because it's not a complete track (the only concrete guideline wikipedia gives), and because the quality is a lot lower than on the cd. That's my story, anyway.
 * I know I'm lazy to upload it without incorporating it into the text, but I wasn't sure the upload would work. I'll certainly type up a little paragraph about it.
 * Dybryd 05:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That sounds great, I understand your hesitation. Thanks, Mak (talk)  05:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

A Midsummer Night's Dream
Thanks a lot for all your work on this article. It was my first article and I made a whole load of newbie mistakes on it and because it's quite obscure no one was there to clean it up. You've made it look a lot better and have added some good stuff too it, so thanks. You seem to be doing a lot of Britten stuff, so keep up all the great work. Cheers, Moreschi 19:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I don't really have any qualifications, but I do want to make a project out of the Britten. There's a used copy of Peter Evans' book I've got my eye on to steal some quotes. It'd be nice to have a little musical analysis of the bigger works.
 * But this week I've been slacking! Soon!
 * Dybryd 07:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

lower-case initials
(Posted on the Engineer Bob talk page:) Hullo. Is the category you added to the CIVIL warS a joke, or is there a movement afoot to allow lower-case initials? That would be nice, since in this case the typography was a conscious choice on the part of the creator. Dybryd 05:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That category has existed for quite some time; Wikipedia recognizes that some articles should begin with a lower-case letter, but for technical reasons all must start with a capital letter. When I stumbled across this article today I added the appropriate note and category for you. Engineer Bob 05:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Albert Herring
Hi - I didn't see the discussion you refer to, but curious as to why you have deleted paragraph about Spenser? Tony 22:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Tony


 * I just don't think the friendship with Spenser is notable in terms of the work. Harry is a minor character and the role wasn't written for him the way (for example) Lucretia was written for Kathleen Ferrier or Oberon for Alfred Deller. Seemed weird to have a whole paragraph about some random kid when we don't discuss the ongoing relationship with Joan Cross or even Peter in the article.
 * You'll notice I also cut John Newton from the Curlew River page (sorry--I did give notice and wait a day for response). In that case, Newton didn't even originate the role, he was one of many boys who sang it. I left the note about David Hemmings on the Screw page, because in that case the detail did seem important to the meaning of the work.
 * Thanks for the article on the book--it's the first I've heard of it.
 * Dybryd 23:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Attractive?
Hello - me again. If you read Britten's Children, it is very clear that all the boys Britten befriended were attractive. It is, I believe, an important aspect of Britten's make up. Tony 22:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Tony
 * Well, I haven't read the new book, but I have seen photos of some of the boys he took under his wing in Humphrey Carpenter's biography. Most seemed to be quite ordinary, skinny little kids. Of course Britten was attractED, but he had his own reasons for that, and I don't think they had to do with beauty.
 * Dybryd 23:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

ps You're right about Tadzio being a Dancer. I never quite understood why Britten made the boy older i.e. 15, particularly as the original Tadzio that Thomas Mann fell for was 11/12 and yet he was older in the novella (13/14?). Death in Venice isn't one of my favourite's actually, may be because the book and Visconti's film had etched themselves into my brain. On the other hand The Turn of the Screw is brilliant and definitely adds something to Henry James' work. Tony 23:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)Tony

Matthew Stadler
By the way, I put that "film critic" into his heading, but I'm not really sure he is a "film" critic. Maybe just a critic, or a journalist, or an essayist.... at any rate, I'll let you fix that Wjhonson 00:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I would probably just say journalist. But I understand he is also a visual artist--the magazine he put out for a few years (which I never saw) was of graphic arts as well as fiction, and directed the illustrations for his first two books. That might be more significant.
 * Dybryd 00:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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"Welcoming Congregation" restructuring
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&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  01:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Does the ongoing fair-use purge actually conform to the fair-use policy?

 * I'm thinking no. The policy says:


 * "If unfree material can be transformed into free material, it should be done instead of using a "fair use" defense. [...] Neither photographs nor sound clips, however, can usually be "transformed" in this way. However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken.


 * So, must fair-use images be replaced if their subject is still alive? The policy immediately goes on to moderate this requirement:


 * "Always use a more free alternative if one is available. If you see a fair use image and know of an alternative more free equivalent, please replace it."


 * So, the policy does not require deletion of images where no free alternative is available. Replacing fair-use images with free ones is a worthy goal. Deleting fair-use images and leaving a blank is not,


 * Dybryd 05:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Sappho
If you want to introduce such content, it is going to have to come with a reliable source, as the article is otherwise fully referenced, and introducing unreferenced content compromises quality. Thank you. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 01:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Please use the proper format for the refs in the future, but do you happen to have the ISBN number for that source? That would be a great help. pschemp | talk 04:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Trisha Meili
I didn't know where else to bring this up.

User:70.23.199.239: "Thus, Meili was identified by white-owned media as the 'Central Park Jogger.'"

User:Dybryd "identification by the media - not clear that all media other than two newspapers and one radio station is 'white-owned.')"

I never made any such assumption. I was referring to a host of specific media organizations, all of which were white-owned, all of which sought to shield the victim from publicity, and which were where perhaps 95 percent of white New Yorkers (excepting those involved in, or friends or relations with people in the media, law enforcement, or politics) got their news on the case (all local TV news operations, CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox' national news operations, CNN, Fox News, New York news radio, the New York Times, Daily News, New York Post, New York Newsday and even the radical leftwing Village Voice). 70.23.199.239 22:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Are those media organizations "white-owned"? Why do you think so? I became interested in the case through Joan Didion's essay "Sentimental Journeys" which focuses on the role of race in the way the case was reported and discussed. Glancing through the essay, I see that Didion writes: "one of the problems with not naming this victim: she was in fact named all the time. [...] she was named, in the days immediately following the attack, on some local television stations."


 * I'll add the bit about the TV stations (which Didion, annoyingly, doesn't list) to the article.


 * Dybryd 23:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Creating a disambiguation page
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Re: Adam Bayliss
Re: Adam Bayliss

He is an Austrailian film producer whose films have been featured at the New York Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender Film Festival. I noticed that you contributed the article on the festival. The Bayliss article is in AfD and needs some documentation of his significance. Do you have sources which might help to persuade the AfD editors of his notability?

Thanks.

Kevin --Kevin Murray 19:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Invitation.
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ATT Poll
Did you realize you put your vote in the 3rd "neutral etc" section? Just asking Johnbod 04:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I didn't! I'm a dope! Thanks. Dybryd 20:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about
What are you talking about? I never check registered users edits. Peace:) --James, La gloria è a dio 04:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Unacceptable
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 * I am trying to make Betacommand, Durin, and now apparently you aware that you have created an atmosphere of incivility on Wikipedia. That you are blind to this makes me sad for you and sad for Wikipedia.


 * I do think that Betacommands actions are, in themselves, inappropriate. The guideline he is crusading for is redundant and unnecessary. Applying it in any way would be disruptive to Wikipedia.


 * However. His aggression and high-handedness, and the fact that he is making threats of deletion against good faith editors when the guideline he is basing his threats on doesn't even have consensus yet, and is still under discussion, mean that an obnoxious editing style greatly compounds the problem that misguided administration creates. Dybryd 19:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to hold and express your opinion, even if that opinion differs from my own and others'. But please help us keep the discourse civil!  Your post above is an excellent example of how things should be said and expressed!
 * You might also be interested in joining or monitoring the conversation here. It's one of several places this same conversation is occurring.  --ElKevbo 19:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Purposely v. purposefully
Dybryd, I just noticed your edit to WP:KETTLE ... that is really cool! I had no idea that purposely was different than purposefully (and I found a cool new website while I was at it: http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/english/]). Thanks! --Iamunknown 20:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The policy of fair use rationales
Re: this comment.

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Orson Scott Card
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 * Well, gosh. Thank you! :) Dybryd 22:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Matthew Stadler
I don't understand why you posted your edit as "TheRealMatthewStadler." Who are you? What is your interest in altering the Wikipedia posts about me and my work? I received a note from another user that you also deleted all the material I contributed regarding my novel "The Sex Offender." Please tell me who you are and why you are erasing corrections I make to the posts about my work and my novels.

Matthew Stadler —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MatthewStadler (talk • contribs).


 * As I've said on your talk page, I apologize for the flippant account name and for not making my point clearer. Creating a sockpuppet as an example was the wrong way to get the idea across -- especially since I apparently failed to get it across!


 * I hope you will continue to contribute to the Matthew Stadler article and the rest of Wikipedia, but that in future the information you add will be cited to external sources. Dybryd 00:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Pamela Rogers Turner AfD
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 * Thanks! Dybryd 04:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for keeping an eye on conversion therapy. Unfortunately I'm *swamped* with real life work at the moment and don't have time to comment/edit. I should pick up again tonight. Fireplace 15:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Your proposed new stuff looks like exactly what the article needs. I want to give it a proper read-through this weekend, but at first glance I think it'll totally bump the article up that last notch to FA level. Dybryd 01:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! Feel free to comment at Featured article candidates/Conversion therapy when you're satisfied.  Fireplace 20:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Lawrence v. Texas
Hi, I've added to my watchlist for rolling back vandalism but besides that i can ponly help on a small chunk at a time. You might pick the most problematic aspects and list those at LGBT talk for specific help on specific items. If it's dead simple stuff I'm happy to help as time allows. Benjiboi 03:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I know -- I'm being super-scattered as usual, seeing a million things to do and not doing any of them! Actually, I think the main push for the LGBT project right now ought to be getting conversion therapy up to the mark for featured status. Dybryd 03:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel your pain! Personally I have little current interest in moving article up from one to th next so I imagine there are others as well who could help on spot issues. Maybe add a task list to the talk page? Benjiboi 03:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Turner syndrome
... yep, that term is utterly bogus! Good catch indeed :) - Alis o n  ❤ 05:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

NPOV in National Labor Federation
I would like to ask you to provide more commentary on the article National Labor Federation as a disinterested party. None of the currently active editors has shown bad faith--but there are disagreements over style and content that are unlikely to be resolved with just two or three editors; the comments of an outsider with a passing interest in the article would be particularly valuable.Whosasking 18:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh man. I have a lot of sympathy for the work you're doing, but it seems like that article is a huge project in itself, and I have a lot of things I'm neglecting already. What about starting a Request for Comment? Dybryd 19:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It's been listed on RFCsoc_list since 19 September. Thanks for stopping in, though. Sometimes I think no one looks at the page at all.Whosasking 22:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Added TOC and section header
Hi, i added TOC and a section header so table of contents is at top of your talk, hope it helps if not simply delete them. Benjiboi 22:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Can we find common ground?
I do not think that Wikipedia coverage of pederastic history and theory is at odds with a responsible approach to LGBT topics, but I have a feeling you do. Care to discuss that? Haiduc 22:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not really! I of course don't think that coverage of any notable topic is off-limits, but I think your entire redefinition project is POV, and I think you know quite well that it is. However, I don't have the energy to argue about it, or to do extensive fact-checking on a subject I find depressing. So, basically, I'm not real happy, but I'm never going to do anything substantive about it, and you have little need to engage me in debate. I posted to the ANI discussion simply to make it clear that your statement on pederasty did not represent a consensus view within the LGBT project. Dybryd 20:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I make a real effort to question everything I do, and to be as objective as I can. My view is that pederasty is a neutral topic, with positive and negative aspects. It also happens to be integrated into the gay scene in Europe, where older adolescents are legally empowered to give consent to love relationships with adult partners. And it also happens to be the only real foothold homosexuality has in the domains of history, culture and philosophy, if you exclude the 20th and the 21st centuries. So I would like you to consider the possibility that you are doing a real disfavor to the LGBT sphere in Wikipedia by trying to drive a wedge between pederasty and modern androphilia (and may I say, an androphilia possessed of a queer fascination with depilated bodies and with guys calling each other "boy," and with "just legal" type porno). Anyway, I respect your wish to not engage in further debate, I will not be returning here unless you wish me to. Regards, Haiduc 02:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be very comical of me to try to drive a wedge between two imaginary categories! Dybryd 20:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Clori, Tirsi e Fileno
I see you reverted the stub. I'm curious about the logic or this. Oratorios etc are usually listed as compositions - under the scope of Classical Music, rather than the Opera project. It's not that important but it affects bot runs. -- Kleinzach 04:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I just thought the opera stub would better help the article make its way to the right editors - which I understand as the point of stub categories. The stub does say "or opera-related subject" and it's as a source of arias in the operas that the cantata is most notable.


 * It's not a big deal. "Composition" sounds okay, but again, stubs on vocal music seem more likely to receive informed attention from editors focused on opera than writers on classical music in general. Dybryd 04:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've now found another one so I've raised it as a question on the Opera Project. Many of us are active on both projects but the idea is to keep a clean division because of the bots - to avoid having to do a lot of preparatory work before doing a run. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 04:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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Please be civil
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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

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criminals
Just seen that somebody is putting up a series of articles (biography format) of Orthodox Rabbis convicted of sexual abuse. Wondered whether any consensus had emerged from your own questions a little while back about otherwise-non-notable criminals? --Paularblaster (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 21:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
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Homosexuality
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

Maybe you guys should ask for a RfC on the content changes --Nsaum75 (talk) 01:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Awesome, let's waste energy on a big fake argument.


 * Josh is an experienced editor. He knows perfectly well what the issues are with his edit, and he also knows that when new content is disputed, normal practice is to work it out on the talk page rather than simply re-add it to the article.


 * Dybryd (talk) 01:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Conversion therapy / reparative therapy
Dybryd, on the Homosexuality article recently you changed reparative therapy to conversion therapy. I consider that a mistake, and I changed it back (you wrote in the edit summary, 'changing "reparative" -> "conversion" to match conversion therapy', but this is definitely not a good reason). I'm not quite sure about NARTH, but there's no evidence Exodus International advocates any kind of therapy except reparative therapy specifically. You might want to either seek a third opinion before reverting my changes, or else suggest some sort of compromise as an alternative, because I consider the wording you used to be quite misleading. Skoojal (talk) 09:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I don't really care, but in that section, "reparative therapy" seems to be being used as a general term meaning "therapy to alter homosexual orientation" -- with no mention of the theory of reparative drives -- even though the two examples given are organizations that practice reparative therapy specifically, I think they're just used because they're prominent. So it seems to me that using "reparative" here gives the impression that it's a generic term.


 * But, I haven't really been part of this ongoing dispute -- so go with whatever the consensus has been.


 * Dybryd (talk) 15:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A note -- you say you're not sure about NARTH. I've just been to their website, and their president is Joseph Nicolosi, who does indeed describe homosexuality in the terms of reparative therapy, and that outlook is all over their website even in articles where the word "reparative" is not used. Dybryd (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not saying that the wording I used was perfect. Exactly what wording should be used can be debated. Perhaps the simplest and least controversial option would be to say that these groups advocate therapy to change sexual orientation without using either conversion or reparative. Skoojal (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The great Joan Didion
I see from your image uploads that you are apparently also a fan of Ms. Didion. I've read all of her works, and even have an autographed first edition of A Book of Common Prayer. Nice to see we have some common ground.

Best, Jeffpw (talk) 14:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know things can sometimes become heated on debates here. I just wanted to let you know that on my side, its not personal, though I may have come across as agressive, at times. I'm just suffering from general stress, though that shouldn't affect my civility. If I ever came across as bitey to you, my apologies. I hope that as our collaborative efforts on LGBT proceed, we'll come to know one another much better. You seem a solid, good-faith editor, which is a valuable asset here. By the way, my favorite Didion book is Play It As It Lays, though I am now putting myself through the painful; process of re-reading A Year Of Magical Thinking. Tough read, but well worth it, and strangely comforting to me at this stage of my life. Jeffpw (talk) 05:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion on Template:Sexual Orientation
Yes, I think that's a very good idea. Thanks for doing that, Dybryd. Queerudite (talk) 15:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Conversion therapy article
Dybryd, you recently suggested shortening the conversion therapy article by moving parts of it to the ex-gay article. Like many people, I thought that this was a good idea, but it didn't happen, perhaps because the conversion therapy article was protected. It has been unprotected now, so I think this would be a good moment to carry out your suggestion (I recently undid an edit that did the exact opposite of what you suggested, shifting even more material into that already too long article). On a related note: please archive some of the past discussions on the talk page, because that's also much too long. I'd do it myself, but I'm not quite proficient enough. Skoojal (talk) 00:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't know what the formal process for archiving talk is either.
 * I'm a pretty weak reed when it comes to following through on any actual work here on WP, but I'll have a look at the ex-gay stuff.
 * Dybryd (talk) 03:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll try and find someone who is able to do it. It would help if you would do the same; it's becoming steadily more difficult to comment there due to the length of the page, and the problems with that article are annyoing enough as it is without this additional problem. Skoojal (talk) 03:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * SCBC has been doing this again, adding massive amounts of information to an article that's already too long. Please talk to him and persuade him that this isn't a good idea. Skoojal (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Sexual orientation
I noticed you removed the autosexual and zoosexual but not the "Related articles: Paraphilia" section. I wanted to clarify whether that was your intent or not, because without zoosexuality I don't think it is clear how paraphilia relates to sexual orientation. Certainly, they both involve sexual attraction, but otherwise they seem completely disjoint. I am going to be bold and remove it, although I am little hestitant because of the recently contentious nature of the template. Queerudite (talk) 03:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I made only those changes that just about everybody had endorsed.


 * However, it's actually me who added paraphilia -- you'll see my rationale if you look over the talk page. Basically, a number of things that are asserted by their advocates to be sexual orientations are categorized by others as paraphilias -- so the two terms have sometimes been alternative ways of describing the same things.


 * But I'm not wedded to the addition at all -- especially not since after I added it, it was split off by itself into its own lonely category. The only thing I'm really set on for the template is that I think the neologisms should go.


 * What do you think about "pansexuality"? I've left it for now, although it's also a neologism, because it's one that seems to have somewhat broader use, and because like the other orientations it refers to the desired gender(s).


 * Dybryd (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:TABOO
Hi. Interested in your thoughts on this. Peter Damian (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC).


 * In general, I'm hesitant about something that suggests we need a special way of approaching articles on taboo subjects. The problem is not that different standards are needed, but simply that the ordinary standards too often fall by the wayside.


 * Of course, the POV creep in these articles is very clear, and I've appreciated your efforts to point that out in the recent pederasty discussion. But I'm not sure we need an essay that specially opposes POV creep just because it's happening on taboo sexual topics -- I think that sends the wrong message, because "taboo" is itself a POV word.


 * Just being as clear and factual and by-the-book as possible, and pointing out (again and again if necessary) subjective or biased language on the part of the advocates is, I think, the most effective way.


 * Dybryd (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There is little in there that you wouldn't find in the policy. But you have to hunt around for the relevant policy, here it is in one place.  Plus not many people are aware of the way that definitions get messed around with to achieve the creep.  We do need something. Peter Damian (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and 'taboo' is not a POV word! Peter Damian (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sexual Orientation Template
Thanks for telling me about the situation there. I support what I take to be your position, which is that listing 'zoophilia' and so forth as orientations is silly. I suggest that you might ask James Cantor for his opinion, since he seems to be interested in this sort of stuff, and is an actual scientist. Skoojal (talk) 06:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

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May I suggest archiving your talk page?
There are auto archivers as well as doing it manually. I'm happy to help if you'd like. Banj e b oi   23:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposals on Template talk:Sexual orientation
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Image copyright problem with Image:Filloux.jpg
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CfD nomination of Category:International Lesbian and Gay Association
I have nominated international lesbian and gay association for renaming to a different name. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Wikignome0529 (talk) 23:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)

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